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EMUI 5.1

Hello guys, I read somewhere (still trying to get the link) that EMUI 5.1 will soon be coming to Mate 9 with 7.1.1.
Anyone with idea if it is true?
Thanks

its true
but from everywhere ive read itll be in the second half of 2017

zayidhs said:
Hello guys, I read somewhere (still trying to get the link) that EMUI 5.1 will soon be coming to Mate 9 with 7.1.1.
Anyone with idea if it is true?
Thanks
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What's new and improved in 5.1?

aknotts415 said:
What's new and improved in 5.1?
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A lot of things including memory management, predictive touch recognition and response, cleaner, faster with smoother transitions and visuals, improved battery consumption management, probably Nougat 7.1.1 or 7.1.2 and more.

zayidhs said:
A lot of things including memory management, predictive touch recognition and response, cleaner, faster with smoother transitions and visuals, improved battery consumption management, probably Nougat 7.1.1 or 7.1.2 and more.
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Is this a fact or just speculation and wish list?

sobelixtus said:
Is this a fact or just speculation and wish list?
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There are a few people who already tested a beta version with 5.1 and reported this. I guess they are telling us the truth.

This is answer from EMUI FB:
Hi Krešimir, EMUI 5.1 will not be offered to devices that have EMUI 5.0, EMUI 4.1 or lower systems for now. Please rest assured that some of the new functions from EMUI 5.1 will be built into a debugged, featured-enhanced version of EMUI 5.0 that will be released after June 2017. Thank you for your understanding and patience. Stay tuned.

kpangercic said:
This is answer from EMUI FB:
Hi Krešimir, EMUI 5.1 will not be offered to devices that have EMUI 5.0, EMUI 4.1 or lower systems for now. Please rest assured that some of the new functions from EMUI 5.1 will be built into a debugged, featured-enhanced version of EMUI 5.0 that will be released after June 2017. Thank you for your understanding and patience. Stay tuned.
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that makes sense since everyone on 5.1 beta currently reports EMUI 5.0 in their about phone

Any idea about the build numbers on those phones?

As long as there are updates, I don't mind EMUI 5.0 ?

kleinhev said:
Any idea about the build numbers on those phones?
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I've seen Chinese betas mentioned with Mate 9 MHA-AL00C00B203-log, B205-log and B206-log.. but these are beta builds and most likely dont resemble any public release build numbers... tho going off the current available update build numbers, seem to be on par.. would assume a final build in the 200 number range would be the new EMUI 5.1 features build (and like mentioned, probably still show 5.0 in about phone).

I don't get it. P10 and Honor V9/8 Pro are on EMUI 5.1 and with the same hardware (Kirin 960 CPU/SOC, etc.) as Mate 9 , but Mate 9 which is flagship device by price and by marketing materials/adds distributed by Huawei is not getting full EMUI 5.1, but just some of the features of it and stays on EMUI 5.0.
Where's the logic in that?

why does some random number matter to you?
If it has all the same features and benefits as 5.1, why would you care if its called 5.0. 5.1 or 69.99999???

wase4711 said:
why does some random number matter to you?
If it has all the same features and benefits as 5.1, why would you care if its called 5.0. 5.1 or 69.99999???
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I don't talk about the number, I was reading that the difference is not only the number. I think that Huawei has stated that we will get SOME of the features of 5.1, not all of them.
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Huawei statement from few post's back:
"Hi Krešimir, EMUI 5.1 will not be offered to devices that have EMUI 5.0, EMUI 4.1 or lower systems for now. Please rest assured that some of the new functions from EMUI 5.1 will be built into a debugged, featured-enhanced version of EMUI 5.0 that will be released after June 2017. Thank you for your understanding and patience. Stay tuned."

we'll just have to be patient and see what shows up..

ytgbg said:
I don't get it. P10 and Honor V9/8 Pro are on EMUI 5.1 and with the same hardware (Kirin 960 CPU/SOC, etc.) as Mate 9 , but Mate 9 which is flagship device by price and by marketing materials/adds distributed by Huawei is not getting full EMUI 5.1, but just some of the features of it and stays on EMUI 5.0.
Where's the logic in that?
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Used to get the same problem with Samsung devices, the S models would come out with a specific BloatWhiz UI and then the Note model would come out a few months after with a newer BloatWhiz UI but the S models would not get an upgrade to that new UI version... rinse repeat for next years models... Same UI version would stick around, but you would get new Android version and Security patches until such time the next model of that Type would get released, then they'd normally hang you out to dry on new major android versions, but get some security patches...
From what I've read on beta stuff tho - we are getting functionality atleast, if not all of 5.1..

Leighm0 said:
Used to get the same problem with Samsung devices, the S models would come out with a specific BloatWhiz UI and then the Note model would come out a few months after with a newer BloatWhiz UI but the S models would not get an upgrade to that new UI version... rinse repeat for next years models... Same UI version would stick around, but you would get new Android version and Security patches until such time the next model of that Type would get released, then they'd normally hang you out to dry on new major android versions, but get some security patches...
From what I've read on beta stuff tho - we are getting functionality atleast, if not all of 5.1..
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There you have it. This is exactly the problem in Android world. If you buy a device from major Android manufacturer, you can be pretty sure that the support will start to slow down when new flag ship device is launched.
2 years is really the maximum support time for Android devices, except for Google Pixel / Nexus devices.
I don't like Apple or the iOS devices but I have to admit that the support in iWorld is in much better shape than in Android world.
I hope this will be addressed in Google level.
Edit. And Huawei is one of the worst manufacturer in what comes to updates. Two updates in 6 months (even security fixes) happens only for new device launched. Then the support will be gradually ramped down and good luck for getting security updates.

sobelixtus said:
There you have it. This is exactly the problem in Android world. If you buy a device from major Android manufacturer, you can be pretty sure that the support will start to slow down when new flag ship device is launched.
2 years is really the maximum support time for Android devices, except for Google Pixel / Nexus devices.
I don't like Apple or the iOS devices but I have to admit that the support in iWorld is in much better shape than in Android world.
I hope this will be addressed in Google level.
Edit. And Huawei is one of the worst manufacturer in what comes to updates. Two updates in 6 months (even security fixes) happens only for new device launched. Then the support will be gradually ramped down and good luck for getting security updates.
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Well.. it's really the manufacturer at fault and shouldn't really fall back on Google as they create the software and it's up to Samsung, Huawei, LG, etc to all support it on their devices so if they choose not to do any future updates then that's their choice.. you can't compare to iOS/Apple because their software is only built for their devices and no other manufacturers can make an iOS based device period, so to that degree you could compare it to the Nexus devices or Pixel which run the vanilla Android and get constant upgrades because that's devices that have no UI slapped on top of it and supported by Google and manufacturer hasn't got to make its own custom update with their UI etc

Leighm0 said:
Well.. it's really the manufacturer at fault and shouldn't really fall back on Google as they create the software and it's up to Samsung, Huawei, LG, etc to all support it on their devices so if they choose not to do any future updates then that's their choice.. you can't compare to iOS/Apple because their software is only built for their devices and no other manufacturers can make an iOS based device period, so to that degree you could compare it to the Nexus devices or Pixel which run the vanilla Android and get constant upgrades because that's devices that have no UI slapped on top of it and supported by Google and manufacturer hasn't got to make its own custom update with their UI etc
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True but you got me wrong
I didn't blame Google for this situation but I hoped that Google would use its muscles to solve the situation.
It is really 3rd party manufacturers fault and they should improve the situation as well.
It's also very common to compare Samsung, LG and Huawei to Apple because they are all trying to sell to same customers.
It is true that Apple is making the HW and SW and that gives a huge lead in integration and updates. However, Google is also providing monthly security updates and it is 3rd party companies responsibility to publish those security updates for their products.
This is not happening currently, or it takes ages to have the update (Huawei)
Owning Google pixel or Nexus is clear advantage, but I would like to see that other manufacturers would concentrate more to serve existing customers.
Sorry for offtopic [emoji52]

sobelixtus said:
True but you got me wrong
I didn't blame Google for this situation but I hoped that Google would use its muscles to solve the situation.
It is really 3rd party manufacturers fault and they should improve the situation as well.
It's also very common to compare Samsung, LG and Huawei to Apple because they are all trying to sell to same customers.
It is true that Apple is making the HW and SW and that gives a huge lead in integration and updates. However, Google is also providing monthly security updates and it is 3rd party companies responsibility to publish those security updates for their products.
This is not happening currently, or it takes ages to have the update (Huawei)
Owning Google pixel or Nexus is clear advantage, but I would like to see that other manufacturers would concentrate more to serve existing customers.
Sorry for offtopic [emoji52]
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Agreed 100% here.. but where I am sitting, I bought my Huawei Mate 9 Pro in Feb, and I know the device was actually out in December, but that aside, I have now managed to pull 2 OTA updates (first when I first turned on the phone at the store installed B139, second was B156 shortly after), and a 3rd is pending authentication (B181, just this weekend) - to me thats quite a few updates.. I don't recall getting 3 updates within first 3-4 months from Samsung when I had my Note 4 (I could be wrong here, but don't recall this amount of OTA from device launch... purchased it within a few weeks of release date, they stopped updating android when Note 5 landed, security updates kept coming tho). I'm more than happy with Huawei so far, and their efforts to release new updates to fix issues people are seeing - tbh I never had many issues and the ones I did have got fixed with the first 2 OTA's.
They do need to work on security fixes and Google should push them to get them out there... case in point - my Samsung Note Pro 12.2 has not had an update in months, and is still on Android 5.1.1, and of course Samsung will not even bother with any new builds, and probably won't get a security update for another 3 months... it's very disappointing that I spent over $1k on a tablet, which will not "officially" run Nougat, tho it probably doesnt need it the device runs perfectly fine as it is - tho we always want the latest and greatest..

how is vivo's history with software support?

How's software support from the company itself? Will we get software update for security patches at least for the next 2 years?
Is their OS smooth?

still_living said:
How's software support from the company itself? Will we get software update for security patches at least for the next 2 years?
Is their OS smooth?
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I have an old Vivo V3 and still got updates of even 16mb. And the OS still feels like it is new, no lags or issues yet.

This is my 1st experience with VIVO, i bought the Nex 3 and I'm so happy witht the device.
My concern is the limited information available about this brand on the internet, hence i appreciate if VIVO users can respond about the same

wassim79 said:
This is my 1st experience with VIVO, i bought the Nex 3 and I'm so happy witht the device.
My concern is the limited information available about this brand on the internet, hence i appreciate if VIVO users can respond about the same
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What do you need to know?

they push less update as soon as they released a new flagship.?*

Asus and Zenfone 6 commitment to future Android versions

I've read online that the Zenfone 6 will get Android Q and R. Can anyone point me at anything official from Asus to verify this?

fingery said:
I've read online that the Zenfone 6 will get Android Q and R. Can anyone point me at anything official from Asus to verify this?
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Watch the announcement event on YouTube. Should be in there. However it's not uncommon for promises of updates to be broken. Just saying since you seem to be looking for some kind of official confirmation instead of all the media coverage relaying what Asus has said on the matter.

fingery said:
I've read online that the Zenfone 6 will get Android Q and R. Can anyone point me at anything official from Asus to verify this?
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Here you go:
https://youtu.be/VBk8c1oHUcA?t=3468

Trixanity said:
However it's not uncommon for promises of updates to be broken.
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Quoting this for emphasis. Manufacturers have been lying about updates for years.

Any manufacturers promise of long-term support needs to be taken with a tablespoon of salt. They make money selling phones.....they get squat for pushing updates to those phones....In a while they'll get bankrupt unless they sell more. Simple market dynamics 101.

Quite frankly...I believe that the version of Android that was built into the phone is usually the best. Maybe not the best version of Android per-se...but the best for the hardware. So many times I read about people who beg for a new version for their phones only to complain later that the update sucks, and is full of bugs. So I can appreciate if they push Q but as for R...welllllll, that may be just a little too much.

jaseman said:
Quite frankly...I believe that the version of Android that was built into the phone is usually the best. Maybe not the best version of Android per-se...but the best for the hardware.
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That's very true for fat custom skins which deeply changes stock Android look and feel as well as adds new features. Like Samsung' former TouchWiz.
OT: I am using for nearly two years Xiaomi Mi A1 with Android One. It started with Android Nougat 7.1.2, then we were updated to Oreo 8.0, 8.1 and for half an year we have Pie 9. With every Android major version and with every monthly security update the phone is better and better, they steadily eliminate bugs and even add new features which were missing at start (like FM radio app, VoLTE support, etc). I am very happy with it. But despite this there are always users who are not satisfied for example because they have not done their homework about Mi A1 and they say that slim stock Android is worse for them than fat MIUI.

US SHT-W09 (C567) - E-Mail from Huawei Support (Updated July 13th)

I decided to contact Huawei Support to find out what's happening with the MediaPad M5 [US Version - SHT W09 (C567)] upgrade to EMUI 9.0, since it's been perpetually stuck on 8.0.0.196 for many months with seemingly no official way to upgrade. I will say that they do have a very good support team that was quite helpful. Below is the e-mail response that I received.
"This email is to follow-up your inquiry about an update for the MediaPad M5. We would like to draw to your attention that currently, we do not have any information about this update coming to your device. However, please do not be disheartened, we recommend you to stay tuned to our social networks as we will continue publishing relevant information about further updates in there."
Well, many of us users of the SHT W09 (C567)] feel really completely left out by Huawei. I truly hope that I'll see an upgrade to at least EMUI 9.0 for my MediaPad M5, however I may never buy another Huawei device in the future even though they make fantastic devices.
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I got a further bit of information by contacting Huawei via The Twitters:
"Based on the information you kindly provided us, we could verify that your MediaPad M5 is up to date with the last upgrade available. You can be sure that we are working to provide with the best user experience to our customers. That's why we invite you to stay tuned to our official sites, where you can find more news regarding the next updates for your device model."
Based on that response I'm trying to prepare mentally for not getting an update.
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I was quite surprised this morning to see an update notification. All it did was bring the M5 up to July's patch level. Still EMUI 8 with 8.0.0.198 so a minor jump. Still not sure why we can't have at minimum EMUI 9.

I have the same issue with my CMR-AL09, stuck also on 8.0.0.196 (C432) ,
never again huawei ,

The odd thing is there are some users who have gotten 9.0. my only guess is the US ban stopped the rollout hopefully now that it's lifted the rollout will ramp back up.

MoRican said:
The odd thing is there are some users who have gotten 9.0. my only guess is the US ban stopped the rollout hopefully now that it's lifted the rollout will ramp back up.
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The ban hasn't officially been lifted. Either way, Google had a 3 month licence to continue trading with Huawei until end of August iirc.

I have the CMR-W09 (C567) version and I have not got Pie yet. But I am not really that upset. Yes I would like to have Pie, but I can live without it. I bought this tablet knowing that it would upgrade to Pie at some point. If I get Pie or not it is still better than having a Samsung.

I'm in the market for a one-hand tablet (less than 5" width). Are Huawei tablets in the bad books with Google Android, in a wider USA-China context ? I am in Australia, so there is no official ban (yet) on Huawei products, but Huawei was prevented from bidding for a 5G network.
Mediapad M5 seems top, but I'm likely to settle for an M3 8.0 Lite, if it has reasonable chances of being supported by Google Android.

Huawei largely abandoned the US market when political bullying from Trump forced AT&T and Best Buy to drop plans to sell the Mate 10. That phone ended up being dumped at places like Sears, K-Mart and Walmart at steep discounts. The US model Mate 10 received none of the updates that were pushed to all of the non-US models.
Since the political climate has only gotten much worse since the Mate 10 fiasco Huawei doesn't consider the United States a viable market so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for updates.
If software updates are essential to you then you are probably better off getting one of the new Samsung tablets running Android Pie.

Thanks, I'm less concerned about Android updates. But I don't want to end up with a device which has no access (or limited access) to Google Playstore. For example, I'd like to install Microsoft Office 365 which my employer gives us to read company emails. It works great on my Huawei Mate 9.

am-imate said:
I got a further bit of information by contacting Huawei via The Twitters:
"Based on the information you kindly provided us, we could verify that your MediaPad M5 is up to date with the last upgrade available. You can be sure that we are working to provide with the best user experience to our customers. That's why we invite you to stay tuned to our official sites, where you can find more news regarding the next updates for your device model."
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Based on their response I'm trying to prepare mentally for not getting an update.

I know this is a sore point but I'm looking for a new 8" tablet and i want to upgrade from my Z3 compact that has been on Android 6 for a while. Assuming the US Wifi model never gets updated what do people think about their Mediapad devices? Are you still happy with it? It is still worth getting for a 'high' performing media consumption tablet?

HighTowerDV said:
I know this is a sore point but I'm looking for a new 8" tablet and i want to upgrade from my Z3 compact that has been on Android 6 for a while. Assuming the US Wifi model never gets updated what do people think about their Mediapad devices? Are you still happy with it? It is still worth getting for a 'high' performing media consumption tablet?
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Overall it's a great tablet, no real complaints besides the lack of attention to updates on the US WiFi model.

My 10 just received 8.0.0.198 update in the US. That's a decent sign, my hope it's security update/OS prep for the move to 9.0 or 9.1.

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My 10 just received 8.0.0.198 update in the US. That's a decent sign, my hope it's security update/OS prep for the move to 9.0 or 9.1.
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Are you able to download and install? Mine just says download failed

shuvabrata said:
Are you able to download and install? Mine just says download failed
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I had no issues, it had already downloaded via wifi so all I had to do was hit install, it completed with no issues.

MoRican said:
My 10 just received 8.0.0.198 update in the US. That's a decent sign, my hope it's security update/OS prep for the move to 9.0 or 9.1.
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I got that update today as well but that only adds up to two updates I have received since this tablet was launched. After Huawei abandoned the US Mate 10P it only received some security patch updates which Huawei support told me actually came from Google. It never received any OS bug fixes or feature updates from Huawei. According to the changelog there's nothing in this update other than the July security patch.

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Every day I look for information on sht-w09 567 update and see virtually nothing. I thought that someone would know something. Pretty frustrating that Android 10 beta testing is happening and Huawei gives zero information on 9 update for our tablet.

cburd said:
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Every day I look for information on sht-w09 567 update and see virtually nothing. I thought that someone would know something. Pretty frustrating that Android 10 beta testing is happening and Huawei gives zero information on 9 update for our tablet.
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I am wondering what you are complaining about. There is a company forced to stop (almost) all of their business in the US. How can they (and why even should they) provide updates / introduce new devices? Probably it's the wrong people you are complaining about ...

Huawei has stated that the tablet would get Android 9 update. I think it's been done in every other region. Despite the government pissing contest, how hard would it be for Huawei to release the update for USA? That is my complaint.

@cburd business is halted in US. full stop. Providing a software update is doing business ... in addition something may go wrong during the update -> they need to provide services / a place where you can complain / ... what would you say if your device is updated but (for what ever reason) doesn't work any longer and there is no support you can contact / you can speak to?

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@cburd business is halted in US. full stop. Providing a software update is doing business ... in addition something may go wrong during the update -> they need to provide services / a place where you can complain / ... what would you say if your device is updated but (for what ever reason) doesn't work any longer and there is no support you can contact / you can speak to?
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I thought they were given a 3 month reprieve or even an exception/waiver to consumer type devices?

Software Update quality

Hi guys,
i know Oneplus gives us three year of support.
I'm considerung to buy a OnePlus 7 Pro because my current sony smartphone haven't a good update Situation atm.
But i take care that i get fast Android Security Patches so i want to ask how OnePlus stands regarding this topic.
Do they offer the monthly security patches for every month and make them almost available at the same time as Google publish them?
Whats your experiences?

Almost available is the key word...it usually lands within weeks of Google's publish date...But why would you buy a OP7Pro now when it's already outdated by OP7TPro?

Just don't go for a 5G device currently would be my advice. Currently no sign of android 10, beta programme or even any communication from OnePlus about this update. You'd have thought they hadn't even produced the device the way they are ignoring owners.

Thanks at both of you.
No worry a 5g phone isn't a option für me because 5g is still in a very early state and LTE is more than enough for me.
The reason why i consider the OnePlus 7 pro over the t version are the many custom roms for that device. And they are mostly GApps free.
Personally i avoid the usage of every rom with preinstalled Google Apps and Services because of privacy reasons.