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Yesterday evening I successfully installed new factory image i.e. Lollipop 5.1 on my Nexus 5 D821.
Here I am mentioning my experience after using it for almost one day:
1. Overall device performance in regards of speed is same as it wan in 5.0.1
2. Some graphic changes are there with new icons.
3. New shortcuts introduced for WiFi and Bluetooth settings.
4. In camera application there is one black dot appearing in middle. I haven't tested it with any other camera application. (I will update later)
5. Battery performance is poor as of now I am using, even poorer than on previous ROM.
Does anyone want to comment or share there experience?
1. Battery Improvements, now i can usw my GWatch again, in 5.0.1 it drains the phone battery empty in about 4 Hours -.- now same percentages in phone and Watch.
it will be better if we keep the discussion in the existing 5.1 update thread..
So far the OS itself feels a lot better, but I left my phone over night, sync off WiFi on. Location off. Lost 30% in 7 hours. I had a wake lock the entire night. So my experience? After almost 48 hours of using this, its rubbish.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What I have right now out of Doze are "Bluetooth MIDI Service", "Bluetooth Share", the "Clock" app and two other Clock apps.
I am not sure how effective is the method listed below after the last update. Stay tuned.
Also I think the current version of Facebook Messenger is draining too much battery.
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when I bought my Zenfone 3 ZE520KL, I was amazed by it's battery life. I could easily get around 8 hours of SOT in a single charge with moderate usage. My device was running Android Marshmallow 6.0 out of the box, but performance wasn't as good. On Nougat, performance is much better and faster, also I used to get some lags and frozen screen, the capacitive keys also sometimes froze when I was charging my phone, but now I don't get issues like that as often as before. Interface is so much more appealing and I love it.
But what about battery life? I started getting around 5 hours of SOT.. which is still good, but not really close to 8 hours. I thought a lot about these 3 hours that were missing so I decided to start investigating. I wanted to share my findings with you so maybe you would know something that could help.
It's been two weeks since I have been testing out different things. The apps I used to do my research are:
Carat. What I love about this app is the process list. It shows exactly which apps and system processes are running in the background, so I can control them very easily.
Greenify. Thanks to the Carat app, I can see which apps continue running in the background, so I can use Greenify to hibernate them after I'm done using them. (Examples: Youtube, Snapchat etc.). Also I bought the Donation Package, and unlocked the other modes using adb commands (my device is not rooted).
BetterBatteryStats. This app is usually used to detect wakelocks. I limited the Google Calendar App from syncing so it doesn't use too much battery in the background. This app is paid in Google Play but you can get it for free from here.
What I did to get better battery life:
I excluded the services, that were always running in the process list from the Carat App from Doze. Apparently, the new Doze in Nougat gives us permission to optimize more system processes and services than before, which can backfire - Doze starts trying to kill processes that can't be killed, and this results in consuming more battery juice than saving it.
How to enter Doze settings and make the following changes:
Go to "Settings" > Select "Battery" > Tap on the three dots at the upper-right corner > Select "Battery Optimization" > Select "All Apps" > Find and tap on the Apps/Services/Processes I have listed below > Select "Do not optimize". The other apps and services should stay optimized.
The apps, processes and services that I removed from Doze are:
Android Services Library
Android System
ASUS Calling Screen
Bluetooth MIDI Service
Bluetooth Share
Camera
Clock
com.android.smspush
com.asus.keyboard
com.asus.shim
com.qti.qualcomm.datastatusnotification
com.qualcomm.qti.tetherservice
org.codeaurora.bluetooth
org.codeaurora.ims
com.qualcomm.qcrilsgtunnel
ICESound Service
Mobile Manager
MobileManagerService
System UI
Telecom Service
Telephony Service
ZenUI Keyboard
ZenUI Launcher
Some other apps that I'm using: Do It Later, Greenify, Messages, Nova Launcher, Timely, Weather.
Please do a full charge to 100% afterwards and check if the battery still drains as quickly as before. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated.
I am already starting to see improvement in my battery life. I was losing around 2% on Stand By and battery was draining fast when I was using the phone, but now I lost 0% on Stand By overnight and 10% for 1 hour of SOT (before this I was losing 10% for 30 min. of SOT). I am still trying to figure out which services exactly are causing the drain, when they are being optimized. Maybe the services, included in the Android System? (Check them from Settings > Battery > Android System > Included Packages). I deleted Facebook and Twitter apps and started using them from Chrome (almost the same thing, I quickly got used to that). Please check the updates below for more info and share your opinion or advice in the comments so we can all reach a better experience with this amazing smartphone.
Thank you for reading!
Update1: 6h30min SOT with 30% left (917mAh, 35%), but I will have to charge now. I have been messing with Doze a lot, maybe I'll get more clean results later. Progress has been made though, at least with my device.
Update2: Something interesting - my J-Score with the Carat app before and after starting this experiment: http://i.imgur.com/Q8u6HBD.jpg
Update3: There is a battery drain when making voice calls - 226mAh (7%) were lost because of 43 minutes long talk time.
Results were worse after testing with the second list removed, although there wasn't much draining with the screen on: SOT - 5h20min for 70% of battery (752mAh, 20%).
Update4: com.android.phone appears as a wakelock at BBS (Wakeups:8). Also 2h30 SOT for 30% used battery (100-70%~408 mAh). I'm updating the list and trying again.
Please note that my phone is updated to the latest firmware WW_Phone-14.2020.1703.28-20170410.
Update5: com.android.phone is still an active wakelock (Wakeups:14), but SOT is 2h34min for 30% used battery (100-70%~343mAh). At 30% battery left, SOT is almost 6hrs(28%~787mAh), Device Idle is at 10% (291mAh). The MobileManagerService is causing way too many wakelocks and is probably the reason for the high Device Idle battery usage.
Update6: MobileManagerService is no longer showing as a frequent wakelock. com.android.phone (Telephony Service - Wakeups:9) and com.google.android.apps.messaging are the most persistent wakelocks, other than that battery life is amazing at the moment. SOT is 2h45min for 30% used battery (100-70%~366mAh). I also had 27 min of talk time (4%~145mAh). At 30% left, I have 6h33min of SOT (32%~912mAh). Device Idle is again at 10% (292mAh). We are ready for the final test.
Update7: The results are quite interesting. After removing com.qti.qualcomm.telephonyservice from Doze, com.android.phone stopped appearing as a frequent wakelock at first, but now, at 70% it has 16 wakeups. SOT is 2h22min (100-70%~318mAh), so it's not better. I'm going to try a few more changes.
Update 8: I posted it as a reply here.
Update 9: I shouldn't have put Task Manager out of Doze, I get so much better battery life now. The update is ready, check it here.
Good post, thank you for investigating this, please let us know if you find more stuff or what exactly is responsible for it and an easy way of fixing.
1noob said:
Good post, thank you for investigating this, please let us know if you find more stuff or what exactly is responsible for it and an easy way of fixing.
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Hello! Thank you for your reply. I'm so happy I could help others and myself with this thread, but I also need to know if you are also seeing any difference. Please check here regularly!
Also, I'm guessing that when you put your system processes and services in Doze, you also decrease their performance, which causes battery draining, as they try to run normally and do their work. Doze is trying to prevent them from doing that. This is my conclusion, but only results will show if I'm correct. If you own yourself a Zenfone 3, please feel free to report if you experience any changes using my method.
Thank you and have a nice day!
Hi, thank you for the post. I have a zenfone 3 here and will try your method.
I'm trying it on ze520kl with marschmallow, it seems working fine. :highfive:
Do you remove the first and second list from doze ? or ate testing with only the second list now?
Nice findings btw
pedromms86 said:
Do you remove the first and second list from doze ? or ate testing with only the second list now?
Nice findings btw
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I have removed everything from both of the lists. It's still early to say but no major battery drain is noticed for now. Thanks!
bibbomio said:
I'm trying it on ze520kl with marschmallow, it seems working fine. :highfive:
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Awesome! :good:
Thank you so much for this article. Well written as well. I have applied the changes and so far no issues (it has been 6 h is). Will report once I have more history
I remove the apps from doze, and can say it really improve battery (test for one day)
thanks !
@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
New update is released via OTA (~500MB).
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@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
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Too early to say, also I got a weird wakelock, and lost 2% overnight. I lost the results (100-90%) after a restart. Now I'm going to update my phone and start again.
I had 8% used up on 43 minutes of SOT, and 2% lost on voice calls (100 and something mAh). I went to bed with 92%, I guess the other 2% were lost on that wakelock and the clock wakelock. These 2% were lost on equal intervals.
It's going to take a while, I'm just using my device normally. I don't have time to be on my phone all the time, also the battery is harder to drain now. At this point, I'm just trying to get better results.
Cheers!
pedromms86 said:
@Blackrose110 any news improvements after update3 ?
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Check again tomorrow!
RobinRo said:
New update is released via OTA (~500MB).
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Updating...
I don't think it is a good ideea to change Doze settings for system services like com.qualcomm.* or telephony*.
In theory, these services should be compatible with operating system and they should work as designed. I would focus on third-party apps who doesn't work well on Nougat.
Anyway, is just an opinion and i'm looking forward for updates
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I don't think it is a good ideea to change Doze settings for system services like com.qualcomm.* or telephony*.
In theory, these services should be compatible with operating system and they should work as designed. I would focus on third-party apps who doesn't work well on Nougat.
Anyway, is just an opinion and i'm looking forward for updates
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Hello ci6i, I also agree with you, and that's why I excluded all of them from Doze when I first tried this out. At the moment, I removed only those system services, that run in the background all the time. My goal is to find the least amount of system services and processes, that are causing battery drain when the phone is in use.
I am not saying that you should do exactly what I did. It's best if you try out yourself on your own device what works and what doesn't.
I also have only excluded from Doze apps that I use daily. But everyone is using different apps and it depends only on the developers to update them.
You can download Carat for free from Google Play and check the process list, it's very useful. The app itself doesn't use any battery.
Good luck!
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I am not saying that you should do exactly what I did. It's best if you try out yourself on your own device what works and what doesn't.
I also have only excluded from Doze apps that I use daily. But everyone is using different apps and it depends only on the developers to update them.
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I agree with you and i really appreciate your work Yesterday I've installed Carat after i read your first post and today i did new OTA update and cleared cache partition. Let's see how it works in the next few days.
What should I do next, guys? Remove other com.qualcomm/com.android/com.asus services or remove just MobileManagerService from Doze? I'm thinking about the second one, I'm curious to see if ti makes any difference. I think the results from the first test were the best, and the MobileManagerService was out of Doze as far as I remember. Might as well try and see what happens.
It's a bit hard to drain the battery these days, so updates might not be fast. Patience is key!
Yeahh final test!! Looking forward to the result
Hi,
Since i have Android Pie on my Oneplus 6 (8Go of RAM), i've noticed a very bad ram management.
Instead of a good multitask, apps close themself after a few seconds .
So when i wanna return to an app, the app restart from the beginning.
Am i the only one with that issue?
I'm on OOS 9.02, no root, locked bootloader.
Thanks
Happened to me too once, restarting the phone fixed it -_-
Restarting the phone fix it too for me , but the problem comes back a few hours later
Envoyé de mon ONEPLUS A6003 en utilisant Tapatalk
Shocked to here this on a device with 6gig ram. I to have faced this since updated my pixel 2cl and Essential to pie. My least favorite of my phones the z2force is on 8.1 and apps stay opened all the time while still having better battery life with a smaller battery than both devices on pie. Anyway I found this thread Google searching this pie ram issue.
Settings, battery, optimization, advanced optimization turn all off. Of ur still facing issues, turn off optimization for the apps you want kept awake. OOS likes heavy doze
Even with all advanced optimization OFF, some apps still got killed after a while (minutes to hours, seems random).
So far I have experienced it on AccuBattery, Adguard, and Mi Band Tools. They all have notifications running, all in battery white list, Mi Band Tools even has notification access. It seems that their services get killed, but notifications stay (quite strange).
As the title says, which one do you guys think is better? For example battery life, features, etc. I tinkered with Havoc OS the other day, but after realising half the custom Havoc settings that were in 2.9 like custom doze were not present, I reflashed 2.9. I was expecting all that was in 2.9 plus more.
Now that OOS 10.0.1 has dropped, I wanted to see what that was like, but didn't want to flash, be disappointed and then have to reflash Havoc and set up each app all over again. I've had issues restoring stable TWRP backups, so I have given up and just start from scratch each time I reflash.
What features from each stand out to you and what SOT and standby drain %/h are you getting from both?
havoc 3.0 is better because new maintainer is skulshady he trying best to provides new updates in every 1/2 week there are some less tweak for now but getting added in new updates you can wait till the base os changes to oos 10 (dont know when)
if you dont want to install app from scratch try migrate app by baltiapps
i didnt check sot & idle drain so i cant say anything about it
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havoc 3.0 is better because new maintainer is skulshady he trying best to provides new updates in every 1/2 week there are some less tweak for now but getting added in new updates you can wait till the base os changes to oos 10 (dont know when)
if you dont want to install app from scratch try migrate app by baltiapps
i didnt check sot & idle drain so i cant say anything about it
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How do you install it? I tried and it borked my phone.
Try to install 3.1 latest on 20-01-2020. Seems to be fine Rom. But OTG provision is not seen.
Does havoc os have working, smooth OOS gestures? Only thing stopping me from changing in the past was bad gestures. Main issues for me on 10.3.0 are Bluetooth connectivity, internet disconnects, and poor battery life.
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Does havoc os have working, smooth OOS gestures? Only thing stopping me from changing in the past was bad gestures. Main issues for me on 10.3.0 are Bluetooth connectivity, internet disconnects, and poor battery life.
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No oos gesture yet but full screen gestures are there currently some minor bug otg doesn't work & display profile changes after every reboot
battery working great but deep sleep is 0% switching to other kernel like blu spark fix this
Just had to switch to OOS 10.3.0 from Havoc OS due to freezing/crashing with Android Auto. Tried all the fixes on the internet, but no luck. Was going to go back to 9.0.6, but decided to try stock and it has been working fine. Too bad, as I really like Havoc with some of the AOSP touches, and the capability to separately adjust notification sounds. Can't understand why OnePlus can't add this feature.
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Just had to switch to OOS 10.3.0 from Havoc OS due to freezing/crashing with Android Auto. Tried all the fixes on the internet, but no luck. Was going to go back to 9.0.6, but decided to try stock and it has been working fine. Too bad, as I really like Havoc with some of the AOSP touches, and the capability to separately adjust notification sounds. Can't understand why OnePlus can't add this feature.
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To be honest, other ROMs do have these options, you could try something else
Let's talk about bug's on the stock MIUI 12 Rom for the Poco F2 Pro (not xiaomi.eu).
First of all app permissions are useless. I block apps like Gearbest to not run in backgroud = I get ads from Gearbest app every day in notification center. I put VPN on autostart, run in background, keep the connection in VPN settings and disable MIUI battery safer for that VPN app = it kills the app sometimes over the day and at night it kills the app instantly after I lock the screen, every time.
WiFi 6 is broken as well. Calls over VoWiFi are broken and sometimes the speed drops down for no reason. WiFi 4 n works perfectly.
Sometimes no icon in status bar, like VPN icon when it's connected, VoLTE I never saw (but it works) and even Google calander is shown the icon in status bar but nothing in notification center (2 times for now).
Haven't noticed any issues myself.
You use VPN and got WiFi6?
Device is awake all the time.
Same, causing overnight battery drain
I lose 1% per 1h at night.
Lose 3% in 8.5 hours (overnight); 0.35% per hour.
Battery stats doesn't work properly
- Dark mode is awful in apps like messenger, messages were white with white text or animations of someone typing were not fully transparent but just white I had to enable dark mode inside app and add app to ignore list for system one.
- Always on Display. I dont understand how schedule works, I set it to 7am-11pm but AOD shows up all the time.
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Lose 3% in 8.5 hours (overnight); 0.35% per hour.
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Stand by is fine, drops a maximum of 2-3% for me. But once we start using, miui 12 have terrible battery optimization
for me seems like i get more battery drain, but havent checked yet, but comming from a day of downloading apps back on miui 11 and later update to miui 12 seems like my battery toke a hit..
I was thinking about making a separate "rant" thread about MIUI 12 on the F2 Pro, but since you're all here I might as well share my frustration.
Coming from years of both Samsung One UI and Stock android, I have one big and two small issues with MIUI 12.
Every other android vendor on the planet (probably) has 4 sound modes: Ring, Vibrate and Silent and DND. You would think that there is no need to change that, but Xiaomi apparently had a different opinion.
- Okay, ring works as expected, but the only time my phone is on Ring is when it's in the setup and I can't change it to Vibrate.
- There is no actual Vibrate, there is this Silent thing, which sets the Ring volume to 0 (so.. vibrate) and offers to mute all media sounds...
- Then there is DND which mutes all notifications, doesn't offer to mute media sounds (like Samsung does), restricts visual popups for notification but doesn't stop the screen from lighting up when you get a notification and the phone is locked like WHAT?! I'm out here trying to sleep and this huge 6.7" screen is lighting up like it's a flashlight?
EDIT: they fixed it ?
Speaking of flashlight, and I know this isn't a grand issue, if you're using the new Control Center, you can rearrange the quick tiles at the bottom, but not the 4 at the top. Why? I would love to be able to switch the Mobile Data and WiFi but no.
I love this phone and it's battery. Easily lasts 2 days. But whose idea was it that the battery stats will show only the last 24 hours instead of since last full charge, like everyone else? ?*
12.0.2.0 fix almost nothing.
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Device is awake all the time.
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Pretty much this. Checking using AccuBattery, the device only entered deep sleep for 5 min for the whole day. Thinking rooting the phone to force device enter doze.
12.0.2.0 and I can forget about audio over bluetooth... this is so disgusting, never seen such a bugged phone.
I'm using the POCO F2 Pro Global Version with the MIUI 12 and I have this issue with Twitter.
Push Notifications are enabled in the app, and when I received the number 9 Notification, the new coming Notification will erased the last one.
It limits to 9 Notifications only.
Any solution please?
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Linuxkek said:
12.0.2.0 and I can forget about audio over bluetooth... this is so disgusting, never seen such a bugged phone.
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That's odd I don't have issues with Bluetooth audio on qc35 and wf-1000xm3 and envaya mini haven't noticed any issues.
There are other bugs like video tools styles being blank etc crushed colours on lockscren probably others but I haven't noticed any Bluetooth issues
The update I presume was mainly a security update.
przemo-c said:
That's odd I don't have issues with Bluetooth audio on qc35 and wf-1000xm3 and envaya mini haven't noticed any issues.
There are other bugs like video tools styles being blank etc crushed colours on lockscren probably others but I haven't noticed any Bluetooth issues
The update I presume was mainly a security update.
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I had no problems, now I can forget to listen music over bluetooth. I try to connect the same TWS with my Mate 20X and no issues, connect again with Poco F2 Pro and same problems. Also reboot the device and pair it again.
Security update is about 80MB, not 400MB. They change also the VoWiFi logo but VoLTE still not fixed (don't show the icon).
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I had no problems, now I can forget to listen music over bluetooth. I try to connect the same TWS with my Mate 20X and no issues, connect again with Poco F2 Pro and same problems. Also reboot the device and pair it again.
Security update is about 80MB, not 400MB. They change also the VoWiFi logo but VoLTE still not fixed (don't show the icon).
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What issues are you having with connecting or pairing or looking for headsets or dropped connections when streaming?
Also I've said it's mainly a security update given they've jumped a bit from the initial preparations of miui 12 also some apps got updated along the way.
Can't check VoLTE as my operator doesn't support it.
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What issues are you having with connecting or pairing or looking for headsets or dropped connections when streaming?
Also I've said it's mainly a security update given they've jumped a bit from the initial preparations of miui 12 also some apps got updated along the way.
Can't check VoLTE as my operator doesn't support it.
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