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Sony Charger not the one which came with the Phone

I have bought a new USB charger which is of 2Amph. It charges my phone amazingly fast even if i am using the phone. however the problem arises at the last point of charging that when the percentage is at 96 percent phone charges very slowly. i would like to Know if this is a problem or does it happen with all chargers?
Model : CP- AD2 2.1A output with saperate USB cable. (Looks genuine) which also come with one year warranty.

coolrevi said:
I have bought a new USB charger which is of 2Amph. It charges my phone amazingly fast even if i am using the phone. however the problem arises at the last point of charging that when the percentage is at 96 percent phone charges very slowly. i would like to Know if this is a problem or does it happen with all chargers?
Model : CP- AD2 2.1A output with saperate USB cable. (Looks genuine) which also come with one year warranty.
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I think it's a protection feature of the phone. And anyways 96 percent should be more than enough for a full day's use

The Xperia quick-charging kicks in, because you use more than 1.5amps charger.
Xperia Z will consume about 1.3A - 1.5A usually, even if your charger is sooo big, e.g 10A
But, the fast charging must stopped somewhere near 85%, and even slower at 95%, this is because the lithium-ion or lithium polymer safety consideration
at 95%, the phone charge the battery at about 100-150mA,that's why soooo slow to reach 100%

Thanks for the info guys.
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Fast Charging?!?

Hello.
Can someone explain me how on earth does fart charging works on this device?
I've tried the included cable and charger, third party chargers and i don't see any fast charging going on?!? or any indication on screen that it's happening.
I've read somewhere that you need a special cable to use with the included charger (?!?!) is this true? where do you get this cable?
Phone is amazing but the charging part is really is really weird if you ask me.
Thanks.
J.

Joao Oliveira said:
Hello.
Can someone explain me how on earth does fart charging works on this device?
I've tried the included cable and charger, third party chargers and i don't see any fast charging going on?!? or any indication on screen that it's happening.
I've read somewhere that you need a special cable to use with the included charger (?!?!) is this true? where do you get this cable?
Phone is amazing but the charging part is really is really weird if you ask me.
Thanks.
J.
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it sharges in an hour and half with me
it is quite fast

rowihel2012 said:
it sharges in an hour and half with me
it is quite fast
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do you get any message saying fast charging?

it doesnt show any fast charging message, so i wouldnt rely on such a message to make sure its working. just use the included cable and charger and ull be fine it takes about 2.5 hours to charge from 0-100% via fastcharge
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Joao Oliveira said:
do you get any message saying fast charging?
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no

rowihel2012 said:
no
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Yeah ...That's why I asked. I plugged a meter to the charger and never saw it go more than 5v 2a.
I think it needs a special cable for the 9v but I can't find any info.
2.5h is not fast charge. My old s6 edge plus used to take around 70-80 m from 5-100% if if you put the remaining 1000mah shouldn't take that long lol

Mean in 30 min 40% recharge . My phone 0 -100% charged in 2:00

trust me, it is fast charge
calculate for yourself: original huawei charger is rated at 9V 2A, thats 18W total. 2A is 2000 mA. mate 8 battery is 4000 mAh.
best case scenario: 4000 mAh / 2000 mA = 2h
now add to that the extra time it needs to charge from 85-100%, because at 85% it automatically slows down charging to prolong the health of the battery and youre at the 2.5h FAST CHARGING time
also, i dont believe for a SECOND that the S6 edge+ charged that fast in your case. check this review: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-plus-review-battery-life-and-verdict-page-6
"Fast charging comes as standard with the S6 Edge+ and it works. It charged from 0 to 100% in just 1 hour 45 minutes. Samsung claims wireless charging has also been improved – it’s 27% faster on the Edge+ compared to the normal S6 and S6 Edge."
so thats 105 minutes for 3000 mAh. add to that 33.3% to get to 4000 mAh and u get a total charging time of..... 140 minutes. which is 2 hours and 20 minutes

jbmc83 said:
trust me, it is fast charge
calculate for yourself: original huawei charger is rated at 9V 2A, thats 18W total. 2A is 2000 mA. mate 8 battery is 4000 mAh.
best case scenario: 4000 mAh / 2000 mA = 2h
now add to that the extra time it needs to charge from 85-100%, because at 85% it automatically slows down charging to prolong the health of the battery and youre at the 2.5h FAST CHARGING time
also, i dont believe for a SECOND that the S6 edge+ charged that fast in your case. check this review: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-edge-plus-review-battery-life-and-verdict-page-6
"Fast charging comes as standard with the S6 Edge+ and it works. It charged from 0 to 100% in just 1 hour 45 minutes. Samsung claims wireless charging has also been improved – it’s 27% faster on the Edge+ compared to the normal S6 and S6 Edge."
so thats 105 minutes for 3000 mAh. add to that 33.3% to get to 4000 mAh and u get a total charging time of..... 140 minutes. which is 2 hours and 20 minutes
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I will make a full test from 0 to 100. I only charged from 40 to 100 and it took way more than 2 hours... that's why i asked if any special cable was needed. And as i told i mesured the charging rate coming out of the charger and never passed the 5V.
As for non Believing. It's REALLY pisses me off when people write that crap. Why would I lie? what would i gain from it? I sold the phone because i wasn't happy with it.... On the contrary and in case you don't know most sites like the ones you post are PAID to give positive reviews.

I checked with including charger and cable and the app Ampére and it charged with 2800mah. So, in ideaal situation it means a charging time of a proximity 1h and 26min. That means "fast charging". At least in my opinion. ?

Joao Oliveira said:
I will make a full test from 0 to 100. I only charged from 40 to 100 and it took way more than 2 hours... that's why i asked if any special cable was needed. And as i told i mesured the charging rate coming out of the charger and never passed the 5V.
As for non Believing. It's REALLY pisses me off when people write that crap. Why would I lie? what would i gain from it? I sold the phone because i wasn't happy with it.... On the contrary and in case you don't know most sites like the ones you post are PAID to give positive reviews.
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that doesnt make sense what ure saying because in this case the site actually stated a HIGHER amount of minutes that it would take the s6 edge plus to fully charge from 0-100% so what now, theyre getting paid to write negative reviews as well?
also, no, ure not "gaining" anything from that, but people tend to exaggerate a lot, do a quick "drive by" in a thread and post random statements based on non-correctly remembered experiences and this is exactly how false statements are converted into "truths / facts". read my post and tell me where exactly i listed anything wrong. check various reviews on the mate 8, they all stare the same thing: about 2.5h for a full charge, give or take 10-20 min. it also compares perfectly with the charging time of the s6 edge+ in terms of mAh/min, and in fact these two phones are indeed VERY close, mate 8 being at 49mAh/min and the s6 series at around 50-52, so just marginally faster... which, again, is also represented by the numbers i listed in my post before
and again: there is NO extra message or notification stating ure in fast charge mode on the mate 8, it just does its job, thats it!
if ure getting slower charging rates / voltages, make sure to use the original charger and original cable and both with a proper high voltage power outlet.
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I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy

nighthawk626 said:
I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy
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Yes im checked It is true
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lucky then that i always leave my phone alone when its charging
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nighthawk626 said:
I noticed the fast charging only really kicks in if you leave your phone alone. But if you keep using it while it's charging, it just charges at regular speed. But the moment I put the phone down and screen of for 5 minutes, it quick charges like crazy
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I hadn't tested this. After i turn off my phone, a few minutes later it jumps to 9V 2A on my meter. If you turn it back on it goes down to 5V 1A. Must be a phone security thing, which is kinda cool in a way if you ask me.
Btw Apparently quick charge works with non original chargers too. I have a Cheotech 60W 6 port usb with 2 Quick charge ports (which supports 9V 2A/ 12V 1.5A) and it works Using the original cable though.

Don't use fast charging unless you really need it.
Always fast charging overnite (when you're not actually using the phone for many hours) can only shorten your battery longevity more quickly then with normal charging.

Joao Oliveira said:
I hadn't tested this. After i turn off my phone, a few minutes later it jumps to 9V 2A on my meter. If you turn it back on it goes down to 5V 1A. Must be a phone security thing, which is kinda cool in a way if you ask me.
Btw Apparently quick charge works with non original chargers too. I have a Cheotech 60W 6 port usb with 2 Quick charge ports (which supports 9V 2A/ 12V 1.5A) and it works Using the original cable though.
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is there option somewhere to turn it off? plz
themissionimpossible said:
Don't use fast charging unless you really need it.
Always fast charging overnite (when you're not actually using the phone for many hours) can only shorten your battery longevity more quickly then with normal charging.
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stesteste said:
is there option somewhere to turn it off?
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When I'm going to recharge for many hours overnite I use a 1A travel charger.

i guess thats the best way to restrict charging amperage although it shouldnt hurt the battery so much, considering that the amperage drops off sharply once level reaches 85% and above...
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Charging a phone with a lower rated current, will cause the charger to "try and match" the current requested.
Amps work in that manner, the device determines the draw. For example, using a 5v 5a (theoretical device) on a 5v 1a device will likely melt your adapter / screw up your phone from improper voltages.
In that case, an adapter may heat up, or if its smart enough (unlikely), it will turn off periodically. Most of the time, it will have an unstable voltage (undervolting) which is how some phones are able to detect an improper charger is used. This is bad for your battery.
I do not recommend charging with a charger that isn't rated for it. This is widely documented.

Quick charge not working.

Hi. Posted this in a couple other places already. Got my XZ yesterday and it doesn't come with a quick charger. Fine, I bought some. None of them are working though.
Tried Anker and Aukey, and also the charger from my wife's HTC 10. Any ideas why this isn't working?
Everything I've read (the specs on the official site) say that this phone supports Quick Charge. I've tested the HTC 10 in all 3 chargers and it quick charges so I know it's not them.
Tried it with Battery Care off and nothing. When Battery Care is on all I get is messages saying "Battery Care has crashed" or something. Pretty annoying, considering I just dropped about £50 on new chargers!

fatguy666 said:
Hi. Posted this in a couple other places already. Got my XZ yesterday and it doesn't come with a quick charger. Fine, I bought some. None of them are working though.
Tried Anker and Aukey, and also the charger from my wife's HTC 10. Any ideas why this isn't working?
Everything I've read (the specs on the official site) say that this phone supports Quick Charge. I've tested the HTC 10 in all 3 chargers and it quick charges so I know it's not them.
Tried it with Battery Care off and nothing. When Battery Care is on all I get is messages saying "Battery Care has crashed" or something. Pretty annoying, considering I just dropped about £50 on new chargers!
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Sony enable Quick Charge only when battery is under 60% for safety reason.

AndroPlus said:
Sony enable Quick Charge only when battery is under 60% for safety reason.
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Battery was at 15% dude.
When it's quick charging, does it give any indication? I know the HTC 10 says "charging rapidly".

fatguy666 said:
Battery was at 15% dude.
When it's quick charging, does it give any indication? I know the HTC 10 says "charging rapidly".
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There is no indication.
You can check with Ampere.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
This app doesn't show exact charging current, but if it shows over 2,000 mAh (wait about 30 sec) quick charge is working.
Please note there are heat throttling, so quick charge is disabled when device is really hot.

I bought Aukey QC 3.0 and when the phone is over 85%, I get 680ma; below that I get higher rates over 1000ma.
UPDATE: I put my phone in charge at 50% and I got over 2000ma but when it reached 80%, it changed to 600ma. So it supports quick charging but when it reaches to almost full, it activate battery optimization for the safety of the battery.

confirming above, I also came from a HTC10 and was expecting to see a "charging rapidly" message. My XZ also doesnt display this.
When using GSAM, I can see the rate of change of charge, when connected to a QC2.0 or a QC 3.0 charger and at low battery capacity, I can see rate of change of up to 60% per hour, this is in line with my other QC phones. It does appear that Sony throttles charge speeds more than HTC does above 80%, but I can understand that, and it doesnt bother me too much.

Yeah, I've had some time to look at Ampere and would conclude the same.
My XZ on the Anker charger is peaking about 2190ma when charging at a low percent, whereas my Z2 on the old standard charger peaks around 730ma - this is after 5 minutes for both.
Was just a little freaked that it didn't indicate that it was "charging rapidly". Guessing the throttling will also help battery life, although it was a bit of a sore one seeing the wife's HTC 10 peak around 2900ma.

Anyone know if the Galaxy s7 chargers will output 3.0 with the international models??

Did you buy a used phone? My XZ came with an OEM SONY QC 3.0 rated charger. Using Gsam battery monitor pro I get readings up to 2200+ mAh charge rates between 30 and 60% battery. That is generally considered to be the safest range to fast charge lithium ion batteries (fast charge generally being a charge rate higher than .5C, which for this phone is 1450mAh). I don't get any indication it is fast charging, it just does it. QC 3.0 applies a varying voltage and amperage throughout the charge, offering more gradual and "healthy" charge curves as opposed to conventional or QC 2.0 charging. Basically your QC 3.0 charger charges the battery as fast as is possible while not sacrificing battery life (say due to excess heat or overcharging).

Hi, I have recently bought a new XZ & bought the original Sony charger UCH12W at same time. The hour of charged is need approx. 2 hours from the battery percentage 30% to 100%. Is that any one face this ? Or maybe is my charger or either my phone problem.

Try this
Use the the detect usb in the notification keys before connecting the charger,, this will solve the fast recharging issues,, even if phone will recognice charging after few seconds,, charging will be fast and normal

Lt.Oscar said:
Use the the detect usb in the notification keys before connecting the charger,, this will solve the fast recharging issues,, even if phone will recognice charging after few seconds,, charging will be fast and normal
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this solves the problem, its sad that you need to do this first and its not automatically fast charging .

Still buggy
Its the only method that i find it working,,, but still there is a chance that phone still wont charge fast so keep an eye on the charging process,, and its temporary solution till next update for soctware as i hope its a bug in android 7

Best PD charger for overnight

Hi,
I have never had such trouble or sensitivity on finding a charger. Full disclosure, I ordered the 18watt factory google one to have for my office when I need a real kick and the in box on for my bag. What I am thinking is what is the best slower charger for the night stand. I just don't think it is prudent to shock fast charge a device each night if I really don't need it in 30 mins.
Anyone find anything good. Amazon sucks so far for this, at least for me. I am so worried about the proper handshake for all these PD off brand chargers.

Li ion batteries can handle the faster initial charge, but last bit does require sipping rather than chugging. Yes we all feel your pain with all these new chargers. For overnight your existing slow chargers will work just fine using the included USB a to c cable. If you don't have any other USB pd chargers just keep the supplied one with you when you travel.

testinguser said:
Li ion batteries can handle the faster initial charge, but last bit does require sipping rather than chugging. Yes we all feel your pain with all these new chargers. For overnight your existing slow chargers will work just fine using the included USB a to c cable. If you don't have any other USB pd chargers just keep the supplied one with you when you travel.
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Fair. I just want to make sure I have a proper fast charger in my bag.
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True overnight you can do with just about any charger, as youre not in a hurry to charge.

testinguser said:
Li ion batteries can handle the faster initial charge, but last bit does require sipping rather than chugging. Yes we all feel your pain with all these new chargers. For overnight your existing slow chargers will work just fine using the included USB a to c cable. If you don't have any other USB pd chargers just keep the supplied one with you when you travel.
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So would you suggest not using the official charger overnight? Would using a slower charger increase the working life of the battery?

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?
I turned on battery care mode.

Battery care is turned on?

Mine also came with a slow charger. When I plug it to my portable battery, it can still be pretty fast (and hot...)

With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.

L3RAT said:
With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.
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Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.

jeffreywen said:
Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.
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Try to keep it turned on then. I guess Sony could set offline charging to minimal settings and control QuickCharge with software. Try "Ampere" app to check how many ampers are you getting while charging (download from play store, no root required). It should oscillate from 700mA to 2500mA. If not (e.g. stuck at 1000mA) it means your charger could be defective and should be exchange for new one.

man. I got 75% in an hour while the phone was off :/ using the same charger as yours so there must be a problem, try to change the cable

Guys does anyone know if the USB type-C cable which comes with the non-fast charger is 3.0 Quick Charge compatible?? I've ordered a Anker 3.0 Quick Charge charger just wanted to make sure the cable is.

My case is even worse, tales 3 hours to charge from 13% to 97%
I am even using the newest Sony 3A usb c to c quick charger!
What the hell..

XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.

bucho144 said:
XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.
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Good post, thanks for sharing,
I ve recently brought Anker PowerPort+1 charger QC3.0 compatible and used stock Sony cable and max output I got was 2180mA max using Ampere too.. What my question is now what should the XZ be drawing max? near 3000mA?? Battery care Off.
Ive ordered PortaPow 20AWG cable it states its also QC3.0 compatible so lets see how much it get and if it makes any difference to the charge times.
I will post my results in the next 2 days.