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[Discussion] Why I would never again buy Huawei Phone! And why you shouldn't too!

FIRST: This is my own opinion. You may disagree with it!
My Reasons:
I have Huawei P9. Looking at their Update policy I am not happy with it. P8 is not going to get a Nougat update which is SHAME! Not even 2 years of OS support... What a joke. This means My P9 most likely will not updated to a newer version after Nougat... Which means I will never again pay so much money for something that won't get at least 2 new OS updates (whole version).
Next: Nougat update. It's a complete JOKE. What's new? Split screen, App drawer (lol what innovation here!), couple redesign small things... Take a look at Samsung. They are actually adding new stuff... New apps that are useful: Password manager which makes a bigger use of the fingerprint scanner. Note app. New other stuff. And to be honest their Skin looks so much better. Colors are better. Did you see the ugly Black and Dark Blue colors on the Quick toggles on Huawei Nougat? Damn the guy who came with this idea should be fired as soon as possible! No Double tap to wake up, no raise to wake up... But hey they have Knuckle gestures.. Never used them? What a sick person will knock on his phone.. So dumb... Everytime I want to check my screen I have to look for the fingerprint or power button, chick with case makes a little harder to press everytime the power button, in the dark it's super annoying when you mistake it with Volume down... It's just annoying. Give me something easier. Wave to wake up, raise, double tap... Give me all of them and let me choose...
Next: Icons with app drawer are ridiculously BIG! I guess Huawei designers know nothing about aesthetics or don't care...
Next: Notes app doesn't sync with Gmail. I had iPhone and Samsung phones in the past. I really like Stock apps for notes, they are Free, no ads and easy to use.. And they sync with a Google account... This is not the case here.. There is just half baked app, made for 10 minutes while most likely the dude what on the WC...
So many stock Bloat but no Reminders app... Again! Did you try to set simple reminder without using Google Now? I did.. You need to go to Calendar, make Event, turn 100 option some ON, some OFF... Just give me a simple App like on iOS to make a Reminder in 10 secs.. Is this so hard? I guess it's so much easier than making 10 apps that no one is using...
Next: Nothing about Daydream... I guess it won't work with P9...
Next: Again Updates: Sammy released 4 BETA updates, iOS releases many Betas to make sure everything is OK when the final is released to the public.. Huawei still on 1st beta!!!! And most likely this will be the last... We will get Official release full of bugs and will have to wait months for a fix! Thank you Huawei!!!
Next: Huawei is one of the last OEMs that still hasn't uploaded their Stock apps on the Play Store. And we need to wait Months if there is a problem with some of the stock apps! Did you use the stock Huawei keyboard? Did you see how outdated it is? Doesn't have even all the emojis... Not talking about he look from 2008....
Next: Video recording software. Pixel uses software stabilization too, but it's so much better. Video recording quality is ridiculous for a phone at this price... Again I think someone did the coding while was doing his work on the WC... If Pixel can have a lot better recording with software stabilization why we should settle with suck a Joke?
This is why I won't buy another phone from Huawei. Too much negatives for me. And feeling sorry I didn't get the S7... The metal build was more important for me, but i did a mistake.. Should have taken the Glass.. Obviously other OEMs are doing a lot better job...
P.S: Biggest deal breaker: Updates... !

What's the problem if we're currently using Nougat Public Beta? I don't see any fallback. The official will be rolled out sooner or later.
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Hi Martin, thanks for sharing your opinion, which you're very much entitled to of course.
I'm not too worried about the update. It'll come. It's my experience that almost ALL OEMs are slow at updating to the latest version (Samsung, LG, Oneplus). And when the update comes it's either full of bugs (Oneplus) or makes your phone come to a screeching halt (Samsung).
Notes app... I haven't found anything better than Google Keep for that and it syncs across my devices. Reminders I usually set via the calendar which isn't really an issue for me, but I'm sure there are reminders apps in the Playstore.
Granted, Huawei does have quite a bit of bloat on it, BUT... It doesn't seem to have an impact on either battery life or speed of the phone for me. For me my P9 is my first phone which even after a good 5 months usage is still just as swift and fluid as the first day I got it. And everything just works.

guitarsmurf2501 said:
Hi Martin, thanks for sharing your opinion, which you're very much entitled to of course.
I'm not too worried about the update. It'll come. It's my experience that almost ALL OEMs are slow at updating to the latest version (Samsung, LG, Oneplus). And when the update comes it's either full of bugs (Oneplus) or makes your phone come to a screeching halt (Samsung).
Notes app... I haven't found anything better than Google Keep for that and it syncs across my devices. Reminders I usually set via the calendar which isn't really an issue for me, but I'm sure there are reminders apps in the Playstore.
Granted, Huawei does have quite a bit of bloat on it, BUT... It doesn't seem to have an impact on either battery life or speed of the phone for me. For me my P9 is my first phone which even after a good 5 months usage is still just as swift and fluid as the first day I got it. And everything just works.
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I am not saying it's a bad phone. It's a great phone, but the support is kinda poor. I am not rushing for the Nougat. I don't mind waiting if they will release a really stable version. Not happy that they are on the 1st beta and maybe this will be last and while most problems will be fixed, while they fix them most likely there will be a new one. And there is not a big improvement in Nougat. They could expand some things, make them better. It most of the time color change...
Don't mind the bloat too, I put all the stuff in a folder and forget they exist.
As I said the phone is great, but they could work a little better on the software.

The 3th beta got its firmware yesterday. You want to troll here, thats the point.

dkionline said:
The 3th beta got its firmware yesterday. You want to troll here, thats the point.
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Yeah. Have nothing else to do, decided to troll. Nowadays if you say something people disagree is trolling.
Here in Bulgaria - Beta 1. In the official beta thread no reports for another update, but you got 3.. Strange.

Well the P8 won't be updated due to the same reasons as the Xperia Z3 from Sony. The Kirin used in the sP8 simply is not compatible with Vulkan and therefore Googles Certification Process for Android 7. As this does not happen regularly, you should be able to see updates for your P9 for at least 2 years i guess.
MartinDimchev said:
FIRST: This is my own opinion. You may disagree with it!
My Reasons:
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P.S: Biggest deal breaker: Updates... !
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Thread Cleaned. Please stay on topic and respectful to each other. Else Thread will be closed.

Are you invited for beta test? If not, what is the cust for bulgaria?
Why more betas than stable?
Better is to modify 6.0 and make a backup, if 7.0 got bugs in first global releases, then u can go back.
Why we need the same like other manufacture? Its enough now.

For every stuff have their pros / cons no one the best just find the one that fit for you, Huawei do good progress (not the best) and I dint see any new in software in other phone all are same / running on native Android ,you can go for non OEM firmware phone if need more software modification , but Huawei phone I think thay made for standard / daily driver like Apple...

Sounds like the op should have gone to Samsung, you are basically criticising the huawei because its not a samsung.....
I came from samsung and most of the things you point out as negatives are positives to me.
Placement of fingerprint scanner is perfect, touchwiz is awful and filled to the brim with bloat and ugly icons.
You complain about updates, just buy a samsung and see how long before you end up rooting it just so you can get an update or remove bloatware.
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Some of these points are valid, however, the software is as it is because Huawei is a Chinese brand. Huawei is huge in china, and in china, this software is what sells. And if you don't like the stock apps, just download new ones. If you don't like the launcher, download a new one. That is the beauty of android. There are points of EMUI that I don't like either, but most of them I was able to fix by downloading apps and customizing what I could in the settings.

Has somebody forced you to buy the Huawei? If you have bought the phone without acquiring some information before is your fault.
You knew about the update, the software and the pro a d cons, why are you complaining?
If you thought that the samsung was better than the Huawei why you bought it? Take a s7 edge and be happy.
You could install a Rom anyway

africa89 said:
Has somebody forced you to buy the Huawei? If you have bought the phone without acquiring some information before is your fault.
You knew about the update, the software and the pro a d cons, why are you complaining?
If you thought that the samsung was better than the Huawei why you bought it? Take a s7 edge and be happy.
You could install a Rom anyway
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How do you know how bad is a phone without using it at least for a month? Do they write the Cons in your country? Because here they don't. Yeah I will install a garage rom to fix my phone...
If I knew how bad this phone will be I was going to get the S7 without thinking twice...
I don't get people like you... Why don't you keep your pointless opinion for yourself. What, do only people with positive experience should write here? I am sharing my experience with this phone. And hope it will help to people who are thinking about getting this phone, thinking it's a great deal and great phone... I don't want people the give their money like me for something that's not worth it... If they read this and still want the phone at least they know some of the flaws and problems they may see and know they can live it it..

And why you shouldn't too!
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Nah, my next phone will definitely be from Huawei. I love it.

Huawei P9/P9 Plus Surpass 10 Million Shipments
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/press/news/hw-u_033702.htm

spring80 said:
Huawei P9/P9 Plus Surpass 10 Million Shipments
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/press/news/hw-u_033702.htm
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In most European countries after you buy a phone and open the box, you can't give it back or exchange for another brand.
And it's Shipment, not SOLD... Still it's a great phone, for most people who are not too much into phones or know what other phones can do or how often they are updated, or don't care about updates they would be very happy with this phone. I am happy most of the time while using it. Small things are ruing my usage and this is the problem, they are small, fixable but no one is fixing them.

MartinDimchev said:
In most European countries after you buy a phone and open the box, you can't give it back or exchange for another brand.
And it's Shipment, not SOLD... Still it's a great phone, for most people who are not too much into phones or know what other phones can do or how often they are updated, or don't care about updates they would be very happy with this phone. I am happy most of the time while using it. Small things are ruing my usage and this is the problem, they are small, fixable but no one is fixing them.
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Dont cry man if you want updates buy a Pixel
Bye!!

safariking said:
Dont cry man if you want updates buy a Pixel
Bye!!
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Hey man, if you don't want reading someone complaining about something cut the internet cable.
Bye!!!

MartinDimchev said:
Hey man, if you don't want reading someone complaining about something cut the internet cable.
Bye!!!
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Internet cable doesn't fit in my phone so i cant cut it

Updates global stable version .

it is from March that I no longer receive updates for the global version, I am at 10.3.1.0. have they already left the device? should I install another rom? are there any hopes for widevine certification l1?
Tnks.

Matteomario said:
it is from March that I no longer receive updates for the global version, I am at 10.3.1.0. have they already left the device? should I install another rom? are there any hopes for widevine certification l1?
Tnks.
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I was wondering the same thing.

tiberiumsun007 said:
I was wondering the same thing.
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Me too

This will be the first and last Xiaomi I own; of that I am certain.

5g variant got update yesterday so maybe our Perseus will be updated in a few days too... At least I hope.

croques said:
This will be the first and last Xiaomi I own; of that I am certain.
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I am not disappointed in performance, and camera is also good & also installed gcam. They also promised android Q. So, it is not that bad . Although, I was thinking of Oneplus next time because they are known for their software support.

croques said:
This will be the first and last Xiaomi I own; of that I am certain.
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Why's that? Just because of infrequent updates?

Its OK ... but
tiberiumsun007 said:
I am not disappointed in performance, and camera is also good & also installed gcam. They also promised android Q. So, it is not that bad . Although, I was thinking of Oneplus next time because they are known for their software support.
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Why's that? Just because of infrequent updates?
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No, performance is fine. The camera is brilliant with the modded camera app. I find all the Xiaomi stuff littering the phone a nuisance although I have removed as much as I can without rooting. (I used to root every phone I owned but need flawless Google Pay - always - and don't want to play whack-a-mole with Google).
I resisted setting up a Xiaomi account - why would I have an account with a phone manufacturer? I'm not really a fan of Mui but with a Google Pixel Launcher it's good enough but I am finding the lack of proper notifications on email less than stellar. I like the Xi charging; OnePlus have never done this. Google's Nexus 4 - I think - did and I was hooked from then on.
There are two issues with Xiaomi really. The over riding issue is security. In my mind timely security updates are essential for any phone manufacturer wanting to be taken seriously. And the second is all the data collection that Xiaomi try to do on me; they seem me as a legitimate subject to data mine and advertise to; I'm not.
So I was hoping the Pixel 4 might finally get Google back on to the straight and narrow that the Nexus phones found. Alas no; it seems the Pixel 4 are stylisticly dead in the water with chin and forehead size bezels as gross as they are. So it looks as if I'll be returning to the OnePlus fold if they can master a through-the-screen camera and finger print scanner on the back where it should be.
I had been running a OnePlus since the the days of the One and went to 3, 5 and 6. I like OnePlus. Reasonable performance; regular updates and close to pure Android.
But liking a phone (why do we still call it a phone - its so much more?) liking a phone is very personal and your mileage will vary from mine.

Any new information about the new update?

New update pushed out. Dark mode now available in stable.

Full rom 10.3.2.0
http://bigota.d.miui.com/V10.3.2.0.PEEMIXM/miui_MIMIX3Global_V10.3.2.0.PEEMIXM_cf84891114_9.0.zip

Dark more available but themes don't work correctly when turned on.

Is there a full fastboot image available for the latest version?

Mate 30 Pro and custom ROM's

Hey everyone
I just heard about Huawei been a bit more relaxed about rooting their Mate 30 Pro.
At First I was like that is AWESOME, the idea of been able to use the Mate 30 Pro with pixel experience (my favourite custom Rom) sounds amazing.... best Pixel stock experience on a beast like Mate 30 would be epic.
Then I found a strange taste in my mouth. There would still be some draw backs. Thought I would list some concerns and people could answer some of those concerns.
(Note....each concern/question has a solution or comment I think about the issue.....this is just my view and not to be taken as the only view)
1. Lack of full potential from cameras on the back?
I know some custom ROM camera apps are pretty good l, but to really experience the best from the camera's you would have to have some access to l the Mate 30 Pro stock camera app package to allow.
A thought I had is that Huawei could make a APK that's a bit like Goodlock and this app would allow you to download the stock camera app and other stock apps that people may use on their Huawei devices.
2. LTE and 5G??
I can remember using my Samsung S7E with Pixel Experience but one of the draw backs was that I could get 4G but I didn't get the extra features like LTE, wifi calling, HD call quality ect. If this remained the case then this would be a major draw back to a 2019 flagship device.
Maybe Huawei could needed coding and solutions directly to custom Rom developers....or allow then to be a open source so every ROM devloper had access these features.
3. General Custom ROM glitches and bugs
We are all used to our ROMs having strange behaviours every now and ad gain but do we want these bugs on our £800+ smartphone that we use eveqersryday.
This solution seems obvious Huawei need to work closely with custom Rom developers and helping them Iron these issues out.
4. Some apps dont work on custom Roms no matter what.
Back to my S7e I was able to almost all of the apps on my phone thanks to magisk manager but some apps still had issues. My samsung gear app would pair with my gearfit 2 no matter what. It downloaded but it would not find any devices. I found a fix but that caused my Google to stop working, so had to put it back. This happened with other apps as well.
The only solution I can think of is app developers would have to made aware that mate 30 users could be using rooted devices with Huawei's blessing and ensure there apps work on rooted versions of the phone.
5. Is Warranty still safe.
If Huawei are actually cool with us rooting our P30 Pro then they need to put their money where their mouth is and allow this activity with their manufactures warranty, private insurance companies need to follow suit as well.
Huawei could give us manufactures warranty but with the condition that if possible we have to flash the stock firmware of the device before sending it out.
That's it....that's just s few of my thoughts and possible solutions and would love to hear what you guys think and if you have any worries or questions of your own? Maybe if we make enough noise Huawei will notice us and take our ideas and answer our questions themselves.
(Make it easier....put which number comment your answering to so we all have a better idea what's going on)
Keep it friendly guys remember these are mine and others thoughts.... none of us are implying that these thoughts are right.
By the way... I am a Note 9 user but I am really excited of the potential of Huawei been the ultimate custom ROM brand.

Official Pixel Experience is pretty much nill on Huawei Devices. I see the Honor 10 has
again been dropped.
When the Ban is lifted Huawei will lock the bootloader again no doubt.

they have changed their mind, they will not unlock the BL for the Mate 30.
the only place this device will sell well is China, they are screwed pretty much everywhere else.

I just bought one in shanghai yesterday. Its a very neat and fast phone. especially the 40w charging is cool. you can watch percentages go up...
I asked for the 5G version but i was told its not availbale and should come November. I was wondering though if its already built in and just needs a software patch... like back then when Nvidia was reducing performace on Graphic cards by disabling shaders by firmware...

Surrido said:
I just bought one in shanghai yesterday. Its a very neat and fast phone. especially the 40w charging is cool. you can watch percentages go up...
I asked for the 5G version but i was told its not availbale and should come November. I was wondering though if its already built in and just needs a software patch... like back then when Nvidia was reducing performace on Graphic cards by disabling shaders by firmware...
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Where you live? I just thinking to get one too but not sure china version it support USA TMobile LTE Network or not

paullu said:
Where you live? I just thinking to get one too but not sure china version it support USA TMobile LTE Network or not
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I live in Germany. Cant test US Networks until January, so someone else needs to do that

paullu said:
Where you live? I just thinking to get one too but not sure china version it support USA TMobile LTE Network or not
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I would say most likely it works, as the China version covers pretty much all the network.
You could find out the specs from their website and check if the LTE bands covers T-Mobiles. It works on Bell's network though.

paullu said:
Where you live? I just thinking to get one too but not sure china version it support USA TMobile LTE Network or not
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I am in TX, I got Mate 30 Pro from China, and it works with T-mobile showing "4G" icon. The speed test result is like to my old iPhone 6.
By the way, I have 2 sim card, one is China Union (works on AT&T's network) which support VoLTE, the other is T-Mobile which does not.

chenydx said:
I am in TX, I got Mate 30 Pro from China, and it works with T-mobile showing "4G" icon. The speed test result is like to my old iPhone 6.
By the way, I have 2 sim card, one is China Union (works on AT&T's network) which support VoLTE, the other is T-Mobile which does not.
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Thanks for the reply. Also dou you install Google apps? If so can you confirm Google pay , YouTube ,Goole map are working?

paullu said:
Thanks for the reply. Also dou you install Google apps? If so can you confirm Google pay , YouTube ,Goole map are working?
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Play store, Google pay, gmail, map, YouTube, chrome, Android Auto can be installed and have no problem to log in to use. i have been play with my phone for a week, so far the noticable issues are Google pay that does not allow me to pay, and some of app like netflix, United airline, gasbuddy cannot install..

Does Google photos back up and work as normal?

jbreaz said:
Does Google photos back up and work as normal?
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Google photos Works fine for me (backup sync and share)

o012 said:
Google photos Works fine for me (backup sync and share)
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Thank you I think I'm convinced

I was trying to find a thread about the bootloader being unlocked on this phone and couldn't find one. I came across this video on YouTube where this guy turns on his phone and says his phone unlocked. He doesn't say how he did it but I'm thinking someone might want to contact him and ask him how he did it. About 2 minutes in he shows this
https://youtu.be/6a8BkESzAXs

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I was trying to find a thread about the bootloader being unlocked on this phone and couldn't find one. I came across this video on YouTube where this guy turns on his phone and says his phone unlocked. He doesn't say how he did it but I'm thinking someone might want to contact him and ask him how he did it. About 2 minutes in he shows this
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Most likely a review unit like others have had, release software dosnt have OEM unlock option in developers, if something comes of the int. Version we may be able to get rebranding but has yet to be seen

He commented about it being a devkit under the comment by Markus Haier here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5pxYxPSbl_s and said he was going to make a video on it but still nothing.
@o012 Well my P30-Pro (VOG-L09) has OEM unlocking under developer options but haven't tried unlocking.

All works in canada except certain banking apps google backup netflix google pay androis assistant needs to be rebooted everytime. Rest all works fine including google photo backup

Has anyone installed a custom ROM and TWRP to it yet.
Could a Gapps package help the issues? Gapps include all the google services and system setting to keep google stable and updating.
Think Gapps could be installed via the phones built in bootloader??.

Does P40 Pro worth?

Hi,
I wanted to buy P40 Pro, like today, but I had second thougths, about GMS, there is a way that I can install GMS without notifications? The only App that I "depend" from Google is Youtube.
Thank you!.

If the only app you need from Google is YouTube, then you can install YouTube Vanced https://vanced.app/
It works without GMS. And it has built in adblocker.

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jericho246 said:
If the only app you need from Google is YouTube, then you can install YouTube Vanced
It works without GMS. And it has built in adblocker.
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Thank you for you answer, but I can login with my google account on that Vanced?

catalindcs said:
Thank you for you answer, but I can login with my google account on that Vanced?
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Yes, without problem.

matik3789 said:
Yes, without problem.
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Yeah I can vouch for that, vanced worked great for me.
Is it worth it? For me, I got it during a promotion, so I got some freebies that made it worth to buy. If there was no promotion, I think I will get another phone instead.
Also take notice that its not only google apps which are not available. A lot of 3rd party apps actually have google dependencies, and so they won't work as they should
But as far as user experience, it has been great for me. Camera is very good (but be wary of the super shallow depth of field, I think this is why some people are complaining image looks soft), gaming also feels pretty good, and most of the apps I need is already copied through phone clone. Only caveat is banking apps are not available yet. But again it depends on where ur at, I read in reviews that most banking apps are supported in Malaysia and Indonesia, so I took the gamble and hoped it will be available soon too.

mime11 said:
Yeah I can vouch for that, vanced worked great for me.
Is it worth it? For me, I got it during a promotion, so I got some freebies that made it worth to buy. If there was no promotion, I think I will get another phone instead.
Also take notice that its not only google apps which are not available. A lot of 3rd party apps actually have google dependencies, and so they won't work as they should
But as far as user experience, it has been great for me. Camera is very good (but be wary of the super shallow depth of field, I think this is why some people are complaining image looks soft), gaming also feels pretty good, and most of the apps I need is already copied through phone clone. Only caveat is banking apps are not available yet. But again it depends on where ur at, I read in reviews that most banking apps are supported in Malaysia and Indonesia, so I took the gamble and hoped it will be available soon too.
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thanks for answers, one last question does the installation of GMS from that guide, offers me access to Google Pay?
I just ordered the phone today.

catalindcs said:
thanks for answers, one last question does the installation of GMS from that guide, offers me access to Google Pay?
I just ordered the phone today.
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Which guide did you mean? If its the MicroG from Youtube Vanced then no, you can't use Google Pay. I can't say how it is with the other GMS guide though, I haven't installed GMS yet

Question Does the Google Pixel 6a Requite a Custom ROM?

So with this being my first Google phone since my old Nexus 5 from back in the day, I'm beginning to question if there is really any need to run this phone with a Custom ROM like I have all my previous other phones? For whatever reason, there doesn't seem to be as much active development for this phone, like there was all my other older phones like my Poco F1 which was fantastic throughout all the years that I owned that phone.
For me personally, there's only a couple things that I'd really like to have on this phone that I'm unsure whether or not I need to root my phone or not. The first of these is Youtube Vanced. Youtube Vanced has always been fantastic as it allows me to play audio from videos using my headphones and my phone on standby in my pocket as I carry out tasks at work and around the house. Can this still be done?
The other was Mobilism. There were a bunch of applications like Sleep Cycle Pro and Smart Audio Book Player that I absolutely loved on my old phone where I ran ArrowOS.
Is it possible to run these applications without having to wipe the entire ROM of my phone and switching it with something else? Or can I simply get away with rooting my phone?
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch.

Vanced is now "rebranded" as ReVanced. No need to root for that, you'll have to install microG to be able to log in tho.

Lada333 said:
Vanced is now "rebranded" as ReVanced. No need to root for that, you'll have to install microG to be able to log in tho.
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Yeah I had heard Vanced had been rebranded. Is this the new link to ReVanced? Is there anything else I should be concerned about? How do I get my hands on MicroG? Is it Services Core I need from this website HERE?
Thanks for all the help as always!

vanced youtube works fine im still using it

Oh that's great to hear! I couldn't live without my Youtube vanced!

bupeapoop said:
Yeah I had heard Vanced had been rebranded. Is this the new link to ReVanced? Is there anything else I should be concerned about? How do I get my hands on MicroG? Is it Services Core I need from this website HERE?
Thanks for all the help as always!
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Follow this guide.
ReVanced is still in very early development.
You can either grab someone's .apk from r/revancedapp, or use their patcher to install only those functions that you truly need.
I'd also recommend definitely sticking to the non-root variant, as the root version has the tendency of corrupting itself and randomly rebooting your device.

bupeapoop said:
So with this being my first Google phone since my old Nexus 5 from back in the day, I'm beginning to question if there is really any need to run this phone with a Custom ROM like I have all my previous other phones? For whatever reason, there doesn't seem to be as much active development for this phone, like there was all my other older phones like my Poco F1 which was fantastic throughout all the years that I owned that phone.
For me personally, there's only a couple things that I'd really like to have on this phone that I'm unsure whether or not I need to root my phone or not. The first of these is Youtube Vanced. Youtube Vanced has always been fantastic as it allows me to play audio from videos using my headphones and my phone on standby in my pocket as I carry out tasks at work and around the house. Can this still be done?
The other was Mobilism. There were a bunch of applications like Sleep Cycle Pro and Smart Audio Book Player that I absolutely loved on my old phone where I ran ArrowOS.
Is it possible to run these applications without having to wipe the entire ROM of my phone and switching it with something else? Or can I simply get away with rooting my phone?
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch.
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I mean, you can use Youtube Premium or Youtube Premium Family too?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for hating on double-quad ads. I am against that. But straight-up "pirating" is just ugh. This is why we get these projects shut down, the phone more and more locked down, because people use the "freedom" for piracy. Sad.

h8Aramex said:
I mean, you can use Youtube Premium or Youtube Premium Family too?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for hating on double-quad ads. I am against that. But straight-up "pirating" is just ugh. This is why we get these projects shut down, the phone more and more locked down, because people use the "freedom" for piracy. Sad.
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>straight up pirating
Are you aware that Vanced/ReVanced has tons and tons more features beside just ad-blocking?
None of these happen because "people use the "freedom" for piracy," we get endless ads and paid services because companies are greedy & after a while they know that there's no real competition out there for them -- so why not charge the users? What are they going to do? Stop using their service? Not an option.