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Hi,
I would like to use Tasker to control screen on/off times based on following conditions:
1) Keep screen on when reading/using mobile:
a)IF SCREEN IS ON: If handset is in vertical position (reading position), either in portrait or landscape depending on orientation set in android then screen should stay on. This would presume mobile is being used.
b) When handset is laid down on table then screen should turn off after 7 secs automatically or when screen is manually turned off.
note: It would be nice to have a window period of 10 secs after screen off wherein if the handset is picked up within that period, (after the initial 7 secs and before another 10 secs) then screen automatically turns on.
2) NOTIFICATIONS
If notifications are received, have a window period of 15-30 secs where if position of android is changed from desk horizontal to vertical then screen automatically comes on without the need to press power button.This presumes we picked up mobile to view the notification event.
Again first rule applies and screen stays on when reading and turns off auto or manually as per first rule
I have tried but not able to configure rules.
One conflict in mind:-
What if mobile is kept in trouser pocket and notifications are received? Here the gyro won't change as it will go from vertical to vertical position....how to deal with that? Also rule 2 should not auto trigger upon receiving notifications, sensing orientation is vertical when in trouser pocket.
Any help?
Thanks in advance
About the conflict, I think I saw that you can implement a profile that check if your face is in front of the tablet or not (like on S3).
As a personal comment, I would go all way to this aproach: check if you are in front of the camera and decide when to turn screen on.
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About the conflict, I think I saw that you can implement a profile that check if your face is in front of the tablet or not (like on S3).
As a personal comment, I would go all way to this aproach: check if you are in front of the camera and decide when to turn screen on.
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Hi,
The problem with using the front camera is that it will cause battery drain. The camera would constantly have to keep checking for movement and this would definitely drain battery. I am more inclined to use the gyro for this.
I agree with you, but you can at least double the gyro with camera check. even if it will consume some battery, it will avoid other problems.
Or maybe you can also use the proximity sensor?
Another way I can think is to try and detect the shakes (combination of proximity and gyro). Considering the power of Tasker, I think it can be done.
If you manage to succeed, please let me know. I am also interested in something like this, I just never have the time to build such complex scenarios.
okty2k said:
I agree with you, but you can at least double the gyro with camera check. even if it will consume some battery, it will avoid other problems.
Or maybe you can also use the proximity sensor?
Another way I can think is to try and detect the shakes (combination of proximity and gyro). Considering the power of Tasker, I think it can be done.
If you manage to succeed, please let me know. I am also interested in something like this, I just never have the time to build such complex scenarios.
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I could not get it to work thats why asking for help.
So, with all the sensors and bio metric measures going on in our smartphones, many of them being more gimmicky than useful, paired with our constant need for big screens, how about improving the one handed usage of our future devices?
I mean, for starters, app menus aren't properly designed for one handed usage. Many require you to swipe from the left edge oh the screen to right to bring out a menu located on the left of your screen, starting from top to bottom.
Now you try reaching the top left corner menu of your handy smartphone without having to hold your phone in an uncomfortable, dangerous way (danger of dropping it) to reach the option you want to manipulate, be it the inbox, or recent messages, or compose an email, all of those options are usually located top left corner.
I know there are some solutions, some very archaic, like iPhone Plus' solution, that turns the big screen into a small one, or the more usual one handed keyboard found on your every Android phone.
But in my experience these solutions are not optimal, because, for example, in my Xperia, I have to go through like 3 clicks to turn the keyboard into a smaller one handed variation. Non optimal for quick access.
Why don't we have menu lists start from bottom to top so they are more within reach of our available hand/thumb? Why don't they design adaptable apps?
And that's where sensors come in, how come we don't have sensors in our smartphones that detect the with which hand we are holding our phone?
Be it left or right handed, in order to accommodate menus and tools within reach of your thumb, and have the interface of our smart apps adapt quickly and automatically to the hand we are holding our phone with, relying on sensor information. Be it the keyboard, email app, camera, or whatever your mind is capable of imagine.
Because let's be real, sometimes we quickly pull out our phone with either hand that's available on the go, and seamless access I think is needed in our everyday fast lives.
What do you think of this idea? Is it remotely doable? I'm no developer, but everyday usage create needs that are easily covered with current tech I think. I want to hear your thoughts.
I have worked with android sensors but I cannot imagine what kind of sensor the phone would have to have to detect if you are holding the phone with left or right hand. However somehow I imagine that this kind of sensor would not be difficult to make.
Someday I want to be a designer solving this kinds of problems and improving user experiences even by small amounts.
I think a touch sensor on the bezels would be enough.
DrKrFfXx said:
I think a touch sensor on the bezels would be enough.
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I also envisioned something like this first. Now however I and thinking that maybe proximity sensor could be used to recognize the thumb.
Shouldn't be too hard to detect which hand you're using based on touches on the touchscreen when you scroll.
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Is it me or is the fingerprint implementation a little lacking?
First when phone is powered on it won't let you use your fingerprint and requires the less secure Pin to access the device the first time which I find retarded
My second biggest issue is seems rotation isn't taken into consideration for fingerprints.
What I mean by this is if you setup your print and your finger was vertical if you try to scan your print later but your finger is horizontal it won't take it
I mean it's the same print so the device should be able to recognize it 360 degrees.
Some may argue that a print horizontal and vertical are technically not the same print which is true but I argue it's IMPOSSIBLE for a fingerprint to match someone else's just because of rotation.
My fingerprint at 45 degrees will neveratch stone else's at any degree. So rotation should be considered
My work around is to setup all 4 possible stored fingerprints. 2 for each thumb and each have 1 vertical and one horizontal
Maybe I'm being silly but stil bothers me
Maybe you got a defective unit. My fingerprints work 360 degrees.
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Maybe you got a defective unit. My fingerprints work 360 degrees.
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I tested different roms other than stock and same issue
Not sure how hardware could be at fault if it works if I program the fingerprint.
Do you have the PIN thing at boot?
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I tested different roms other than stock and same issue
Not sure how hardware could be at fault if it works if I program the fingerprint.
Do you have the PIN thing at boot?
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Every device asks for the pin/pattern/password on first boot, it's the same on Apple products. As for the fingerprint, I can hold my phone upside down and it will recognise it.
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Every device asks for the pin/pattern/password on first boot, it's the same on Apple products. As for the fingerprint, I can hold my phone upside down and it will recognise it.
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I dont get why a device would ask for a less secure mode of authentication when a more secure one is programmed
thanks for your info
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I dont get why a device would ask for a less secure mode of authentication when a more secure one is programmed
thanks for your info
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A fingerprint is not cryptographically secure and it's much easier to "crack". For example you get arrested and the police wants to search into your phone. There are many countries where the police doesn't need a warant to do this, they can just force you to put your finger on the scanner. This goes for thieves too, they can use force to unlock your phone. So a password or pin is technically more secure.
Edit: another big reason for this are the unfortunate events when someone can lose their hand or fingers. The only way you could unlock the phone this way is to hard restart it and use the backup password.
And it's not a very big deal, I doubt you restart your phone every few minutes. Mine for example has 5 days uptime at the moment.
U can assign your prints many times from different angles. As for having to enter the password from reboot yeah I found that less secured. My solution on mine s7 edge is having password lock on the SIM card so there's a double lock when ever my phone got a reboot.
I have registered two thumbs and two index fingers and the fingerprint scanner accepts them even if I scan them up-side down, so there might be something funky going on with yours. Delete your current prints and do it again. This time, don't just press the scanner in the same area, but move your finger so it gets your whole thumb, and also rotate your finger a bit while it scans.
I just rotated my fingers a bit between scans. Problem solved.
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A read a few years ago that some hackers got into the iPhone when fingerprint was enabled. They could only get through the first lockscreen right after boot. I THINK that is the reason for the pin, as that is way more secure.
Yep, it does work on all angles. But you should do more than one fingerprint profile, even for the same finger. When creating a profile, you need to move your thumb around to cover the whole area of your thumb, otherwise you won't capture enough for it to work on all angles.
1. Requiring a pin or password after boot is an additional security feature. How often do you power down your phone and then start it up again?
2. If you rotate your finger while setting up the password, the phone will recognize it rotated later.
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I have registered two thumbs and two index fingers and the fingerprint scanner accepts them even if I scan them up-side down, so there might be something funky going on with yours. Delete your current prints and do it again. This time, don't just press the scanner in the same area, but move your finger so it gets your whole thumb, and also rotate your finger a bit while it scans.
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In my experience, two of the same finger will drastically mess things up. Unlike the iphone, where it helps. Try with just one of each finger.
I agree with the OP on the Fingerprint, But for me its not a issue.
All i done, was go into the finger print and added my same finger multiple times from every angle.
The Rotation of the finger was a issue ONLY when i setup my thumb holding the device properly.
I think it has more to do with the overall % of the Thumb area it was able to capture.
So rotating 90 or 180 may miss off 25% of your original scanned thumb, making it incomplete.
I added my same unlock fingers about 3 times, one of them uses just the edges of thumbs, the other uses the Flat part and Top
the over uses Flat part and bottom.
So when i press with my Thumb, it recognises my Half-pressed Thumb print, or even just the top segment.
The Eneter your Pin on Reboot is stupid, But would not suprise me if there is a Mod to alter this behaviour.
It was adapted from Apple i think, when they don't the first fingerprint release you had to do the same on apple on first reboot.
(It seems more secure on the fact if your drunk and unconcise someone can turn your phone on and access it with your hand)
A good password before allowing the fingerprint scanner on a restart is a security option to encrypt the storage. A fingerprint isn't that secure as you think. It was recently been proofed vulnerable simple by taking the fingerprint (eg. the fat film on the touch display) and print it. You just have to use magnetic ink.
http://hackaday.com/2016/03/11/finger-print-scanners-really-arent-that-secure/
http://gizmodo.com/how-to-easily-hack-a-smartphone-with-an-inkjet-printer-1763261331
Much more secure would be a vein detection fingerprint scanner. Besides the fingerprint itself it detects the individual vein structure and flow what 1. isn't noticeable from the outside 2. needs you to be present (and alive)
BUT as said before: Different countries police is able to force you to give your fingerprint - This would be an issue if there wasn't an option to ask for the password (and pin) before encrypting the device on startup. The only what you have to be trustful is the phone manufacturers firmware. The strongest password is nothing, if the manufacturer failed with firmware.
This is indeed only just theoretical, because most people for sure haven't that much of a interesting contend on their phones.
fidorulz said:
Is it me or is the fingerprint implementation a little lacking?
First when phone is powered on it won't let you use your fingerprint and requires the less secure Pin to access the device the first time which I find retarded
My second biggest issue is seems rotation isn't taken into consideration for fingerprints.
What I mean by this is if you setup your print and your finger was vertical if you try to scan your print later but your finger is horizontal it won't take it
I mean it's the same print so the device should be able to recognize it 360 degrees.
Some may argue that a print horizontal and vertical are technically not the same print which is true but I argue it's IMPOSSIBLE for a fingerprint to match someone else's just because of rotation.
My fingerprint at 45 degrees will neveratch stone else's at any degree. So rotation should be considered
My work around is to setup all 4 possible stored fingerprints. 2 for each thumb and each have 1 vertical and one horizontal
Maybe I'm being silly but stil bothers me
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I find the fingerprint scanner to be completely rubbish with my thumb and ok with my index finger. I even programmed all four on the same thumb, all with the phone being held in the right hand, and must have "scanned" every part of my right thumb from several similar angles, so there is no excuse for it not getting it right every time, and yet, I would constantly be timed out 29 secs 59 secs, 5 minutes... VERY VERY annoying. So it seems my right thumb isn't samsung fingerprint scanner friendly (it's not like I do a lot of diy or wanking or something!!) Index finger is ok, but then it is not friendly to use as I have to hold the phone in my left hand to then scan my right index. I suppose I could use my left index but the point is I cannot use my S7e fingerprint scanner with one hand as the thumb does not work.
A simple way to overcome the fingerprint
would be to inbuild a temperature control and only accept a fingerprint at the provided with a temperature of: 37 degrees Celsius
Again its still possible to overcome, It just starts getting expensive to be able to do so.
(Anything can be overcome, its just about how much time and money one may have)
dave7802 said:
A simple way to overcome the fingerprint
would be to inbuild a temperature control and only accept a fingerprint at the provided with a temperature of: 37 degrees Celsius
Again its still possible to overcome, It just starts getting expensive to be able to do so.
(Anything can be overcome, its just about how much time and money one may have)
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But what If I have the flu? What if I've been in the sun for a while, and the surface temperature of my skin is above 37 degrees? What happens during winter when it's the opposite?
Back to the lab I guess!
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But what If I have the flu? What if I've been in the sun for a while, and the surface temperature of my skin is above 37 degrees? What happens during winter when it's the opposite?
Back to the lab I guess!
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Actually would not think so, With some clever coding or even using the latest AI's
You could implement something easy enough.
Using something like current GPS and Weather to understand the conditions it may be faced with.
Understand when your ill your Temp does go up and down, but not a great deal and it would not be hard to implement the differences in the temperature control.
To be able to tell the difference between a human temperature and Synthetic, based on how quick the temperature is reached, how its maintained and pressure sensitivity
All your doing is adding a layer of security of Magnetic printers.
So instead of it costing around 500-1000 to bypass a fingerprint reader, its going to increase that by alot.
Making it less affordable for your average Joe.
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Actually would not think so, With some clever coding or even using the latest AI's
You could implement something easy enough.
Using something like current GPS and Weather to understand the conditions it may be faced with.
Understand when your ill your Temp does go up and down, but not a great deal and it would not be hard to implement the differences in the temperature control.
To be able to tell the difference between a human temperature and Synthetic, based on how quick the temperature is reached, how its maintained and pressure sensitivity
All your doing is adding a layer of security of Magnetic printers.
So instead of it costing around 500-1000 to bypass a fingerprint reader, its going to increase that by alot.
Making it less affordable for your average Joe.
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Hahah, yeah so this is making a thing that's not that complicated, extremely complicated. The current fingerprint readers are secure enough (for now), so no reason to go overboard here :laugh:
Also, temperature is not a constant. It changes all the time, so temperature reading is absolutely not the way to go. Fingers, eyes, ears and toes are mathematically unique, in the way they're one of a kind on each person, and can't easily be faked. Temperature is so incredibly random that it would never work.
A reader that includes a capacitive surface that rely on the electrical properties of the human body to detect if it's human (like a regular touchscreen), is easier. That way, it needs to be a finger touching, and not a piece of rubber or paper. Maybe it's already in place, I don't know, and I haven't tried to unlock any devices using paper or anything.
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Hi, I created app "ScreenLock Gear", because I want to monitor my sleep with locked bezel, eliminate turning screen on by my shirt etc. The mission of this thread is to make it comfortable for all of us.
So what is it?
Simple application for screen locking (bezel/screen/button).
Add widget -> Customise -> Tap to lock -> Enjoy locked screen
I uploaded new version (2.0) to Gear store. Description of the new version:
[Widget icons]
- Please see the first image in this post.
[Features]
- Battery friendly - CPU sleeps all the time, big battery saver (there is just listener in background).
- Widget for easy locking and customise settings.
- Supports both - AOD / Display OFF (for AOD is best to set lowest time to unlock).
[New in 2.0]
- Alarm / PIN / Call compatible! It temporary suspends ScreenLock.
- Customisation in widget.
- Unlocking by bezel (right-left-right-left).
- Option to see unlocking pattern progress, including clock and time to unlock.
- HOME button will temporary disable ScreenLock (until next display turn-off)
Again, thanks for the app.
I have not been out in the rain - when I use your app to lock my Gear S3, will it keep logging my walking/hiking/etc? Or does it pause other operations.
I would prefer it you keep it simple but I'm sure others will have requests for more options.
As I wrote elsewhere, when logging walks/hikes, the strap of my hiking pole hits the Back and On buttons and it eventually terminated the logging of my hikes. So this would be a perfect way to prevent accidental touchs of the buttons or screen from changing things.
Again, THANKS.
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I have not been out in the rain - when I use your app to lock my Gear S3, will it keep logging my walking/hiking/etc? Or does it pause other operations.
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No, the ScreenLock has no impact to any logging. Because it does simple job: When DISPLAY TURN ON, call DISPLAY TURN OFF. It is like if you set screen timeout to 0.3 sec. So it is only shortening screen timeout, having no negative impact on battery life or influence of logging.
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I would prefer it you keep it simple but I'm sure others will have requests for more options.
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Yes, I will add more options, but primary I want to make it more comfortable to unlock.
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As I wrote elsewhere, when logging walks/hikes, the strap of my hiking pole hits the Back and On buttons and it eventually terminated the logging of my hikes. So this would be a perfect way to prevent accidental touchs of the buttons or screen from changing things.
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Yes, it can be used, but now only with screen off. S health will continue to log your trip, but you can't see your statistics until you unlock the screen, which is not so comfortable. Maybe only on long hikes. It is in my future plans to enable this app on top of another app.
Thanks for testing
Great idea, I'll give it a run! Thanks for getting this out there
Used it on a 3 mile walk this afternoon. It appears to have worked fine. Shealth still informed me of my statistics at 1, 3 and 3 miles including pace, distance and heart rate. I played with the buttons while walking and the screen stayed dark (there is the brief message "locked") and did not interrupt my hike log. This walk was not as strenuous and steep as the one last week that prematurely ended when the pole straps pressed the wrong buttons. But since I was pressing randomly, it stayed locked.
I was easy to UNlock it and then to stop Shealth's logging.
Obviously, with the screen locked I could not see what the email alerts were but that is fine. I don't have to be permanently connected to my email.
Again, THANKS.
Thanks for the app. I've found I light them room up if I hit the watch while in bed. I may see if tasker can lock the watch at a certain time and maybe even unlock it. I don't know how difficult it would be for you but adding those features would be nice additions. Again, great job and THANKS!!
Konvalink, man, this bezel wake up was making my life miserable.
IMO the app works perfectly, no bells and whistles, just shuts the thing down.
So many thanks, also on behalf of my wife who was about to file.
Love ya man
Brilliant!
Brilliant idea! Thanks.
Thank you very much for this app. Maybe you can add the the back button for lock also.
I've been using this app every night for the past several days. Only issue I have noticed is that when I move my wrist, the watchface will show for 1/2 a second or less then give the "locked" notice. Overall tho, this works great and I really appreciate you sharing it with us.
Needs Polishing
A very essential app. THANK YOU! for sharing
Observations:
1. Hotspots are visible on the AOD screen
2. Momentary "screen on " before showing number of unlock tries
3. Delay in unlocking when a notification is active
Please continue the good work. Again, thank you.
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- It is not compatible with PIN protection - too hard to unlock screen
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Can you please clarify? Can't I use your app if I need Pin also? I use Samsung Pay, so it's mandatory to have pin protection.
Ljusalfheim said:
Can you please clarify? Can't I use your app if I need Pin also? I use Samsung Pay, so it's mandatory to have pin protection.
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The problem is, when PIN protection is enabled, I'm not able to monitor keys or run my app, since PIN protection is killing everything because of safety reasons.
But you can use it. Locking will work. Only unlock will be harder, because app has no chance to monitor BACK key for exit. I will try to solve it somehow, but now, this unlocking would work with PIN enabled:
- Press HOME several times. This will minimise ScreenLock app, so you can write your pin.
- Then you will see black screen, press BACK several times. Otherwise the ScreenLock will start on another SCREEN ON event.
So it's not comfortable yet, but it works.
So it's not comfortable yet, but it works.
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Thanks, amigo, will wait for updates! Keep up the great work!
i just cant find it. tried a lot of times. may i get a link? thank you
konvalink said:
Hi, I created app "ScreenLock Gear", because I want to monitor my sleep with locked bezel, eliminate turning screen on by my shirt etc. The mission of this thread is to make it comfortable for all of us.
So what is it?
Simple application for screen locking (bezel/screen/button).
Add widget -> Tap to lock -> Enjoy locked screen -> Press BACK quickly several time to unlock.
Or set this app for HOME double-click.
[Features]
- Widget for easy locking
- Supports both - AOD / Display OFF
- Battery friendly - there is just listener in background, so CPU sleeps all the time
- Counter of locks
[Notes]
- This is alpha version, so please try it and comment your ideas
- It is not compatible with PIN protection - too hard to unlock screen
- To explain the unlock pattern - you have to press the BACK three times in sequence of time 0.1 to 0.3 sec between every press. Because if I let here more time, it will delay global locking time.
[Future plans]
- Primary: make unlocking more friendly
- Make user to select different unlocking pattern
- Ability to lock screen on current app (S health)
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HI again.
i need to have one particular app permanently on screen (Skydive altimeter) during a certain period of gime (approximately 5 min ). It's essential that the bezel doesn't interfere so it would be great if your app could block it but I must see the interface of Skydive altimeter. Is it possible?
Thanks great app.please make time based lock option or lock when detect sleeping
Great app. I got 4 days of working time with AOD in red font.
About unlocking: maybe full 360 bezel movement instead of clicking back button?
Hi,
First off, thanks so much for this app, I don't understand why Samsung didn't put this type of feature directly in the gear... Anyways, I'll test this tonight and see how it goes
However, is it possible for you to add an option page where you can decice how to unlock and if we can show the number of unlock tentatives? On my end, I would prefear if the gear stayed fully off, without showing the number of tentatives.
Thanks!!
More than happy with app
I used the app a few times hiking and find it working very well. It keeps S-health's log going and the underlying S-health app does not prematurely terminate logging of my hike or walk because something (like the straps from my hiking poles) has activated the Home or Back buttons.
And even though I have Samsung Pay activated and have a password/pin your app does not interfere.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
Face unlock currently requires a double tap, which is annoying because it doesn't work half the time
Even though they are trying to fix this in the next update, a better implementation would be when you raise the phone, it shows the lock screen (not ambient display screen), and simultaneously turns on the front camera to face unlock your phone
Gravity screen can do this, but requires a heavy wakelock to do so. Using the same 'raise to wake' method as ambient display [which seems to work without a heavy wakelock], but then showing the lock screen instead of ambient display, should achieve this
I would LOVE this feature, it would be a complete game changer!!
I use gravity screen and don't lose much battery
Use the power button since it's more reliable anyways ?
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I use gravity screen and don't lose much battery
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There's still a fair amount of battery loss. Oneplus raise to wake seems to be able to do the same action without any battery loss
This was so fine on Op5 and 5T. Open Beta, of course!
Update: I've installed the wave up app. It basically wakes the phone when proximity sensor is uncovered
So when I take the phone out of my pocket, it authenticates my face automatically and unlocks, in a split second. I don't need to touch anything
Similarly if I keep my phone face down on a desk (not ideal), when I flip it over to look at it, it unlocks.
No messing around with d2tw which is more like quadruple tap to wake since this functionality is broken
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Update: I've installed the wave up app. It basically wakes the phone when proximity sensor is uncovered
So when I take the phone out of my pocket, it authenticates my face automatically and unlocks, in a split second. I don't need to touch anything
Similarly if I keep my phone face down on a desk (not ideal), when I flip it over to look at it, it unlocks.
No messing around with d2tw which is more like quadruple tap to wake since this functionality is broken
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Hi i use the original flip case from OP and as soon as i open my case door it unlocks witch is very easy and convenient.
Shall check with tasker.
Update: could not succeed.
I face no trouble in dt2w it wakes as it's intended to and unlocks with face within a split second, face unlock has become slower since the 5.1.9 and in dp3 but still fast enough
If my hand is dirty i just say Hey or Ok google.
Agree. it would be a great thing