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My entry into the smartphone/pda industry was an original HTC Tilt/Kaiser. I loved it and still do.
Recently I renewed my contract with AT&T and made the knee jerk decision to get an iPhone 3GS. I was enamored with the phone in the beginning but its over. I am trying to decide which phone to get but none of them fit the bill! So I need some assistance deciding when to sell my iPhone to buy a newer one.
I want to sell it while its still crazy priced on ebay and I can land over $700 for it still heh... crazy people.... So I want to time it about a month prior to the release of the phone I am after.
The one I am eyeballing now is the Sony xperia x10. Although I do sort of want windows mobile (my currency trading broker has some sweet trading software for it.) But I will take the hit and use android with a vpn to my home pc.
I really want a high end phone with a great camera and fast processor and beautiful large screen for multimedia and stock charts...
So what future phones for AT&T fit the bill? Also, if they are not a AT&T direct release is a big plus also since you can get cheaper internet. (Yes I am looking at you x1 users! I hate you!)
mercilus said:
I really want a high end phone with a great camera and fast processor and beautiful large screen for multimedia and stock charts.
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Hi Mercilus
The obvious phone that fits that descreption is the HD2 (or Leo, depending how it's being branded where you are), however, for me i would choose the Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium) as it has a phisical keyboard, as a Winmo user, I am unaware of the stats of the android phones lying around
(Go For Winmo )
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I would go for Rhodium or Leo
Thanks for the responses I will research into those a bit.
Doing a quick search and it seems they both are expected any time now?
Still trying to decypher if they are available for US-AT&T 3g.
Rhodium is out since some moths
Tils2 is the name of it on at&t and I guess it has 3G...
And for Leo I know it´s also already out in Europe
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Rhodium is out since some moths
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LOL...now that's funny
Htc leo/hd2 is coming exclusively to t-mobile u.s.a
For People saying get the HD2 a.k.a HTC LEO, that phone is coming EXCLUSIVELY to T-Mobile U.S.A. If you want that on at&t that means you have to buy the unlocked version and get only EDGE on at&t.
I know this since I follow t-mobile usa and htc on twitter and they both said it. Phonedog said and even facebook said it. Go google it if you doubt me.
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For People saying get the HD2 a.k.a HTC LEO, that phone is coming EXCLUSIVELY to T-Mobile U.S.A. If you want that on at&t that means you have to buy the unlocked version and get only EDGE on at&t.
I know this since I follow t-mobile usa and htc on twitter and they both said it. Phonedog said and even facebook said it. Go google it if you doubt me.
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Yeah, that definately would be a problem. I definately do enjoy using high speed data, so 3g is a must.
So for the current phone options, it looks like I may be keeping my iPhone 3gs for a bit longer god it hurts to say that.....
Any ideas what I should keep my eye on for the future? The LG Expo looks pretty cool but I dont know if I trust LG....
People here have a bias for HTC, and I don't think they considered that you might want a phone that is being offered by your carrier.
So you are satisfied with Windows Mobile and HTC was a good Xperiance.
I suggest HTC Touch Pro2 or an LG Expo.
HTC Touch Pro2 for functionality.
LG Expo for speed, and performance.
i've been using a dopod u1000 / athena / ameo / advantage for quite some time now...and finally opted to sell it.
just got myself a brand new htc touch pro 2 sprint. definitely worth it!
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People here have a bias for HTC, and I don't think they considered that you might want a phone that is being offered by your carrier.
So you are satisfied with Windows Mobile and HTC was a good Xperiance.
I suggest HTC Touch Pro2 or an LG Expo.
HTC Touch Pro2 for functionality.
LG Expo for speed, and performance.
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Very true about the bias.
If you want something like the Tilt ... you could probably get the Tilt 2 for cheap on ebay.
lg expo. just the lg expo.
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lg expo. just the lg expo.
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Here is what I anticipate and what I know and I will list as Pros of the Touch Pro2 (AKA HTC Tilt2) over the LG Expo:
Pros:
Stereo speaker (LG Expo does not have 2-speakers)
Tilting screen (LG Expo does not have)
Dual microphones (LG Expo does not have 2-mics)
Touch FLO3D Home Screen (subjective) (LG Expo does not have)
Better keyboard design and feedback (subjective)
HTC's tendency to offer updates (input fields will be enlarged finger friendly!)
LED Indicators for CAPS Lock and FN Lock, which has proven useful
LG Expo's Point Of View
Pros:
Projector attachment (HTC Tilt2 does not have)
Twice the CPU speed (technical) (HTC Tilt2 does not have)
Fingerprint reader and scroll pad (HTC Tilt2 does not have)
Other Stuff
Things that I never consider when comparing phones: form factor and size difference, and XDA Support (cause I rarely flash and do that kind of stuff).
Things that you must consider when reading my opinions: I have never laid my hands on an LG Expo. I never touched the LG Expo keyboard but from the looks of it, the keys look amazing, but I've laid my hands on top keyboards before and Touch Pro2 is the best so I am just guessing that LG Expo isn't as good.
As you can see, if you need a speedy device with keyboard almost as good as the Touch Pro2, get the LG Expo. If you are tired of the lag of the likes of Xperia X1, Touch Pro1, or Touch Diamond, then maybe LG Expo is better than Touch Pro2.
If you really like the fact that you have an indicator their to watch your back and protect you from Capitalization/Symbol typography-mistakes, and if you like a beautiful home-screen to soothe your stress while you load a movie and watch it via a 3.5 inch tilting screen with high quality and loud volume, then get the Touch Pro2.
However, you might consider getting external bluetooth speakers and attach that projector on the expo so you can have a movie experience, but the setup is just too much of a wasted time. The same goes for the TV-Out on the Touch Pro2.
The best reason to get Expo2 is for speedier response and for projected presentations (not entertainment).
The best reason to get Touch Pro2, aka Tilt2, is for it's multimedia value and capabilities (better sound, tilting screen) and for the effectiveness of typing messages (especially when you don't make mistakes with CAPs indicators).
What would seal the deal for me was that if the CAPs button had the LED indicator build into the button, it would be perfect. The same desire applies to the FN button. Besides, sometimes I forget to read the indicator because I am used to looking at the indicator directly on top of my CAPs button on my laptop.
Robson said:
i've been using a dopod u1000 / athena / ameo / advantage for quite some time now...and finally opted to sell it.
just got myself a brand new htc touch pro 2 sprint. definitely worth it!
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Why?
I was hoping for an advantage as an upgrade to the Universal. To me, the touch pro2 is just too small and fiddly.
coldpenguin said:
Why?
I was hoping for an advantage as an upgrade to the Universal. To me, the touch pro2 is just too small and fiddly.
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apologies as this is deviating from the topic =)
the thing is, i've been using my u1000 for like 3 years now. don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic device. but i've also outgrown the size factor. meaning, the u1000 is not as easy to carry around unless you tuck it in your pocket...in which case you'll have a bulge that deserves its own zip code. of course there are pouches or cases that can be strapped on your belt...not that i'm not a fan of it...and there is simply carrying it around with one hand. given that, when a call comes through i either have to use the handsfree or bluetooth...the former of which has a dangling wire which i'm not too comfortable with...and the latter which can be a drain as you constantly have to be aware of battery life (both for the bt and u1000)...and trust me, i never had plans of putting the unit right next to my ear to answer a call. again, it's a fantastic device but my preferences have changed. so last monday, sent it off to a buyer in ebay and then got myself a touch pro 2.
on that note, i was considering a touch hd 2, an acer m900, lg expo, and the touch pro 2. my views in order of preference
touch pro 2 - keyboard is fantastic. was able to try this out myself when i borrowed my mate's unit. tilt screen is awesome and the display was simply tops. i already have a 16gb micro sd so memory is no problem.
touch hd 2 - fantastic all out but lacks a physical keyboard of which i've gotten used to.
lg expo - a very good contender but the screen doesn't tilt. plus i get all the support i need through this site for an htc. not really a fan of the fingerprint thingee. i was able to play around with this while in hong kong. keys are good (definitely better than the acer m900 per below) but not on par with the touch pro 2. for the projector which you need to purchase separately, there's a whole bunch of mobile projectors that can be bought and linked to your ppc.
acer m900 - lacks memory (@128 ram), while in hong kong i was able to fiddle with one and i must say that the design wasn't as good...no offense to anyone using it. keyboard was not as easy (sticking keys), screen does not tilt, sliding the keypad kinda gave me the feel that it would eventually fall off (?) as it was "shaky"
Robson said:
apologies as this is deviating from the topic =)
the thing is, i've been using my u1000 for like 3 years now. don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic device. but i've also outgrown the size factor. meaning, the u1000 is not as easy to carry around unless you tuck it in your pocket...in which case you'll have a bulge that deserves its own zip code. of course there are pouches or cases that can be strapped on your belt...not that i'm not a fan of it...and there is simply carrying it around with one hand. given that, when a call comes through i either have to use the handsfree or bluetooth...the former of which has a dangling wire which i'm not too comfortable with...and the latter which can be a drain as you constantly have to be aware of battery life (both for the bt and u1000)...and trust me, i never had plans of putting the unit right next to my ear to answer a call. again, it's a fantastic device but my preferences have changed. so last monday, sent it off to a buyer in ebay and then got myself a touch pro 2.
on that note, i was considering a touch hd 2, an acer m900, lg expo, and the touch pro 2. my views in order of preference
touch pro 2 - keyboard is fantastic. was able to try this out myself when i borrowed my mate's unit. tilt screen is awesome and the display was simply tops. i already have a 16gb micro sd so memory is no problem.
touch hd 2 - fantastic all out but lacks a physical keyboard of which i've gotten used to.
lg expo - a very good contender but the screen doesn't tilt. plus i get all the support i need through this site for an htc. not really a fan of the fingerprint thingee. i was able to play around with this while in hong kong. keys are good (definitely better than the acer m900 per below) but not on par with the touch pro 2. for the projector which you need to purchase separately, there's a whole bunch of mobile projectors that can be bought and linked to your ppc.
acer m900 - lacks memory (@128 ram), while in hong kong i was able to fiddle with one and i must say that the design wasn't as good...no offense to anyone using it. keyboard was not as easy (sticking keys), screen does not tilt, sliding the keypad kinda gave me the feel that it would eventually fall off (?) as it was "shaky"
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TBH, Acer is the worst of them all, and Touch Pro2 and HD2 are the best.
And the LG Expo isn't that good either but it is a sign that LG is finally making good phones. I'm tired of their voyagers and env's which are too popular in the U.S. and they are the worst 'smartphones' ever. Their new chocolates with 4 in super-wide displays and 4.8 inch super-wide displays have also increased my enthusiasm for LG phones.
Is HTC Desire S' screen resistive or capacitive? I just want to know if these Stylus pens will work with it:
1. 1st Option
2. 2nd Option
3. 3rd Option
4. 4th Option
5. 5th Option
Of course i would like LED+Laser+Stylus+Ball pen, but the one that is good. Mostly i need stylus+ball pen and LED+Laser would be optional.
Mostly i need this item for signatures and drawing. Which one would you recommend?
Thanks for reading my thread guys
the desire s has a capacitive touch screen so i don't think the stylus' will work. But i've never tried to use a stylus myself so it may work.
The last one claims to work with most touch screen devices. I don't think any of the others will as most of them specify resistive touch screens.
i use the negative end of a 1.5v AAA battery works great for me on my desire s, but if you want a propper stylus then your best bet is to use any one that says compatible with Iphone, pod or pad, as they are all capacative. there are also a few guides on youtube on how to make relatively cheap stylus' as HTC's official model is around 16.99!
Number 5 is the only 1 that will work,and only because it has a rubber end,the Stylus is of no use(trust me i've tried more or less all Stylus types when i had the normal desire)plus you can pick one up on ebay for a few pound
Hi to all my fellow Photon Q LTE owners.
I pre-ordered the Photon as soon as it was available and have enjoyed it since the day it was released.
But, the lack of removable battery, disappointment with the keyboard, (poor feel, limited key travel, entering a question mark requires pressing SHIFT) and the loss of the extra .3 inch of screen to the permanent button toolbar, has me considering the LG Mach.
After recently demo-ing the LG Mach, I really liked the removable battery and the keyboard. The keyboard has so much spacing between keys that no-look typing is easy, in addition they keys are raised keys with long travel. I find the keyboard to be a huge improvement over my Photon Q whose keys lacks ample spacing, key travel, and generally feels "flat".
Yes, I prefer the PhotonQ's 4.3" screen, But, the extra .3 of screen gets taken up by the tab yoolbar at the bottom, so the screens seem to be equal between the Mach and the Photon.
Although, I wonder if the LG Mach's dedicated physical buttons lower it's chances of getting Android updates in the future ????
Bottom line, I think I prefer the LG vs the Photon stock vs stock.
But, support from LG is a major unknown and concern for me.
Can anyone comment on LG's future support of the phone compared to Motorola's support of the Photon?
My former device was an LG. And I'll never ever buy another LG device! I've never experienced such a bad software support with any other device I had or I've heard about...
It's like choosing better from the list of worst!!!
Go for Samsung at least they support their nearly all products lineup...
Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
matriX1218 said:
It's like choosing better from the list of worst!!!
Go for Samsung at least they support their nearly all products lineup...
Sent from my Motorola Photon 4G via Reliance
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I require a QWERTY keyboard, so Samsung is not an option as of now.
Plus, I need to have the on/off button at the top of the phone as well.
Returning my LG Mach
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I require a QWERTY keyboard, so Samsung is not an option as of now.
Plus, I need to have the on/off button at the top of the phone as well.
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I'm going from the LG Mach to the Photon. Physical keyboard is a must for me as well. But, the real show stopper for me was no LED notification light for missed calls, voicemails, emails, etc. Without being able to root the phone, I can find a supported program (Light flow, etc.)
The embedded battery scares the h*** out of me, but I see the vehicle mount, and the desktop charging cradle as an expensive workaround.
[email protected] said:
The embedded battery scares the h*** out of me, but I see the vehicle mount, and the desktop charging cradle as an expensive workaround.
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Have you seen the Costco deal? Free vehicle mount and external battery/charger:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1934207
Its a steal if you have a Costco membership or a friend with one.
Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any hands-on experience with the Note 10.1 2014 edition and can comment on whether there are significant improvements in the accuracy of the Spen with the 2014 edition in comparison with the original Note 10.1.
I'm not referring to extra features, but rather improved accuracy in writing and drawing. I also and emphasizing that whoever wants to comment on this to please have actual hands-on experience with both tablets. I am trying to make a decision on whether to upgrade, and the only thing so far that would make me want to upgrade is if there is some real improvement in pen accuracy.
Thank you
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Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any hands-on experience with the Note 10.1 2014 edition and can comment on whether there are significant improvements in the accuracy of the Spen with the 2014 edition in comparison with the original Note 10.1.
I'm not referring to extra features, but rather improved accuracy in writing and drawing. I also and emphasizing that whoever wants to comment on this to please have actual hands-on experience with both tablets. I am trying to make a decision on whether to upgrade, and the only thing so far that would make me want to upgrade is if there is some real improvement in pen accuracy.
Thank you
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Discriibe what you mean by accuracy as it draws whar I draw and types what I write.
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Discriibe what you mean by accuracy as it draws whar I draw and types what I write.
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Actually, I'm also interested in the OP question. I find that that the tip is displaced from where it is registered and that this gets worse the nearer the edges you get. It's also insensitive to the tilt of the pen so how accurate the tip gets depends very much on how you hold the pen and what angle you hold the tablet. At the right angle it's pretty good but if I put the tablet flat on a table and try to take notes it gets very inaccurate.
If you're just making continuous smooth curves it's okay as it tracks the movements of the stylus quite accurately. The issue is if you need to go back over what you've written/drawn because where you place the tip won't match where the next stroke appears.
I fear many of these problems are limitations of Wacom's technology. The issue of inaccuracy near edges/corners appears to be a common complaint among a number of devices that use Wacom digitizers and because it's the base of the pen not the tip that's recognized and there's no active tracking of stylus tilt the angle issue is inevitable unless you're holding the stylus at 90 degrees at all times.
That being said, I played with some Windows 8 based machines on the weekend to compare the stylus. The Surface Pro uses Wacom, I believe, and had some of the same issues, although it seemed to be somewhat more accurate over a larger part of the screen only got bad at the very edges.
Another big advantage of Windows 8 is it has options for left and right handed use and a recalibration option built into the driver. Both features should improve accuracy somewhat based on how you hold the stylus. Driver improvements could significantly improve the experience on the Note 10.1 if Samsung were to implement them.
I also tried a Sony Duo 13 laptop which uses the N-trig digitizer. The pen has to have a battery so it's bigger and heavier, although I don't mind that. I also found it triggered strokes when it was hovering (not touching) sometimes and sometimes failed to trigger when touching. I don't know if this is a general problem or maybe the battery was low or something. I will say, though, that the positional accuracy of the stylus when it worked was significantly better than the Wacom digitizers I've tried. So much so that I'm seriously considering that machine as a replacement for my laptop. But it's more the size/weight of an ultrabook than a tablet. Too bad Sony didn't include the N-trig in it's android tablet which otherwise looks pretty nice.
the issues described by tmagritte above include what I am referring to.
I just picked up the 30GB wifi version last night and can confirm that problems still remain. I went back to Best Buy today and both their demos are similarly inaccurate. It is pretty good until you are within 1 cm of the edge of the display. The easiest way to observe the issue is to use a drivers license or similar as a straight edge and draw horizontal and diagonal lines in the S Note application with the grid paper background while maintaining a constant pen angle. I'm shocked that Samsung still hasn't released a calibration app for the Note series.
Hello.
My wife just bought this tablet, the 2014 10.1, and she is very distraught over the inaccuracy of the s-pen in certain areas of the screen, especially in the middle of the screen, when she draws a straight line through the middle of the screen it bows around 2 center point in the screen, making underline text that you've written almost impossible on those parts of the screen. Has anyone else noticed this particular inaccuracy or do you think this tablet is defective?
We have another 3 weeks before opening a case on ebay, we bought it refurbished, sealed in manufacture box.
EDIT: I just found the cause after some tinkering of my own.. The Magnet in the flip cover case she was using was distorting the s-pens accuracy, removed the case, works just fine now. Be advised, this happens, apparently.
Hi,
I just purchased a Moto G XT1032 (Canada Telus Prepaid if it matters) and it came with 4.4.4 out of the box. I'm coming from a Nexus 5 and I understand the Moto G is not built to compete with the N5 but I'm disappointed with the touch response or I think "input lag". Although I have a Nexus 5, I've never rooted or flashed any custom rom before so I have no idea if that will help on the Moto G.
I'm satisfied with the performance of the Moto G except when it comes to just the general input lag which I'm not really sure is a result of the cpu/gpu/memory. I have an older slower single core Windows 7 phone which is able to keep up with my finger location.
To demonstrate my issue, if you go into developer settings and set pointer location on and then move your finger quickly across the screen, the pointer location is always about half a centimeter behind my finger trail. On the N5 the pointer location is always tracking my finger. I can't outrun it. This happens at all time, even right after a reboot, so it's not due to cpu/memory suffocation. I just wonder if it's Android in general throttling the system to keep the system from avoiding lag or if it's just a touch driver issue?
Would trying a custom rom help? My brother has the same Moto G and the input lag is the same on his so I highly doubt my device is defective. I have a few more days to return the device. Again I'm not complaining about the performance of the device in general, I just wish it would register my finger movements more quickly. I play Wordaments a lot which isn't an intensive game, but the audio/visual feedback of my finger movement does help me keep my rhythm/tempo going. Even on my very old Windows Phone 7 LG Quantum, which is a single core 800MHz or 1GHz, I can score better because of the audio/visual feedback is faster. Also tried a new game last night called Sky Force 2014 and found it very aggrivating to play on the Moto G. The ship I'm controlling moves delayed compared to my finger location.
I do not have the maginification gesture set to on, so it can't be that either.
Thank you.
Edit: Just tried the same stuff on my mother's Samsung Galaxy S2 with 4.1.2 stock which is a slow device and it had just as quick finger/pointer location tracking as my Nexus 5. So this must clearly be a touch driver issue. I'm just looking for someone who can confirm that a custom rom can improve the touch input lag on the Moto G, so I can better decide whether to keep it and try experimenting with it or rather just accept that the touch hardware is capped at this speed and should return it.
Edit #2: The N5 and SGS2 have screen protectors, while the Moto G's and the LG Quantum are bare glass. The SGS2 is 480x800 to the Moto G's 720x1280 so it does have an advantage in that the gpu has less pixels to draw but still in the case of the pointer location it's not really drawing much, just a cross-hair and pointer trail.
I think you have a defective unit. Return it and get another one. Mine works like a boss so... Good luck
I have no imput lag too, maybe it's just your device and you should try warranty.
Thanks for the input guys. I must be quite unlucky, I bought the other one for my brother over a month ago and they both behave the same. He came from a Samsung Discover so he doesn't care.