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...and all the mess has done by... Motorola!
Let's try to make some order, since this is a very important feature of every smartphone and even a LOT of sellers report wrong data too on Moto Z...
Let's start with...
Official data by Motorola
Motorola official position is:
- XT1650-01 (Verizon's Droid edition): single SIM only
- XT1650-05 (mainly Chinese version): double SIM
- XT1650-03 (International version): all single SIM but China (that are -05...), India and Brazil markets where they are officially double SIM.
It seems to be simple.... BUT it is all wrong!!!
Let alone -01 and -05 versions that could be right and concentrate on International XT1650-03... as soon as we go to see some national Motorola.xx web sites things begin to be confused, with some of them (different from China, India and Brazil...) reporting double SIM support or double SIM versions... but this only the beginning.
Real situation
Let's start clarifying a thing: at hardware level all the International XT1650-03 Moto Z provide an "hybrid" double SIM support - where for "hybrid" it's intended that second slot can accomodate a nano SIM *OR* a microSD expansion, a deprecable choice recently done by a lot of manufacturer... - and even a good one, since both SIM can support 4G!
It's only at software level that some of them (a LOT less than what Motorola officially declare...) are "locked" to single SIM support with some different settings and, mainly, providing a single IMEI.
BUT even these have the hybrid SIM tray capable to accomodate two nano SIMs and... yes, they probably could be unlocked to double SIM support too!
There is a thread on Moto X section which explain how to partially unlock double SIM support on that model and which could be applicable here with good chances of success with the only downside of having an IMEI set to 0 for second SIM (preventing some carrier access...), but even for that issue there could be some Xposed modules able to fix that...
BUT the main interest of this thread is to make some order, with a LOT of Moto Z sold for single SIM when in reality they have a complete out-the-box double SIM support (like, but these have to be confirmed, all Italian and Spanish models or the already confirmed Mexican or Nordic EU...) with a double IMEI provided!
What I ask to you here is to post your exact model here (something like SM4xxxAE7xx or SM4xxxAD1xx for EU versions...) and indicate if on the box are reported one or two IMEI numbers (indicating an out-the-box single or double SIM support). :fingers-crossed:
Please post an Answer *AND* partecipate the Poll....
Let's start...!
SM4385AE7B1 UK version: single IMEI
To voters... please post your model and country too...
Model : AP3783AE7K8
Country : India
Dual SIM ; Dual IMEI
GERMANY
XT1650-03
singel IMEI/SIM
Model: SM4430AE7R8
and I would be very glad if it would be possible to use a second sim slot.
I can imagine... take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/dual-sim-support-single-sim-versions-t3482243
Another solution could be change your phone with a French, Spanish and (probably... ) Italian version which are dual sim... they are available on Amazon.fr, .es or .it if not on .de... And mostly ship to Germany.
I (in Italy...) own an LG G2 German version for years without a single issue!
1650-03, with 2 IMEI. Using sd-card at second slot. Sold in Sweden. Nothing mentions dual sim support at the store I bought it though
XT 1650-03 Malaysia version sell official by lenovo in Malaysia.
Dual IMEI number, dual sim 4G LTE
plus SD card.
Where do you got one? In Kuala Lumpur?
Do you have the exact code of model?
Mexico, double SIM ready. I read on this topic than someone said "two SIM plus SD card", is wrong! As far I know is either two SIM or single SIM plus SD card; not one model has two SIM plus SD card
I've same info.
I'm quite sure official Italian models SM4421xxxH1 are dual SIM/dual IMEI too... even if Motorola Italia sells them for single SIM (and a lot of resellers too).
Nobody can confirm this?
all moto z seen in italy have dual imei.
XT 1650-03
Italian sm4421ae7h1
Double imei
XT 1650-03
UK SM4385AE7B1
Single Imei
I checked, but the SD card slot in the tray does not seem to fit a second SIM card
Thank you very much! You are the first to confirm officially that Italian versions are dual sim as I supposed.
Yes, I already knew that UK version are single SIM. The sim tray could be changed I think... (I'm not sure single SIM phones internally are different...) but the lack of second IMEI could be an issue anyway...)
Malaysia version model :AP3775AE7X3
Thank a LOT!
XT 1650-03
Model: SM4430AE7R8
Single IMEI
just did the Dual SIM mod and it works, I assume all Moto Z are dual sim as all have 2x 6 pin SIM contacts.
2nd SIM with IMEI 0 which may not work in all countries, in germany works.
I have a unlocked T-Mobile OnePlus 7 pro which comes with a single SIM card tray. Where can I buy a dual SIM tray foe the phone?
I cannot confirm this… But I believe T-Mobile has a special build for the One +7 pro. I don’t believe it can manage 2 SIMs.
I'm on international Oxygen OS 9.5.6
It's dual sim. Flip it over. The two cards are stacked back to back
yandreev3 said:
It's dual sim. Flip it over. The two cards are stacked back to back
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No. It's not like that. The other side does not hold a SIM card.
dhruv2702 said:
I have a unlocked T-Mobile OnePlus 7 pro which comes with a single SIM card tray. Where can I buy a dual SIM tray foe the phone?
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You could buy one from Amazon just search "OnePlus 7 pro sim tray" it's the second one that I order that gets here on the 7th. I'll let you know if it works or not.
Akumu13 said:
You could buy one from Amazon just search "OnePlus 7 pro sim tray" it's the second one that I order that gets here on the 7th. I'll let you know if it works or not.
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Thanks a lot
I have two 7 pros one from OP and one from TMO, I've swapped sim trays and it does work, but the TMO Variant only has one imei, so if you use them both at the same time just be sure they are on different carriers (most people would be on different carriers anyways) but still be careful because if you were to roam on the other carrier it could have some repercussions.
Purest said:
I have two 7 pros one from OP and one from TMO, I've swapped sim trays and it does work, but the TMO Variant only has one imei, so if you use them both at the same time just be sure they are on different carriers (most people would be on different carriers anyways) but still be careful because if you were to roam on the other carrier it could have some repercussions.
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I have unlocked my phone. So it will be fine right?
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Thanks a lot
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The sim tray came in today, and I can confirm it does work :good:
How does it work? Two sims working the range time? Do you get 5g for the first SIM?
I bought a oneplus 7 pro from someone through offerup
i had an old samsung j7 that had dual sim functionality that i need for work and productivity so when it came time for an upgrade i bought the oneplus as it was advertised as a dual sim phone by the guy who sold it to me.
at the time of purchase, i just opened the settings and saw that it had two sim settings (sim 1 and sim2) and i naturally assumed that it was a dual sim phone.
i also plugged my att sim and figured that it is unlocked. i also did a factory reset and there was no branding for any carrier when i started the device.
therefore i just assumed that this is the unlocked dual sim version.
however, once i got home and tried to put the two sim cards in it and i quickly realized that the sim tray can only fit one sim.
when i called oneplus support about this, they said the phone is designed as single sim and that it was a tmobile phone and thats about all the info they gave me.
i went to tmobile store and they confirmed the phone is unlocked and paid off but they wouldnt help
me any further with the dual sim functionality.
upon quick google search i found a dual sim tray for the phone and ordered it. it is arriving today. I am thinking that all i have to do is just install the new dual sim tray and have dual sims working.
however now that I am looking at the settings more clearly i see that the imei for both sim slot settings are the same.
i checked the firmware on the phone and it seems that guy who sold it to me installed the nonbranded firmware but i am not sure if it is still the tmobile branded firmware. Does the Tmobile firmware startup with the Tmobile logo? how can i know i am running the latest international firmware ?
are the imei numbers the same because it is still on the tmobile firmware?
the build number it reads is 9.5.11.GM21AA
Also, if i pop the two tmobile sims in it, will the device be blacklisted simce they both will have the same imei?
asofan said:
I bought a oneplus 7 pro from someone through offerup
i had an old samsung j7 that had dual sim functionality that i need for work and productivity so when it came time for an upgrade i bought the oneplus as it was advertised as a dual sim phone by the guy who sold it to me.
at the time of purchase, i just opened the settings and saw that it had two sim settings (sim 1 and sim2) and i naturally assumed that it was a dual sim phone.
i also plugged my att sim and figured that it is unlocked. i also did a factory reset and there was no branding for any carrier when i started the device.
therefore i just assumed that this is the unlocked dual sim version.
however, once i got home and tried to put the two sim cards in it and i quickly realized that the sim tray can only fit one sim.
when i called oneplus support about this, they said the phone is designed as single sim and that it was a tmobile phone and thats about all the info they gave me.
i went to tmobile store and they confirmed the phone is unlocked and paid off but they wouldnt help
me any further with the dual sim functionality.
upon quick google search i found a dual sim tray for the phone and ordered it. it is arriving today. I am thinking that all i have to do is just install the new dual sim tray and have dual sims working.
however now that I am looking at the settings more clearly i see that the imei for both sim slot settings are the same.
i checked the firmware on the phone and it seems that guy who sold it to me installed the nonbranded firmware but i am not sure if it is still the tmobile branded firmware. Does the Tmobile firmware startup with the Tmobile logo? how can i know i am running the latest international firmware ?
are the imei numbers the same because it is still on the tmobile firmware?
the build number it reads is 9.5.11.GM21AA
Also, if i pop the two tmobile sims in it, will the device be blacklisted simce they both will have the same imei?
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You are running international firmware.
The software is strange and just like the 6T it reports only one IMEID.
If you put in two SIMS they will have different IMEID.
Look in the forums for threads on T-Mobile converted to dual sim.
Thank you for the quick reply. The dual sim trey will arrive today so I will try it and report back.
Thank you.
asofan said:
Thank you for the quick reply. The dual sim trey will arrive today so I will try it and report back.
Thank you.
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Did the dual SIM tray worked for you? I am planning to do the same for OnePlus 7T..
tech_head said:
You are running international firmware.
The software is strange and just like the 6T it reports only one IMEID.
If you put in two SIMS they will have different IMEID.
Look in the forums for threads on T-Mobile converted to dual sim.
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If he is running a T-Mobile op7 that has been converted to International then he only has one IMEI. That same IMEI can be used in both Sim slots but you were wanting to be careful if you're using the same provider for example and an mvno that is on T-Mobile and then a second Sim that is also on T-Mobile although T-Mobile is one of the few that is pretty relaxed about duplicates. If you're on something like AT&T you'll want to pay a lot more attention.
If you are using two completely different Networks then you should not have an issue.
I know this works because I am using a T-Mobile version that was converted to International myself with a dual SIM tray.
If when the phone boots up you see that T-Mobile logo then you were still on the T-Mobile software. On the international version you'll see a little Android droid logo at the bottom and a OnePlus logo.
famewolf said:
If he is running a T-Mobile op7 that has been converted to International then he only has one IMEI. That same IMEI can be used in both Sim slots but you were wanting to be careful if you're using the same provider for example and an mvno that is on T-Mobile and then a second Sim that is also on T-Mobile although T-Mobile is one of the few that is pretty relaxed about duplicates. If you're on something like AT&T you'll want to pay a lot more attention.
If you are using two completely different Networks then you should not have an issue.
I know this works because I am using a T-Mobile version that was converted to International myself with a dual SIM tray.
If when the phone boots up you see that T-Mobile logo then you were still on the T-Mobile software. On the international version you'll see a little Android droid logo at the bottom and a OnePlus logo.
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Hi,
New around here...
Any idea on how to unlock a T-mobile locked One Plus 7 Pro?
T-Mobile says I don't qualify for unlocking as I'm the 3rd owner and not having a T-Mobile account and SIM.
Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated as I'm going to inEurope for a while and need to insert local SIM cards for better rates.
Many thanks
Cris
As the title states, I have a T-Mobile OP 7 pro thats been converted to international. I already have the dual sim tray in it and have used it with a verizon sim in slot one and google fi in slot two. Only verizon required the imei to be attached to the sim. Google fi was pop it in and go.
Both lines worked perfectly with that set up.
I'm about to be using a verizon sim and a red pocket sim on att network in it. Thats going to require me to report the imei to redpocket to activate the sim sim same as verizon.
Will only haveing the one imei reported to both carriers be an issue? and is there a way to retrieve the second imei from the phone?+
I tried searching the forums and couldn't really find an answer.
As long as your 2 sims are on different networks for example one on AT&T and one on T-mobile you should be ok. The only time you might run into an issue is if you are using an mvno's sim that uses the same network as your primary. I'm doing that right now (also on a t-mobile op7 converted to international with dual sim tray) with T-mobile as my 2ndary and soon to be gone sim and Ultra Mobile as my Primary (which also uses t-mobile's network)......T-Mobile has been reported multiple times not to pay attention to this. Other networks may not be so forgiving. To answer your last questions...there IS no second imei to retrieve. The device was intended to be a single sim device so no 2nd one was allocated. The fact it works with the same imei in both is luck more than anything else.
famewolf said:
As long as your 2 sims are on different networks for example one on AT&T and one on T-mobile you should be ok. The only time you might run into an issue is if you are using an mvno's sim that uses the same network as your primary. I'm doing that right now (also on a t-mobile op7 converted to international with dual sim tray) with T-mobile as my 2ndary and soon to be gone sim and Ultra Mobile as my Primary (which also uses t-mobile's network)......T-Mobile has been reported multiple times not to pay attention to this. Other networks may not be so forgiving. To answer your last questions...there IS no second imei to retrieve. The device was intended to be a single sim device so no 2nd one was allocated. The fact it works with the same imei in both is luck more than anything else.
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Thanks for the reply, the second part is what I really wasn't sure of if the phone just hid the second IMEI or if it actually didn't have one.
I should be good then. I got the AT&T Redpocket sim and main will be Verizon.
blooddragon78 said:
Thanks for the reply, the second part is what I really wasn't sure of if the phone just hid the second IMEI or if it actually didn't have one.
I should be good then. I got the AT&T Redpocket sim and main will be Verizon.
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Don't quote me on this, but from days with the 6T, I'm pretty sure it's just not reported in the software correctly but on the network side there are actually two different IMEID.
You should be able to (at least on Verizon) to log in and see the IMEID that is attached to a SIM.
Try the VZW sim in slot 1 and check online for the imei. Log out and switch the sim to slot 2 and check again. Hopefully you should see a different imei. Please let us know what you find out.
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blooddragon78 said:
As the title states, I have a T-Mobile OP 7 pro thats been converted to international. I already have the dual sim tray in it and have used it with a verizon sim in slot one and google fi in slot two. Only verizon required the imei to be attached to the sim. Google fi was pop it in and go.
Both lines worked perfectly with that set up.
I'm about to be using a verizon sim and a red pocket sim on att network in it. Thats going to require me to report the imei to redpocket to activate the sim sim same as verizon.
Will only haveing the one imei reported to both carriers be an issue? and is there a way to retrieve the second imei from the phone?+
I tried searching the forums and couldn't really find an answer.
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@blooddragon78 couple questions for you, as I also have OP7P that I bought from t-mo and switched to international:
- Were you able to use the sim tray that came with the phone? Or did you buy an aftermarket tray? I've heard mixed messages about the tray from t-mo having physical space for 2 sim cards.
- Did you have to unlock your phone to make use of the dual SIM functionality? Or in other words, are you still making device payments to t-mo?
flick0416 said:
@blooddragon78 couple questions for you, as I also have OP7P that I bought from t-mo and switched to international:
- Were you able to use the sim tray that came with the phone? Or did you buy an aftermarket tray? I've heard mixed messages about the tray from t-mo having physical space for 2 sim cards.
- Did you have to unlock your phone to make use of the dual SIM functionality? Or in other words, are you still making device payments to t-mo?
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I purchased a dual Sim tray from Amazon. The Sim tray from T-mobile will not fit 2 Sim cards. I'm a t-mobile tech expert so I do know for sure aside from owning one and doing it. For dual Sim to work the device does need to be unlocked as it only has one imei. If you didn't unlock before the conversion you will need to convert back to get the unlock app to be able to unlock.
There were a couple of threads on xda to get unlocked in the system but you still have to run the app. Not sure if they are active still.
If you need some help dm me.
Help with Op 7 Pro Sprint Unlocked version
Hello, I sent you a private message @blooddragon78, but Imma post here as well to see if anyone else can help me out, I'll greatly appreciate it. I came across this thread on being able to convert a T-mobile OP 7 Pro to the international version and enabling dual sim functionality. I was hoping to do the same as well, but I havent made the purchase yet in case it's not doable. Im currently looking at this OP7 Pro (Sprint version) that was factory unlocked and sold on Amazon (it's the OP 7 Pro sold at USD 499 by the Farmug Store) (if will be great if you guys can check and see the product to know what I mean exactly).
My question is what is the difference and meaning between "factory unlock/ phone unlocked" vs "sim unlocked" vs "unlocked bootloader?" I know this phone is unlocked for use on different carriers (and I live in Malaysia even), but how do I convert the phone to the international version so that I can receive updates from OnePlus directly (and not through the carrier)?
And how do I enable the dual sim functionality? Do I need to unlock the bootloader? Am I able to do that myself? Because I got confused as some people say unlocking the sim can only be done by the carrier, but Im not sure what is the difference of that with unlocking the bootloader.
In addition, say if Im able to convert it to the international version and get updates from OnePlus directly, dual sim functionality is enabled and such. Will updating the OS of the phone automatically (not doing it manually) lock the network/ brick the phone?
xHayashi said:
Hello, I sent you a private message @blooddragon78, but Imma post here as well to see if anyone else can help me out, I'll greatly appreciate it. I came across this thread on being able to convert a T-mobile OP 7 Pro to the international version and enabling dual sim functionality. I was hoping to do the same as well, but I havent made the purchase yet in case it's not doable. Im currently looking at this OP7 Pro (Sprint version) that was factory unlocked and sold on Amazon (it's the OP 7 Pro sold at USD 499 by the Farmug Store) (if will be great if you guys can check and see the product to know what I mean exactly).
My question is what is the difference and meaning between "factory unlock/ phone unlocked" vs "sim unlocked" vs "unlocked bootloader?" I know this phone is unlocked for use on different carriers (and I live in Malaysia even), but how do I convert the phone to the international version so that I can receive updates from OnePlus directly (and not through the carrier)?
And how do I enable the dual sim functionality? Do I need to unlock the bootloader? Am I able to do that myself? Because I got confused as some people say unlocking the sim can only be done by the carrier, but Im not sure what is the difference of that with unlocking the bootloader.
In addition, say if Im able to convert it to the international version and get updates from OnePlus directly, dual sim functionality is enabled and such. Will updating the OS of the phone automatically (not doing it manually) lock the network/ brick the phone?
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I don't k ow about dual sim.but converting International will allow Ota updates. If it's sim unlocked it should stay. Mine is still sim locked to t-mobile and I'm on internatti fimware
I bought "Realme X50 Pro, 12 + 256GB, Dual SIM, Rust Red (RMX2075-red-12-256)" on Amazon.es.
However, it arrived with a single SIM specification:crying:
The physical SIM slot looks like a Dual SIM slot, is there a way to make it available?
Will it work if I burn another ROM?
Is this phone Single Sim in Europe? Why?
Is it intentionally locked like on xiaomi mi10 who knows why?
I can't find a word about it anywhere, is there esim?
Ducekokan said:
Is this phone Single Sim in Europe? Why?
Is it intentionally locked like on xiaomi mi10 who knows why?
I can't find a word about it anywhere, is there esim?
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Yeah there's an eSim, not sure if you can use it as well as a regular Sim tho :/
bictu said:
Yeah there's an eSim, not sure if you can use it as well as a regular Sim tho :/
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There will be no words anywhere eSimwhere you saw it?
在中国，这款手机是双卡双待的 没问题，但是听说欧洲版本和中国版本系统不能互刷？或者你可以试试使用twrp刷入中国大陆的版本试试
Hello,
I asked Realme support several questions. The Chinese versions are indeed dual SIM. The Europe version is simple SIM. The Chinese version is materially incompatible for operation in Europe. Flashing Europe Rom on a phone made for China will not work.
fourpsk said:
I bought "Realme X50 Pro, 12 + 256GB, Dual SIM, Rust Red (RMX2075-red-12-256)" on Amazon.es.
However, it arrived with a single SIM specification:crying:
The physical SIM slot looks like a Dual SIM slot, is there a way to make it available?
Will it work if I burn another R
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fourpsk said:
I bought "Realme X50 Pro, 12 + 256GB, Dual SIM, Rust Red (RMX2075-red-12-256)" on Amazon.es.
However, it arrived with a single SIM specification:crying:
The physical SIM slot looks like a Dual SIM slot, is there a way to make it available?
Will it work if I burn another ROM?
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Remove the SD slot to see if it has two bays, one covered and the other not, this is because the operators do not want competition, but if you release the bootloader and install the global ROM that bay will be active and the only thing to do is remove carefully the plastic so that it can accept another sim.