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I have a MTCD GS (Xtrons) unit for my Audi (PF75ATTAR). This is a RK3188 unit with Android 5.1. I have installed Malaysk's latest 12.6 ROM for this however I expect this is the last ROM he will be releasing for this platform.
The unit is a bit slow, however the MicroG version of Malaysk's ROM speeds things up. But I still think its time for a replacement.
I am trying to decide on whether to get a PX3 or a PX5 based unit. Both seem to be popular and Malaysk has current ROMs for both. I like the idea of Android 7.1.
Just wondering whether anyone has had or has both currently and their experience/comparison?
Is it worth just replacing the SoM for a PX5 board since the actual head unit hardware is the same?
Andy
ADB100 said:
I have a MTCD GS (Xtrons) unit for my Audi (PF75ATTAR). This is a RK3188 unit with Android 5.1. I have installed Malaysk's latest 12.6 ROM for this however I expect this is the last ROM he will be releasing for this platform.
The unit is a bit slow, however the MicroG version of Malaysk's ROM speeds things up. But I still think its time for a replacement.
I am trying to decide on whether to get a PX3 or a PX5 based unit. Both seem to be popular and Malaysk has current ROMs for both. I like the idea of Android 7.1.
Just wondering whether anyone has had or has both currently and their experience/comparison?
Is it worth just replacing the SoM for a PX5 board since the actual head unit hardware is the same?
Andy
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Nobody?
ADB100 said:
I have a MTCD GS (Xtrons) unit for my Audi (PF75ATTAR). This is a RK3188 unit with Android 5.1. I have installed Malaysk's latest 12.6 ROM for this however I expect this is the last ROM he will be releasing for this platform.
The unit is a bit slow, however the MicroG version of Malaysk's ROM speeds things up. But I still think its time for a replacement.
I am trying to decide on whether to get a PX3 or a PX5 based unit. Both seem to be popular and Malaysk has current ROMs for both. I like the idea of Android 7.1.
Just wondering whether anyone has had or has both currently and their experience/comparison?
Is it worth just replacing the SoM for a PX5 board since the actual head unit hardware is the same?
Andy
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I'd say px5 with 4gb ram. If you can't find one then 2gb ram.
Because they are making an Android Oreo build for px5.
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Try @Hal9k_'s ROM, use the microG settings, its easily the best and fastest RK3188/PX3 ROM.
Hes even made the Nougat ROM from the RK3188/PX3 Nougat SoMs work on the 1Gb version, although its not as fast as his Lollipop ROM and is just the standard Nougat ROM (rooted), made to work non Lolliop units, he is working on a custom Nougat version that will work on both 1Gb and 2Gb RK3188/PX3 units.
However, you could probably very easily remove gapps and replace with microG yourself to make it faster, theres a guide for doing it (to Lollipop units) in the forum, just removing about 5 apps and installing microG.
Of course a 2 or 4GB RK3368/PX5 will be faster and newer, but @Hal9k_'s ROM will give your old unit a new lease of life.
I can't recommend the px5 for the unstable rom and no improvement in an year.
I haven't tried the others (px3) but even slower hardware is better with stable software.
I'm also disappointed about the functionality in general, you can't set stay on without ignition and go to sleep after half an hour, there is no low voltage shutoff, the device drains the battery well below 10 Volts and goes in an reset loop at low voltages disturbing other can bus devices some till some failure. Switched off by power button still takes nearly full current.
Not a device to put in an car overall.
iwl said:
I can't recommend the px5 for the unstable rom and no improvement in an year.
I haven't tried the others (px3) but even slower hardware is better with stable software.
I'm also disappointed about the functionality in general, you can't set stay on without ignition and go to sleep after half an hour, there is no low voltage shutoff, the device drains the battery well below 10 Volts and goes in an reset loop at low voltages disturbing other can bus devices some till some failure. Switched off by power button still takes nearly full current.
Not a device to put in an car overall.
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I decided on a PX5 board with 32GB ROM 2GB RAM which took only a couple of weeks to arrive from China (Witson) and its working fine in my MTCD(now E) GS unit. The hardware behaviour is exactly the same as it was with the PX3 board (which I would expect as I haven't changed the MTCE hardware). The unit powers off with no ignition (as it did previously which I don't see as an issue?) and I don't have battery drain. I can only think you have it wired wrong or you have faulty hardware?
I installed Malaysk's 6.2 ROM and have installed my own apps and its all good. I have issues with the integration with the car (CANBUS) but these are exactly the same as they were with the PX3 - I don't think anything but new firmware for CANBUS decoder will fix these issues.
Andy
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I can't recommend the px5 for the unstable rom and no improvement in an year.
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Here I tend to partially agree. However Android 8 might be available as custom ROM on PX5/2GB/4GB units soon. There are official Android 8 preinstalled PX5/4GB boards available already but it's still not clear whether we can upgrade PX5 2GB SoM and the PX5 4GB SoM which were shipped with Android 6. Probably this will be sorted out soon.
What kind of instabilities are you referring to in particular?
I am asking since my PX5 with stock KLD ROM from November 2017 is quite stable. At least no app crashes and similar issues. Despite the famous Google Maps hanging which seem to be mainly related to Google Maps code itself and there is a work-around for it.
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I'm also disappointed about the functionality in general, you can't set stay on without ignition and go to sleep after half an hour, there is no low voltage shutoff, the device drains the battery well below 10 Volts and goes in an reset loop at low voltages disturbing other can bus devices some till some failure. Switched off by power button still takes nearly full current.
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Not sure what would cause this. My unit enters standby immediately after ignition is off. Then it kills all applications to avoid any background process waking the device (which is btw. the root cause for some app issues). In Standby mode my device draws very little power. I didn't have a single issue even after the unit being on standby for more than a week when the car was not in use. If concerned you might connect a battery watchdog in between the unit and the car so when voltage drops below a certain treshold it would cut-off the head unit from power.
If the unit would have such a battery watchdog implemented that would of course be great but I guess the units were built to keep a certain price range and in most cases such a watchdog is not required.
Though I understood that some cars do not have an ignition trigger any more but get their power-on signal on canbus. Here I could imagine that the canbus adapter perhaps need additional power to listen to canbus wakeup events. Not sure about this scenario though as my car has an ignition cable connected to the head unit.
I fully agree to the "unable to turn on when ignition is off" issue. This is usually possible with factory head units but MTCD/MTCE units seem to be mostly unable to be powered on without ignition. The only work-around I can currently imagine is to mount a switch which shorts battery+ to ignition input on the head unit which would allow you to manually power it up. Also such a switch can be combined with a small electronic timer. So it would be medium difficulty to mount a button which pulls on the ignition line on the head unit to 12V for 30 minutes and then resets. Still a pity it's not built in I agree.
iwl said:
I can't recommend the px5 for the unstable rom and no improvement in an year.
I haven't tried the others (px3) but even slower hardware is better with stable software.
I'm also disappointed about the functionality in general, you can't set stay on without ignition and go to sleep after half an hour, there is no low voltage shutoff, the device drains the battery well below 10 Volts and goes in an reset loop at low voltages disturbing other can bus devices some till some failure. Switched off by power button still takes nearly full current.
Not a device to put in an car overall.
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You ignition/sleep problems will be down to your car and/or the CAN Bus decoder, not the stereo, as will whether the unit can be powered on or off with the ignition on.
I ve not heard of anyone saying the ROM is "unstable" before. In fact I ve not heard of any of your problems before, only the GPS bug and the BT/mic probs which you dont mention.
It sounds to me like your stereo has not been installed properly.
Many are just lacking deeper technical knowledge to see that problems I have investigated.
Or try to fix it with cooling fans.
I have a original mercedes radio having the missing features it is just a matter of proper engineering.
Yes it is not android computer I would like to have but not crashing every hour and at the end the car distracted by.
Don't tell it works just count the posts.
So by now I've mentioned a few times already how awful my experience with the ram management has been.
If I have chrome open I can go look for something on other app and when I come back chrome will be wiped out of memory.
This is for me a normal everyday use of my phone, I'm not trying to look to some absurd way of doing speed tests or whatsoever.
This videos is based on something that happened today.
Scenario: I had music playing on GPM, I was browsing the web, and somebody answered to me on a Dutch forum asking why I thought the G7 haptics were so awesome (and yes it is), so I wanted to go to the camera app so I could just confirm what parts of the software would have a feedback attached to it after playing a bit I accidentally pressed the shutter button, at this moment the music stream should lower the volume for the shutter sound, well the music simply stopped and GPM was force killed, and so was chrome .
It isn't lack of ram, 4GB is more than enough for a flagship phone to work, besides the phone reports having over 400MB of free memory.
What have I done so far:
-Because after I got the phone I got an OTA update, I actually did a full reinstall via LG bridge and a software reset
-10f update was also done via LG bridge
-I have kept the installed apps at a minimum, and no app shows excessive ram or battery usage.
https://youtu.be/o5gs1n13jt0
Could it just be that you have a faulty? Because I never get this kind of app killing
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Could it just be that you have a faulty? Because I never get this kind of app killing
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I assure you, his device isn't defective.
I find the app killing to be MUCH stronger than I was used to after two years on the OnePlus 3. (A wonderful, smooth device, even two years later! Yes, I still miss it.) I was thinking it was the drop from 6 to 4GB of RAM, but it just isn't taking them out of RAM, it's entirely background killing apps from the recents list too. I used to have apps in my recents list I hadn't opened for WEEKS on the OnePlus. So I'm also inclined to believe it's aggressive RAM management on LG's part.
It's not unliveable for me, but definitely noticed, and a bit shocking that a flagship two years newer isn't as good in pretty much any respect as something 'budget' from two years back.
LG bloat and everything is terrible on this device. I wish when they release the android one G7 that they make it available to install on the flagship G7.
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I find the app killing to be MUCH stronger than I was used to after two years on the OnePlus 3. (A wonderful, smooth device, even two years later! Yes, I still miss it.) I was thinking it was the drop from 6 to 4GB of RAM, but it just isn't taking them out of RAM, it's entirely background killing apps from the recents list too. I used to have apps in my recents list I hadn't opened for WEEKS on the OnePlus. So I'm also inclined to believe it's aggressive RAM management on LG's part.
It's not unliveable for me, but definitely noticed, and a bit shocking that a flagship two years newer isn't as good in pretty much any respect as something 'budget' from two years back.
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And what version of Android were you running before on the OP3? Just curious...
I also can assure you that this is Not normal! I get nothing like this on my G7. I can multitask between many many apps all day long and none close, music plays no matter what etc etc
No problems here either, I migrated from my old phone yesterday and had 110 apps installing and configuring them. No unwanted force closing as far as I could see, listened to YT Music for a long time and no glitch, all notifications works just fine. I'm on 10f.
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And what version of Android were you running before on the OP3? Just curious...
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It was (is) on Android 8.0. We got it on the OP3 last year. They're skipping 8.1 and going straight to 9.0 on them though .. and that'll be the last official update for the 3/3T series. But they're unlocked and really easy to flash, so the ROM community will look after future Android versions for quite some time I'd imagine. The specs of those phones will keep them going strong for a long time. Basically until something fails catastrophically.
I'm hoping LG will be a BIT timely with updates to the G7 ThinQ. They really don't have a great reputation for it though, so I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe the next update (10g) will fix it.
I'm having problems with the poor ram management too. I used to have an xperia XZ Premium with same 4gb of ram where i never encountered these ram problems.
I've yet debloated the G7 which improved but didn't improve to a satisfying point. Has anyone tried some of the ram booster apps and do any of them work as expected?
Greets
I had this issue with the HTC U11 on stock. It was just a complete pain. So, I installed the latest unofficial Lineage ROM on it and it's been working pretty well since. I don't currently have this problem on my g7 yet.
Hey all,
I just bought a pumpkin android octo core, 4GB ram Android 8 head unit.
This isn't my first android HU. So some quick thoughts...
Very nice they gave a good WiFi antenna with the included kit.
This unit has something odd about it that I need some guidance on... it supports some super fast boot up where if I put the igntion on , the unit is ready to go in a second.
I wonder is this a battery built into the unit? Is it using some large capacitor (tested at least 1hr after shutdown, bootup took 1 second) I very much hope it's not draining the car battery (old android head unit never did).
Everything seems lightning fast on this unit. I can finally even use Google assistant. I sort of could with the last Joying one, but it was just too slow to be practical... as was waiting 5 minutes to be able to use the GPS.
This is literally day zero, as in I just got it a few hours ago so I'll be updating this and testing anything people want me to test later... but I have one other issue and that is that there seems to be a slight hissing sound coming from the unit .. .even with the levels turned way down in the factory settings app... not sure what's causing that but it's a bit of an issue while there's no music playing / not driving around.
Some pics of course :
I got it from Amazon. Cost me £250 on-sale.
The sleep mode you're talking about is the "Auto" setting in the sleep settings menu, I think it's under the "Extra Settings" menu entry. It basically keeps the unit on in a low power mode indefinitely until it gets a 12v+ signal on the red wire behind the radio. During this time though, it's still drawing from your vehicle's battery. Unless your car has a low capacity battery or other charging system issues, it shouldn't be a problem for you. I've left my truck sitting for over a week with the radio in sleep mode and it fired right up to whatever screen I left it on.
Since this is your first unit, don't get hung up on brand names. All of these units are basically either a PX3 or a PX5, and the roms and programs you'll find on these boards are broken down based on what processor is in it. Theres a dozen different brand names, but they're all basically the same three units.
Thanks Hazard15301 it's good to know. I travel a lot for work and often leave my car in airport car parks for weeks. It has a good AGM battery so I guess I should be ok.
from what i can tell, that box is actually the design Erisin uses on their boxes. and the headunit im pretty sure is a Klyde. what is the MCU version on it?
I left my car for well over a week with my unit in 'sleep' mode. Started up no problem
Hi, how did you download Google Assistant onto the pumpkin head unit? And can it work just like the phone - playing specific songs in Spotify etc? Thanks.
Google assistant is built-in to the android OS on it. Just enable it and say "OK Google". It can do anything you can do on your phone (although i'm now having trouble with it making phone calls because it thinks it's a phone.. on my old unit it would just bluetooth to the phone and make the call ... the new one won't make calls for some reason - haven't had time to figure out why yet) ... very happy with this unit. This is what Android head units should be like. Everything works, and it's fast.
Thank you very much for the quick reply!
Is the Google assistant an app on its own in the HU? Do I have to click the app first in order to say “ok Google”?
Or can I be on any screen and say “ok Google” and it’ll work?
thanks!
imogenheap said:
Thank you very much for the quick reply!
Is the Google assistant an app on its own in the HU? Do I have to click the app first in order to say “ok Google”?
Or can I be on any screen and say “ok Google” and it’ll work?
thanks!
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It's already there, installed as part of the OS, but you have to enable it.
open the Google app (again, built in / pre-installed)
At the bottom right, tap More More and then Settings and then Voice.
Under "Okay Google," tap Voice match.
Turn on Access with voice match.
It's not a separate app, it's just in the "google" app (it's just literally called Google on mine)
Once you enable it ... you can just say "OK Google" from any screen ... you don't have to press anything / open any app first.
For some reason I have to set my language to English US (I'm British) otherwise it says English UK isn't supported.
Cheers
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Hello, I know this is an old post, however i would like to know how your Pumpkin stereo has held up? Even if you no longer have the head unit or you sold your car, what was your thoughts during the time you had it?
I am considering putting one in my VW Jetta, as i noticed you also had it in a VW and would appreciate your input?
Thanks in advance
lordxenu said:
Hey all,
I just bought a pumpkin android octo core, 4GB ram Android 8 head unit.
This isn't my first android HU. So some quick thoughts...
Very nice they gave a good WiFi antenna with the included kit.
This unit has something odd about it that I need some guidance on... it supports some super fast boot up where if I put the igntion on , the unit is ready to go in a second.
I wonder is this a battery built into the unit? Is it using some large capacitor (tested at least 1hr after shutdown, bootup took 1 second) I very much hope it's not draining the car battery (old android head unit never did).
Everything seems lightning fast on this unit. I can finally even use Google assistant. I sort of could with the last Joying one, but it was just too slow to be practical... as was waiting 5 minutes to be able to use the GPS.
This is literally day zero, as in I just got it a few hours ago so I'll be updating this and testing anything people want me to test later... but I have one other issue and that is that there seems to be a slight hissing sound coming from the unit .. .even with the levels turned way down in the factory settings app... not sure what's causing that but it's a bit of an issue while there's no music playing / not driving around.
Some pics of course :
I got it from Amazon. Cost me £250 on-sale.
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zapper_master said:
Hello, I know this is an old post, however i would like to know how your Pumpkin stereo has held up? Even if you no longer have the head unit or you sold your car, what was your thoughts during the time you had it?
I am considering putting one in my VW Jetta, as i noticed you also had it in a VW and would appreciate your input?
Thanks in advance
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Hi
I still have the headunit, and I'm really happy with it. It has served me very well while i've had it. It has never failed, crashed, slowed down etc and I've never needed to mess around with custom ROMs or anything. I can still install apps from the play store etc. Waze works perfectly, as does google maps.
I did purchase poweramp for it and the controls on the steering wheel work just fine too. So I would still recommend it. This is my second android headunit and it's so much better than my first Joying one stuck on android 5 and had only 1GB of RAM and it was sooo slow that GPS was almost unusable. But this one is lightning fast, it goes into standby when you turn off the car so when you turn it back on it's up and running straight away.. no waiting to boot.
The radio is a bit crap though, if that bothers you (I never listen to it) .. it doesn't recieve signals very well and I did hook up the power to the antenna and I did set it to Europe region (where I live) but yeah it doesn't pick up that many channels for some reason but since I either stream music or listen to MP3s from the memory card, i'm not too bothered about that.
One other strange bug, on my old android head unit I could use google assistant / say OK Google and say "Call work" or whomever, and it would dial on my phone. This one seems to think it's a phone , and says that there is no service. But not a big problem, I can press the phone button and just dial .. but it would be nice if I could do it by speaking to it.
Overall, very happy.
Thank you so much for the quick response. Your information is VERY helpful. I do realize none are going to be perfect, but it sounds decent unit for the price. Do you mind sharing what model you got? unless you mentioned it earlier in the thread then i apologize for asking.
lordxenu said:
Hi
I still have the headunit, and I'm really happy with it. It has served me very well while i've had it. It has never failed, crashed, slowed down etc and I've never needed to mess around with custom ROMs or anything. I can still install apps from the play store etc. Waze works perfectly, as does google maps.
I did purchase poweramp for it and the controls on the steering wheel work just fine too. So I would still recommend it. This is my second android headunit and it's so much better than my first Joying one stuck on android 5 and had only 1GB of RAM and it was sooo slow that GPS was almost unusable. But this one is lightning fast, it goes into standby when you turn off the car so when you turn it back on it's up and running straight away.. no waiting to boot.
The radio is a bit crap though, if that bothers you (I never listen to it) .. it doesn't recieve signals very well and I did hook up the power to the antenna and I did set it to Europe region (where I live) but yeah it doesn't pick up that many channels for some reason but since I either stream music or listen to MP3s from the memory card, i'm not too bothered about that.
One other strange bug, on my old android head unit I could use google assistant / say OK Google and say "Call work" or whomever, and it would dial on my phone. This one seems to think it's a phone , and says that there is no service. But not a big problem, I can press the phone button and just dial .. but it would be nice if I could do it by speaking to it.
Overall, very happy.
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zapper_master said:
Thank you so much for the quick response. Your information is VERY helpful. I do realize none are going to be perfect, but it sounds decent unit for the price. Do you mind sharing what model you got? unless you mentioned it earlier in the thread then i apologize for asking.
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No worries, feel free to ask me as many questions about it as you like and i'll try to answer.
With regards to which model,
The amazon listing said "Pumpkin Android 8.0 Car Stereo for VW Golf Passat Polo
4GB RAM Sat Nav Bluetooth Support CD DVD GPS DAB+ WIFI Android Auto"
if i check the about menu on the unit itself it says it's a "PX5"
Thank you I appreciate it. Looks like the internals are all about the same on most models with just small differences.
Enjoy your evening.
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No worries, feel free to ask me as many questions about it as you like and i'll try to answer.
With regards to which model,
The amazon listing said "Pumpkin Android 8.0 Car Stereo for VW Golf Passat Polo
4GB RAM Sat Nav Bluetooth Support CD DVD GPS DAB+ WIFI Android Auto"
if i check the about menu on the unit itself it says it's a "PX5"
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Hey all, first time posting here so please let me know if this isn't the right place. I bought a Joying head unit, and so far it's awesome. I haven't installed it yet but I have been testing it with a DC supply since my engineering school has lots of tools for that kind of stuff.
In the android home screen, everything works awesome. It's smooth, customizable, and is filled with features. It has the CarLink app for Apple Carplay, which is the main reason for buying the headunit, and that unfortunately seems to be the weakest link. The FPS is low, and not smooth at all like I've seen in the videos for Joying head units. This supports wireless carplay, and it's the same performance wired or wireless.
Here's a video showing what's happening:
The lag is also very noticeable when I call Siri, since the bubble that pops up is SUPER choppy and awful to look at. Can anyone tell me if there's a way to fix this? My specific model is the JY-UQB09N4G-H.
On a sidenote, this isn't as important but it's still annoying, but WiFi is off every time I reboot the head unit, even though I turned on the option for turning wifi on after boot in the wifi settings. I'm currently using home wifi to get this thing setup. Is this not an issue if I fast boot in my car when the +12V line is always powered?
Having the same problem on my new 11.6”. Any fixes?
Same here... any fix in the meanwhile?
As soon as i use the "old" Carlinkit adapter, it is smooth as butter since you can set it to 60 FPS.. unfortunately siri does not work with it.
Joying released a new version of their carlink apk last November.
Did you already try that one? first option.
Updated Firmware
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surfer63 said:
Joying released a new version of their carlink apk last November.
Did you already try that one? first option.
Updated Firmware
www.joyingauto.com
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Will try that, thanks!
Theyve also sent me the newest firmware which i couldnt find on the Homepage:
Android 10.0 1280X800 2021.12.23.zip
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12-SR2xh49oj8Ri3aM0eNz5g4XPo5b2ja/view?usp=sharing
for this Device:
Joying 10.1 Inch VW Skoda Seat Autoradio 1280x800 Screen Resolution Head Unit
SKU: JY-VQD10N4G-DAShip From: Chinese/EU WarehouseOS: Android 10.0CPU: Octa Core 1.8GHz. 64-bit high-performance processorRam:LPDDR4 4GB Rom:Samsung 64GB1). 10.1 Inch HD 1280*800 IPS Screen Radio.2). Support Carplay&Android auto, Bluetooth, Navigation, FM Radio, 5GHz WiFi, SPDIF&Optical Digital...
www.joyingauto.eu
I have no clue what the changes are to my 2021.11.16 version.
I will give both options a try and keep you updated
Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
Have you updated or upgraded it, you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
Phones don't slow down for no reason.
If nothing else changed and it's running atypically after a factory reset, the firmware may have been corrupted, reflash same version.
Pre Pie OS's are suspectable to that nasty class of rootkits that can worm out of the user partition. Again reflash it.
Battery, when was it last replaced? If the battery can't sink peak current demands it will cause all manner of trouble. Replace every 1 to 2 years on a heavily used device, routine maintenance.
It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
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Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
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You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
RF Junkey said:
You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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True, limited running apps. Some new phones are shipping now with 6 or 8gb of ram; not enough. 12 or16gb be better.
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Thank you guys for your answers
blackhawk said:
you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
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Haven't understood this, do you mean the bad policies from companies such as slowing down their phones by updates to force users to buy their new phones?
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Battery, when was it last replaced?
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sometime between 1 and 2 years ago. i don't see any problem that relates to battery like random reboots etc. but could they affect performance without random reboots or boot problems?
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It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
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well, last time i remember i dropped the phone was about 2 years ago. one of the annoying problems of my phone is it's front and back panels start getting detached, i got used to it, there is much dust inside the phone, the camera quality has been reduced because of it.
this phone played a gaming PC's role when i didn't have a PC (sometimes i held my phone in front of my fan to stop CPU throttling because of heat).
i too think there might be possible failures.
RF Junkey said:
Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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You're right, but i've experienced problems which were caused by low RAMs. the apps crash when there is no space available in RAM, i had this problem with all other phones. but in this phone i haven't seen such problem(because of RAM) so far even once!
Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
Upgrades, destroyer of worlds
Pre Android 9 have some very serious rootkit vulnerabilities. Android 9 is fairly secure and best left be especially on an older phone.
On my N10+'s I don't do upgrades or updates. Running on Android 9 and 10.
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Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
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Upgrades, destroyer of worlds
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hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Pre Android 9 OS are suspectable to those nasty rootkits that can worm out of the user partition.
A reflash maybe needed to purge it. Security though is largely controlled by the user; no saving dumb bunnies... not even Android 12.
I went from Kitkat to Pie, yeah a little future shock there
Pie runs very well but that's on a N10+ with 12gb of ram. Nominally it uses 5-5.7gb of ram, so on an phone with less ram than that it may impact performance.
Pie has some annoying data app limitations but is reasonably secure, fast, stable and no scoped storage.
I have a second N10+ that's running on Android 10 (it shipped like that) Scoped storage appears to not be fully active. It has close to 100 new Samsung system apps to make it look and function like the Pie load. If that gives you an idea of how badly Google Android is boning developers. Otherwise it's stats are about the same as are appearance and functionality.
Old apps like the 6yo free version of WP Office will run fine in it. However Karma Firewall losses it's valuable logging feature in 10 That seems to be the worst of it.
Android 11 and especially 12 are hogs on the N10+. Scoped storage is fully active along with the endless "do you really want to" permissions.
Might as well have a bloody Apple as use 11 or 12. Functionality and usability take a nose dive along with battery life. Gookill strikes again...
Be warned.
As a result I will remain on Android 9 and 10.
Between Samsung's and Google Android's ball dropping fest I blew off the N20U, S21U and the latest S22U for another N10+, no regrets.
So yeah, you gotta do what works best for you.
I use whatever comes in handy