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So, I managed that rarest of all things, I got a good deal out of my mobile provider - unlimited everything including data, tethering, roaming and a new handset for £25 upfront and £30 a month for 2 years. The handset is a P20 Pro, black, unlocked and dual SIM. Not too a shabby deal I think.
However, now I'm left with a bit of a First World issue. Should I keep the P20 Pro or sell it on Fleabay and wait for the new Mate 20 Pro, or even the Pixel 3 XL?
I should say that right now I have a Mate 10 Pro for work and a Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S for private. I could combine obviously and get my It guys to enable the P20 on the work network and have one phone with 2 SIMs. BUT, the new Mate 20 Pro is coming, I don't mind MIUI (I especially like the desktop mode, most underrated and best feature by far!). The phone is lovely in hand and the camera is fantastic ( I imagine, I haven't switched it on).
but I do like Google "au naturel", ie Pixel phones. On the other hand I really. really don't like notches.... The Pixel 3 XL has got the mother of all notches (unless the rumours are true) and the P20 Pro has one too. The Mi Mix 2S doesn't have a notch and is bezel-free. I am not a narcissist, I know what I look like, I don't feel the need to validate myself to others by constantly taking and sharing selfies, so the location of the front camera is not an issue in the slightest (not that it makes much difference in use any ways). Also the screen gesture navigation system on Xiaomi is excellent. Cons, it is heavy, the camera is not on a par apparently.
So, the P20 Pro, keep or swap?
I'm in the same boat as you to be honest. I love my P20 Pro don't get me wrong and I was one of the lucky ones that got a bootloader unlock code in time.
However the Mate 20 Pro and the Kirin 980 are very appealing, just the thought of no bootloader unlock is my concern.
I think I'll wait to see what the Pixel 3 offers then make my decision then as it might be the likely contender for me. Just hoping the P20 Pro holds a good value is all.
I had the same fortune as OP, my P20 Pro has been literally given by my network provider... 7€, that's it no payment hidden in a new type of subscription, just plain offered, just for being in tacitly reconducted deal on a special offer from theirs (130go per month data plan, unlimited calls to aunty destination mobile or landline in the world and of course no roaming in the EU, and some other goodies) so I jumped on their offer, as I am not tied to them, I can jump ship to any other provider at any time no cost. But I also had this really first world problem, I already had the OnePlus 5t and the Pixel 2XL...
And I feel common sense, no need for more than one, or ok, two for a backup or travel device, but three devices, mhm, really odd.
But the phone itself is really reliable, and battery wise is a beast by itself, and I have looked at the Pie beta for it, and seeing first hand what it brought to my Google pixel unit, in terms of freshness and optimizations, I am sure it will improve the experience.
The only thing that I don't like about the P20 Pro is that the settings are really not coherent, like something's there, but not in the place where you would like to find them. For everything else it is a serviceable device. And in the Pie update settings are found to be streamlined a bit better. So, I hope to see it in action.
If only the os were a little less hungry and aggressive sometimes, power wise, and stick more to Google's or OnePlus presentation, it would be perfect.
I don't know what to expect from the 3XL, but it will be another good phone. So if you are happy toying with the camera, the P20 Pro, now, or later on Pie, will be excellent to keep. Bi monthly updates and security patches, that's at least how it worked out for me and it's fine.
Putting the Pro up for sale un-opened. Very difficult, but I think it's worth having the money in the bank for the new phone coming.
If I had the choice of of get rid, I like flashing ROMs and this has very few. Treble are ok but lots broken.
Shame as it's a great device
I would definitely wait. My P20 Pro isn't as fast or smooth as my cheaper Mix 2S. The next generation Kirin chip will be in the Mate 10 Pro and P20 Pro that are coming out and it's supposed to be about 20% faster than the CPU in this phone.
G020A : Verizon (USA)
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/32/38/40/41/66
G020C : USA, Canada
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
LTE: Bands B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/14/17/20/25/26/28/29/30/38/40/41/66/71
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G020B : UK, Europe, APAC (International version)
CDMA EVDO Rev A: BC0/BC1/BC10
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/32/38/40/41/66
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G020D : Japan
UMTS/HSPA+/HSDPA: All global bands and 6/19
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/8/12/13/17/18/19/21/26/28/38/41
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The scary part about the G020C (the unlocked for-every-carrier model) is, in fact, the wide availability. Even though the closest Best Buy is out of Just Black, Amazon is not - and due to faster shipping being a thing, they are actually a solid alternative to Best Buy (at least for me). Even better, the price is the same - literally.
And what about G020G? This is the one in hands here ?
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Wrong forum, G020G is Pixel 3a, not 3a XL.
It's 'simple', Google made 4 models of each version (8 models) of the Pixel 3a and 3 XL (the G020x):
There is the A/B/C/D for 3a XL and E/F/G/H for the 3a.
There is one model for:
- The world (International standard version)
- USA (because, you know... 'Merica!)
- Verizon (because, you know... 'MERICAAA!)
- Japan (because, you know... Japan!)
USA doesn't really like standards (Netwroks, Celsius vs. Fahrenheit, Metric vs. Imperial, DD/MM/YY, MPH vs. KMH ...), so there is often a specific version for them and a 'standard worldwide' version for others countries with standards. So there not really 'different models' but one wordwide model + specific model(s) for specific country who want his own stuff instead of complying with standards
Oh, yes, my bad ? XDA Labs by mistake moved me to this as it though I have 3a XL
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Wrong forum, G020G is Pixel 3a, not 3a XL.
It's 'simple', Google made 4 models of each version (8 models) of the Pixel 3a and 3 XL (the G020x):
There is the A/B/C/D for 3a XL and E/F/G/H for the 3a.
There is one model for:
- The world (International standard version)
- USA (because, you know... 'Merica!)
- Verizon (because, you know... 'MERICAAA!)
- Japan (because, you know... Japan!)
USA doesn't really like standards (Netwroks, Celsius vs. Fahrenheit, Metric vs. Imperial, DD/MM/YY, MPH vs. KMH ...), so there is often a specific version for them and a 'standard worldwide' version for others countries with standards. So there not really 'different models' but one wordwide model + specific model(s) for specific country who want his own stuff instead of complying with standards
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Stuff that is "global" is like Mexican soccer - it comes here and gets killed. (And I'm not kidding - and the comment about Mexican soccer came from the Mexican Soccer Federation - which has *never* won in Columbus, OH. While the US has only one win in Azteca Stadium, we *have* actually won there. The one Interstate highway that was signed according to standards (I-19, to be precise) was forced to go back to the American signage standards - by maintenance and repair crews - not users.) We Americans are actually *proud* our our nation - we aren't taught that "nationalism is a sin" - unlike most of the rest of the world - which is, in fact, taught exactly that.
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I'm not talking about politic but about standards in tech, networks and science in general.
Entitlement is a peculiarly American trait which we hold dear, it's right up there with ignorance and self interest. As a proud US citizen II didn't want anyone to think it was just an inability to divide by 10 that separates us from the rest of the world.
It's not a good thing to always think worldwide, but we are on XDA, we speak about technology, dev, networks, ... So yes, tech, Internet, science, ... Are worldwide, standards are important. I just tried to explain someone why there is a ''US model'' and ''worldwide model'' of a phone. It's because US are not in tech and networks standards enough for having the worldwide model.
It is as simple as: The US requires more bands due to a far more varied and complex cellular network topology. It has little to do with standards or politics and far more to do with the size and spread of the country and the fact that it was "built" by multiple different institutions.
Size isn't really a factor, Russia is bigger for example but the wireless is far more uniform You're right about development though, multiple institutions didn't help and they started their build-out well ahead of the curve compared to most countries and at a time where standards were still a fast moving target. There was also less incentive to try and make wireless service broadly compatible, there are only two neighbors to consider unlike Europe where many smaller countries close together gave them a lot more incentive to mine some ching in the surrounding nations. In the US on the other hand keeping customers locked in was a better way to keep the champagne flowing on the corporate transport. Despite how we got here things are not exactly unworkable in terms of standards. I use my same phone all over the world without any problem at all. That isn't so bad if you ask me
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It is as simple as: The US requires more bands due to a far more varied and complex cellular network topology. It has little to do with standards or politics and far more to do with the size and spread of the country and the fact that it was "built" by multiple different institutions.
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Size? Because you think the outside of the US is smaller than the US? The 'worldwide model' cover almost the rest of the world and trust me, it's way bigger than US.
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Size? Because you think the outside of the US is smaller than the US? The 'worldwide model' cover almost the rest of the world and trust me, it's way bigger than US.
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Yeah; go ahead and draw yourself the absolute dumbest possible conclusion you can from what I posted and reply with that. Ignore the majority of the post and focus on one word. That's awesome.
Building a network in Japan, or Austria, or Great Britain, is just tiny bit easier and less complex than building one in the US. Having more than one entity trying to "build it better" certainly doesn't help.
The rest of the world is big. Wow. Thanks for the insight.
so... what do i take from this? which model is better on the play store, the international or the american? i mean, i don't plan on traveling the world, but is there some hardware performance boost? also when i look for the 3a on the Google Store (or i guess the XL as well) it shows 3 options, Verizon, Unlocked, and Google Fi. i want the 3a version, not the XL, and was wondering which one i should choose??? just bear in mind i don't want it boot-loader locked, and IDK, does that automatically toss Verizon out? i don't know how the google store does this stuff, and do not want to be stuck with a boot-loader locked Verizon phone, if they would just send me over to a Verizon branded phone that is locked all to hell, and do not as well want to miss out on any possible hardware upgrades that an international based set of radios might bring, if any.
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so... what do i take from this? which model is better on the play store, the international or the american? i mean, i don't plan on traveling the world, but is there some hardware performance boost? also when i look for the 3a on the Google Store...
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I wouldn't risk a Verizon phone. They are lockdown fascists & it's not worth taking a chance.
If you have a best buy near you you can pick up an unlocked 3a or 3aXl for the same price as ordering from Google & you won't have to wait to have it delivered. That's what I did anyway(& they had a promotion at the time for a free Google home mini...which I promptly gave away, but it's always nice to get an extra bonus :good.
I can't help you on the international question though. I'd search specs and see what bands are supported or not.
I have a best buy within an hour or so away, so I'll try looking at one there, if they have one available... Does anyone know how it compares to phones with higher CPU clock speeds??? I've been looking online, and just about everything I've seen has it being the same as most other newer phones, with the exception of lower clock speeds, and a longer battery life than those others, except for the S10, which has 8GB RAM and a longer battery life... Haven't really checked out the S9 yet, but the pixel 3a is way cheaper than most Samsung S model phones from 2016 on, and amazingly has similar specs to my old waterlogged Galaxy S6 budget phone indeed?? although back then it would have been a flagship device
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I have a best buy within an hour or so away, so I'll try looking at one there, if they have one available... Does anyone know how it compares to phones with higher CPU clock speeds??? I've been looking online, and just about everything I've seen has it being the same as most other newer phones, with the exception of lower clock speeds, and a longer battery life than those others, except for the S10, which has 8GB RAM and a longer battery life... Haven't really checked out the S9 yet, but the pixel 3a is way cheaper than most Samsung S model phones from 2016 on, and amazingly has similar specs to my old waterlogged Galaxy S6 budget phone indeed although back then it would have been a flagship device
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I have had a lot of phones... more than I or my wallet care to think about... I can tell you the clock speed of this device does not matter for the normal, or even enthusiast level, user.
Is it slower than other "flagship" devices that cost 2-4 times it's price? Yes.
Does that slower performance have any real effect on day to day usage? Nope.
Although I am sure benchmarks and side by side comparisons will show a difference, the real world difference is a few extra fractions of a second to open or do something, and unless you are directly comparing to something significantly more powerful you can't really notice the difference in normal use... with one exception, and that is photography. It doesn't really take longer for the camera to open or to snap a picture, but in the post-processing piece which is why Pixel cameras are so good. If you snap a pic and immediately jump over to look at it, it will take a second or two or three before the image sharpens and you can see it clearly as the post processing is done in the CPU and not in a special chipset dedicated to that function like other Pixel devices.
I have owned devices that cost half of this device, and devices that cost more than double the price... So far, this is my favorite device of all of them and will by my daily driver for the foreseeable future.
Not quite true, there are redraws, apps opening up from scratch that should be in memory, lag going into the main menu, that you don't get with (for example) a OnePlus device and these things are easy to notice even for a pathetic old man like me. There is also the post processing with photos which may not seem like much of an issue but it can be more irritating than might be expected. I travel a lot and want to know if I got the shot or not without the wait. It's one of those things which is no big deal on paper and yet annoying to an unexpected extent in reality. Going back to the start having to open apps up from scratch is also quite irritating to me when I know the exact same app loadout and usage will produce no such thing on other devices.
IMO opinion this phone is an excellent value, you get a top notch camera despite it's slow processing, timely security updates, performance isn't terrible even if it does have performance issues that I notice in actual use every day. I don't mind this because it wasn't marketed as a flagship device and I didn't pay flagship prices but I cant pretend the issues don't exist.With a flagship device I can carry all my music, my books, and still use the phone as a portable storage device at need, with this one I cant do that because the storage simply isn't there. With a flagship device I don't get apps that I already opened once reopening again from scratch. I can open the main menu without lag. The UI wont redraw after being in the main menu.
I like this device and I said up front when it was released that it was a bit of an experiment for me. I have to say that I'm going to go back to the flagship treadmill for a few more iterations. The mid range is getting pretty darn good but not quite up to satisfying me just yet.
Hey all Pixel 3/3XL owners (and even those who don't own these devices but have kept up with the Pixel lineup of devices),
I'm just looking to gather some thoughts on what you guys thought about the Pixel 3/3XL phones overall and how they stacked up against your previous phones. I'm also looking to see what you guys think of the seemingly controversial Pixel 4 lineup of devices and lastly, what you now think of the Pixel phone brand in general.
Also, what do you think will be your next phone?
And just for clarification, I'm looking for opinions because I'll soon be in the market for a new phone, and to be honest, I've been a little disappointed with the Pixel lineup as of late because I feel that they've been taking the classic "Apple" approach. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I just feel like there have been fewer meaningful (to me) improvements with each recent Pixel iteration.
With that said, I'm currently thinking about moving to the Note 20 when it releases but usually have a very hard time making up my mind, lol. Hence this post!
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
5a. Battery and camera I'm not a power user so... I'll have to sell my pixel stand I guess.
Pixel 3 XL was my last Google phone. Started with the Galaxy Nexus and have had every one up to the 3 XL.
Moved to the Note 10+ back in October which I hate. Just went to the OnePlus 8 Pro two weeks ago and I love it. In my opinion (which doesn't mean much) OnePlus phones are the spiritual successor to the Nexus line.
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I'm thinking OnePlus as well, but the prices in Canada are insane. Thinking I might look for a used one since they sell pretty low.
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Pixel 3 XL was my last Google phone. Started with the Galaxy Nexus and have had every one up to the 3 XL.
Moved to the Note 10+ back in October which I hate. Just went to the OnePlus 8 Pro two weeks ago and I love it. In my opinion (which doesn't mean much) OnePlus phones are the spiritual successor to the Nexus line.
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Root? I'm addicted to Viper4Android so it's a must for me.
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Root? I'm addicted to Viper4Android so it's a must for me.
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Yep. This is the first phone I've rooted since the Nexus 6.
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I need dual speakers. That's my must have....and root obviously. I know there are some gaming phones on the market with stereo speakers, but not on Verizon. Also some other phones are starting to use the earpiece and bottom speaker for stereo but the Pixel 2xl and 3xl and the Moto X Pure I had prior, all had front facing speakers. I briefly had the s8+, and although I could root it and it was a beautiful phone the speaker drove me nuts. Anyway, I'm gonna wait for what the 5 has to offer and decide where to go from there. I'll pull the trigger on something new at that time though, or shortly after.
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Moved to the Note 10+ back in October which I hate.
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Why'd you hate it (if you don't mind me asking) ?
My one annoyance with the Note lineup is that I'd have to get the unlocked, Exynos version for root...and I feel that the Exynos chips are a large value hit considering their generally crummy performance relative to their Qualcomm counterparts. Now I'm no mobile gamer, and so that doesn't bother me too much. But the previous Samsung phones have had poorer battery life with the Exynos chips, which is the biggest caveat for me.
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Why'd you hate it (if you don't mind me asking) ?
My one annoyance with the Note lineup is that I'd have to get the unlocked, Exynos version for root...and I feel that the Exynos chips are a large value hit considering their generally crummy performance relative to their Qualcomm counterparts. Now I'm no mobile gamer, and so that doesn't bother me too much. But the previous Samsung phones have had poorer battery life with the Exynos chips, which is the biggest caveat for me.
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Bloat (fixable using adb and/or PDP.) I'm used to mostly stock Google apps. Hiding them rather than freezing doesn't make sense to me since they are still taking up resources.
When using Google Pay on any other phone I've had I can unlock it with the pin or fingerprint and then just tap and pay. With the Note 10 I had to unlock, tap, unlock again. Faster to just use my card, which is what I ended up doing.
I prefer a mostly stock Android version. Also prefer fast updates.
No root (unlocked US version) so the minor annoyances were unfixable.
Overall the Note 10+ is a fantastic phone. Nice and fast. Just for me the small things add up. I also briefly used the Note 3 and didn't really like it that much either.
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i sold my pixel 3xl months ago. got myself oneplus 8 pro and s20+. at the end i put my oneplus 8 pro at the side. i enjoy s20+ more. its not bloated like what most people claim.
I have the 3XL and this will be my last Google device. Since they went to bed with Big Red everything has changed. Bugs, poor battery life, and just poor quality of late has turned me off. Tie that to less than even lack luster support and I'm done.
Pixel 3 XL, Yep, Crashed It.....
..... Again.
Probably the Pixel 3 XL will be my last Google Phone. I use Nexus/Pixel since the Nexus 4, but Pixel 4 is a total disgrace. An ugly, old fashioned and expensive phone. The camera did not fascinate me like in Pixel 3 XL. Average/poor battery life. Now to complete the mess, the master mind behind the pixel's cameras, Marc Levoy quits from Google before the Pixel 4a launch. The media said that Pixel 5 will not going to be a flagship, a huge step back. I like the Google phones because it shows how the Android supposed to be, but i can't accept use a mid range phone in 2020/2021. Maybe I will change to Oneplus, but, I hate that stupid curved display. Probably will buy the Iphone 12 Pro. Iphone 11 é very nice deal. Huge battery life, awesome specs, a very nice camera AND CHEAPER then pixel 4 at their launch. It's still a very good deal until today. It's time to give Apple a chance since my last Iphone 4. For me to stay in Google Phones, Pixel 5 must be a thing that I never seen before in a smartphone.
I wish luck to all who will stay with the Pixel line. Google did a pretty big mess with it.
Because of the safetynet issue with root & xposed + the crappy wearos watches I'll probably switch to iPhone, the dark side with jailbreak it's the best imho
I'm most likely going to get a red magic 5g gaming phone, I like my pixel 3 xl but it's time for a change because of the lack of rom support and the a/b ****
My next phone will have an unlockable bootloader and will have Open Network function on Verizon. I will not use android without adblocking, or with gapps.
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My next phone will have an unlockable bootloader and will have Open Network function on Verizon. I will not use android without adblocking, or with gapps.
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I wanted the pixel 4, but the lack of fingerprint sensor was a little bummer for me, plus google photos "Limited" quality... the Pixel 5 might be for me but seems there will be only pixel 4a which sucks, has a "middle range" snapdragon, not sure how it's comparable with pixel 3xl tho. I really like stock Android but let's see...
Never buying a Google phone again, camera is the best no doubt but battery and gaming performance sucks, heating issues and visible throttling due to heating. Probably gonna buy OnePlus 8
The Pixel 3XL will, more than likely, be my last Google phone. I finally pulled my wife away from Apple's ecosystem and convinced her to give Android a try. So, we both got Pixel 3XLs when it came out nearly two years ago. Since then, I have been less than impressed with this phone. Personally, I've been with the Nexus/Pixel line since the Nexus 4. The 3XL has been a big disappointment to me, and my wife ,who reluctantly gave Android a shot.
Here has been our mutual experience.
Terrible battery life.
Roll-of-the-dice security patches. (Will my battery life get better or worse with this one?)
Terrible RAM management. (News and music playing in the background? "Pick one or the other", says the Pixel.
Great Camera, no doubt.
Google: "You like that app? Well, we're shutting it down"
This truly felt like a beta phone for a flagship price. I wish I would have put my money elsewhere, because as a stock Android lover, this was disappointing.
My wife will more than likely want to jump over to iPhone again, and you know what, I don't blame her. For me at least, it seemed like Google just rushed a phone out for the sake of being competitive.
Yeah, I've had some positive experiences to say about it. The camera was and is absolutely fantastic. The fingerprint sensor is fast and accurate 99% of the time, and the speakers are loud enough for me. As for a daily driver? I would have looked elsewhere If I had known.
I have been a hardcore Google phone user since the Galaxy Nexus, but after the 3 XL I think I am going to jump ship. Google phones have awesome software, but the hardware is years behind the competition. I plan to keep using my 3 XL until the OnePlus 9T Pro is released next fall, then it's sayonara Google devices! OnePlus phones catch my eye because they have excellent hardware and are easily hackable, exactly what I'm looking for in a phone.
I will probably get the 5 XL. It follows my new phone every 2 years pattern.
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1. Is the notification delayed problem fixed?
2. Do you experience a slow charging problem?
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4. Any new feature/bug
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0. Have you received the OTA update / which region are you in?
1. Is the notification delayed problem fixed?
2. Do you experience a slow charging problem?
3. Battery performance
4. Any new feature/bug
5. Any other business
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1. Notification problem not fixed as far as I can tell.
2. Too early to tell as I just installed it.
3. Too early to tell
4. Some bloatware, Hot Apps and Hot Games. Still looking for anything else.
5. Will update my experience in the next few days.
This is a real shame and I'm going to have to start looking for another phone since this may be the last update we receive. Why they wouldn't address the notification problem is baffling.
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1. Notification problem not fixed as far as I can tell.
2. Too early to tell as I just installed it.
3. Too early to tell
4. Some bloatware, Hot Apps and Hot Games. Still looking for anything else.
5. Will update my experience in the next few days.
This is a real shame and I'm going to have to start looking for another phone since this may be the last update we receive. Why they wouldn't address the notification problem is baffling.
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It really is time to get the new phone. I'm looking at note10+ atm. Vivo Nex is such a beast, still today, but the software, locked bootloader and slow updates are really getting on my nerves for quite some time. Such a shame, imagine nex with other ROMs...
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It really is time to get the new phone. I'm looking at note10+ atm. Vivo Nex is such a beast, still today, but the software, locked bootloader and slow updates are really getting on my nerves for quite some time. Such a shame, imagine nex with other ROMs...
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Agreed in hardware vivo nex is one of the best especially the coolest s845 among all phones i've tried. Its infamous software is undoubtly agreed by the majority in this forum.
BTW: The worst software maintenance I have ever had is ASUS. Just a quick tip for those concerning software update quality.
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It really is time to get the new phone. I'm looking at note10+ atm. Vivo Nex is such a beast, still today, but the software, locked bootloader and slow updates are really getting on my nerves for quite some time. Such a shame, imagine nex with other ROMs...
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I'm not willing to pay $1,300+ for a phone and I don't like punch holes etc, even though it would sync perfectly with my Tab S6.
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Agreed in hardware vivo nex is one of the best especially the coolest s845 among all phones i've tried. Its infamous software is undoubtly agreed by the majority in this forum.
BTW: The worst software maintenance I have ever had is ASUS. Just a quick tip for those concerning software update quality.
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It's funny you say that because I'll probably be getting the Zenfone 7 Pro. I had a Zenfone 2 and had zero issues with it. The Zenfone 7 meets all my requirements especially the full screen. But in addition a huge battery, NFC, all the 5G bands and it's US/Taiwanese so a lot more secure than the Chinese phones I've been using exclusively for the past 7 years.
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I'm not willing to pay $1,300+ for a phone and I don't like punch holes etc, even though it would sync perfectly with my Tab S6.
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I can't stand the punch hole fad, that is one of the reasons I love my NEX. Here where I live note10+ is around 700-800$ and the newest note20 ultra is around 1300$ which is crazy to pay for a phone. And it's not worth it anyway, it's almost the same as note10+. I just need a phone close to 7" display, no punch hole and 90hz+. Can't find any, closest is oneplus 7t pro, but it's basically the same as NEX.
Mate 20x 5g seems like a nice phone...
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I can't stand the punch hole fad, that is one of the reasons I love my NEX. Here where I live note10+ is around 700-800$ and the newest note20 ultra is around 1300$ which is crazy to pay for a phone. And it's not worth it anyway, it's almost the same as note10+. I just need a phone close to 7" display, no punch hole and 90hz+. Can't find any, closest is oneplus 7t pro, but it's basically the same as NEX.
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That's why I'm seriously considering the Zenfone 7. It's got everything I need including 90hz. I don't use or need wireless charging (especially with a 5000mah battery) or waterproofing. They've also committed to two years of updates which is good enough for me. One more thing (from when I had the old one) is a very active forum and good customer service unlike Vivo.
Twotems said:
I'm not willing to pay $1,300+ for a phone and I don't like punch holes etc, even though it would sync perfectly with my Tab S6.
It's funny you say that because I'll probably be getting the Zenfone 7 Pro. I had a Zenfone 2 and had zero issues with it. The Zenfone 7 meets all my requirements especially the full screen. But in addition a huge battery, NFC, all the 5G bands and it's US/Taiwanese so a lot more secure than the Chinese phones I've been using exclusively for the past 7 years.
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My experience is Padfone S, the most horrible things in the world. For hardware part, the screen dies (after 360 days of purchase) right before warranty ends (365 days). They should have timed better so that I need to change my phone after 366 days.
For software part,
The system is eating up all rams and getting unusable after android 5 updates. For other 2GB ram phones across the same period are able to at least keep 2 apps opened. Every single app need to be reloaded after switching between apps. They didn't even plan to release android 6 which they promised 2 years of software support until fury in the Taiwan forum and someone is going to sue the company. And you can guess the result, the android 6 software is also a piece of **** with countless bugs.
My iPhone 7 plus has been using for 4 years and still doing very well (smooth) in today's applications. If divides the price by the number of years it's performing, it is much cheaper than Padfone S which becomes unusable after 3 months of purchase.
F**k ASUS.
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My experience is Padfone S, the most horrible things in the world. For hardware part, the screen dies (after 360 days of purchase) right before warranty ends (365 days). They should have timed better so that I need to change my phone after 366 days.
For software part,
The system is eating up all rams and getting unusable after android 5 updates. For other 2GB ram phones across the same period are able to at least keep 2 apps opened. Every single app need to be reloaded after switching between apps. They didn't even plan to release android 6 which they promised 2 years of software support until fury in the Taiwan forum and someone is going to sue the company. And you can guess the result, the android 6 software is also a piece of **** with countless bugs.
My iPhone 7 plus has been using for 4 years and still doing very well (smooth) in today's applications. If divides the price by the number of years it's performing, it is much cheaper than Padfone S which becomes unusable after 3 months of purchase.
F**k ASUS.
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That's too bad. My girlfriend is still using my Padfone X (At&t) from 2014 on 4.4 Kitkat and it's not the greatest but it's still good for media. I also have a Google Nexus 2013 (by Asus) but the screen broke and I can't find one so it's retired now. Never had a problem with any of them or my Zenfone 2.
Most people rooted and changed the rom on the Padfone S and it performed very well I hear. If you love your iPhone so much then stick with it. Personally I could never use such a restrictive OS.
I notice my GPS google crash, cant use now..try to reinstall and nothing happend
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That's why I'm seriously considering the Zenfone 7. It's got everything I need including 90hz. I don't use or need wireless charging (especially with a 5000mah battery) or waterproofing. They've also committed to two years of updates which is good enough for me. One more thing (from when I had the old one) is a very active forum and good customer service unlike Vivo.
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I'd like to have edge display once again, the last time I got it few years ago on my s6 edge+... Got the update just now and it does not fix the whatsapp not showing on lockscreen, another s.hit update from VIVO...
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I'd like to have edge display once again, the last time I got it few years ago on my s6 edge+... Got the update just now and it does not fix the whatsapp not showing on lockscreen, another s.hit update from VIVO...
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WhatsApp shows on my lockscreen with no issues. My problem is delayed notifications which they didn't address.
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martinjo24 said:
I notice my GPS google crash, cant use now..try to reinstall and nothing happend
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What's GPS Google?
Its okay now
Full recovery Update: http://in-sysuptxdl.vivoglobal.com/...8182309235b0187adcd5ad67d74dbc394d81fe947.zip
0. Have you received the OTA update / which region are you in? France but like Indian version (aka International)
1. Is the notification delayed problem fixed ? Not so, i don't have this issue
2. Do you experience a slow charging problem? Seems ok here
3. Battery performance Waiting for full cycle to understand but actually seems bad
4. Any new feature/bug An huge upgrade on camera can be nice, because Vivo can easily fight againt GCam for my opinion
5. Any other business Stay safe and protect your family, it's important
Curious which device users are going to run to. If you're happy with the S22 Ultra's performance you're fortunate since there's not much out there that's comparable. With that being shared it's apparent a number of users are moving on. Besides the iPhone which smartphone compares most favorably to the S22 Ultra? I'm inquiring since I've skipped the S22 and will be looking to replace my S21 Ultra soon.
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Curious which device users are going to run to. If you're happy with the S22 Ultra's performance you're fortunate since there's not much out there that's comparable. With that being shared it's apparent a number of users are moving on. Besides the iPhone which smartphone compares most favorably to the S22 Ultra? I'm inquiring since I've skipped the S22 and will be looking to replace my S21 Ultra soon.
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And why exactly would you replace a perfectly fine working S21 Ultra? Just for the sake of having a new phone? I love my S22 Ultra because it's Snap Dragon and no Issues other than video recording jerkiness but fixed that by turning off image stabilization. I haven't even got that 1.5 gig April Update yet. But if I did have a problem and was looking for another phone I would be trying to find an S21 Ultra.
Only the iPhone 13 pro max is comparable in the high spec big storage category.
And I'm not going down that iOS rabbit hole ever again.
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And why exactly would you replace a perfectly fine working S21 Ultra? Just for the sake of having a new phone? I love my S22 Ultra because it's Snap Dragon and no Issues other than video recording jerkiness but fixed that by turning off image stabilization. I haven't even got that 1.5 gig April Update yet. But if I did have a problem and was looking for another phone I would be trying to find an S21 Ultra.
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The S21 Ultra is a good device, better than the S22 Ultra IMHO but to answer your question I typically upgrade every year. I also use an S10+ and when I switch back to the S21 Ultra it feels so bulky and heavy, ready for a change. As far as the 1.5 Gb update goes, I might pass on it. A number of users with the S22 and the S21 have experienced new issues after updating. I'm on Android 11 OneUI 3.1 and it works perfect, won't risk having the device corrupted by Android 12.
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Only the iPhone 13 pro max is comparable in the high spec big storage category.
And I'm not going down that iOS rabbit hole ever again.
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I do that most years for a bit. Get tempted by marketing promises, get excited when I manage to order the model and color i want, then get disappointed when I use it to find it's basically EXACTLY the same experience as the model I used 5 years ago, and go back to android... so I can complain about the battery life!
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Curious which device users are going to run to. If you're happy with the S22 Ultra's performance you're fortunate since there's not much out there that's comparable. With that being shared it's apparent a number of users are moving on. Besides the iPhone which smartphone compares most favorably to the S22 Ultra? I'm inquiring since I've skipped the S22 and will be looking to replace my S21 Ultra soon.
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I´m was waiting for xiaomi 12ultra mix5, but they take long to comme, maybi not now....
Keeping my Zfold3. It has issues like poor battery life and I have doubts about the durability of the inner display but there's nothing really else on the market I like at the moment and it's performance is way ahead of the s22u Exynos. May wait for the Zf4.
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Curious which device users are going to run to. If you're happy with the S22 Ultra's performance you're fortunate since there's not much out there that's comparable. With that being shared it's apparent a number of users are moving on. Besides the iPhone which smartphone compares most favorably to the S22 Ultra? I'm inquiring since I've skipped the S22 and will be looking to replace my S21 Ultra soon.
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i think that Oppo Find X5 Pro is a very intriguing device
iPhone 14 Pro Max. Apple I loathe to admit has been on a tear lately hardware wise improving its flagship and with the upcoming 14 Pro Max finally getting rid of that hideous notch and possibly a slightly bigger battery it'll be hard to beat. The days have gone when android manufacturers used to be hardware kings and now have seceded everything to Apple while trying to be Apple ironically.
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iPhone 14 Pro Max. Apple I loathe to admit has been on a tear lately hardware wise improving its flagship and with the upcoming 14 Pro Max finally getting rid of that hideous notch and possibly a slightly bigger battery it'll be hard to beat. The days have gone when android manufacturers used to be hardware kings and now have seceded everything to Apple while trying to be Apple ironically.
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I just wish they would update the software experience, especially the home screen which feels straight out of 2008.
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I just wish they would update the software experience, especially the home screen which feels straight out of 2008.
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I was in an Apple store last weekend (one of my kids wanted to check it out), and so I played with an iPhone 13 pro max. Not gonna lie, I didn't hate it. It now has sort of an app drawer if you swipe to the left a couple pages. I didn't try to move the apps that were on the home screens, but I *think* you can just use that. The left from home screen is not bad, has weather, news, stuff like that. However, the settings screens are pretty much still the same as they were when I had the 3Gs though (seriously...). Also, barely any widgets, and almost zero customization. I won't buy one, probably ever, but it's come a long way since I last had one. Not quite as boring.
If Android and their phones could just figure out how to be super responsive like iPhones, I would like them sooo much better. Battery life too. Apple is killing it with those two things.
For now I'm still unsure wether I'll keep my S22 Ultra with all the problems the phone's got. It got better with updates, so I'll decide in a few updates if I keep it or not, to see if all the problems are fixed or not.
I kept my iPhone 12 Pro Max just in case, so I would go back to it.
For me the choice is simple: Note experience or iPhone experience, but I do prefer the Note experience thanks to the S Pen.
I think users can relate to the review of the S22 Ultra by arsTechnica. It gets to the meat of issues with the device which most reviewers gloss over. The reviewer makes an honest assessment of Samsung's approach to it's skin and software, a no holds look at the problems a number of users are currently experiencing.
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Curious which device users are going to run to. If you're happy with the S22 Ultra's performance you're fortunate since there's not much out there that's comparable. With that being shared it's apparent a number of users are moving on. Besides the iPhone which smartphone compares most favorably to the S22 Ultra? I'm inquiring since I've skipped the S22 and will be looking to replace my S21 Ultra soon.
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I went back to my Fold 3 after returning my 22 ultra still have an s21 ultra and Note 20 ultra as well but hard to stay away from the fold lol
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I think users can relate to the review of the S22 Ultra by arsTechnica. It gets to the meat of issues with the device which most reviewers gloss over. The reviewer makes an honest assessment of Samsung's approach to it's skin and software, a no holds look at the problems a number of users are currently experiencing.
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Interesting review but it is hard to take it seriously when they say the Pixel 6 pro is the better phone, it just isn’t.
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Interesting review but it is hard to take it seriously when they say the Pixel 6 pro is the better phone, it just isn’t.
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6 Pro felt like a prototype device.
ekerbuddyeker said:
6 Pro felt like a prototype device.
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Agree. I had it for 3 months before I sold it and wasn't impressed at all.
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6 Pro felt like a prototype device.
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Indeed. For a phone that Google made to try to jump into the mainstream flagship market, they sure screwed this one up. The fpr on the one I had never worked worth a sh$t. That plus constant network dropouts made that phone an epic fail IMO. I traded it for the ultra as soon as it was announced. I think using a two year old modem, as well as a garbage fpr was a total cheap out move. Also, did I mention the phone is ugly as hell?
I am not changing mine since Ive had 0 issues with it and April's update improved battery quite a bit. However the only phone I would consider replacing it with would be the Oppo X5 Pro.
iOS is out of the question because I can't tolerate iOS. The other Chinese phones are out as they have minimal presence in Canada. Google is a no go because as mentioned it's more of an experimental device at this point.
Thankfully my S22U has been working flawlessly. If this were not the case I guess I'd dig my faithful old LG G7 out of the drawer and use it until something better came along.