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Hi guys, have 10 mins so decided to write up little explanation about batteries.
Main purpose of this thread is not "how to look after li-ion battery so it stays alive forever" but rather how to get best day to day performance without killing battery prematurely (before contract expires lol)
First of all, there is no such thing as battery conditioning or calibration with Li-Ion. When people say that, they refer to BATTERY STATS (software side) knowingly or unknowingly.
Second. Battery stats. Forget about clearing them every time you flash A ROM. ONLY do it if something is seriously wrong with battery reporting, you'll "feel" exactly when it's happening. Poor battery life is not caused just by bad stats normally, erratic and weird percentage reporting is. If you wipe stats every time you flash new ROM, it will take few full cycles to rebuild them during which you will experience poor battery life and blame the ROM obviously.
Third. Try to stick to FULL cycles as much as you can, 100%-0%-100%-0%. This helps to keep battery stats healthy.
Fourth. Discharging battery to 0% is NOT BAD! I repeat, it's not bad. That is until you start trying to discharge it completely by trying to start up the phone, or do not charge immediately (or within reasonable amount of time). Batteries are smart nowadays, and they shut down when they still have some charge left (surprise, surprise) so they don't get damaged.
This ^^^ works for any smartphone really, but keeping to full cycles help our Sensations especially, as it helps with touchscreen problems (see my or zmfl's threads).
All of the above are my findings, experimenting, searching net or discussing with other smartphone users, I have no hard data to prove it. So either believe it or don't, it's up to you. I know quite a few people who agree with the above.
If you find this useful i'd recommend making it sticky.
Any further questions will be answered to my best knowledge, and if i don't know something i'm sure fellow members will join in. I'll add more Q/A's to OP as they come.
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Bump charging.
Hmm, tough one. An odd battery will benefit from it, but most batteries wont. Bump charging will eventually damage battery and you'll be worse off in the end. Not recommended.
Battery percentage jumps up and down after reboot (Sensation specific)
Has been discussed A LOT here. There are plenty of explanations why it happens, I'm not sure if any of them correct, but the main thing is, just disregard it as it will catch up with correct % pretty soon by depleting faster/slower.
This is the best thread for battery IMO.
Thanks
likuku said:
This is the best thread for battery IMO.
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Thank you! Finally, a post on battery life that is actually factual.
Still not sure about the whole "Full discharge/charge" cycles, since Li-ions prefer partial charge, but regardless. Nice one
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282 views and 5 votes? Seriously?
As a electrical engineer I have to disagree with some of the statements.
From what I studied it's best practice to keep your Li-Ion fully charged. Keeping your battery discharged for a long time may decrease your battery lifetime. Yes, there are safeguards, but still it isn't healthy for the battery. It's not like going under a magical barrier of 3500mV causes dmg to the battery and 3501mV causes no dmg at all. It's bull****.
How to maximize your battery life?
Do not charge your battery when you're running high demanding tasks.
Do not softreset your phone when you're charging.
Do not discharge your battery when it's not needed.
Keep your battery dry.
Do not expose your battery to temperatures above 50C or below 0C.
Cool. Very good info, will add to OP if you don't mind.
Regarding discharge, I did say that if phone dies you should charge it immediately I do not recommend "killing" it, ie trying to start phone when its dead repeatedly.
It is indeed good to keep Li-Ion topped up at all times, bit disadvantage of that is messed up battery stats, which will cause incorrect readings and premature shut down- hence bad battery life.
Jackos said:
As a electrical engineer I have to disagree with some of the statements.
From what I studied it's best practice to keep your Li-Ion fully charged. Keeping your battery discharged for a long time may decrease your battery lifetime. Yes, there are safeguards, but still it isn't healthy for the battery. It's not like going under a magical barrier of 3500mV causes dmg to the battery and 3501mV causes no dmg at all. It's bull****.
How to maximize your battery life?
Do not charge your battery when you're running high demanding tasks.
Do not softreset your phone when you're charging.
Do not discharge your battery when it's not needed.
Keep your battery dry.
Do not expose your battery to temperatures above 50C or below 0C.
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Jepp, doing 100%-0%-100%-0% cycles will result in best battery "calibration", but that's just software based as you mentioned. This would be excellent for older battery types.
And very good for Android battery stats. Basically, what I posted is explanation how to keep battery stats healthy while not damaging battery. From battery point of view, yes just keep it topped up to preserve it the longest. From Stats point of view, drain,charge,drain,charge is the best thing. Both are not good for each other. But, I'd rather have healthy stats for best performance in day to day use if I had to make a choice, since Anker is only 12gbp, and if I kill one, I'll just get a new one.
OP is basically how to keep Stats/Battery balanced without affecting each other too much.
Just remember disclaimer, all of the info is what I found by reading and from personal experience. You don't have to take it for granted.
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Jepp, doing 100%-0%-100%-0% cycles will result in best battery "calibration", but that's just software based as you mentioned. This would be excellent for older battery types.
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Nice FAQ, mate. Helpful infos imo.
Sensation Xe battery with 2 days use
i have rom ARHD 3.6.7, bricked kernel 1.5 and my battery last 2days with moderate use
i only wip battery stat once when flash new rom.
The best charging strategy (for a long battery life, in terms of persistance) for a vehicle with a range extender (e.g. used in Stuttgart in some of the Mercedes buses) is keeping the charge between 40 - 60%. Higher and lower will shorten the life of the battery more. Since these vehicles use LiIon batteries, I think it should be the same for smartphone batteries.
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The best charging strategy (for a long battery life, in terms of persistance) for a vehicle with a range extender (e.g. used in Stuttgart in some of the Mercedes buses) is keeping the charge between 40 - 60%. Higher and lower will shorten the life of the battery more. Since these vehicles use LiIon batteries, I think it should be the same for smartphone batteries.
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Not exactly. Technology is fair bit different there afaik. Also, them batteries cost thousands, Anker costs a tenner.
Purpose of this thread is not how to preserve battery longest, but how to get best performance day to day use without killing battery too soon.
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Not exactly. Technology is fair bit different there afaik. Also, them batteries cost thousands, Anker costs a tenner.
Purpose of this thread is not how to preserve battery longest, but how to get best performance day to day use without killing battery too soon.
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Cool as you know my topic was closed most of issues have been solved although battery life remain in progress. If you don't mind I will be happy to post my results from anker here in compare to stockresults as I have plenty screens to compare and both batteries have been use on exactly same setup with same use.
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Yeah, carry on. Just specify wherever you followed advice from the OP or not.
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Yeah, carry on. Just specify wherever you followed advice from the OP or not.
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Mostly. My topic was reopened so I will keep on posting there on regular bases however after week or two when I will finish testing will post my final results and comparison here as well. My topic is already messy so it will be kind of blog on testing battery life and because this one is clear and nice I will just upload screens with final results.
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Good lad. I like your style, seems very sensible
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Mostly. My topic was reopened so I will keep on posting there on regular bases however after week or two when I will finish testing will post my final results and comparison here as well. My topic is already messy so it will be kind of blog on testing battery life and because this one is clear and nice I will just upload screens with final results.
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Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, so also does the depth of discharge (DoD) determine the cycle count. The smaller the depth of discharge, the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid frequent full discharges and charge more often between uses. If full discharges cannot be avoided, try utilizing a larger battery. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery.
Source:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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Yes I will still do my 5 full charge, discharge cycles to calibrate stats nicely but then I will try to replace my batteries before they are gone, reading that convinced me that there is no point on doing this to often, at the end of the day, how big can be impact of software stats on battery life? With this article you can clearly see that way you charge it does have massive impact. I'm not arguing that proper calibration etc. does not have it but still don't think it is that much as this article reviled.
Thanks!
Bad battery stats might simply shut down your phone before it should (say you might still have 20% left but phone thinks battery is empty).
Again, I'll repeat myself, I'll sacrifice £12 battery for the sake of having phone running longer any time, but main purpose of this thread is how to get most out of battery without sacrificing It's longevity too much too soon.
Let's not go down the route where people argue about how to preserve battery from dying for 10 years, its not the point.
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Know your battery & maximize it [Lithium-Ion]
I understand each has it's own way of fighting this never-ending battle, since battery is something we can never have enough of. It's always good to squeeze an hour more or prolong the healthy live of a battery as much as possible. Some are lucky to have removable battery so we can replace it with ease, while others with uni-body design smartphones are pretty much stuck (unless you wanna spend some relatively big bucks) with the one their phone came with. So maintaining it is quite important.
"There is no black and white in the battery field, only many shades of gray. The battery behaves much like us folks — it’s a black box with a mind and mood of its own; it’s mystical and unexplainable. For some users, the battery causes no problems at all; for others it’s nothing but a problem."
Isidor Bauchmann
Anyways, let me share you my way of taking care of a battery and my settings that I use to extend battery life as much as possible (my Screen on Time SS bellow). Again, it is the way i use, operate. It's far from perfect.
Disclaimer: I am not an expert on batteries nor Android, it's simply knowledge/info what I gathered through my time with Android smartphones. Everything I know I read somewhere (article on net or post right here on XDA or some other forum.) Nothing you'll see here is my credit!
First I'm going to cover maintenance (charging), then my software setup, and lastly a way of "calibrating" a battery.
1. MAINTAINING Li-Ion battery
Let me just say there are many theories out there about how to maintain a battery. I've seen many times that you should charge the to max (100%) and discharge them to min (0%) as batteries have so called "memory", thus you wan't to fully charge&discharge so that battery doesn't get "lazy" or rigid. This is just wrong. Misconceptions like that are very common! Some guy even said it was written in product manual when he bought a video camera back in 2005. Guess that Canon just printed "common" knowledge back in 2005.
The fact is, batteries are prone to age due to corrosion! We can influence that ageing with proper care...
The fact is that you should keep your battery state between 20-80%... Charging your battery to 100% and discharging it to 0% is considered stressful for the battery. Also, fast-charging is not the best way of charging. Pushing higher voltage is also more stressful for the battery and chemical reactions within, than charging it with lower voltage. Yes, "fast-charge" with higher voltage will speed up the Stage 1 of a charge and reach 70% of a charge quicker, but Stage 2 - saturation charge will take longer. If you are in a hurry and need some juice, that's good and comes in handy. New devices like Note4, Nexus6 and others promote fast-charge and brag how fast can you charge your phone to 70% (like just in 35 minutes you'll reach 70%). You might notice that in-fact phone says 70% when you unplug your phone from the charger, but battery will probably also drop faster than normal. That is because Stage 1 was complete in a very short time, but Stage 2 (saturation charge) never kicked in.
But as said, full charge is not even preferable for Li-Ion based batteries. I'd say you should make a full charge when you know your day will be long. But if possible, on a daily basis you should keep the battery level from 20-80%. That way you won't put battery through much stress and prolong overall battery life. Also, using a lower amped/voltage charging is preferable. I often charge my phone with computer via USB cable. It takes 4 hours or even more to charge my Note 3, but this way it is way less stressful for the battery. Some battery manufacturers intentionally limit chargers to stop charging after Stage1, to prolong overall battery life.
Also, when battery is charging it heats up and battery gets agitated so battery readings can be a little off. It needs to cool down so it reaches equilibrium and battery readings will be accurate again. This might sometimes explain why battery seems to unreasonably drop and after some light usage it stays on certain percentage or drop with normal rate... (battery level readings can be accurate to certain extent....)
So to sum up: slow charge and keeping battery percentage off of extremes are 2 things your battery will appreciate...
Also, temperature is also an enemy. We'll get to that in 2nd topic below.
2. MY SOFTWARE/HARDWARE Setup
First of all, a base for a good battery life is good ROM and battery efficient kernel. If those are bad, you'll have hard time (maybe even impossible) to reach a good run. I happen to use @temasek ROM & kernel that happen to be very battery efficient.
If you are root, you should take that advantage and install some apps that will help you with battery life.
I (and many others...) use these:
- wakelock detector
- faux clock ,
- Battery Stats plus,
- and Better battery Stats for keeping an eye on apps that eat your battery the most.
You can use wakelock detector to see if there is any app that is preventing your phone to go to deep sleep thus draining your battery by keeping CPU at a higher rate. If you have a wakelock blocker built in your ROM great, if not you can try wakelock terminator. I haven't tried it as it is a built-in function in Temasek's ROM. Also, i think i shouldn't be even mentioning how much of a battery hog a display is. Keep your brightness as low as possible, turn Wi-Fi on when you need it as well as data connection, GPS and NFC. I only turn those on when needed.
There's also well known myth about clearing Recent's from RAM. Don't do that. Re-loading apps from storage to RAM over and over again is time & electricity (battery) consuming. Keep those apps in RAM, Android does hell of a good job managing it. It's not like Windows environment (or any OS for devices with unlimited electrical supply - not battery driven). Good cellphone reception is also worth mentioning. Avoid areas with low reception as phone tends to constantly search for new cell towers with better receptions - huge battery hog.
The second one is a kernel tweaker. There are plenty out there. I use this one (a good purchase, one of the best i've done) as it has a ton of options. I think the best way of sharing my settings is via Screen Shots. They are attached below.
Sure there are plenty of options to tailor to your needs. Choosing a suitable governor for your needs is essential, however there are some settings i (and many others) would advise you to stick to.
CPU Hotplug intelliplug (instead of stock MPDecison)
Intellithermal Thermall manager (instead of stock one) + lowering Temperature as seen in SS below
Battery Throtling with values seen in SS below
Here is where you can limit your battery to reach higher temperatures than healthy level. If your battery gets too hot while charging (or use) you should unplug the charger (or discontinue heavy task). Not only for the sake of battery but phone overall...
There are other apps that prolong (or at least say that they do) like Greenefy (probably the most efficient one, and loved one by most users), battery saver and others..... I do not use those.
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3. "CALIBRATING" BATTERY
I put that in quotation marks as it is not (at least i haven't found) scientifically confirmed. However, from time to time i tend to preform this treatment... As stated before, fully charging&discharging is not the top-best treatment for batteries. It lasts longer in a short term but shortens it's healthy life in long term. But from time to time i do put my battery to this stressful cycle. It could be a placebo effect not really helping at all... Even more, as stated above, fully charging and discharging is not advised because it puts battery through a lot of stress!
Drain the battery complitely flat (phone shuts itself down)
Put your AC cord in and let it charge for arround 3 hours while phone is OFF
Unplug and turn your phone ON
Let it rest for some half an hours (don't use it, you don't want to put too much stress to battery))
Put AC kable back in and charge it for another 30 minutes or so
"Super-charging" your phone like that ought to calibrate your battery. This shouldn't be done on a regular basis as you put your battery level to extreme thus stressing it.... As said, it is unconfirmed method but i tend to do it from time to time (once every 2 months).
Again, this is something that has not been tested. It might be a placebo or smth. However, here is the source: http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one-s/174458-how-calibrate-battery.html
This method is for nickel cadmium batteries who suffer memory effect. Thanks to reddit user r/Saicotic for informing about my misinformation.
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This is it. This is what i've learned about batteries and how i do it. It is by no means a perfect set-up! Please let me know if you know about a better set-up (kernel tweaks), any good app or any other info on how to extend battery life.... Please let me (us) know.
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Main source of info: http://batteryuniversity.com/
Screen shots in a .rar file if you can't open those...
Thanks for this, but I can't make out pics on mobile?
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Thanks for this, but I can't make out pics on mobile?
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You can't see them? Do you see at least thumbnail?
I've added a .rar file to download...
I see them, but too blurry to make out info
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Weird, i can see them just fine on my phone, as well does my friend. Well, i've attached HQ photos in a form of rar file.
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I see them, but too blurry to make out info
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Click on the image and you got 2 options. 1st is view in gallery
2nd is follow the link.
Choose 2nd one and image will be opened in the browser. It is so clear and original images that were uploaded.
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Click on the image and you got 2 options. 1st is view in gallery
2nd is follow the link.
Choose 2nd one and image will be opened in the browser. It is so clear and original images that were uploaded.
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No, I don't get 2 options, they open like the pic I posted, but ty
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ryanrazer said:
Also, fast-charging is not the best way of charging. Pushing higher voltage is also more stressful for the battery and chemical reactions within, than charging it with lower voltage. Yes, "fast-charge" with higher voltage will speed up the Stage 1 of a charge and reach 70% of a charge quicker, but Stage 2 - saturation charge will take longer. If you are in a hurry and need some juice, that's good and comes in handy. New devices like Note4, Nexus6 and others promote fast-charge and brag how fast can you charge your phone to 70% (like just in 35 minutes you'll reach 70%). You might notice that in-fact phone says 70% when you unplug your phone from the charger, but battery will probably also drop faster than normal. That is because Stage 1 was complete in a very short time, but Stage 2 (saturation charge) never kicked in.
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Actually, this point is currently in contention among material scientists.
I think most li-ion cells in mobile devices are probably geared toward 1.2A or higher. Charging via USB at 0.5A is probably detrimental in the way Chueh et al describe. I agree fast-charging to top-off battery is probably suboptimal due to heat generation, but I'm current students indicate fast-charging at reasonable temperatures is better than slow-charging in general. Slow-charging does yield greater charge saturation, which is the most likely contributor to lithium salt precipitation.
Fast charging at 2.4A probably isn't too bad, as long as you keep temperatures reasonable. The only reason you shouldn't top off at 2.4A is because your battery will saturate but will continue charging due to voltage delay. Thus, heat is generated as a direct result of excess charge (inherent to li-ion). However, modern fast-charging adapters and devices will reduce current when the battery nears full saturation. It's possible that devices using hacked fast-charging don't realize attenuation and thus unexpectedly shorten battery lifespan.
I use Amplify (xposed module) which I can recommend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/mod-nlpunbounce-reduce-nlp-wakelocks-t2853874
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What does this mean. Did the phone crash
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there is no 2 option for me
Mo.
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samrox144 said:
What does this mean. Did the phone crash
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Phone had a restart, if you did not do anything on your own.
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In short: I think your battery is fine.
In long: Batteries are incredibly complex units, with slight allowable tolerances on the actual total mAh charge the battery can hold. I don't know the tolerances these batteries are built to, but they are not exactly 2300 mAh. I don't use the app you took a screen-shot of and the numbers aren't explained, so they mean nothing to me. I have no idea what they are trying to tell me, though I could make some assumptions that are probably wrong to some extent.
Also, an important thing to remember about lithium batteries is they do not tolerate a full discharge. This will damage the battery (irreparably). OEM's implement a floor at somewhere around 5-10% battery charge to prevent the consumer from either accidentally or intentionally fully discharging the battery. This is why the device will boot up on a low battery (after low battery shutdown). But it will immediately initiate shutdown again to prevent battery damage (or at least limit it). There is a great thread about lithium batteries in phones here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168036. The point I'm making here is that app will never show a complete 2300 mAh of battery usage because the batteries circuitry will not allow it. So, if I understand that apps numbers correctly your battery capacity is probably ok.
Keep in mind this post was by a 3rd party and not a battery engineer, but most of the advice is pretty sound (I'm not a battery engineer either, but I am a Mechanical Engineer and most of his comments pass a sanity check).
Thanks for the long reply. I'm puzzled by this really because my SOT is barely 2.5 hours on a good day. I currently lack a SIM (waiting on one) and I have been just using airplane mode with WiFi on. My drain with screen off is somewhere around 2%. I am running M rooted with elementalx and I have a -50mv under clock across the board. I'm also using the conservative governor at the moment. I have greenified everything except Facebook and my last power cycle only showed the screen, system and WiFi as the only things consuming battery. My screen brightness is cranked way down. On battery I can pretty much see it dropping at a rate of 30%/hr with the screen on. If I under clock to 1.2ghz I get closer to 20%/hr. Currently I can't even get through a 16 hour day with light usage. I'm reading consistent reports of 4-5 hour SOTs with some power conservation and frankly I don't know what more I could do other than under clock to 500mhz which I must say us pretty laggy. Yeah I know draining to 0 is bad, but it looks like I don't have much choice right now or I could just leave it on charge all day. Awesome. I think I should try swapping the battery. My current problem is finding a good source for a genuine oem battery.
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I think this is the worst battery life I've ever had from a phone. I'm pretty sure my G1 was nowhere near this bad but I do remember eventually moving to an extended battery.
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Hopefully I'm posting in the correct section.
This is just a question I've pondering recently.
Though batteries have come along way since ni-cad days, they are not at the same pace as processors/screens etc.
With phones being ever so slim (manufacturers say by public demand; I have never filled/asked in such a survey. Still prefer thicker phones and more mah capacity),
batteries are mostly sealed due to design/physical restrictions with little, if any air flow.
From these same chemicals, we are now pushing them to charge much faster, mostly just by increasing a controlled current, thus making the batteries heat up much more so, thereby possibly damaging them.
So, my question is, with all the 'marketing and spin' about faster charging abilities and such, do you think battery longevity is much shorter than what it use to be?
The old advice was that, charging at a lower current, with longer duration prolongs battery life and perhaps longer hours of usage.
I haven't put my phone through any real tests, but it does charge with the supplied quick 2 charger and maxes out at 1.8A.
I have charged with an older 800mah charger and I feel the battery lasts a bit longer or could possibly be a placebo. Real tests would need to be conducted.
My only real knowledge would be my sanyo/panansonic eneloops. When charged at 700mah, they last noticeably longer than charging at 1.5A.
I would hope longevity would be better too.
I would hope this applies to phone batteries too, though the eneloops having better heat dissipation, it can't be too far off, can it?
What do you guys think. Are we being blind side somewhat, at the expense of speed and super thin, non-replaceable batteries? (marketing spin perhaps).
Note - I am in no way a tech guru or have conducted through research. Just my own experience and thinking. Thx
Is fast charging on the S7 ok for the battery or it damages it by time ? I mean i want my phone to hold on for at least 3 years.
Should i disable this option to increase the total battery health ?
With or without fast charging...batterys dont last 3 years.
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With or without fast charging...batterys dont last 3 years.
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Umm yes they do... They last way longer than that actually. They just won't have the capability to hold the full charge amount (in mAh) anymore.
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Umm yes they do... They last way longer than that actually. They just won't have the capability to hold the full charge amount (in mAh) anymore.
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It may not have dawned on you yet but that battery does not "hold the full charge amount (in mAh) anymore" is in most users mind the very definition of "my f****** battery is gone"!
With the all the pressure on the manufacturers to make the batteries small and the urge to build faster units the usable battery lifespan takes a hit. Even a 20% shorter battery charge time feels frustrating when heavy users may already struggle to make it last a full day with some phones.
So, "way longer than that" (3 years)…? I don’t think so!
So as a conclusion should I DISABLE FAST CHARGING OR NOT?
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So as a conclusion should I DISABLE FAST CHARGING OR NOT?
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I have never heard anyone being able to prove fast charging causing shortened battery life. There are a lot of guessing around, but the only difference I have seen is that the phone gets slightly warmer to the touch both after fast charging with cable and wireless. Not so hot so that I would suspect damage. After all, since the charging ends a lot faster the total amount of heat surely isn't higher than that with slow charging. Using the phone will sometimes make it warmer than this.
One could perhaps suspect a higher risk for fire with fast charging, but there is no proof for that either.
The choice is yours!
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So as a conclusion should I DISABLE FAST CHARGING OR NOT?
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If you want battery to last longer you do not need to disable anything, instead follow these steps
1. Charge battery to 80 - 85% and not 100%. Stop leaving it overnight.
2. Don't let it fall to 0%, keep it between 20 - 80% charge.
3. Do use phone while charging. You do not want battery heating up.
4. Top up the battery in between your day but keep it within the range above.
5. Keep phone away from to much subglight or warm temperatures. Heat is the biggest enemy of Li-on batteries.
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If you want battery to last longer you do not need to disable anything, instead follow these steps
1. Charge battery to 80 - 85% and not 100%. Stop leaving it overnight.
2. Don't let it fall to 0%, keep it between 20 - 80% charge.
3. Do use phone while charging. You do not want battery heating up.
4. Top up the battery in between your day but keep it within the range above.
5. Keep phone away from to much subglight or warm temperatures. Heat is the biggest enemy of Li-on batteries.
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This might have been true many years ago for on old generation of batteries and phones, not for the batteries and smart phones of today. You cannot damage the battery by over charge, there is automatic over charge protection.
You equally cannot do harm to the battery by using it all the way down. There is protection against this also. The system will sense when it is approaching the level that will do any damage at all to the battery and shut down.
No need to worry, just use your phone. There is nothing you can do to make the battery better or worse!
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This might have been true many years ago for on old generation of batteries and phones, not for the batteries and smart phones of today. You cannot damage the battery by over charge, there is automatic over charge protection.
You equally cannot do harm to the battery by using it all the way down. There is protection against this also. The system will sense when it is approaching the level that will do any damage at all to the battery and shut down.
No need to worry, just use your phone. There is nothing you can do to make the battery better or worse!
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So i can enable fast charge and full charge/discharge the phone without any risk?
gerhard_wa said:
This might have been true many years ago for on old generation of batteries and phones, not for the batteries and smart phones of today. You cannot damage the battery by over charge, there is automatic over charge protection.
You equally cannot do harm to the battery by using it all the way down. There is protection against this also. The system will sense when it is approaching the level that will do any damage at all to the battery and shut down.
No need to worry, just use your phone. There is nothing you can do to make the battery better or worse!
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No you are getting it wrong. Don't leave overnight not because it over charges but the fact that you don't want to go upto 100%. Plus everytime you go to 0 battery loses it one cycle. Whatever I say is based on Google research and latest research so it still holds true. For battery longevity never take it to extreme and avoid heating it.
RootNightmareX said:
So i can enable fast charge and full charge/discharge the phone without any risk?
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You should Google or see YouTube videos. What I advise you is based on that research. Almost 99% people advise what I said. Rest is upto you.
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takerhbk said:
No you are getting it wrong. Don't leave overnight not because it over charges but the fact that you don't want to go upto 100%. Plus everytime you go to 0 battery loses it one cycle. Whatever I say is based on Google research and latest research so it still holds true. For battery longevity never take it to extreme and avoid heating it.
You should Google or see YouTube videos. What I advise you is based on that research. Almost 99% people advise what I said. Rest is upto you.
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So the most recommanded tips are: stay at 25-75% battery and try to not heat battery and disable fast charge?
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So the most recommanded tips are: stay at 25-75% battery and try to not heat battery and disable fast charge?
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Disable fast charging if it heats up your battery too much. Otherwise no need.
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gerhard_wa said:
It may not have dawned on you yet but that battery does not "hold the full charge amount (in mAh) anymore" is in most users mind the very definition of "my f****** battery is gone"!
With the all the pressure on the manufacturers to make the batteries small and the urge to build faster units the usable battery lifespan takes a hit. Even a 20% shorter battery charge time feels frustrating when heavy users may already struggle to make it last a full day with some phones.
So, "way longer than that" (3 years)…? I don’t think so!
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That is a generalization based upon nothing but your personal opinion. All I said is that batteries absolutely last longer than 3 years.
Try this app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery&hl=pt_PT
It gives information about charge/discharge and also battery health based on your use.