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I know a lot of people are using quadrant to get an idea of system performance, and I did some playing the other day so I wanted to discuss what I noticed.
On monday I went into the verizon store to use my upgrade to get a new phone. Coming from the droid incredible, I was going to stay with HTC as I love sense and I love HTC phones.
so i started installing quadrant on all the phones I was interested in, the Dinc2, thunderbolt, and charge. This store also sells att phones as well, so i installed quadrant on the HTC desire and the sansung infuse.
the HTC phones all scored almost 2x as high as the samsung phones. the thunderbolt hit 1980 or some craziness, while the DCharge and the Dinfuse got about 950.
so initially i thought "wow those are slow im getting an HTC"
but then i WATCHED the quadrant run on the phones.
when pressing start at the same time on the HTC thunderbolt and the Charge, the Thunderbolt got into the graphical part of the test about 2 seconds faster. however, when you watch the framerates on the renderings, the charge is easily 2x faster. during the "walk down the hallway" part the thunderbolt was getting 15-17fps while the charge was getting 30-40, during the "dna" rendering, the thunderbolt was again about 12-15 while the samsung was in the 30s.
so.. what did that mean? I wanted to find out. I installed several live wall papers on each phone, and yup... the samsung was able to run the live wallpapers without bogging down the UI, the same live wallpaper on the thunderbolt cause sense to skip a little when switching screens.
however, i noticed that when the samsung is downloading and installing apps, it starts to become pretty laggy until the install is over.
Overall thoughts:
i think quadrant is ONLY measuring the CPU power of the device. The thundebolt seems to have better processing ability when it comes to CPU intensive tasks, like installing programs or unzipping files, but it seems to severely lack behind in GPU rendering. While the Samsung is lagging behind in the CPU department and doing very well on the GPU end.
All in all i would say that the difference between processing power is less drastic between the 2 than the GPU performance between the 2.
I hope this helps some of you out there when trying to interpret Quadrant scores and what they actually mean.
Even with a quadrant score of nearly double the droid charge, it still struggles to run a simple live wallpaper as easily as the charge can.
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
imnuts said:
The Thunderbolt and other HTC phones use the Snapdragon processor, which is a great CPU, but not so great GPU, hence the bad frame rates. The reason that the Samsung phones bog down when installing stuff is more from the fact that Samsung created a proprietary file system based on FAT to use for everything, and the IO performance isn't so great. Voodoo Lagfix can really speed up the IO of the phone, reducing the lag you see and also bringing the Quadrant numbers up closer to that of the Thunderbolt, etc. I'm getting 1700-1800 in Quadrant on my Charge, not that the scores mean anything.
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that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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... What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol ...
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I think when they release that chipset, they should call it "Tegra2".
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that's interesting, I had been reading about the voodoolagfix but wasn't entirely sure what was going on with that.
What we need is a phone with HTCs processor and Samsungs GPU lol.
So what causes Iphone to be soo incredible smooth? I hate apple, but i have to admit that their UI is incredible smooth and damn near flawless on screen transitions and GPU rendering. It seems like almost all android phones are more powerful hardware wise, yet even the smoothest UIs out there still stutter compared to Apples UI
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Probably like you noted during the Quadrant tests, Apple's GUI takes full/more advantage of the GPU since they control both the hardware and software. There aren't multiple chipsets out there to cater, so all the programming efforts can be concentrated to just one setup.
IIRC, that's the job of Android GB/ICS. The base OS is there, now little tweaks need to be made to optimize for the various hardware. Well get there soon enough, I hope.
I have viewed a loot of benchmarks [ antutu, quadrant, neocore, an3dbenchxl..etc]
And all of those benchmarks the sensation scores are low...
Lower than LGo2X, and similar to a O/C DesireHD...
Is that Normal? THis QSD 8260 it's suposed to be a beast, and the same with the adreno 220... but i can't se the beast.... ( maybe need optimization? )
Ideas?
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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well to me, Sense is working bad... isn't fluid and now i'm with GO Launcher EX wich is more fast and fluid than sense....
Ah, with some games, sometimes lags, and i think it's sense.
we need to wait right now.
sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available
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sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available
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i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.
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I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life
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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life
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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.
i agree full root is NECESSARY for anything to be done on this fone, fre3vo reminds me the the HEN hacks for psp back in the day
as for teh htccamer.apk, good on ya! there are some issues with it, my biggest being focus on really close ups
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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.
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Temp root is just a step on the way to full root, it's not like the devs got it temp rooted and said "well ****, I'm glad we got that done, let's move on to the next phone!" I'm sure they put in a lot of hours just to get this far already and are putting in a lot more to get full root, so saying that temp root is **** is pretty ****ed up and disrespectful to all the devs that are working hard to give YOU and all the other ungrateful bastards full root.
Sorry for going off a little there, just frustrating to see people act like nothing is being done and belittling big accomplishments on the path to the final goal.
i agree, its more of a PoC/dev tool than something for average users to use, epecially for setting up androidSDK
superoneclick is nice, but you dont learn anything about how/why its working, and if you dont want to know that stuff, why would you need root in the first place?
6-8 hours battery? wow. I go from 7 am till 7 pm and have 30ish% left almost every day. I came from an EVO 4g which required battery changes twice a day sometimes. i had batteries charging everywhere. I expected the same or worse from the sensation but am proud to be wrong. I have 4 extra batteries for this and an extra charger at home and work, only needed to swap a couple of times in over a month. I wasted money on sensation batteries.. Strange how some have so many battery troubles with this phone and i have had great results with 2 sensations. 250% better than my EVO 4g. After root and custom kernels and roms i may get 2 days use out of this bad boy.. Just hope they can get the other issues straightened out (touch screen issues, which is actually working great right now) so i can really enjoy this thing!
Benchmarks are over rated and not on mobile phone and very inconsistent,my evo 3d and sentation scores the same on quadrant my highest score on shi**y qaudrant is 2450. If I totally relied on benches is wait and get a SG2, but I don't. Like others have said sense 3.0 weights heavily on CPU. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Touchwiz is a very light ui compared to sense. I'm happy with it in real world use.
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@nugzo
i get 6-8hrs more on top of my regular 8-10 hrs, but mind you i use A LOT of data on my phone, and always listening to music...
so realistically, i could get much more out of it, but considering i had the same issue with my HD2 that you had with your EVO, its a world of difference
EDIT: also, nugzo, apparently the latest OTA fixes the touchscreen and GPS problems, if they do happen to you...
Sensation - 'poor' performance
The MAIN reason why the HTC Sensation has lower benchmark scores than other phones in this class is that it has to push 33% more pixels ! It`s screen has a 960x540 resolution; the GS2 for example only pushes 800x480 pixels !
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another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind
they are low cuz its slow...
mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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the funny thing is I kept reading that the quadrant and benchmark apps were not optimized for the sensation. How you have to factor in pixel compression and other things to explain the low scores. After having the phone for almost two weeks, and playing with the Evo 3D - the phone is average to slow (for my expectation) for a dual core device. The scores are consistently low for a reason.
The benchmark apps might not be "optimized" but gx2, gs2 and evo 3d users testify to the speed of their devices. I have seen it up close too. Lag AND my phone crashed last night, unexpectedly, and the tell htc prompt came up. what the hell??
I am keeping the phone, but I am not an apologist. The sensation is lacking (to me) and I should not have to wait for root for me to feel like my phone competes with other phones in its class - speed wise.
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@razvan
another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind
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I see that you are with wind. I am planning to switch to wind when my contract expires i august. just want to know how the signal is with wind mobile compared to rogers?
Sensation only uses one core for the current benchmarks while the other run apps in the background. Use cf-bench for real duel core benchmark.
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tomeu0000 said:
i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.
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I have both the SGS2 and HTC Sensation.
One thing I know is that the CPU on the SGS2 is alot better than the QSD8260. The reason is due to different architecture Cortex A8 vs Cortex A9. Also my evidence is from Smartbenchmark2011. SGS2 scores around 3.8k and the Sensation around 2.5k which isn't bad and the screen QHD doesn't lower the benchmark for CPU.
I don't how you guys got Adreno 220 to better than Mali 400MP ?
SGX543MP4 > SGX543MP2 & Mali 400MP > Tegra & Adreno 220 & SGX540 (Although Tegra maybe abit better than both)
The reason why Adreno 220 is on per with Tegra is quadrant 2D and 3D benchmarks. The framerate on the Atrix 4G and the Sensation is about equal and they both use qHD. Which in theory means that the LG Optimus 2X framerate can be said as equal to an Adreno 220 at 800x480 resolution.
Although on Smartbenchmark2011 the Atrix scores alot higher GPU than the Adreno 220.
All these are based on my phone benchmark scores as well as other people posted on youtube to backup.
so nobody with a s-off sensation has loaded a rom on it yet and run a benchmark?
Way high. Anyone having issues is not making the right yes no questions about LGs location tracing service and the stupid McAfee bloatware install. I just owned pretty much everything with my scores. No need root.
No need disable cores.
SnapDragon 810 is fine. Users are stupid as usual.
Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.
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Antutu is scoring over what iphone 6 should too... Over 47000 something. You have to remember unless you root and tweak this phone it is a dialed down snapdragon 810. You have to bring it back to full speed to get full speed benchmarks that would match and beat a galaxy s6. For whatever reason LG did that, it definitely does make it slower out of the box than the s6 in benchmarks. But after you de-crap your unrooted version. It runs plenty fast and not laggy.
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The SD810 should be getting scores above 50,000 on Antutu and as for mopping the floors with everything the GS6 scores around 69,000. The 810 would score well over what my current benchmarks are, which is around 52,000 if there weren't heating issues.
If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.
DIY manual PLZ!!!
probaina said:
If I let the cpu cool down to 20C I can get an antutu score of 58,000. I'm going to see if I can add a copper shim and thermal compound. It really made a big difference when I did that with my old galaxy nexus.
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The problem is when you run it a second or third time you get a score that's comparable to galaxy s5 scores lol
guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.
I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.
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I'm on this board because I like to tweak with my phone. I enjoy pushing hardware and seeing what its capable of. I didn't really buy my LG Flex 2 to show off but I'm pretty sure most of us are here because we already like our phones.
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This. I love doing this stuff. Especially when a phone has such physical appeal as the Flex 2. We may have out of the box issues, but that's why we're here. To iron out those issues!
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guys, please.
You own Snapdragon 810, 64-bit TOP Qualcomm processor. It's perfect with his on-paper specs, so let's try to make him perfect in real.
The only thing matters is the UI lagging. Do you really meet your friends and say "Yo, dude, my phone took 58k points in Antutu?" No, you say "dude, it's fast" or not fast.
It's G Flex 2 - it's alredy curve, stylish and sexy. It points attention to itself. So is there a huge difference between 58k or 48k points in Antutu? Does this really matter, when you like your phone?
If you really need that points - go and buy that awkward, terribly looking SGS6.
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I love my phone... Until it gets hot, starts going unbareably slow and I have to sit there holding the power button for 30 seconds for the phone to reboot because rebooting normally would take about 5 to 10 minutes due to throttling. The phone is gorgeous but runs far from it. "We" are looking for ways to push it so it doesn't have these problem. Going with the mentality that "oh it's qualcomms best so it's amazing" mentality is ignorant. No offense but it is :/... Until issue are fixed with it the 808 and 805 run better because of speed and reliability (less lag) I am also a member of XDA to push my device and make it better. So no I'm not happy with this half baked chip until we come up with a way to fully bring out it's potential and share it with the community.
That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.
They may have throttled down the A57s to 1.5ghz. They've been doing that with them to try to fix the heat issues
In my AT&T model my A57 cores run at 2ghz but at around 40c it disables two cores and drops them to 1.55ghz.
The att version comes with 3 gigs of ram instead of 2
Yes but that shouldn't cause such a dramatic performance difference.
Of course it can. Most people talk about they can factory reset their device and it runs smooth as butter. Sounds like the phone starts to chug when it is loaded down with user data and apps with background processes.
I guess it can depending on how much stuff is running in the background. I know on my Galaxy S4 with 2GB of ram it runs smooth with cm11 android 5.1 no matter how many things are open. Although it also doesn't have the bloatware that comes with an OEM device.
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That is really odd because somehow I'm not experiencing lag. No matter how hard I push my phone it never seems to lag. I have the AT&T version of this phone. Could it be possible that somehow the AT&T version is different? From what I've been reading I haven't heard any one with the AT&T version complain about lag. Even when I try to push my phone hard I never see it go past 37C. If I run benchmarks for a long time like Antutu four times in a row the highest I've seen is 47C and even then my phone doesn't lag at all. So I'm wondering what's different on the phones with users that experiencing that much lag.
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I have EU version and I have no lag as well with v10e. Phone runs around 40C when gaming or browsing. There is some delay when multitasking, but no significant lag.
So I have read and watched a lot about the i3 5.5, probably too much. In short it's a great in almost all aspects, save from
the performance, rendering it laggy/slow/choppy at times. Is it really that bad, or is it exaggerated, or perhaps downplayed?
I'm interested in intel of day-to-day use and how the i3 5.5 handles the OS, browsing, video and gaming.
Hopefully it's more a software issue than a hardware issue, which would make sense. Hopefully the 5.1 update will be out
soon. Are the European i3 5.5's also getting the last updates, or is it only the U.S?
Hopefully these relatively small issues will be a thing of the past soon. I am planning on leaving my Z Ultra (qualcomm 800,
adreno 330) for this device and that says a lot I think of how much faith I have in it
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I have definitely experience lags here and there during day to day usage but haven't really found them annoying to the point where it is impossible to use the device.
Sure, the phone could have been fitted with a slightly more powerful GPU but overall the pros outweigh the cons. Only thing left is how commited Alcatel is with regards to software updates.
Power Users should definitely stay way. However, I have no qualms recommending this phone to anyone who is looking for big screen multimedia mobile device on a budget.
Thanks for your answer. A guy at Youtube said that after a couple of updates he received from Alcatel the phone performs much better, thus implying it is not a hardware issue, but a software one. He reported a perfectly lag free i3, with maybe once in a while a minor hiccup. Did you get any of those updates yet and if so, what is the difference in performance lag wise?
We have had only one update , that has resulted in a minor improvement in the UI response. Remember, the phone is still on 5.0.2 and that is responsible for the lag to a large extent. Plus - at the end of the day, its a 1.5 Ghz quad core with 2 GB RAM - The performance will be limited to whatever that means. If you are a power user , need a phone for an year or so, and are spending $250 for the Idol3 - you might want to see if you can score a OnePlus One 16GB for the same price. From a sheer performance perspective, it will come out ahead owing to a faster processor and more RAM . There are other drawbacks , that you should consider of course.
Thanks for your insight. The thing is that the i3 runs almost an all Vanilla Android, whereas other heavier skinned phones with the same cpu run perfectly fine, no hiccups either. Mind you, 33000 in Antutu is quite substantial and should be enough to run the i3 flawlessly. I guess you're on point by saying it's still on 5.0.2 and that is probably the main culprit. Hopefully Alcatel will tackle the issue soon, then they truly have a device they can be proud of for 100%, something the bigger brands and their "flagships" can learn from, imo. Did you see any improvement after the update?
My big issue was scroll lag that was in every browser, any page that had those menu overlays would stutter like a mofo. After the update it largely fixed it but still left stutter in ad laden pages. Once I installed Adguard my browsers became butter smooth. The Adreno 405 pushing 1080p res isn't doing well in 3D demanding games... if you need a phone for that get Zen2.
Thanks for the heads up. I just installed Adguard for the lulz on my old Samsung S3, quite nifty. I think the i3 will continue to impress and possibly get even better with coming updates.
Why on earth does your thread require I be in XDA 2015 theme to view it when none of the other threads do?
Good question. Probably because this thread is made of pure win
My guess is the idol using more of the 1ghz CPU to run a little cooler and save power, and when it is slow to switch to the 1.5ghz CPU is when we experience lag. Kind of like your using a 1ghz quad core phone. The idol has been proven to run cooler than its other 615 brothers, so it may be set to run on the slow CPU more.
It will definitely get better if they ever release 5.1.1. I'm not holding my breath.
I am already on the latest update, there is slight ( not sure if placebo ) improvement when scrolling web pages with mulitple images. Overall, I think it is fine unless you are power user.
Anymore input from users? What is your experience between before and after the update regarding to smoothness?
I found enabling gpu rendering for 2d made the phone run a lot smoother.
I was barely able to view this forum on it now I can scroll up and down and its buttery smooth (with the occasional hiccup here and there)
Changing default keyboard for Fleksy fixed all for me
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Funny, I love that keyboard. Fleksy all the way, looks really clean too!
Try clearing your cache and/or doing a factory reset. Worked for me after the update slowed me down a little
no more lag since 10 06 update, this phone is finally totally great
When was it released? Is there a changelog?
there was a changelog when i got it, it's about stagefright and stuff
Here you go
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580897933171429376
but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?
Definitely didn't buy it for gaming. The only gaming I do on my phone is maybe some brick breaker to pass time.
Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?
Blah, blah, blah, who really cares? I have the phone in hand and compared to the previous Pixel(s) I used the 7 Pro is a winner! FINALLY, Google made a good phone that does everything I need, or want, just fine! The SOC's from 5 years ago were more than enough for 99% of the population.
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Looks more efficient than Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 so what's the big deal?
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Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.
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Not sure that's anything to boast about, the 8 Gen 1 is terrible.
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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.
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Right but the G2 is also better than the 2100, 2200, and probably the OG Tensor before it (curious how that's NOT in the list because I'm sure it makes the G2 look good and we can't have that) so again, what's the gripe?
Oh, right, dude has a YouTube. Gotta get those click dollars.
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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.
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The gripe is more to do with the rubbish 4 and 5nm Samsung fabs node that has produced inefficient SOCs for the past few years. We've been short changed with Android SOCs because of this.
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Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.
EtherealRemnant said:
Again, it's outperforming others while still being demonstrably more efficient so I don't understand the gripe. Even the temps are better than anything that performed worse than it except for the chips using GOS.
I'm so sick of seeing Google get slammed for having a good product despite what they had to work with. It's not like Google can just switch fabs, their agreement with Samsung LSI covers all these components and fabrication.
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I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. Most of the Android SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.
Batfink33 said:
I'm not slamming Google, I'm slamming Samsung fabs who have produced pretty awful SOCs for the past few years. All the SOCs are performing poorly because of this so saying Tensor is outperforming them doesn't mean much because they're *all* performing below par. When we get into TSMC SOCs next year and (hopefully) the 3nm Samsung node then we'll start to see Android phones improve again.
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I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.
EtherealRemnant said:
I doubt that it's going to be as good as you think it is. It's going to be more high benchmarks and then a crash back to reality. Google seems to have actually engineered this thing for sustained performance and I don't have any complaints about the performance so far.
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Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.
Batfink33 said:
Dont know if you've seen the Geekerwan
video but it explains all about power efficiency and how it isn't about high benchmarks and how Samsung fabs have produced pretty awful SOCs in terms of this. The 8+Gen 1 has improved the power efficiency massively over the 8 Gen 1 and that's all because of the TSMC manufacturing process. FWIW, there's rumours the 3nm Samsung is looking good so hopefully things will improve there but when youve got the OnePlus 7 Pro outperforming the latest flagships(as in the video) then you can see how badly things have went in the Android world lately.
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Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.
EtherealRemnant said:
Efficiency doesn't matter to most people, performance does. If the phone gets them through a day of heavy use, they're fine with it.
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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".
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Of course efficiency matters, people like the IPhone because the battery lasts forever. It also means the phone heats less/ thermal throttles less so performance is better. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, even Qualcomm moved away from Samsung fabs because of their low yields and poor production. Surely as Android users and paying top money for these products we should be demanding the best performance and manufacturing of the parts? Like I said, when a 3 or 4 year old phone is giving better performance and battery life than a £1300 phone today (s22u for eg) then we shouldn't be saying "oh it's fine".
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Best performance and best efficiency aren't compatible. High performance parts sacrifice efficiency to get that performance. That's why a midrange phone can last days but a flagship can struggle to get through a single day.
There is no world where a 3 or 4 year old phone is actually outperforming a flagship of today unless you're talking about one that's been neutered by the manufacturer like Samsung and OnePlus do. Replace the stock ROM with a custom one and try again. Manufacturers keep nerfing performance because people whine about their phones being too warm.
simplepinoi177 said:
but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment...
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Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
Linuxkek said:
Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580618724511428609
And what you get is almost the chip from last year, which was already weak + in few weeks we will see the new Snapdragon 8 Gen2 which will smash the old one (and maybe even the A16).
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 smash the A16? Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa!! Keep dreaming.
Looks more than fast enough for me. Benchmark slags are sad f*****s. For me it's about everyday use, and if my Note 10 Plus still cuts it from that perspective, this certainly will. An extra 5 FPS on a game I'll never play means jack as far as I'm concerned.
On a side note it's good to see it is amongst the lowest for temperatures.
Linuxkek said:
Genshin Impact is the perfect game for testing GPU. I will never play this game but here you can see what you get with the Tensor G2.
Sure, you can lie to yourself and say something like "i dont need that" but the SoC is not powerful, not efficient and with the Exynos Modem you can forget about great battery life on mobile data, in late 2022.
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"here you can see what you can get with the Tensor G2"......in terms of gaming, sure.
but is that the be-all and end-all of what the potential of SoC has and can be? Can it not be used better and more efficiently in other ways better than the ones that are superior in gaming and FPS? I'm pretty sure Google's even stated that their chip is more tailored towards "A.I. powered abilities" and algorithms. And, again, I question how many people would be getting Pixel 7 Pro with gaming as their main focus and reason....
simplepinoi177 said:
but, honestly, how many people are getting the Pixel 7 Pro for gaming....?
this kinda just shows how the tensor 2 chip is for gaming environment....not a.i. or software fluidity, right?
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I couldn't care less about gaming on my phone