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Hi,
I want to buy a P20, however I'm curios if the main camera has OIS. Gsmarena says it does, however other sites don't mention anything.
So, does it or does it not ?
Thanks !
i doubt that. in movies mode there is only EIS.
g_oral said:
i doubt that. in movies mode there is only EIS.
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False. 1080 30fps and all still photos are optically stabilized.
1080 60fps has Electronic Stabilization. 4k has none.
zgomot said:
False. 1080 30fps and all still photos are optically stabilized.
1080 60fps has Electronic Stabilization. 4k has none.
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go to 1080p 30fps (stabilisation) mode and than change to 1080p 60fps (no stabilisation) you will se that in 30fps you see less on the screen because the phone is making crop for the EIS stabilisation. if there were an OIS the frame in 30fps and in 60fps should be the same.
g_oral said:
go to 1080p 30fps (stabilisation) mode and than change to 1080p 60fps (no stabilisation) you will se that in 30fps you see less on the screen because the phone is making crop for the EIS stabilisation. if there were an OIS the frame in 30fps and in 60fps should be the same.
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Check out any disassembly video, you will see the cameras have OIS. They physically move.
You see less of the screen because it crops from a 4:3 format in photo mode, to a 16:9 format in video.
zgomot said:
Check out any disassembly video, you will see the cameras have OIS. They physically move.
You see less of the screen because it crops from a 4:3 format in photo mode, to a 16:9 format in video.
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Ok if you have seen the module thats ok.
I'm seeing the crop change switching between the video modes.
See my post here if anyone is interested in higher resolution EIS on the p20. Works on mine at 3k resolution.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...resolution-t3776382/post76617559#post76617559
I do not think the camera has OIS, or it has OIS but it is not enabled.
Looking with a flashlight in an iphone 7 camera, I can see the lens moving to compensate for the shakiness, however looking with a flashlight in the Huawei's lens, I cannot see the camera move in any direction ... So, no OIS here
I think it has AIS which is digitally stabilised by the AI.
Strange is that the iphone 7 only uses OIS for video ... If I switch to photo, the lens stops moving ...
There is no teardown video for the P20 which shows the camera module's inner parts moving. Can anyone confirm the OIS with any evidence? I think it might be there, but not enabled for sure.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Xiaomi Mi 9 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Coming from a Mi Mix 2S I can not stress enough how great the Video quality is on this Phone. Smooth 60FPS in a 4K Video and very fast and crisp autofocus makes this camera a joy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kE1YdfFzzhJZKdLAA
The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
mulkman said:
The Mi 9 does suffer from judder in 4K 30fps which are a result of missed frames.
This has also been confirmed on dxomark review
Hopefully this can be fixed in a software update
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Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
Gokh said:
Yeah, a lot of my 4k 30 fps videos have this problem
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We need to hit up the xiaomi forum and get some confirmations on my thread.
https://en.miui.com/thread-6006991-1-1.html
Register and reply back to the thread and give a confirmation that you experience the same issue. This will make them investigate the issue
A video recorded by me from Xiaomi Store in London in 4K 30fps with stabilisation (judder / dropped frames)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYCKvPU-ir4
I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
johnnyman25 said:
I have same issue with my brand new mi9..
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For some reason the videos look worse on YouTube then on my 4K Samsung TV. This may due to the way YouTube processes those dropped frames, during its conversion process.
This needs to be fixed as its a big disappointment.
The Snapdragon 855 has more than enough power to handle 4K at 30fps with AI stabilisation but the Mi 9 lack of OIS could be the reason why it struggles during panning
The video is EXTREMELY SHAKY - EIS seems nonexistant.
- Audio is 14/20 (concert recording ok, quieter scenes a bit less nice)
EDIT:
- This is due to limitations on 4K60
- EIS is good on 4K30 - but then there are dropped frames.
I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. If you turn it off you also have a wider view.
My other phone (Mi 9 SE) the EIS is less agressive, so the crop is less perhaps due to the lesser cpu. The actual image looks better because it is sharper, detailed and has a wider view. The problem is that EIS causes judder when panning because the software is not optimized and more judder with lesser cpu. I actually prefer that they implemented the EIS on the Mi 9 with less cropping.
Strange is that I disable stabilization on both Mi 9 and Mi 9 SE but the video is still sharper and more detailed on the Mi 9 SE.
Androidzor said:
I dislike the EIS implementation of Xiaomi (so called stabilization) on the Mi 9. It crops the image and you loose sharpness over stabilization. E.
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To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
meroupow said:
To be noted that now Gcam supports EIS in 4k 30 fps and 60 fps with much less cropping.
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The stabilization is not as slider smooth as MIUI cam, though. I'd still prefer to disable EIS and have my gimbal for serious video recording.
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
AdrixStrife said:
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Actually, many of today's flagship can stabilize [email protected] including but not limited to iPhone 11 series, Samsung S20 series, even OPPO Find X2 Pro can do it as well. Xiaomi isn't left behind as Mi 10 series can do it, unfortunately as typical Xiaomi, they don't backport many features to older devices.
AdrixStrife said:
Its excellent actually thanks to the new GCAM mod by urnyx05. It supports 100Mbits 4K 60fps videos with working video stabilization!! Working video stabilization on 4k 60fps is really uncommon. Non of the flagships have it nor even iPhones support it.
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Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
clclcl said:
Hi, can you please point out which version of the GCam you're talking about? I've been looking for ways to get at least 1080p 60fps with EIS on my Mi9 but no luck so far..
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-urnyx05/
What is the difference between these two sensors IMX682 vs IMX686?
Same differences from the imx482 and imx486
The more basic sensor can't record in 4k 60fps, but thats it, same sensor, doesn't even make a differente to phones that can't record 4k 60
I always used Gcam for photography and videos because it enhances photos and stabilize videos but the most important feature for me was recording 4K videos at 60 fps, originally the MIUI cam can't record at that fps but somehow
Gor the Gcam it's possible. Today i just switched to a custom ROM wich is Corvus OS, i installed Gcam but i was surprised it can't record at 60 fps cuz it's showing error.
It's 89% something related to software a.k.a the custom rom, becs when i switch to the stock rom, the [email protected] is working perfectly.
Anyone has an idea about this, is it possible to enable 4K @60fps without switching to Stock ROM ?
Adameur said:
I always used Gcam for photography and videos because it enhances photos and stabilize videos but the most important feature for me was recording 4K videos at 60 fps, originally the MIUI cam can't record at that fps but somehow
Gor the Gcam it's possible. Today i just switched to a custom ROM wich is Corvus OS, i installed Gcam but i was surprised it can't record at 60 fps cuz it's showing error.
It's 89% something related to software a.k.a the custom rom, becs when i switch to the stock rom, the [email protected] is working perfectly.
Anyone has an idea about this, is it possible to enable 4K @60fps without switching to Stock ROM ?
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It's because of sensor, not software. IMX 682 sensor supports maximum 4K 30fps & it's slightly worse version than IMX 686 sensor which supports 4K 60fps.
That means that it's hardware issue, not software.
SkaboXD said:
It's because of sensor, not software. IMX 682 sensor supports maximum 4K 30fps & it's slightly worse version than IMX 686 sensor which supports 4K 60fps.
That means that it's hardware issue, not software.
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So how tf i was able to record at 60fps on 4K when I was on MIUI ?
And i even did a fps meter test ro check and it was between 58_59 fps
SkaboXD said:
It's because of sensor, not software. IMX 682 sensor supports maximum 4K 30fps & it's slightly worse version than IMX 686 sensor which supports 4K 60fps.
That means that it's hardware issue, not software.
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Thats weird, that was what i thought until i saw these phones specs.
Realme GT
Realme X7 Max
ZTE Axon 30
Xiaomi Mi 10T
All say they use the IMX 682 and all support 4K/60
So what is going on here? Is it the sensor? Is it the soc? Is it just marketing? Did some manage to overcome the harware limitations?
Assuming the sony specs are true. The only thing i can think of is :
a) If imx682 its capable for 1080p /120 then theoretically it could record 2k/60? and then use an upscale trick or something?
b) Using a trick in realtime or in post-process to convert 30 to 60fps with a fast soc (MEMC style)
(i don't know if or how how pixel binning can be applied in video recording so i'm leaving this out)
I have so many questions
EDIT: there is a discussion about the IMX582/586 here https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/4k-60fps-with-gcam.4265067/
psychorat said:
Thats weird, that was what i thought until i saw these phones specs.
Realme GT
Realme X7 Max
ZTE Axon 30
Xiaomi Mi 10T
All say they use the IMX 682 and all support 4K/60
So what is going on here? Is it the sensor? Is it the soc? Is it just marketing? Did some manage to overcome the harware limitations?
Assuming the sony specs are true. The only thing i can think of is :
a) If imx682 its capable for 1080p /120 then theoretically it could record 2k/60? and then use an upscale trick or something?
b) Using a trick in realtime or in post-process to convert 30 to 60fps with a fast soc (MEMC style)
(i don't know if or how how pixel binning can be applied in video recording so i'm leaving this out)
I have so many questions
EDIT: there is a discussion about the IMX582/586 here https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/4k-60fps-with-gcam.4265067/
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4K and 60 FPS works in GCam in Custom ROMs.
ArrowOS 20210601, Aspen GCam 8.1.200
Noter2017 said:
4K and 60 FPS works in GCam in Custom ROMs.
ArrowOS 20210601, Aspen GCam 8.1.200
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Have you verified with MediaInfo that it's 60fps? Because I can select that too but it still outputs 4k 30fps.
psychorat said:
Thats weird, that was what i thought until i saw these phones specs.
Realme GT
Realme X7 Max
ZTE Axon 30
Xiaomi Mi 10T
All say they use the IMX 682 and all support 4K/60
So what is going on here? Is it the sensor? Is it the soc? Is it just marketing? Did some manage to overcome the harware limitations?
Assuming the sony specs are true. The only thing i can think of is :
a) If imx682 its capable for 1080p /120 then theoretically it could record 2k/60? and then use an upscale trick or something?
b) Using a trick in realtime or in post-process to convert 30 to 60fps with a fast soc (MEMC style)
(i don't know if or how how pixel binning can be applied in video recording so i'm leaving this out)
I have so many questions
EDIT: there is a discussion about the IMX582/586 here https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/4k-60fps-with-gcam.4265067/
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In the time of the posting I thought like that, but still, POCO F3 with IMX582 can record 4k 60fps with Gcam, but it has some micro stuttering. Which also could mean that sensor is not fully capable of it. It can be the same case here.
SkaboXD said:
Have you verified with MediaInfo that it's 60fps? Because I can select that too but it still outputs 4k 30fps.
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You are absolutely right, sorry.
Recording doesn't start when I select 4K and 60 FPS
SkaboXD said:
In the time of the posting I thought like that, but still, POCO F3 with IMX582 can record 4k 60fps, but it has some micro stuttering. Which also could mean that sensor is not fully capable of it. It can be the same case here.
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So i guess it kinda works if your SOC is able to handle 4k60
psychorat said:
So i guess it kinda works if your SOC is able to handle 4k60
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S870 can handle it, so it's not because of that. Camera sensor probably misses the buffer power to deliver 100% smooth 4k 60fps. But it's better still than 30fps.
SkaboXD said:
S870 can handle it, so it's not because of that. Camera sensor probably misses the buffer power to deliver 100% smooth 4k 60fps. But it's better still than 30fps.
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Yes i mean it works with some dropped frames but you also need a SOC that can do it. I have seen that Poco X3 Pro can do it but on Poco X3 with 732G it seems a no go because of the SOC limitation.
Sorry for my bad English.
So far liking the new 7p, havent seen any crazy battery drain or anything yet.
Camera can shoot 30x pics but only 20x video... any idea why? Tried changing settings (1080p, 30fps) to no avail.
Wonder why we cant shoot HDR in 60fps either...
Can the 6p do these?
Thanks
Likely due to lack of light and/or processing power. The 7 Pro uses the telephoto lens that can do 5x and 10x with a 1:1 crop. Everything between or beyond those steps get processed with data from the main sensor and the new Super Resolution AI. Considering it can do 30x for a single frame. Mediocre 20x for 30/60fps is seems fine for video.
I am also miffed about not having HDR at 60fps especially since we can now do full zoom on FHD/UHD unlike the 6 Pro getting locked out of 60fps for UHD 4x zoom.