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Audio Quality?

Now that this phone has officially launched, I'd like to get an idea about the audio quality of the Sensation through the 3.5mm headphone jack. Audio quality is a huge deal for me when it comes to purchasing new phones so please be as detailed as you can.

i to would like to know, im coming from the Nexus S with the one hack i forget what its called havent use my Nexus S since like March, damn o yea its called Voo Doo sound. And it sounds ****in amazing excuse my language its just that great in ear headphones with voo doo. I would like for the Sensation to be better or @ least on par with it.

Also, someone who has the phone can tell us about the quality of the external speaker and if it is any better than that of older HTC phones. The one on my desire really sucks in comparison with the Galaxy S or the iphone.

giorgisp said:
Also, someone who has the phone can tell us about the quality of the external speaker and if it is any better than that of older HTC phones. The one on my desire really sucks in comparison with the Galaxy S or the iphone.
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Someone said it was an improvement over their previous HTC phone (I think it was sjgore saying it was better than the Desire HD)l

I can honestly say the sound quality is good and clear. Lacking bass though and not loud through the speaker

Virtue94 said:
Now that this phone has officially launched, I'd like to get an idea about the audio quality of the Sensation through the 3.5mm headphone jack. Audio quality is a huge deal for me when it comes to purchasing new phones so please be as detailed as you can.
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I'm also very curious on this as I'd value such a device as an audio player to use with audiophile headphones (some of the ones I have are low impedance IEMs, others I'd use with portable amplifiers like the Meier Corda Move), mostly to play flacs.
I've owned the Samsung Galaxy S and the audio quality was pretty decent, flat, black silence and so on. Wondering if this latest HTC is better than previous HTC models.
I only care about the 3.5mm jack audio, not the speaker.. don't use that for music.

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And as the whole quality of sound on Sensation? Slightly better Desire HD or well?

Im more interested about the speaker quality when you talk to someone thorough the speaker phone.. can you hear the person loud and clear? can he hear you clearly?

yea like the guy 2 or 3 post above me said, im wayy more interested in the Sound Output from the headphone jack. Ive heard that the Thunderbolts external speaker is absolutely amazing like the HTC Surrounds so if the sensation is on par or even better than those 2's then itll be great for internal speaker. But im not sure about external output to the phone

The sound quality is great on the phone, it is louder than a stock DHD and the quality and bass is perfect through the headphones especially with the SRS effects. The headphones I am using are Sennheiser cx400, it would be wise to use a good pair of headphones

Audio quality TI Audio chip v/s Wolfson 8994 ???
HTC Sensation if "TI Audio chipset" then crappy sound.
If HTC sensation comes with "WOLFSON 8994" then amazing sound.
Still looking for the HTC sensation internal motherboard pics or plan.

agent.m said:
I can honestly say the sound quality is good and clear. Lacking bass though and not loud through the speaker
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Are you talking about the sound quality through headphones or the loud speaker? I could care less about the latter.

beautyangel said:
HTC Sensation if "TI Audio chipset" then crappy sound.
If HTC sensation comes with "WOLFSON 8994" then amazing sound.
Still looking for the HTC sensation internal motherboard pics or plan.
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Wrong. Preamps dictate the sound signature of the phone. DACs don't matter as much as you think they do. As long as it's clean, we're good.

Preamps
If preamps Over rule on sensation, thats a great news. Thx for the correction if the Sensation is carrying a preamps.

m1r4j91 said:
The sound quality is great on the phone, it is louder than a stock DHD and the quality and bass is perfect through the headphones especially with the SRS effects. The headphones I am using are Sennheiser cx400, it would be wise to use a good pair of headphones
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+1, except that I'm using Sennheiser CX 300's.

can anyone comment about the loudspeaker quality when talking to a person? can you hear him well without distortions and vice versa?

Virtue94 said:
Wrong. Preamps dictate the sound signature of the phone. DACs don't matter as much as you think they do. As long as it's clean, we're good.
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Wrong.
Crap in crap out, if the source is low grade, the OPA will do nothing to change that. I'm not saying that DACs are the most important thing, but they are definitely at the beginning of the system. Of course, the very very beginning would be the sound file in question.... FLAC(which stock android wont even support), or low bitrate MP3.

PhaedraCorruption said:
Wrong.
Crap in crap out, if the source is low grade, the OPA will do nothing to change that. I'm not saying that DACs are the most important thing, but they are definitely at the beginning of the system. Of course, the very very beginning would be the sound file in question.... FLAC(which stock android wont even support), or low bitrate MP3.
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I am aware of that fact. But us users can actually do something about the source files that we play. FLAC and ALAC support is included with certain apps like PowerAmp so it can remedied to a certain extent. Audio hardware however, can't be modified so easily; you're basically stuck with a certain audio setup once you buy the device. So am I right on point this time?

Virtue94 said:
I am aware of that fact. But us users can actually do something about the source files that we play. FLAC and ALAC support is included with certain apps like PowerAmp so it can remedied to a certain extent. Audio hardware however, can't be modified so easily; you're basically stuck with a certain audio setup once you buy the device. So am I right on point this time?
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Well my point is, while the DAC is definitely not the most important part of the system, it is more important that the OPA(optical parametric amplifier), which you said was more crucial than the dac. .
This fact is only applies for 99.99% of circumstances though, you could be the oddball with the full sized headphones that are hard to drive... but really, if you're going to spend $200+ on headphones, you might as well get a portable amp along with it.

PhaedraCorruption said:
Well my point is, while the DAC is definitely not the most important part of the system, it is more important that the OPA(operational amplifier), which you said was more crucial than the dac. .
This fact is only applies for 99.99% of circumstances though, you could be the oddball with the full sized headphones that are hard to drive... but really, if you're going to spend $200+ on headphones, you might as well get a portable amp along with it.
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Lol I am that oddball And I do have a portable amp btw. I just really hate walking around with it since it isn't very portable.

Loud Earphones

Lets be honest, the audio from the sensation could be louder especially with SRS on, anyone know of headphones that are louder then normal, taking apple earphones as a benchmark maybe, looking for nice quality, in ear phones, or ear phones, not headsets.. never been a fan
Thanks

First of all you need to let people know what your budget is. good ones even the in ear type can cost many hundreds of pounds!
If you want something loud then look at getting headphones with a low impedance (low ohms), but bear in mind that you will be sacrificing fidelity and they will sound harsher as they will have less of a damping factor.
If you are struggling to hear things due to background or ambient noise then look at headphones with noise cancellation. Shure make some excellent ones that can block out 90% of background (this is a huge amount) but they are very expensive as they are aimed at the professional market, I personally wouldn't want to use these on the street as they would limit my awareness of my surroundings far too much. M-audio are also very good but cost serious bucks.
If you want something good that wont break the bank then look at Beyerdynamics.
You would be advised to go somewhere that stocks all the headphones you wish to try as it really is impossible for anyone to tell you what is right for you as everyone hears and perceives sound differently especially with age.
I hope this helps.

Generally In Ear Headbuds seem to be the loudest because it isolates the sound from the ambient.
But I think the maximum volume is enough for headphones. Too much could damage you ears real fast!

Iceananas said:
Generally In Ear Headbuds seem to be the loudest because it isolates the sound from the ambient.
But I think the maximum volume is enough for headphones. Too much could damage you ears real fast!
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Well said I couldn't agree more. That is exactly why I mentioned the Shure headphones, as the perceived volume due to the lack of external interference will be louder but the actual volume will be less( the same can be said for the higher end headphones in general, as when the quality is better the volume doesn't need to be as loud). When you use these headphones you'll wonder how you ever managed without them. I wish I had had the funds to use them early in my career as once you start to get banding in your hearing spectrum there is no going back

Thanks for the replies, I will look into the ones suggested, and I agree with the effects on your hearing, thats something I realy have to consider.
My budget is about 50 euros, wouldnt spend anymore
Cheers

meteor999 said:
Thanks for the replies, I will look into the ones suggested, and I agree with the effects on your hearing, thats something I realy have to consider.
My budget is about 50 euros, wouldnt spend anymore
Cheers
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Where in Europe are you?

Ireland, so anything I get will have to come from amazon or something similar
P.S Looked into the shure ones, they look very nice, just going through the reviews, just about at my budget too, and I can get these in ireland

check out http://www.thomann.de they have some good sales from time to time

also take a look at these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=klipsch+s4&x=0&y=0
The best one I ever saw at this price. The sound quality, especially the bass is overwhelming. Need a little break in first though.

Klipsch S4 of you're a bass freak or my current IEMs, Etymotic mc5. Both are under $100. The Ks give big bass while the Etys give more accurate sound production, and while the bass isn't massive, it's still punchy and more accurate.
There's an Android specific model of the Klipsch, the S4A: http://www.klipsch.com/image-S4A-headphones
There's a Klipsch app you download that I supposed lets you customize things. Site says they're coming soon.

The maximum (I saw) for my Sensation was 104db, this causes hearing loss in 1 minute and 25 seconds. Anything above 50% is dangerous, I believe. 75% can be listened to for 8 hours before damage, 80% 2hrs, 100% 1.25 minutes.
EDIT: I noticed the maximum volume on xBoarderMOD is very quiet (90 or below DB, safe for 2hrs of listening) compared to say LeeDroid (104db, safe for 1.25 minutes.)
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Any Audiophiles User On S8+ ? Need Some Questions Answered?

What audio formats does the galaxy S8+ supports? I’m not talking about Audio Playback Format. I’m asking about Quality for instant is High-Resolution Audio same as PCM or DSD: DSD 64 / 128 can someone point or explain what all this means ?
Also I just found out about the Sony has a high res player is out on the market only a few days ago..
How does the galaxy S8+ compete with Sony high res audio player? Please see link Sony high res audio player
Other thing what would be the best headphones, or over the ear phones to experience the best audio quality on the S8+ ? At the moment I’m using Bose QC35 They are a decent pair of over the ear headphones, but of course not the best.
They do have a pretty awesome sound signature, but I’m sure there must be better out there, Sony Bluetooth headphones just released how much would I benefit using these with the S8+ As I have checked the Samsung website they don’t really tell you much on the specs link for Sony WH-1000XM2 Thanks peeps
Mods, i hope this isn’t in the wrong section. Thanks

I use Audio-Technica ATH-R70X, They sound great with lossless content, and the output jack on the phone supplies plenty of power to push them. With an external amp you may have better results, but I cant tell. I cant imagine that the S8+ wouldn't playback high quality audio, as long as your source material is high quality. As for the specs, not a clue... sorry!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
What audio formats does the galaxy S8+ supports? I’m not talking about Audio Playback Format. I’m asking about Quality for instant is High-Resolution Audio same as PCM or DSD: DSD 64 / 128 can someone point or explain what all this means ?
Also I just found out about the Sony has a high res player is out on the market only a few days ago..
How does the galaxy S8+ compete with Sony high res audio player? Please see link Sony high res audio player
Other thing what would be the best headphones, or over the ear phones to experience the best audio quality on the S8+ ? At the moment I’m using Bose QC35 They are a decent pair of over the ear headphones, but of course not the best.
They do have a pretty awesome sound signature, but I’m sure there must be better out there, Sony Bluetooth headphones just released how much would I benefit using these with the S8+ As I have checked the Samsung website they don’t really tell you much on the specs link for Sony WH-1000XM2 Thanks peeps
Mods, i hope this isn’t in the wrong section. Thanks
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Some facts that might help with your decision:
* The part of your body that actually pics up sound is tuned to convert sound waves from 20Hz-20,000Hz (cycles per second) to electrical signals your brain can process.
* Digital music is converted from analog by chopping up the signal in Time and Amplitude (Sample Rate and Bit Depth). CD's and most other digital music Sample the Analog waveform 44,100 times a second and have 65534 (16-bit signed) possible amplitude levels per sample.
* You can lossless convert the 16-bit 44.1KHz signal back to a analog waveform that has a SNR of 98dB and a frequency range of 0-22,050Hz.
* It is very unlikely you are able to hear past 18KHz by the time you're in your 30's
* Passing Ultrasonic's into a driver (speaker) can at best not provide any advantage other than wasted amplifier power and at worst degrade the parts of the audible spectrum.
* High quality compressed music (AAC, OPUS, MP3, DD, DTS, Etc.) is in-distinguishable from the original digitized source because of the way our auditory system works (Psychoacoustics). - While I'd love to get into reasons why it is past my current knowledge level. But you can start here if you want to dive in deeper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
"High-Res" audio is marketing.
The Galaxy S8's DAC+AMP is average, but as long as you're not driving a pair of high impedance headphones or have the volume cranked to the max it should be fine. - https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/7e2439/12
As for headphones no one can tell you what you will like, but I've been regularly impressed by The Wirecutter's recommendations on speakers and headphones. They do measurements and also have a group of people listen to each model, so you're not getting a single persons opinion - http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/headphones/
Make sure to scroll down; what looks like ad's (because they have prices at the bottom) are actually articles with recommended headphones and also alternatives.

You really can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without a version of Viper4android.

Quad5Ny said:
Some facts that might help with your decision:
* The part of your body that actually pics up sound is tuned to convert sound waves from 20Hz-20,000Hz (cycles per second) to electrical signals your brain can process.
* Digital music is converted from analog by chopping up the signal in Time and Amplitude (Sample Rate and Bit Depth). CD's and most other digital music Sample the Analog waveform 44,100 times a second and have 65534 (16-bit signed) possible amplitude levels per sample.
* You can lossless convert the 16-bit 44.1KHz signal back to a analog waveform that has a SNR of 98dB and a frequency range of 0-22,050Hz.
* It is very unlikely you are able to hear past 18KHz by the time you're in your 30's
* Passing Ultrasonic's into a driver (speaker) can at best not provide any advantage other than wasted amplifier power and at worst degrade the parts of the audible spectrum.
* High quality compressed music (AAC, OPUS, MP3, DD, DTS, Etc.) is in-distinguishable from the original digitized source because of the way our auditory system works (Psychoacoustics). - While I'd love to get into reasons why it is past my current knowledge level. But you can start here if you want to dive in deeper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
"High-Res" audio is marketing.
The Galaxy S8's DAC+AMP is average, but as long as you're not driving a pair of high impedance headphones or have the volume cranked to the max it should be fine. - https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/7e2439/12
As for headphones no one can tell you what you will like, but I've been regularly impressed by The Wirecutter's recommendations on speakers and headphones. They do measurements and also have a group of people listen to each model, so you're not getting a single persons opinion - http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/headphones/
Make sure to scroll down; what looks like ad's (because they have prices at the bottom) are actually articles with recommended headphones and also alternatives.
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I've compared a lot in the $100-$400 range and the ones that came out on top for me were:
1. Meze 99 CLASSICS My fav https://www.mezeaudio.com/collections/all/products/meze-99-classics-walnut-silver-wood-headphones
2. ATH-MSR7
3.ATH-M50x

vibrantliker said:
I've compared a lot in the $100-$400 range and the ones that came out on top for me were:
1. Meze 99 CLASSICS My fav https://www.mezeaudio.com/collections/all/products/meze-99-classics-walnut-silver-wood-headphones
2. ATH-MSR7
3.ATH-M50x
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Going by the frequency response graphs:
Meze 99 Classics - They will sound warm (especially female vocals), average sound stage, while still having a crisp high end.
ATH-MSR7 - Not as warm, larger sound stage, high end will have more sparkle and the "I can feel it" part of bass will be more pronounced.
From personal experience:
ATH-M50x - Meh. They can sound great if calibrated, but I never cared for them otherwise.

For best quality, use a lossless formats such as WAV or FLAC but check first that they are not upsampled mp3s. If you want to save space and use mp3 format, look for a bitrate of 256kbps+ (ideally 320kbps)

vibrantliker said:
You really can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without a version of Viper4android.
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True but its not worth rooting yet the S8+ just for V4A!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
True but its not worth rooting yet the S8+ just for V4A!
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Why not?

vibrantliker said:
Why not?
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Here see this thread why I choose not to root https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/help/root-root-t3625793

You can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without actual stereo equipment high end speakers, Highs, Mids, Full range, and a bottom firing sub, biamped, triamped, and a center spaced sub, and then every speaker has to be tuned to your specific space in a deadened room. So if that is the kind of audiophile sound you want from your phone its just not going to happen. This phone sounds better than any other that I have ever owned or heard. Viper audio is crap, its just a front end for ALSA to make use of very limited power to make the tiny speakers in ear buds or over the ear anything go BOOM just a bit more. Don't waste your money on stupid high end headphones the biggest difference between most of them is the amount of stuffing they put in them to keep them from rattling, and please never ever spend more than 20 bucks for ear buds. I have a set of $18 dollar ear buds that I bought at a flying-J truck stop that sound and preform just as well as my $300 dollar Bose Bluetooth ear buds...I paid $280 for a name. (not knocking Bose I love their home audio stuff, but they got me with the ear buds) Lossless files are the way to go for sure, and if you were to use this phone as the music provider for a stereo system, the sound you would want coming out of it (because you are using it as a preamp) would be dead flat..... The Same thing goes for your car or home stereo using the Bluetooth or a direct line out of the phone into a stereo system....the sound coming out of the phone should be flat or you are EQ'ing an EQ and you are defeating the purpose of the equalizer in the stereo, you are essentially feeding the stereo digital noise, (just try it, trust me) (you wont be sorry). Let the stereo do the work let the phone be the high end preamp and it shouldn't be turned up more than half way. Oh and just so you know in not some wind bag ,, I'm giving you practical, useful, WORKING, knowledge. I have been a working Professional Musician for over 30 years. In and out of studios recording,,,,,AND many many many hundreds of shows and sound issues that have been dealt with. So take it for what its worth... and now i'm going to go loose myself with some with some Pink Floyd and Mozart..............Peace..

malebornin69 said:
You can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without actual stereo equipment high end speakers, Highs, Mids, Full range, and a bottom firing sub, biamped, triamped, and a center spaced sub, and then every speaker has to be tuned to your specific space in a deadened room. So if that is the kind of audiophile sound you want from your phone its just not going to happen. This phone sounds better than any other that I have ever owned or heard. Viper audio is crap, its just a front end for ALSA to make use of very limited power to make the tiny speakers in ear buds or over the ear anything go BOOM just a bit more. Don't waste your money on stupid high end headphones the biggest difference between most of them is the amount of stuffing they put in them to keep them from rattling, and please never ever spend more than 20 bucks for ear buds. I have a set of $18 dollar ear buds that I bought at a flying-J truck stop that sound and preform just as well as my $300 dollar Bose Bluetooth ear buds...I paid $280 for a name. (not knocking Bose I love their home audio stuff, but they got me with the ear buds) Lossless files are the way to go for sure, and if you were to use this phone as the music provider for a stereo system, the sound you would want coming out of it (because you are using it as a preamp) would be dead flat..... The Same thing goes for your car or home stereo using the Bluetooth or a direct line out of the phone into a stereo system....the sound coming out of the phone should be flat or you are EQ'ing an EQ and you are defeating the purpose of the equalizer in the stereo, you are essentially feeding the stereo digital noise, (just try it, trust me) (you wont be sorry). Let the stereo do the work let the phone be the high end preamp and it shouldn't be turned up more than half way. Oh and just so you know in not some wind bag ,, I'm giving you practical useful, knowledge.
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What do you recommended that has best audio quality for mobile use? I mean, I use the LG V20 with Viper4Arise with good headphones and it blows me away how good it sounds.

vibrantliker said:
What do you recommended that has best audio quality for mobile use? I mean, I use the LG V20 with Viper4Arise with good headphones and it blows me away how good it sounds.
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Exactly what you are doing if that is what sounds good to you.... I would ask you to do one thing and see how it sounds... if you are going to use Viper then just use Viper.... Flatten out every other EQ that you would be sending the EQ'd sound from your phone to... then just use the viper eq until you have the sound you are looking for.
As far as headphones/earbuds are concerned. I have a free standing hat rack full of them.. I use them according to the music I am listening to, But if you want my honest opinion ( and i know someone will call me stupid, not that I care,) I use a pair of Beats, over ear, with noise canceling, wired, as my go to headphones,,,, and the stock earbuds that came with my S8+ .... They are made by AKG.... You can get stupid and spend a lot of money (like thousands) trying to get better sound from a substandard tinny tiny under powered sound card,,, and never find the right equipment to get the job done... and never realize its not the equipment you are buying but the equipment you are using,, inst getting the job done

I had Lg g6 and it has better Audio than the S8 + ,definitely.

I just can't believe any professional can suggest Bose, Beats or phone stock AKG. Did you ever try them? For studio purpose you are using monitors... maybe this is why...
Try something what make sense- don't be like sheep- buying beats or bose just for brand and color? Get proper AKG, Beyerdynamic are not massively expensive or Sennheiser ie80. I would not recommend headphones over £300 because you not gonna notice any difference. EQ or any funny software- I prefer flat sound but everyone is individual...

+1 to this. With all due respect but no real professional would say that an $18 pair of buds would produce the same sound quality like a +$300 pair of westone or senheiser or any other prestigious brand in ear monitors. This post was addressed to audiophiles and obviously OP you should expect answers from real ones.
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I just can't believe any professional can suggest Bose, Beats or phone stock AKG. Did you ever try them? For studio purpose you are using monitors... maybe this is why...
Try something what make sense- don't be like sheep- buying beats or bose just for brand and color? Get proper AKG, Beyerdynamic are not massively expensive or Sennheiser ie80. I would not recommend headphones over £300 because you not gonna notice any difference. EQ or any funny software- I prefer flat sound but everyone is individual...
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Samsung's S8 phone connected with the LDAC codec with Sony's WH-1000XM2 headphone is a combination made in heaven! There is presently no other wireless pair that comes close to this combination. The key is the LDAC bluetooth codec.

Lg V20 B&O headphones, why so bad?

Hey guys
Just upgraded from s7 edge to this phone. I've buy lg v20 Verizon version, so after purchase I start to search b&o earphones which comes with box, so yesterday I get that one, so after 1 day using, I can say for sure this is not top level headphones. It sounds like 10€ headphones. Its not loud but have some good quality. So if someone know how to improve and upgrade sound please send some instructions

I agree with you to the fullest they were absolute terrible sounding to my ears too. Might sound cliche but my gf's apple earpods from same pricerange are much better
You could install a app with a equalizer like poweramp to color and adjust the sound you want. But soundquality wise they are not decent imo

I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.

spiderx_mm said:
I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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I know about this, but i was thinking that native eaphones will sounds good. Niw I'm thinking to buy some audio technical headphones

spiderx_mm said:
I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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High impedance has no effect on audio quality. 3k earphones that are 16ohms are the best out there.
I swear some people just don't understand what ohms law is.....
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Well the "impedance" is a choice of the company when they designed the headset. in the past most classic high fedility headphones were high impedance (300 - 600 ohm) because they were driven by dedicated big amps.
"Impedance" itself whether it's high or not should not be a parameter it would sound good or bad.
The best modern headphones have lower impedance now and this is also choice of market because most need to be driven by a small dac or smartphone
Low impedance doesn't mean easy to drive either, some headphones really need a proper dac as fuel

BROKEN1981 said:
High impedance has no effect on audio quality. 3k earphones that are 16ohms are the best out there.
I swear some people just don't understand what ohms law is.....
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Oh yes. High impedance has no effect on MP3 audio quality. I fully agreed. Just buy (or download) an FLAC audio and compare listening to it. You'll know the truth. Otherwise, those people who bought high impedance HPs for very expensive price are just fools.

spiderx_mm said:
I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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DSD format is the best, not FLAC

Yes they are not normal B&O quality.
blackzero97 said:
Hey guys
Just upgraded from s7 edge to this phone. I've buy lg v20 Verizon version, so after purchase I start to search b&o earphones which comes with box, so yesterday I get that one, so after 1 day using, I can say for sure this is not top level headphones. It sounds like 10€ headphones. Its not loud but have some good quality. So if someone know how to improve and upgrade sound please send some instructions
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It seems that LG have just used the B&O brand on some of their own rubbish earphones. You can buy them in HK for less than $10. When I turn on the Hifi DAC sound quality in these barely changes but when I use my standard earphones (LH Labs) the sound comes alive with the HiFi DAC - with loads more detail. Fantastic experience but bin the so-called pretend B&O earphones.

blackzero97 said:
I know about this, but i was thinking that native eaphones will sounds good. Niw I'm thinking to buy some audio technical headphones
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I went through the same thing when I bought my V20 last year. The B&O earbuds totally suck.
You might want to buy a pair of the Marshalls as well as the Audio Technicas. The Marshall Major Bluetooth II are a couple of generations old now and quite cheap on Amazon. They're small and flexible. You can stretch them to fit your head perfectly. I can wear mine for hours without pain. The Audio Technicas are huge and better for listening at home.
Also, the Marshalls are more than 50 ohms. I agree with the other posters - high impedance has nothing to do with sound quality. However, with the V20 you need more than 50 ohms to kick in the quad dac. I believe that I took a pass on the Audio Technicas because they aren't 50 ohms. The Marshalls will probably survive out in the world a lot better too. I just toss mine in a bag without a case a lot of the time and they're fine.
I really didn't think that I would like those headphones as much as I do. I don't use the bluetooth connection very often but it's nice to have it anyways.
Hope you enjoy your V20. This phone is going to be my daily driver until it won't turn on anymore. I just love it.

I got the H3's for free and used them as a spare pair. Never abused them but they just fell apart. Quality on them is atrocious for a supposedly $150 retail pair of headphones. I checked out their rating with "fakespot" on amazon which analyzes for likely fake reviews and they got a rating of an F with only 23.7% reliable reviews. ha.
Fakespot

Two righties???
I got mine with my lg v20 and they were defective. Literally 2 right earbuds. Both printed "R".... Is it possible that the real B&O could make such a crazy mistake??

be glad you even got headphones. Some of us didn't get them.

Question What is the DAC present in the phone for the 3.5mm jack?

I'm currently looking to buy a decent pair of headphones that I want to mostly use with my phone. I've looked around online and couldn't find much about which DAC is being used and what is the ideal output power/impedance of the headphones that I should use with these.
I am thinking of getting the Audio Technica M20x but they have an impedance of 47 ohms, and I'm not sure if the device is ideal or capable enough to power it properly. I've read on another thread that a guy used a pair of headphones with 62 ohms impedance with this phone and he had to crank it up to almost 100% volume to hear music. So I'm not sure if the 47 ohms is too high for the phone. But the old wired apple earphones were 40 ohms and they probably worked fine so maybe the M20x would work somewhat nicely too I guess?
If anyone has used a good quality pair of headphones with this device here, help would be really appreciated.
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Anyone?

shivansh68 said:
I'm currently looking to buy a decent pair of headphones that I want to mostly use with my phone. I've looked around online and couldn't find much about which DAC is being used and what is the ideal output power/impedance of the headphones that I should use with these.
I am thinking of getting the Audio Technica M20x but they have an impedance of 47 ohms, and I'm not sure if the device is ideal or capable enough to power it properly. I've read on another thread that a guy used a pair of headphones with 62 ohms impedance with this phone and he had to crank it up to almost 100% volume to hear music. So I'm not sure if the 47 ohms is too high for the phone. But the old wired apple earphones were 40 ohms and they probably worked fine so maybe the M20x would work somewhat nicely too I guess?
If anyone has used a good quality pair of headphones with this device here, help would be really appreciated.
Thanks
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It has 24bit/192Khz Hi-Res as every other phone nowadays have. It doesn't have a separate DAC like an LG, is the one integrated on Snapdragon.
The best you can do to enjoy that headphones is to get a Tempotec Sonata HD2 dongle and never get over 95% volume to avoid distortion. There are dozens of good dongles but that one is cheap and you can use it for years.

ValgarBaldr said:
It has 24bit/192Khz Hi-Res as every other phone nowadays have. It doesn't have a separate DAC like an LG, is the one integrated on Snapdragon.
The best you can do to enjoy that headphones is to get a Tempotec Sonata HD2 dongle and never get over 95% volume to avoid distortion. There are dozens of good dongles but that one is cheap and you can use it for years.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I do plan on getting a seperate DAC in the future but currently I'm on a tight budget so I wanted to know how it will sound straight from the phone and what impedance headphones the phone's internal DAC can handle.

shivansh68 said:
Thanks for the suggestion! I do plan on getting a seperate DAC in the future but currently I'm on a tight budget so I wanted to know how it will sound straight from the phone and what impedance headphones the phone's internal DAC can handle.
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It can handle the Audio Technica pretty well. That headphones are pretty sensitive and the impedance is not high also. You will need to volume up a bit but the AT will muzzle exterior sound too, so it's a win-win

shivansh68 said:
Thanks for the suggestion! I do plan on getting a seperate DAC in the future but currently I'm on a tight budget so I wanted to know how it will sound straight from the phone and what impedance headphones the phone's internal DAC can handle.
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I just connected a AKG K240 to my device and sounds excepcional at middle volume. They are 55 ohms.

Thanks a ton for your help!! I've been looking around for weeks and haven't gotten any decent answers but you just helped me make my decision.
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You will need to volume up a bit but the AT will muzzle exterior sound too
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I'm sorry but could you explain what you meant by this?
Also if you don't mind what audiophile headphones would you suggest under the $100 range? I'm thinking about getting the M20x or M30X or would it be better to get maybe the Sennheiser HD 200 Pro for normal listening and not for studio mixing?
Thanks

i do find the sound to be a bit under volume as compared with a separate DAC... the sound produced out of the jack feels sub-parred compared to my realme 5i

shivansh68 said:
Thanks a ton for your help!! I've been looking around for weeks and haven't gotten any decent answers but you just helped me make my decision.
I'm sorry but could you explain what you meant by this?
Also if you don't mind what audiophile headphones would you suggest under the $100 range? I'm thinking about getting the M20x or M30X or would it be better to get maybe the Sennheiser HD 200 Pro for normal listening and not for studio mixing?
Thanks
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I mean you may find the volume a bit low compared to a standard earphones, but the binaural pads silence a lot of outer noise si it's ok.
M20x all the way, best quality for the price.

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I mean you may find the volume a bit low compared to a standard earphones, but the binaural pads silence a lot of outer noise si it's ok.
M20x all the way, best quality for the price.
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Thanks for the help!

im using blon bl 03. they are sounding awesome without DAC. 50% volume is enough.

Nice to have stumbled across this thread.
I haven't received my x3 pro yet. But will in one or two days. I had been looking around for a decent phone with a headphone jack and there were not a lot of options at all.
The reason being, I had an Earmen Eagle dac amp which is considered 'high end' in the world of dongle dacs. I A-B tested them vs the output from my current phone (realme 7) and to me, there really wasn't much of a difference in terms of quality. The output power is higher on the eagle ofcourse but nothing that notable in terms of quality difference, certainly not enough to make me want to deal with the inconvenience of a dongle.
I had done some prior digging and I believe the dac is the same as that on the ROG 2, which is understandable as the sd 860 is basically the same as 855+. I know this might not be useful info but I just wanted to share my findings anyway.

Jack is so trash, really it's 1/10. My Max 3 sounds 100x better. Without audio mods don't even come.