Any Audiophiles User On S8+ ? Need Some Questions Answered? - Samsung Galaxy S8+ Questions & Answers

What audio formats does the galaxy S8+ supports? I’m not talking about Audio Playback Format. I’m asking about Quality for instant is High-Resolution Audio same as PCM or DSD: DSD 64 / 128 can someone point or explain what all this means ?
Also I just found out about the Sony has a high res player is out on the market only a few days ago..
How does the galaxy S8+ compete with Sony high res audio player? Please see link Sony high res audio player
Other thing what would be the best headphones, or over the ear phones to experience the best audio quality on the S8+ ? At the moment I’m using Bose QC35 They are a decent pair of over the ear headphones, but of course not the best.
They do have a pretty awesome sound signature, but I’m sure there must be better out there, Sony Bluetooth headphones just released how much would I benefit using these with the S8+ As I have checked the Samsung website they don’t really tell you much on the specs link for Sony WH-1000XM2 Thanks peeps
Mods, i hope this isn’t in the wrong section. Thanks

I use Audio-Technica ATH-R70X, They sound great with lossless content, and the output jack on the phone supplies plenty of power to push them. With an external amp you may have better results, but I cant tell. I cant imagine that the S8+ wouldn't playback high quality audio, as long as your source material is high quality. As for the specs, not a clue... sorry!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
What audio formats does the galaxy S8+ supports? I’m not talking about Audio Playback Format. I’m asking about Quality for instant is High-Resolution Audio same as PCM or DSD: DSD 64 / 128 can someone point or explain what all this means ?
Also I just found out about the Sony has a high res player is out on the market only a few days ago..
How does the galaxy S8+ compete with Sony high res audio player? Please see link Sony high res audio player
Other thing what would be the best headphones, or over the ear phones to experience the best audio quality on the S8+ ? At the moment I’m using Bose QC35 They are a decent pair of over the ear headphones, but of course not the best.
They do have a pretty awesome sound signature, but I’m sure there must be better out there, Sony Bluetooth headphones just released how much would I benefit using these with the S8+ As I have checked the Samsung website they don’t really tell you much on the specs link for Sony WH-1000XM2 Thanks peeps
Mods, i hope this isn’t in the wrong section. Thanks
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Some facts that might help with your decision:
* The part of your body that actually pics up sound is tuned to convert sound waves from 20Hz-20,000Hz (cycles per second) to electrical signals your brain can process.
* Digital music is converted from analog by chopping up the signal in Time and Amplitude (Sample Rate and Bit Depth). CD's and most other digital music Sample the Analog waveform 44,100 times a second and have 65534 (16-bit signed) possible amplitude levels per sample.
* You can lossless convert the 16-bit 44.1KHz signal back to a analog waveform that has a SNR of 98dB and a frequency range of 0-22,050Hz.
* It is very unlikely you are able to hear past 18KHz by the time you're in your 30's
* Passing Ultrasonic's into a driver (speaker) can at best not provide any advantage other than wasted amplifier power and at worst degrade the parts of the audible spectrum.
* High quality compressed music (AAC, OPUS, MP3, DD, DTS, Etc.) is in-distinguishable from the original digitized source because of the way our auditory system works (Psychoacoustics). - While I'd love to get into reasons why it is past my current knowledge level. But you can start here if you want to dive in deeper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
"High-Res" audio is marketing.
The Galaxy S8's DAC+AMP is average, but as long as you're not driving a pair of high impedance headphones or have the volume cranked to the max it should be fine. - https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/7e2439/12
As for headphones no one can tell you what you will like, but I've been regularly impressed by The Wirecutter's recommendations on speakers and headphones. They do measurements and also have a group of people listen to each model, so you're not getting a single persons opinion - http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/headphones/
Make sure to scroll down; what looks like ad's (because they have prices at the bottom) are actually articles with recommended headphones and also alternatives.

You really can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without a version of Viper4android.

Quad5Ny said:
Some facts that might help with your decision:
* The part of your body that actually pics up sound is tuned to convert sound waves from 20Hz-20,000Hz (cycles per second) to electrical signals your brain can process.
* Digital music is converted from analog by chopping up the signal in Time and Amplitude (Sample Rate and Bit Depth). CD's and most other digital music Sample the Analog waveform 44,100 times a second and have 65534 (16-bit signed) possible amplitude levels per sample.
* You can lossless convert the 16-bit 44.1KHz signal back to a analog waveform that has a SNR of 98dB and a frequency range of 0-22,050Hz.
* It is very unlikely you are able to hear past 18KHz by the time you're in your 30's
* Passing Ultrasonic's into a driver (speaker) can at best not provide any advantage other than wasted amplifier power and at worst degrade the parts of the audible spectrum.
* High quality compressed music (AAC, OPUS, MP3, DD, DTS, Etc.) is in-distinguishable from the original digitized source because of the way our auditory system works (Psychoacoustics). - While I'd love to get into reasons why it is past my current knowledge level. But you can start here if you want to dive in deeper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
"High-Res" audio is marketing.
The Galaxy S8's DAC+AMP is average, but as long as you're not driving a pair of high impedance headphones or have the volume cranked to the max it should be fine. - https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/7e2439/12
As for headphones no one can tell you what you will like, but I've been regularly impressed by The Wirecutter's recommendations on speakers and headphones. They do measurements and also have a group of people listen to each model, so you're not getting a single persons opinion - http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/headphones/
Make sure to scroll down; what looks like ad's (because they have prices at the bottom) are actually articles with recommended headphones and also alternatives.
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I've compared a lot in the $100-$400 range and the ones that came out on top for me were:
1. Meze 99 CLASSICS My fav https://www.mezeaudio.com/collections/all/products/meze-99-classics-walnut-silver-wood-headphones
2. ATH-MSR7
3.ATH-M50x

vibrantliker said:
I've compared a lot in the $100-$400 range and the ones that came out on top for me were:
1. Meze 99 CLASSICS My fav https://www.mezeaudio.com/collections/all/products/meze-99-classics-walnut-silver-wood-headphones
2. ATH-MSR7
3.ATH-M50x
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Going by the frequency response graphs:
Meze 99 Classics - They will sound warm (especially female vocals), average sound stage, while still having a crisp high end.
ATH-MSR7 - Not as warm, larger sound stage, high end will have more sparkle and the "I can feel it" part of bass will be more pronounced.
From personal experience:
ATH-M50x - Meh. They can sound great if calibrated, but I never cared for them otherwise.

For best quality, use a lossless formats such as WAV or FLAC but check first that they are not upsampled mp3s. If you want to save space and use mp3 format, look for a bitrate of 256kbps+ (ideally 320kbps)

vibrantliker said:
You really can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without a version of Viper4android.
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True but its not worth rooting yet the S8+ just for V4A!

N1NJATH3ORY said:
True but its not worth rooting yet the S8+ just for V4A!
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Why not?

vibrantliker said:
Why not?
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Here see this thread why I choose not to root https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/help/root-root-t3625793

You can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without actual stereo equipment high end speakers, Highs, Mids, Full range, and a bottom firing sub, biamped, triamped, and a center spaced sub, and then every speaker has to be tuned to your specific space in a deadened room. So if that is the kind of audiophile sound you want from your phone its just not going to happen. This phone sounds better than any other that I have ever owned or heard. Viper audio is crap, its just a front end for ALSA to make use of very limited power to make the tiny speakers in ear buds or over the ear anything go BOOM just a bit more. Don't waste your money on stupid high end headphones the biggest difference between most of them is the amount of stuffing they put in them to keep them from rattling, and please never ever spend more than 20 bucks for ear buds. I have a set of $18 dollar ear buds that I bought at a flying-J truck stop that sound and preform just as well as my $300 dollar Bose Bluetooth ear buds...I paid $280 for a name. (not knocking Bose I love their home audio stuff, but they got me with the ear buds) Lossless files are the way to go for sure, and if you were to use this phone as the music provider for a stereo system, the sound you would want coming out of it (because you are using it as a preamp) would be dead flat..... The Same thing goes for your car or home stereo using the Bluetooth or a direct line out of the phone into a stereo system....the sound coming out of the phone should be flat or you are EQ'ing an EQ and you are defeating the purpose of the equalizer in the stereo, you are essentially feeding the stereo digital noise, (just try it, trust me) (you wont be sorry). Let the stereo do the work let the phone be the high end preamp and it shouldn't be turned up more than half way. Oh and just so you know in not some wind bag ,, I'm giving you practical, useful, WORKING, knowledge. I have been a working Professional Musician for over 30 years. In and out of studios recording,,,,,AND many many many hundreds of shows and sound issues that have been dealt with. So take it for what its worth... and now i'm going to go loose myself with some with some Pink Floyd and Mozart..............Peace..

malebornin69 said:
You can't expect any kind of audiophile experience without actual stereo equipment high end speakers, Highs, Mids, Full range, and a bottom firing sub, biamped, triamped, and a center spaced sub, and then every speaker has to be tuned to your specific space in a deadened room. So if that is the kind of audiophile sound you want from your phone its just not going to happen. This phone sounds better than any other that I have ever owned or heard. Viper audio is crap, its just a front end for ALSA to make use of very limited power to make the tiny speakers in ear buds or over the ear anything go BOOM just a bit more. Don't waste your money on stupid high end headphones the biggest difference between most of them is the amount of stuffing they put in them to keep them from rattling, and please never ever spend more than 20 bucks for ear buds. I have a set of $18 dollar ear buds that I bought at a flying-J truck stop that sound and preform just as well as my $300 dollar Bose Bluetooth ear buds...I paid $280 for a name. (not knocking Bose I love their home audio stuff, but they got me with the ear buds) Lossless files are the way to go for sure, and if you were to use this phone as the music provider for a stereo system, the sound you would want coming out of it (because you are using it as a preamp) would be dead flat..... The Same thing goes for your car or home stereo using the Bluetooth or a direct line out of the phone into a stereo system....the sound coming out of the phone should be flat or you are EQ'ing an EQ and you are defeating the purpose of the equalizer in the stereo, you are essentially feeding the stereo digital noise, (just try it, trust me) (you wont be sorry). Let the stereo do the work let the phone be the high end preamp and it shouldn't be turned up more than half way. Oh and just so you know in not some wind bag ,, I'm giving you practical useful, knowledge.
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What do you recommended that has best audio quality for mobile use? I mean, I use the LG V20 with Viper4Arise with good headphones and it blows me away how good it sounds.

vibrantliker said:
What do you recommended that has best audio quality for mobile use? I mean, I use the LG V20 with Viper4Arise with good headphones and it blows me away how good it sounds.
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Exactly what you are doing if that is what sounds good to you.... I would ask you to do one thing and see how it sounds... if you are going to use Viper then just use Viper.... Flatten out every other EQ that you would be sending the EQ'd sound from your phone to... then just use the viper eq until you have the sound you are looking for.
As far as headphones/earbuds are concerned. I have a free standing hat rack full of them.. I use them according to the music I am listening to, But if you want my honest opinion ( and i know someone will call me stupid, not that I care,) I use a pair of Beats, over ear, with noise canceling, wired, as my go to headphones,,,, and the stock earbuds that came with my S8+ .... They are made by AKG.... You can get stupid and spend a lot of money (like thousands) trying to get better sound from a substandard tinny tiny under powered sound card,,, and never find the right equipment to get the job done... and never realize its not the equipment you are buying but the equipment you are using,, inst getting the job done

I had Lg g6 and it has better Audio than the S8 + ,definitely.

I just can't believe any professional can suggest Bose, Beats or phone stock AKG. Did you ever try them? For studio purpose you are using monitors... maybe this is why...
Try something what make sense- don't be like sheep- buying beats or bose just for brand and color? Get proper AKG, Beyerdynamic are not massively expensive or Sennheiser ie80. I would not recommend headphones over £300 because you not gonna notice any difference. EQ or any funny software- I prefer flat sound but everyone is individual...

+1 to this. With all due respect but no real professional would say that an $18 pair of buds would produce the same sound quality like a +$300 pair of westone or senheiser or any other prestigious brand in ear monitors. This post was addressed to audiophiles and obviously OP you should expect answers from real ones.
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I just can't believe any professional can suggest Bose, Beats or phone stock AKG. Did you ever try them? For studio purpose you are using monitors... maybe this is why...
Try something what make sense- don't be like sheep- buying beats or bose just for brand and color? Get proper AKG, Beyerdynamic are not massively expensive or Sennheiser ie80. I would not recommend headphones over £300 because you not gonna notice any difference. EQ or any funny software- I prefer flat sound but everyone is individual...
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Samsung's S8 phone connected with the LDAC codec with Sony's WH-1000XM2 headphone is a combination made in heaven! There is presently no other wireless pair that comes close to this combination. The key is the LDAC bluetooth codec.

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Best In-Ear (Wired) Headphones?

What's the best in-ear headphones with a mic and a button to answer/end and go to next/prev track? $50 max
Thanks
I was about to mention Shure, but with that budget you better stick to the stock headphones. They are not that bad...
I'm looking for the buds that block out sound... Like on the Apple in-ear headphones.
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I'm looking for the buds that block out sound... Like on the Apple in-ear headphones.
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Apologies for the cost, but $50 is seriously pushing it for quality headphones.
If you can spare the extra cash... Check out the Klipsch Image S4's. They're ~$80, but get HUGE props for the cost:quality ratio. I bought em, and amd SO glad I did.
You will not find better at,or near, that range... and you'll find absolutely nothing close under it. The added benefit is quite good noise cancellation capability.
http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/klipsch-image-s4-earphones/4505-7877_7-33577358.html
These don't have anything for handling media built-in unfortunately. There's a $100 version, but do note they won't work with anything except Apple products. (I almost wasted the extra $20 before doing my research)
Honestly... I don't think ANYTHING exists with everything you're looking for.. (Not at any price near what you're expecting...) Do you do any research before setting a price limit?
Seriously, just stick with the stock headphones and deal w/ no phone interaction. To get headphones w/ the capabilities you're looking for would be well out of your range.
Those Shure headphones are fantastic and do a great job blocking out the sound.
I do have to disagree with the post above regarding not being able to find something for under $50 with good sound quality and noise cancellation qualities.
As I post this I'm listening to music on my Altec Lansing Backbeats in ear earbuds.
http://www.alteclansing.com/uhp206-backbeat-plus-earphones-for-iphone-ipod-MP3-players.html
They are comfortable, have good noise cancellation (by my standards), and have excellent sound quality.
I think they have a great range and the bass doesn't muddy the audio. Best of all (in my opinion) they have cloth cables and don't gave that goofy "one side is 3 times longer than the other so you can wear em behind your head" feature.
They do everything you asked about EXCEPT they cannot hang up a call. :-(
Not a problem as this doesn't really matter to me since I can hang up on the phone or wait for the other party to disconnect.
Bought mine at my local Apple store. They have a 14 day return policy and are $49.95.
I love my Apple In Ear Headphones.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850G/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
The mic works great, comes with three sizes of rubber pads, and they are a super comfortable fit.
The buttons work with MixZing but not Music Player. Maybe someone has a plugin or drivers to support native features like volume control.
But the quality of the headphones themselves are way up there. Fantastic audio.
^ I have these now and the buttons DO work for me with the stock music player.. Just not the volume buttons. I'm too crazy about the sound quality and I"m looking for "one step up" from these...
These get great reviews over at head-fi.org
And some of you might think we are obsessed about our phones. The people over there are a notch higher on the totem poll... LOL!

Pioneer over ear headset

Hi, I'm lookin for cheaper Pioneer over ear headphones. If someone has good experience with any, please care to share. Thanks in advance!
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Pioneer... i had one but once i bought a sennheiser i totally forgot i had a pioneer... seriously pioneer probably will be okay for car audio but for earphones or headphones go for sennheiser or beats audio...
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Pioneer... i had one but once i bought a sennheiser i totally remembered i had a pioneer... seriously pioneer probably will be okay for car audio but for earphones or headphones go for sennheiser or beats audio...
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Yes, today tested many sennheisers, they are not expensive and the sound is great. Just have to decide which one I will buy.
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nowdays there are a lot of option of sennheiser.... i have one sennheiser earphone and one sennheiser headphone.... the earphone is cx300 and the headphone is hd215... i personally dont recommend you the hd215 because the treble is louder than the bass and it is actually ideal for dj's or for watching movies with lots of conversation when you really want to listen to the treble sound... My cx300 on the other hand is superbly ideal for mp3 and any form of music... unfortunately it is not an over ear headphone,it is an in ear headphone.... just make sure when u r buying your headphone u know what u r using it for and ask the sellers what is ideal for... If you want to listen music on your sensation then just go with any sennheiser headphone that has super bass, power bass or bass on its packaging...
Thank you for helping me. After reading this review:
As a semi-pro acid-trance/techno and drum & bass DJ and promotor for 20 years, and a total Audiophile, I wasn't expecting too much from these, coz as a rule you do get what you pay for. But sometimes rules are meant to be broken, and these babies SMASH the rule book to bits! They have the same tech specs as Dr Dre's Beats and the shape, size and comfort of the seminal HD 25's by Sennheiser. Having owned a pair of the latter, at £130, I wasn't expecting the HAS4X's to lay at the HD25's feet, let alone stand up to their shoulders! So, in laymans terms, what does all this mean in terms of sound? Alow me to help:
Low-end/Bass: The bass is strong, powerfull and amazingly tight, controlled and damn LOW, with a fast, punchey attack you just would never expect under £100! Add this to the fact that the bass NEVER becomes overpowering or gets in the way of the other frequencies, and the low, and even sub-bass low-end is catered for dynamicaly. Very impressive.
Low-Mid/Mid Range: This is the area that is the hardest for any headphones and speakers to reproduce without making it too weak, which makes it sound hollow, or too strong, which sounds too harsh, bright and down right awefull. These HAS4X's reproduce Mid frequencies with aplomb! Acid sounds are notoriously unforgiving, as they use all frequencies, from bass to treble, but mainly hang in the mid range, so if the mid is off in any way, you just won't get the spikey texture right, and I have to say that my Neurofunk d'n'b collection sounds fantastic through these babies! Guitars are handled with the same fidelity and controll, and again , my metal collection sounds awesome. I'm hearing instruments I never knew were in the song! There's Plenty of body to the sound, while incredibly managing to retain a good amount of transparency! Again, unheard of for under £100!
Treble/High end: The biggest mistake people make when reviewing ear/headphones, is not alowing them to 'run-in' for 24 hours. An engine won't run to it's best ability untill it's warmed up, and the same rule aplies to ALL music equipment! When you first listen to these, you may feel cheated, as although there is treble, it's not the over-bright, 'splashy' treble most people are used too with sub £100 'phones. WAIT!! Keep using them and you will start to realise that actualy, these have fantastic treble controll! They manage to reproduce the exact high end frequencies without adding any artifitial hiss, or splash. What I was Most impressed by was how capable these are at handling 'transients', like cymbal crashes, snare rim-shots and hi-hats etc. transients are the short, sharp, sudden and crisp treble sounds that normally get completely lost in the mix and even when they are present, they tend to sound splashy and loose. The HAS4x's handle transients astoundingly well! cymbals, rim-shots, snare drums and even triangles and tamborines can be heard CLEARLY in busy tracks, without being overpowering, and are sharp, controlled and have good attack.
What else can I add? The stereo soundstage is nigh-on perfect with an almost seamless blend throughout the frequencies, and even though these are not 'bright' sounding, don't mistake that for sounding muffled, as they are very open and airy. I really can't fault these headphones, as they sound as good as most in the £100-£150 bracket. they are also SOLIDLY built, with a rugid feel and thick, shielded OFC cable that has nice thick rubber protection at all joints and terminals, as well as a gold jack plug for a quality connection to your Mp3 player, stereo amp etc. And they are really comfortable (and I've got a large size head!). I was even able to jump about and dance without them even moving, let alone falling off. I love these, and am SOOOoo glad I got them. I hope you are too, as they are destined to be a much talked about contender, and in my opinion, VICTOR, to Dr Dre's Beats! They look kick ass too, which is always a bonus. 10/10 from me :-D Hope this has helped. Going back to listen to my zen now through my lovely new HAS4X's to enjoy more quality sounds again ;-) 'Thagoatboy' B. Waters
I bought :JVC HAS4X Xtreme Xplosives On Ear Headphone. I have Sony BT reciever with 3,5 mm output and my plan is to use them together. I will write feedback, maybe next week.

S8+ Sound!

Bought s8+ on the 6th, no problems till I played music while playing a game. No game in particular, they all do it. I'm a spotify user, enter an app and my volume decreases not by volume by button but physically, I have to maximize my volume to get back the sound I had before entering the application. Otherwise it's far too quiet. Not sure if a bug but there's no option to turn this off. Irritating. Anyone else know how to turn off?
I use spotify and other music apps but my sound it low with any headphones have volume full to max aswell
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I use spotify and other music apps but my sound it low with any headphones have volume full to max aswell
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I have the same problem. Don't think there's anything to be done about it, the DAC inside the phone is just not that good. Pretty disappointing to be honest.
ynrozturk said:
I have the same problem. Don't think there's anything to be done about it, the DAC inside the phone is just not that good. Pretty disappointing to be honest.
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Sound stage is highly subjective. No two individuals will enjoy the same music genre nor the way its reproduced. Some listeners prefer heavy 'boom boom' base while others enjoy a 'bright higher pitched' overall tone, then there's the billions in between those extremes.
One has to be realistic with a mobile phone that performs so many tasks. We read an awful lot about the camera, got to the point where many look at the camera before they even consider signal strength etc? No mobile can, nor should, match a DSLR. Same with the sound reproduction. One cannot compare the quality of sound against a dedicated high res player like the Astel&Kern costing 3k or similar stand alone mobile players. It has to be a question of compromise.
I never use the camera. I do listen to music an awful lot that is why I have spent many thousands of € buying various dedicated high res players. Problem is obvious. Summer day in shorts who wants to carry an DSLR, Dedicated Digital audio player and a mobile phone?
The S8+ sounds fine when paired with decent head phones either on ear or over ear plus ear buds. Many are enjoying the AKG developed ear buds that came with the mobile. I DON'T like the AKG ear buds, that is personal taste though.
Non the less considering the S8+ does so many things so well I cannot fault its sound reproduction considering its a mobile phone
If you desire a true hifidelity portable sound then you are going to have to dig very deep into your pockets. Putting that proposition to one side the S8+ can produce a very acceptable sound for the masses including myself who is a hifi junkie.
Suggestion. Try a number of different head gear ranging from ear buds to on ear head phones. OBVIOUSLY when using the on ear or around ear head phones volume will be affected as the S8+ is not designed to power such head sets even though it does a bloomin good job! When using ear buds you can achieve a high volume. Bluetooth are another option though sound quality does degrade accordingly.
So, all in all its compromise but Samsung has balanced the equation rather well. Again personal taste will always be a major factor eg, I don't enjoy the sound stage LG mobiles produce even though many people do. If you are looking for an exceptional sound stage from a mobile phone try out the Sony range, they should be good being the masters of portable hifi from the off. I enjoy both the Sony and Samsung sound reproduction but give the edge to Sony on most occasions.
Ryland:good:
ynrozturk said:
I have the same problem. Don't think there's anything to be done about it, the DAC inside the phone is just not that good. Pretty disappointing to be honest.
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Are you on the Exynos version as well? Maybe it's an Exynos problem, my Snapdragon S8+ has no problem running my Sennheiser HD700's, plenty loud at half volume. (Sounds pretty good too I might add)
Cautions said:
Bought s8+ on the 6th, no problems till I played music while playing a game. No game in particular, they all do it. I'm a spotify user, enter an app and my volume decreases not by volume by button but physically, I have to maximize my volume to get back the sound I had before entering the application. Otherwise it's far too quiet. Not sure if a bug but there's no option to turn this off. Irritating. Anyone else know how to turn off?
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I had the same problem on my Oneplus 3T so I do not think it is hardware related. (I was playing pokemon GO while listening to music)
PoLoMoTo said:
Are you on the Exynos version as well? Maybe it's an Exynos problem, my Snapdragon S8+ has no problem running my Sennheiser HD700's, plenty loud at half volume. (Sounds pretty good too I might add)
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Yep, Exynos version.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Sound stage is highly subjective. No two individuals will enjoy the same music genre nor the way its reproduced. Some listeners prefer heavy 'boom boom' base while others enjoy a 'bright higher pitched' overall tone, then there's the billions in between those extremes.
One has to be realistic with a mobile phone that performs so many tasks. We read an awful lot about the camera, got to the point where many look at the camera before they even consider signal strength etc? No mobile can, nor should, match a DSLR. Same with the sound reproduction. One cannot compare the quality of sound against a dedicated high res player like the Astel&Kern costing 3k or similar stand alone mobile players. It has to be a question of compromise.
I never use the camera. I do listen to music an awful lot that is why I have spent many thousands of € buying various dedicated high res players. Problem is obvious. Summer day in shorts who wants to carry an DSLR, Dedicated Digital audio player and a mobile phone?
The S8+ sounds fine when paired with decent head phones either on ear or over ear plus ear buds. Many are enjoying the AKG developed ear buds that came with the mobile. I DON'T like the AKG ear buds, that is personal taste though.
Non the less considering the S8+ does so many things so well I cannot fault its sound reproduction considering its a mobile phone
If you desire a true hifidelity portable sound then you are going to have to dig very deep into your pockets. Putting that proposition to one side the S8+ can produce a very acceptable sound for the masses including myself who is a hifi junkie.
Suggestion. Try a number of different head gear ranging from ear buds to on ear head phones. OBVIOUSLY when using the on ear or around ear head phones volume will be affected as the S8+ is not designed to power such head sets even though it does a bloomin good job! When using ear buds you can achieve a high volume. Bluetooth are another option though sound quality does degrade accordingly.
So, all in all its compromise but Samsung has balanced the equation rather well. Again personal taste will always be a major factor eg, I don't enjoy the sound stage LG mobiles produce even though many people do. If you are looking for an exceptional sound stage from a mobile phone try out the Sony range, they should be good being the masters of portable hifi from the off. I enjoy both the Sony and Samsung sound reproduction but give the edge to Sony on most occasions.
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Thanks for your input. I know where you're coming from because I think the same. I'm a musician so audio is kind of a big part of my life. I don't buy a phone expecting it to have the power of my DAC's or amps at home - but I want it to be decent at least. The S8's isn't decent - far from it. I've thrown a number of headphones and IEM's at it and it still performs poorly - because the DAC inside is poor. It really is that quite simple. I don't expect it to run my Beyerdynamic T1's or anything, lol. But I do expect it to run my IEM Shure or Sennheisers at least decently, which it doesn't.
I also agree about the camera part. While I do appreciate a good camera in my phone, when I go out to take pictures I would much rather have my Sony A7RII with me, along with some Zeiss glass.
Ironic that once it was the Exynos versions (Note 3) that had premium audio (Wolfson DAC) while the Snapdragon phones languished. Now it seems it's the exact opposite, lots of complaints from the Exynos crowd and nothing but praise from the Snapdragon set. I personally have the US ATT version (SD835 + Aqstic DAC) and the sound quality is superb, both with full custom Shure SE-535Vs and Sennheiser HD-700s (directly driven from the phone). Definitely a step up from my S7E.
For reference I'm also a musician with a pretty good idea of what real instruments sound like (9ft Concert Grand in my living room).

Bundled in ear headphones - am I doing it wrong?

Hi,
Firstly my perception might be warped as I've got a pair of RHA 600i, but I'm just finding the bundled headphones lack clarity - the mids and bass just muffles the sound.
I'm not testing it with ghetto boom tracks either, e.g. flac format UB40 album, Damien Marley - Stony Hill, Michael Jackson best of...
I guess the question is am I expecting far too much from them? And are my RHA 600i really that good?
Is a Fiio a worthwhile investment for RHA600i? I'm finding the volume is lacking a bit and I'm using +3db in gain to compensate via Nuetron...
Edit: I guess I was expecting more as HTC said the earphones have sonar style wizardry from the ancient dolphins from the 70s that can only be found crossing through the stained lake Cresva.
The U-Sonic headphones are known to be a bit bassy, especially if compared to some made by a company more focused on headphones or ear buds specifically. I personally like the bundled U-Sonics, but the more muddy bass you describe is filtered out and the highs brought forward with the use of V4A in my case.
They are overly bass-y, that's widely accepted.
Ty men, I'll try V4A, but I'm guessing the RHA will still win, just the idea of using HTCs solution is nice, I still miss the HK mod from One M8 days.
You can use a simple EQ to remove some of the muddy bass from the USonics. They are good for bundled headphones but nothing more. I use them for casual walks where I know I won't be paying too much attention to sound quality. If I'm sitting down for a long time like bus journeys etc then I have to pull out my P7 Wireless.
The RHA is simply more controlled than the USonic, as to be expected. I have the RHA 750i and volume is also lacking. Bare in the mind the U11 adaptor doesn't have a very powerful amp so that is the problem. Since you're using Neutron I'd suggest maybe using UAPP instead (since you have your own music). The U11 adaptor sounds a decent touch louder when using UAPP since it is accessing the DAC directly and skipping Android's mixer.
Jesus...UAPP has changed my whole listening experience. Much louder, seems like there's more clarity my 600i just came alive...
Didn't expect that.
Thanks for the recommendation.

Lg V20 B&O headphones, why so bad?

Hey guys
Just upgraded from s7 edge to this phone. I've buy lg v20 Verizon version, so after purchase I start to search b&o earphones which comes with box, so yesterday I get that one, so after 1 day using, I can say for sure this is not top level headphones. It sounds like 10€ headphones. Its not loud but have some good quality. So if someone know how to improve and upgrade sound please send some instructions
I agree with you to the fullest they were absolute terrible sounding to my ears too. Might sound cliche but my gf's apple earpods from same pricerange are much better
You could install a app with a equalizer like poweramp to color and adjust the sound you want. But soundquality wise they are not decent imo
I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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I know about this, but i was thinking that native eaphones will sounds good. Niw I'm thinking to buy some audio technical headphones
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I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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High impedance has no effect on audio quality. 3k earphones that are 16ohms are the best out there.
I swear some people just don't understand what ohms law is.....
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Well the "impedance" is a choice of the company when they designed the headset. in the past most classic high fedility headphones were high impedance (300 - 600 ohm) because they were driven by dedicated big amps.
"Impedance" itself whether it's high or not should not be a parameter it would sound good or bad.
The best modern headphones have lower impedance now and this is also choice of market because most need to be driven by a small dac or smartphone
Low impedance doesn't mean easy to drive either, some headphones really need a proper dac as fuel
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High impedance has no effect on audio quality. 3k earphones that are 16ohms are the best out there.
I swear some people just don't understand what ohms law is.....
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Oh yes. High impedance has no effect on MP3 audio quality. I fully agreed. Just buy (or download) an FLAC audio and compare listening to it. You'll know the truth. Otherwise, those people who bought high impedance HPs for very expensive price are just fools.
spiderx_mm said:
I think V20's QDAC is better suited with high-impedance headphones and good quality audio files. at least, it needs 50 ohms and 300kbps mp3 files. FLAC format is the best. I bought a Marshall Major II (non-bluetooth) headphone and buy few FLAC files. The quality is superb.
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DSD format is the best, not FLAC
Yes they are not normal B&O quality.
blackzero97 said:
Hey guys
Just upgraded from s7 edge to this phone. I've buy lg v20 Verizon version, so after purchase I start to search b&o earphones which comes with box, so yesterday I get that one, so after 1 day using, I can say for sure this is not top level headphones. It sounds like 10€ headphones. Its not loud but have some good quality. So if someone know how to improve and upgrade sound please send some instructions
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It seems that LG have just used the B&O brand on some of their own rubbish earphones. You can buy them in HK for less than $10. When I turn on the Hifi DAC sound quality in these barely changes but when I use my standard earphones (LH Labs) the sound comes alive with the HiFi DAC - with loads more detail. Fantastic experience but bin the so-called pretend B&O earphones.
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I know about this, but i was thinking that native eaphones will sounds good. Niw I'm thinking to buy some audio technical headphones
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I went through the same thing when I bought my V20 last year. The B&O earbuds totally suck.
You might want to buy a pair of the Marshalls as well as the Audio Technicas. The Marshall Major Bluetooth II are a couple of generations old now and quite cheap on Amazon. They're small and flexible. You can stretch them to fit your head perfectly. I can wear mine for hours without pain. The Audio Technicas are huge and better for listening at home.
Also, the Marshalls are more than 50 ohms. I agree with the other posters - high impedance has nothing to do with sound quality. However, with the V20 you need more than 50 ohms to kick in the quad dac. I believe that I took a pass on the Audio Technicas because they aren't 50 ohms. The Marshalls will probably survive out in the world a lot better too. I just toss mine in a bag without a case a lot of the time and they're fine.
I really didn't think that I would like those headphones as much as I do. I don't use the bluetooth connection very often but it's nice to have it anyways.
Hope you enjoy your V20. This phone is going to be my daily driver until it won't turn on anymore. I just love it.
I got the H3's for free and used them as a spare pair. Never abused them but they just fell apart. Quality on them is atrocious for a supposedly $150 retail pair of headphones. I checked out their rating with "fakespot" on amazon which analyzes for likely fake reviews and they got a rating of an F with only 23.7% reliable reviews. ha.
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Two righties???
I got mine with my lg v20 and they were defective. Literally 2 right earbuds. Both printed "R".... Is it possible that the real B&O could make such a crazy mistake??
be glad you even got headphones. Some of us didn't get them.

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