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Hey all,
I'm thinking of buying a Mate 7 and switching over from my Moto X Pure. Mainly for the size, metal body, and the battery. Right now I can get it for ~$330 on Amazon. The only thing that's held me back is the software. I've read the stock software is very annoying with constant notifications about apps using up too much RAM/battery. But all these reviews were from the phone's release, I haven't been able to find much information since it's been updated to Marshmallow. I typically like very light ROMs like CM but I see there hasn't been a whole lot of development for this phone other than the KangVIP ROM which seems to have a lot of issues. So I guess my question is how do you all like the stock Marshmallow ROM and is it still good on battery life?
Also I've seen a lot of threads about how to downgrade the software to earlier versions of Android, is this just to install an earlier version of Cyanogenmod? I've not been able to find a "why" in all the threads I've seen on the subject. I've found plenty of Chinese phones that are ~6" with a big battery and metal body but LTE bands are always an issue. This is the only phone I've come across that seems to have everything, other than my concerns about the software. I'm also thinking of holding out and seeing if the Asus Zenfone 3 and the LeTV Max Pro end up having U.S. LTE bands.
Anyway, any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated!
It's getting old now, still a really nice phone but I'd be looking at newer devices at this point. People regress to earlier versions of Android as the MM beta releases often dissapoint. I stuck with the latest release of Lollipop as I have some limited functionality with Xposed, got ViPER4Android working etc, it's smooth and stable. Battery is great. It's hard to describe just how much freedom that allows you compared to other devices. My Oppo Find 7 is a nice phone too, but it just doesn't last long enough and being used to the Mate 7, that annoys me greatly. I do find that the oppo at 5.5" is better to handle and fits a pocket easier. That extra half inch really is noticeable on the Mate. It is one device that does feel a little special though. Once it's optimised and personalised, it's gorgeous.
As for ROMs, not going to happen any time soon. I'm happy with stock, rooted and modded. Doesn't worry me apart from limiting lifespan, but if development did take off, I would be happy.
Huawei just don't understand the international market yet and if they did, and fostered good relations and supported development, they would be able to become #1 I think, but at this point their thinking is still very Chinese.
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It's getting old now, still a really nice phone but I'd be looking at newer devices at this point. People regress to earlier versions of Android as the MM beta releases often dissapoint. I stuck with the latest release of Lollipop as I have some limited functionality with Xposed, got ViPER4Android working etc, it's smooth and stable. Battery is great. It's hard to describe just how much freedom that allows you compared to other devices. My Oppo Find 7 is a nice phone too, but it just doesn't last long enough and being used to the Mate 7, that annoys me greatly. I do find that the oppo at 5.5" is better to handle and fits a pocket easier. That extra half inch really is noticeable on the Mate. It is one device that does feel a little special though. Once it's optimised and personalised, it's gorgeous.
As for ROMs, not going to happen any time soon. I'm happy with stock, rooted and modded. Doesn't worry me apart from limiting lifespan, but if development did take off, I would be happy.
Huawei just don't understand the international market yet and if they did, and fostered good relations and supported development, they would be able to become #1 I think, but at this point their thinking is still very Chinese.
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Thanks for the quick reply RobboW! I've always had phones that had a lot of development so I've kind of taken it for granted. A couple years ago I wouldn't have even considered a phone without a lot of development but my ROM addiction has really subsided and I only recently put a custom ROM on my Moto X. Honestly I don't do much customization anymore, the thing that made me apprehensive about the Mate 7 was all the "battery saving" shenanigans. If there's some way to disable those while still keeping good battery life (which definitely should be possibly with the 4100 mAh battery) then I'll be happy with the ROM, provided there's no lag. I don't do any kind of gaming or anything, just browsing the web, videos, texts, and emails, but I can't stand any kind of lag.
Thanks again for your help, it's been a grueling process trying to find a phone that meets all my criteria for a reasonable price. The Mate 7's hardware hits it perfectly, so if I can live with the software I still think it's a good deal.
It sounds like your user case is much like mine then. The Mate 7 (get 32Gb version and insert a 128Gb uSD) should serve you well. Update it from kitkat to lollipop for UI smoothness, unlock bootloader, install TWRP recovery, root and do a little debloat, although there's really not much bloat, install Viper if sound is your thing. You will need a different launcher and icon pack to get away from Huawei launcher which is terrible.
For the notifications, it has a notification manager so you can customise that to your liking. Mine doesn't bombard me with warnings. The battery is awesome, just go to power saving settings, ignore the savings and set it to normal. It still easily goes a day with heavy use.
My son liked mine and wanted to update his galaxy S4 so got a Mate 7 32Gb and I did all these things to his. He has wifi and BT on all day, facebook messenger always on etc and it never has a battery problem. He is still gobsmacked by it. Says it's better in every way to the S4 other than maybe the lack of ir blaster (which he doesn't care about) and amoled screen in the S4 but the Mate 7 screen is really nice anyway. I actually like the IPS panel better than amoled as I think amoled is gharish, too colourful, just not realistic and the IPS seems much nicer, more realistic for photos and video. It's actually a warmish tint, unlike my oppo which has a very stark, cold tint and is harder on my eyes.
You can adjust the screen and I set it to it's coldest but it's still warmer than the oppo.
I've been toying with the idea to go back to using the Mate 7 as my daily phone instead of the oppo. I was going to use the Mate 7 as a tool, like a small tablet because it will be the database and interface (BT) between an electrical test tag machine and a label printer. The camera is really good at macro focus and reads barcodes very well.
I didn't want to talk it up to someone expecting a 6P and lot's of custom roms, but for the price they can be bought for now, and your user case, it will make a great daily driver. Just be very sure it works on the correct bands you need there in the US. It works great here in Australia.
Edit: I'm having an issue with my Oppo where sometimes I can't view an email when others work ok. The Mate 7 doesn't have the issue and I've been going through settings looking for differences as the two phones are set up almost the same. Cannot find the problem so I have my SIM in the Mate again (Titanium Backup is so handy for transfering sms and call data) and will try to get a custom ROM in the Oppo.
The Mate works great. No desire for a ROM in that unless I update to MM when/if I can get a stable final release that is originally OTA.
Well I went ahead and bit the bullet and I'm going for it. I'll probably need to be pointed in the right direction once it arrives as far as which ROM to install and how I go about downgrading it if I need to. Thanks again for your help! I'm excited to check it out.
@RobboW has said pretty much all there is that's worth mentioning about the device. If you're after stellar battery life and a solid daily driver you can't go wrong, but don't expect the flexibility of devices that are more open to customization.
I've updated to the official MM release and have yet to encounter any of the issues people complained about in the beta releases. While the LP release is fantastic (and Viper actually works on it, which I miss), the MM build offers even better responsiveness and an overall better-rounded software experience, although that's not saying I wouldn't flash something entirely different in a heartbeat (if only I could....).
The camera is also not very great. On paper it's decent, but photos almost always come out blurry (as there's no OIS) and washed out. A but of tinkering on Snapseed can make a big difference though, but don't expect anything too great.
If you already bought it I'd suggest that you immediately install a 3rd party launcher of your choice to avoid the stock launcher (which really is horrendous), and then root if that's your sort of thing.
Enjoy!
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The camera is also not very great. On paper it's decent, but photos almost always come out blurry (as there's no OIS) and washed out. A but of tinkering on Snapseed can make a big difference though, but don't expect anything too great.
Enjoy!
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Scruffy, set the saturation in the camera app settings a notch higher. You can also set the brightness down a little if needed. I actually find the camera pretty good. It's not a flagship camera but it's also not a cheap one.
I've got my SIM back in my Oppo today, got OmniROM set up pretty nice now. So much better than ColorOS from Oppo. The B331 LP Mate 7 ROM is quite nice for a stock ROM IMO and I'm still happy to keep it. If the Oppo is stable on OmniROM, maybe I'll look at updating the Mate 7 to MM, but not if I can't have Xposed and ViPER4Android......
I'm on Marshmallow on the Oppo now and it's a PIA with some things. File explorers have issues with access, notifications are more intrusive, but it is a nice OS other than that. I actually found Lollipop easier to use.
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Prozart said:
Well I went ahead and bit the bullet and I'm going for it. I'll probably need to be pointed in the right direction once it arrives as far as which ROM to install and how I go about downgrading it if I need to. Thanks again for your help! I'm excited to check it out.
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It will ship with Kitkat so you boot and see which firmware version it's on and what OTA update it wants to install when it goes online, but don't install it straight away, come back to the forum with the information and then the correct update tree can be looked at.
Don't leave it on Kitkat, IMO, you either use B331 Lollipop or a Marshmallow ROM. Nothing earlier. Some of the MM ROMS do need an earlier Lollipop version to update from, but sometimes you can flash the ROM anyway, as long as the phone is compatible with it.
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Scruffy, set the saturation in the camera app settings a notch higher. You can also set the brightness down a little if needed. I actually find the camera pretty good. It's not a flagship camera but it's also not a cheap one.
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I can't seem to find the settings you're mentioning in my camera settings. Perhaps it was removed on the MM builds? Anyway I think simply installing 3rd party camera software should make a big difference. As you and I both said, most of what's wrong with the camera is software.
Haven't tried MM on my Mate 7 so couldn't speculate, but from Google Play, give Open Camera a try, it's free. See if pics match the viewing angle you expected.
For a paid app, Camera FV-5 is very good. It's supposed to mimmick a DSLR.
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Just installed Open Camera (by Mark Harmon) on both phones. Works well. Two things I like are the availability of grid lines and a level indicator. Makes quite a difference when doing landscape photography. I live in a seaside town and getting horizon level is so important with shots including ocean. If it had panorama mode I'd be a happy chappy!
I haven't been bothered with camera apps on my Mate 7 as it has a good camera on KK and LP and I had no need to look for better. The Oppo Find 7 is another matter. Oppo camera was good with ColorOS, but now on OmniROM, I needed to look at camera apps, but had already found the others with my previous phone as it was a THL W200 and stock software was pretty crap.
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It will ship with Kitkat so you boot and see which firmware version it's on and what OTA update it wants to install when it goes online, but don't install it straight away, come back to the forum with the information and then the correct update tree can be looked at.
Don't leave it on Kitkat, IMO, you either use B331 Lollipop or a Marshmallow ROM. Nothing earlier. Some of the MM ROMS do need an earlier Lollipop version to update from, but sometimes you can flash the ROM anyway, as long as the phone is compatible with it.
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Alright so it arrived today with KK 4.4.2 build number 120SP04. I went to the updater and it said no updates are available. I don't have a SIM card in it so I don't know if that makes a difference. I didn't realize it didn't have a nano sim slot so I'll have to go to my carrier to get a micro. In the mean time, what are my upgrade paths to a good Lollipop or Marshmallow? I'm in North America and on the main page I only saw update packages for India, Europe, and China I believe. Would I just go with the European ones?
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Alright so it arrived today with KK 4.4.2 build number 120SP04. I went to the updater and it said no updates are available. I don't have a SIM card in it so I don't know if that makes a difference. I didn't realize it didn't have a nano sim slot so I'll have to go to my carrier to get a micro. In the mean time, what are my upgrade paths to a good Lollipop or Marshmallow? I'm in North America and on the main page I only saw update packages for India, Europe, and China I believe. Would I just go with the European ones?
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Will you be using an SD card? Slot 2 takes either an SD or a nano SIM, not both at once though.
That's the same ROM my phone came on. It's the standard international ROM for a non carrier locked TL10 goldie.
It will update to B130 OTA
From B130 I flashed mine to B331 Lollipop (newest lollipop). Just a download of ROM and place in dload folder and point the updater to it, then it does it from within the OS. It won't go past B130 on an OTA.
If you want MM, that needs to be loked at as there are stacks of vesions. I'm inclined to think if it can be flashed up to MM from B331 it's reasonably new. That's my aim. I won't go to an older LP to get up to a buggy old beta MM.
Here's the download link where I got my stable Lollipop.
http://www.carbontesla.com/2016/01/download-ascend-mate-7-full-b331-lollipop-firmware-europe/
It seems to me that Huawei are still slowly releasing updates so I would rather sit on a stable LP and wait for the last MM rather than join the unhappy bunch of early flashers who have bugs or bricks.
B331 LP works well and can get some limited use of Xposed and full use of Viper4android.
You need to keep stock recovery to flash an update but unlocked bootloader is fine, so I'd look to unlock the bootloader after it gets B130 update.
It will have a choppy UI on KitKat, it's normal. Lollipop fixes that.
I reckon you'll last maybe 5 minutes trying to use the Huawei launcher. Don't fight that, just install another, lol. Have to go into settings and choose default launcher in the app management section.
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Will you be using an SD card? Slot 2 takes either an SD or a nano SIM, not both at once though.
That's the same ROM my phone came on. It's the standard international ROM for a non carrier locked TL10 goldie.
It will update to B130 OTA
From B130 I flashed mine to B331 Lollipop (newest lollipop). Just a download of ROM and place in dload folder and point the updater to it, then it does it from within the OS. It won't go past B130 on an OTA.
If you want MM, that needs to be loked at as there are stacks of vesions. I'm inclined to think if it can be flashed up to MM from B331 it's reasonably new. That's my aim. I won't go to an older LP to get up to a buggy old beta MM.
Here's the download link where I got my stable Lollipop.
http://www.carbontesla.com/2016/01/download-ascend-mate-7-full-b331-lollipop-firmware-europe/
It seems to me that Huawei are still slowly releasing updates so I would rather sit on a stable LP and wait for the last MM rather than join the unhappy bunch of early flashers who have bugs or bricks.
B331 LP works well and can get some limited use of Xposed and full use of Viper4android.
You need to keep stock recovery to flash an update but unlocked bootloader is fine, so I'd look to unlock the bootloader after it gets B130 update.
It will have a choppy UI on KitKat, it's normal. Lollipop fixes that.
I reckon you'll last maybe 5 minutes trying to use the Huawei launcher. Don't fight that, just install another, lol. Have to go into settings and choose default launcher in the app management section.
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Awesome, thanks for your help! Since its saying "no updates available" should I manually update it to B130 and then to the link you provided for B331?
And yeah I've already got a launcher I've been using and like, I'm already sick of the stock launcher, lol. Also, strangely, the play store force closes after a few seconds of opening. I'm not too worried about it as I'll very soon be flashing different firmware, but still strange. Also, this is the MT7 L09 version, should I still update B130>B331?
And as far as Marshmallow is concerned I'm inclined to take your path with a stable Lollipop until they get MM all worked out.
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Awesome, thanks for your help! Since its saying "no updates available" should I manually update it to B130 and then to the link you provided for B331?
And yeah I've already got a launcher I've been using and like, I'm already sick of the stock launcher, lol. Also, strangely, the play store force closes after a few seconds of opening. I'm not too worried about it as I'll very soon be flashing different firmware, but still strange. Also, this is the MT7 L09 version, should I still update B130>B331?
And as far as Marshmallow is concerned I'm inclined to take your path with a stable Lollipop until they get MM all worked out.
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L09, well that changes everything. You can go to B522 MM on that already. Update to B331, see how you like it. You can update to B522 from there anyway.
Google Play FC will be it trying to update itself whilst you're using it.
Check your ROM matches the number of the update. There are update notes included with it. If it doesn't match, it will fail to flash once most of the way through it. This is the CUST folder and is ROM specific for different areas of the world. It's where most naive users brick their phone.
For instance, mine is C900B331 and the original would have been C900B120SP04
That C900 is most important.
What many don't realise is that the number of the ROM doesn't always mean newer. It could be for a different region and that region has a different sequence of ROM designations.
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L09, well that changes everything. You can go to B522 MM on that already. Update to B331, see how you like it. You can update to B522 from there anyway.
Google Play FC will be it trying to update itself whilst you're using it.
Check your ROM matches the number of the update. There are update notes included with it. If it doesn't match, it will fail to flash once most of the way through it. This is the CUST folder and is ROM specific for different areas of the world. It's where most naive users brick their phone.
For instance, mine is C900B331 and the original would have been C900B120SP04
That C900 is most important.
What many don't realise is that the number of the ROM doesn't always mean newer. It could be for a different region and that region has a different sequence of ROM designations.
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Thanks to you I successfully updated to B331. I got my launcher installed and now I just need to change the DPI as everything is huge, lol. So now I need to unlock bootloader and root it. But so far everything is smooth, no problems yet.
Edit: Quick question. I went into the APN settings and accidentally clicked on preferred network type. Before I went in there it was set to LTE (and I was successfully connected to LTE) but that wasn't an option to click on when I went into the settings. It's only showing me these three and so I'm not getting LTE anymore. Any ideas?
Check dual card settings for default 4G slot.
Edit: Why am I suggesting that for an L09, lol.
Have you done anything to upset the settings for APN?
Have a look in power saving settings to see if anything there cuts it back to 3G to save juice.
4G really sucks battery compared to 3G.
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Check dual card settings for default 4G slot.
Edit: Why am I suggesting that for an L09, lol.
Have you done anything to upset the settings for APN?
Have a look in power saving settings to see if anything there cuts it back to 3G to save juice.
4G really sucks battery compared to 3G.
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I can't find anything i n the power settings regarding network modes, I believe the only thing I've changed is putting the power plan on Normal and turning off Power-intensive prompt.
Also on the keyboard, the keys aren't vibrating. I went into the keyboard settings and made sure it was turned on. Also tried toggling it off and on with no success. Are there any other vibration settings hidden somewhere that I'm missing?
I wonder if a factory reset is in order. Just to count out any leftovers. I do wonder though, if there is something funny about the bands the carriers allow to work in the US. I often see comments from US XDA members about bands. Like the US is really different than the rest of the world or something.
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I wonder if a factory reset is in order. Just to count out any leftovers. I do wonder though, if there is something funny about the bands the carriers allow to work in the US. I often see comments from US XDA members about bands. Like the US is really different than the rest of the world or something.
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Yeah I may try that when I get home tonight. I need to unlock bootloader and root anyway so that'll wipe it. It's just so weird cause I had LTE up until the point when I went into settings and clicked on WDCMA or whatever and now there's no option to get back to LTE. It's also not connecting via bluetooth to my car. It had no problems connecting to my Moto 360, I don't know what would be different about my car. But it's not detecting it at all. Perhaps a factory reset would help solve that.
I spent about an hour last night reading up on unlocking the bootloader. I tried emailing Huawei and they directed me to log in to my Huawei account and I'd be able to get the code after 14 days. Is there any other way to do this? I mean I can survive a couple weeks without root, but it's not optimal, lol.
Don't root it yet and don't flash recovery.
Unlock the bootloader first. Read the following thread where I show the trick for getting your code easy and free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-7/general/bootloader-unlock-longer-anymore-t3296725
I've put mine back to stock B331 as much as possible tonight and flashed stock recovery then dirty flashed B331 back over it. About to factory reset it then attempt flashing Marshmallow.
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Reset went ok.
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Started the update, got to 96% and failed (CUST FAIL) and rebooted, sat on the start screen for quite a while and then booted. It's on C900B522 Marshmallow but I'm not sure what impact the cust fail has, but it seems to run fine. The dual card management settings are there so it is running as the TL10 that it is, although in settings it's calling itself a JAZZ.
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Don't root it yet and don't flash recovery.
Unlock the bootloader first. Read the following thread where I show the trick for getting your code easy and free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-7/general/bootloader-unlock-longer-anymore-t3296725
I've put mine back to stock B331 as much as possible tonight and flashed stock recovery then dirty flashed B331 back over it. About to factory reset it then attempt flashing Marshmallow.
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Reset went ok.
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Started the update, got to 96% and failed (CUST FAIL) and rebooted, sat on the start screen for quite a while and then booted. It's on C900B522 Marshmallow but I'm not sure what impact the cust fail has, but it seems to run fine. The dual card management settings are there so it is running as the TL10 that it is, although in settings it's calling itself a JAZZ.
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I upgraded to 522 and so far it seems to be working well. Having some problems with Google Play Services (says it needs to update but the option isn't available in the play store) but otherwise seems great. Got LTE back and I've connected via Bluetooth to my car. I'm thinking about upgrading to 560 tonight. So I'm trying to follow your instructions on unlocking the bootloader but I don't understand where I need to go to type in the IMEI. I went to the website and logged in but then it takes me to this page (which doesn't seem to have an English version) and I have no idea where to go from there.
Hello there, I tried to find an answer to this question but I was not able to!
Pixel XL, Project Fi everything is stock, not rooted and I didn't unlock the bootloader...
The first OTA update (the one with 60 mb) took like an hour to install (I thought that the device was stuck and I restarted it, but after reboot same thing, downloaded the file from scratch and took the same time!)
I got the 7.1.1 notification today, downloaded in no time, but installation took a lot of time!
Step 1 like an hour, and Step 2 still happening and didn't finish yet!! (more than an hour!)
I don't have any problem with the device, running smoothly (except this OTA thing)
Ideas?
Same here, installing the updates took a while. Plugging into power and using WiFi makes it faster but they still take a while.
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Same here, installing the updates took a while. Plugging into power and using WiFi makes it faster but they still take a while.
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so is it normal? the phone didn't finish Step 2 yet!
depending how many apps you have installed it can take a while... but you can use your phone normally....
this is the new feature that preloads your update to be ready for the next update... it eliminates the previous versions "android is upgrading" or "optimizing apps" that used to show up after updates
I'm not sure mine took an hour but I run a very lean set of apps it might have taken an hour from start to finish
Definitely intended to go slow. This is so you don't see any performance issues as you are able to use your phone normally.
Last update took my phone almost 2 hours to complete.
Updates are done differently than before. Remember before how after rebooting you'd have to wait forever for apps to prepare? All of that is now done in advance, kinda. Lots of changes but I think what you're seeing is due to the new way updates are installed. Overall it's a good change but the time delay is now before rebooting but at least the phone is very usable during this period.
That's great guys, thanks for sharing this! I didn't think it will take that much, but it took more than 2 hours!
What is the latest update version for Pixel phones?
7.1.1 with December 5 security updates
Charkatak said:
What is the latest update version for Pixel phones?
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7.1.1 (NMF26Q)
You don't have to wait for the OTA, just download it when a new version is available.
https://developers.google.com/android/ota#sailfish
Install via: adb sideload
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7.1.1 (NMF26Q)
You don't have to wait for the OTA, just download it when a new version is available.
https://developers.google.com/android/ota#sailfish
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Is this 7.1.1 (NMF26Q) build for US Pixel phones as well? I read somewhere that this update corrected some LTE issues for EU carrier.
Obviously lies
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Definitely intended to go slow. This is so you don't see any performance issues as you are able to use your phone normally.
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Yes there is something wrong with your phone. Your phone is supposed to update only once with the latest, not go through sequential updates that take forever. If you bought this on eBay, or especially a Chinese seller, It probably has some irremovable malware on it. Do not accept people's answers on the internet as a solution. If it's behaving abnormally and you notice it is behaving abnormally, there IS something wrong with it regardless of what people are saying on the internet because they probably know about this malware but are trying to disguise your symptoms.
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Yes there is something wrong with your phone. Your phone is supposed to update only once with the latest, not go through sequential updates that take forever. If you bought this on eBay, or especially a Chinese seller, It probably has some irremovable malware on it. Do not accept people's answers on the internet as a solution. If it's behaving abnormally and you notice it is behaving abnormally, there IS something wrong with it regardless of what people are saying on the internet because they probably know about this malware but are trying to disguise your symptoms.
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Lol. Way to resurrect an old Post... You are delusional. This was the way they worked 2.5 years ago, and it's the way they still do things today. I've continued to use Pixel phones this whole time. 1, 2, and 3. All non XL models. Also, the Earth isn't flat.
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Lol. Way to resurrect an old Post... You are delusional. This was the way they worked 2.5 years ago, and it's the way they still do things today. I've continued to use Pixel phones this whole time. 1, 2, and 3. All non XL models. Also, the Earth isn't flat.
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This is because a malware used to run on android that had been reduced to the size of one pixel on the android screen, making it virtually undetectable to the human eye, hence the name, The Google Pixel. Regardless, it still performs poorly.
I just got my honor 8 and was wondering if I will get system updates when I upgrade the to the beta nougat?
I think that before rooting you should ask yourself what do you want to achieve. I used to root every phone that I had, usually in first two weeks after purchase. But now I have a phone and a tablet , both from Huawei and neither of them is rooted. Why? Because I came to the conclusion that I gained nothing with root and lost a lot. First there is no fully functional custom kernel for Honor 8 and the same is true for custom roms. So what is the point of rooting then? To have troubles with any single OTA and cutting off any chance of using secure apps (like Android Pay, other payment methods, Pokemon..). And profited only a chance to get rid of some system apps? Which can be frozen and removed from the home screen instead without rooting the phone.
I believe Android changed a lot with Marshmallow and every new release seems to be a step in the right direction. Huawei's EMUI is not a disorder in the concept, rather an improvement in many functionalities of the stock system (call recorder, close all apps, eye comfort screen, themes, phone manager....).
Honestly, I'm missing only two things to declare this phone as perfect: internet calling (voip, native sip, volte) and dark mode. But none of these could be solved with rooting. Internet calling should be implement (better: retrieved as the aosp has it already) by Huawei and dark mode might be created either by the producer or a skilled themer. Without rooting.
You probably would once the official version of Nougat for the Honor 8 is released. Personally, I would wait for the official release of Nougat rather than use the Beta. As it has allot of bugs and missing features on it.
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You probably would once the official version of Nougat for the Honor 8 is released. Personally, I would wait for the official release of Nougat rather than use the Beta. As it has allot of bugs and missing features on it.
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The beta's are actually pretty stable with very few bugs. And waiting on Huawei for the update is useless. Their updates are the slowest of any manufacturer I have ever seen. Use the Charles method and update as soon as possible. It's like a whole new phone.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=69885525
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I have had my honor 8 for a few months now and I too normally root etc my phones as soon as I get them.
I have not rooted this one and am not planning on for a good while.
Im on the beta N program and I find that this together with the themes and fonts that I can use with out root makes the phone do everything that I want it to.
I'm going to keep my one as stock and make use of the updates that have been promised.
I can't see the point in rooting my phone just coz it's seen to be the thing to do with Android phones.
I do however have other phones that are rooted and I change the Roms weekly and am constantly playing with them.
Perhaps I'm happier keeping this unrooted coz I'm getting my fix elsewhere.
My advice would be root your phone if you need it to do something that requires root other wise enjoy your phone.
John
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The beta's are actually pretty stable with very few bugs. And waiting on Huawei for the update is useless. Their updates are the slowest of any manufacturer I have ever seen. Use the Charles method and update as soon as possible. It's like a whole new phone.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=69885525
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I'm still betting Huawei/Honor is faster than any Cell Provider's OS Update releases. They take forever to come out as they have to wait for the device manufacturer to release their updates before they can modd them even further.
If your reason for rooting would be that you want Nougat now I would say wait. Personally I rooted my phone yesterday, and my reason was that i can't stand EMUI one day longer. I came from a Oneplus One and before that I have always rooted my phones. This time I waited for 4 weeks before I rooted, but could not live with the limited config settings I could change, so I rooted. No regrets.
But if you are fine with EMUI than take it easy and wait for the official update to Nougat.
I purchased a Pixel 2 for my wife that should be arriving tomorrow. I will not be unlocking the bootloader or rooting as it interferes with her work email and apps. I've been reading about the issues with Android 10 so I'm wondering if I should try to prevent the phone from updating to 10 during initial setup. Do you guys recommend updating to 10? What would you do if you had a new Pixel 2? Thanks.
Let it update, otherwise you're postponing the inevitable. Android 9 has it's problems for some too. I suppose you could wait for a few fixes to be rolled out before upgrading, but personally I don't regret the move to 10.
I went from 8 to 10. Skipped 9 altogether. I like the new notification features in 10 as well as a few other things. I haven't really had any issues with 10 other than lack of development for theming and a few other tweaks, but that is to be expected. I don't think you would regret updating... It's early though, but it will get better. Already better that what pie tried to be!
All that said, it is known that the signal is not as strong as with previous Android versions.. For me anyway. So if you live in a low signal area, it may be best to wait until at least the next security update.
I'm waiting for the October update
I've had a few random reboots ever since the 10 update.
Hope this gets fixed with the upcoming October release.
(Magisk might also have something to do with that but hey ... at least it's all dark within the phone )
I purchased OP7Pro and it was on Android 9 Pie and was flawless. It worked great. No issues. Since updating it to Android 10, it's ****ed up. And it's been more than a month. No fixed, no issues. The font is ****ed up. OnePlus Slate isn't applied everywhere. I cleared cache, reinstalled the OS and still same problems. Probably more issues added after resetting. I don't have any third party app, just regular Google Apps and few popular games. There's this WhatsApp issue that I can't send pictures taken from the stock camera from some reason, it just freezes. It's getting irritating. I don't think it's a WhatsApp issue and WhatsApp has released 3-4 updates and if it was, it would probably be fixed by now. And then the Call of Duty issues. It's probably Android 10 issue. I don't think the update is stable at all. Gallery app is behaving weird at times. Like when I open it, it shows no photos and freezes. And all above, I have been reading posts on the OnePlus community about people asking for update patches and the answers are usually that OP7Pro will get bimonthly updates. So, by that logic, if it's not stable for you, you're like ****ed for the next two months? It's just 5 months old device and no faster patches now apparently because OP7T can get 4-5 updates a month but OP7 Pro can't get fixed faster?
So if you guys have any solutions to above issues, help me out? I can't clean install every single time. I've tons of authenticator and stuff on the phone and really don't like setting it up all over again.
Just downgrade to Pie and enjoy almost the same functionality workout some not so needed features.
That's my workaround, and I agree that A10 was the worst update for Op on my memory.
Then eat some more pie for now...
Open beta 5 is working pretty well
Wipe data
Then try OPEN BETA 5 updates
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Wipe data
Then try OPEN BETA 5 updates
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OPEN Beta Good enough? I mean what are the issues, you know?
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Open beta 5 is working pretty well
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Can it be used as a daily driver? How's the camera and battery performance?
noobnoob25 said:
I purchased OP7Pro and it was on Android 9 Pie and was flawless. It worked great. No issues. Since updating it to Android 10, it's ****ed up. And it's been more than a month. No fixed, no issues. The font is ****ed up. OnePlus Slate isn't applied everywhere. I cleared cache, reinstalled the OS and still same problems. Probably more issues added after resetting. I don't have any third party app, just regular Google Apps and few popular games. There's this WhatsApp issue that I can't send pictures taken from the stock camera from some reason, it just freezes. It's getting irritating. I don't think it's a WhatsApp issue and WhatsApp has released 3-4 updates and if it was, it would probably be fixed by now. And then the Call of Duty issues. It's probably Android 10 issue. I don't think the update is stable at all. Gallery app is behaving weird at times. Like when I open it, it shows no photos and freezes. And all above, I have been reading posts on the OnePlus community about people asking for update patches and the answers are usually that OP7Pro will get bimonthly updates. So, by that logic, if it's not stable for you, you're like ****ed for the next two months? It's just 5 months old device and no faster patches now apparently because OP7T can get 4-5 updates a month but OP7 Pro can't get fixed faster?
So if you guys have any solutions to above issues, help me out? I can't clean install every single time. I've tons of authenticator and stuff on the phone and really don't like setting it up all over again.
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I've been on 10.0.1 and I haven't had any issues that you described. I agree that the A10 update was far from perfect but have had the issues you had.
I have tried OB 5 too which runs even better.
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I've been on 10.0.1 and I haven't had any issues that you described. I agree that the A10 update was far from perfect but have had the issues you had.
I have tried OB 5 too which runs even better.
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I'm running 10.0.1 and I don't have any issues either.
I have two OnePlus 7 Pro's in my family and both are running 10.0.1 without any issues. I think my biggest issue that I see from time to time is that the auto brightness in low light rooms gets too dark. Other than that I think it is great! I will add that having read about all the problems many people are having, both here on XDA as well as on the OnePlus forum site, is that there's a common denominator for many of them...they complain about Whats App? Never used it! Sounds like a junk app to me because it seems to not work well on Android 10??? Also, they all have various games on theirs phones that do not work well with 10 either! I do not play games on an expensive communication tool. I say if you want to play games, then get a game station of some type and hook it up to your computer or TV, not to your cell phone. So maybe it's not Android 10.0.1 on the OnePlus 7 Pro that's the problem...maybe it's the crap-apps that people insist on installing on their phones. Now where did I leave that flame suit?
I add to main problems that android auto on opo7pro + android 10 it's fully unusable.
Audio glitch, drop connections, reboots and buttons disappear from interface.
Shame, going back to pie (but it's not anymore maintained for security update, so double disappointment).
Opo this time didn't performed well guys, let's be sincere
Since the update i am facing issue with screen dimming, even when i wake up the phone. I mean auto brightness was accurate for me on Pie.
Any resolution? Some may say its broken from start but not for me.Please advise.
No problems here
Try a full wipe and then install OB5
Work flawlessly
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I have two OnePlus 7 Pro's in my family and both are running 10.0.1 without any issues. I think my biggest issue that I see from time to time is that the auto brightness in low light rooms gets too dark. Other than that I think it is great! I will add that having read about all the problems many people are having, both here on XDA as well as on the OnePlus forum site, is that there's a common denominator for many of them...they complain about Whats App? Never used it! Sounds like a junk app to me because it seems to not work well on Android 10??? Also, they all have various games on theirs phones that do not work well with 10 either! I do not play games on an expensive communication tool. I say if you want to play games, then get a game station of some type and hook it up to your computer or TV, not to your cell phone. So maybe it's not Android 10.0.1 on the OnePlus 7 Pro that's the problem...maybe it's the crap-apps that people insist on installing on their phones. Now where did I leave that flame suit?
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So, I do play games on PC too. but it's more compact and easy to play on phones. I mean you can play it anywhere. OP7Pro even gave a Fnatic Mode for gaming. I don't even know what's the use of it if games are crashing and making the devices heat up. They even advertised cooling. And not everyone installs crap apps. Whatsapp issue is more serious. Whenever I try sending a photo/video using stock camera, the app crashes and freezes.
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So, I do play games on PC too. but it's more compact and easy to play on phones. I mean you can play it anywhere. OP7Pro even gave a Fnatic Mode for gaming. I don't even know what's the use of it if games are crashing and making the devices heat up. They even advertised cooling. And not everyone installs crap apps. Whatsapp issue is more serious. Whenever I try sending a photo/video using stock camera, the app crashes and freezes.
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I never said everyone installs crap apps, I said that those with constant issues do. There are way more people using this phone without any issues than there are with issues....and the difference just may be the choice of apps that people are installing. Simple.
If you are having issues with Whats App...then uninstall Whats App...issue solved! As for games...maybe the game developers need to do more work to make them work properly on 10. I do not use Whats App so I have none of the issues that Whats App has introduced and I do not play games so I have none of those issues either.
Imagine if any cell phone company said that you cannot play games on their phone because it will cause problems. It will never happen because they need to sell phones in order to stay in business and feed their families. Unfortunately this does not mean that many of these games will work properly on any cell phone. If playing games on a cell phone is a necessity then I would recommend getting a phone that is designed specifically for gaming as there are several to choose from. I would rather that phone makers designed different phones for different purposes but that rarely happens due to economic reasons. So you can continue to complain, or you can uninstall the apps and games that are causing your issues and enjoy what is otherwise an excellent phone with top notch software. The choice is yours. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for OnePlus to fix issues that are not their fault because if you do you will turn blue and suffocate to death.
I agree OP f*ed up with this....they really wanted to be the first to relase A10 after it was official that they ended up release an alpha as "stable"...I mean it says a lot when your beta is better than your stable (although in my case I had battery drain on B4 so I just downgrade to A9)
A lot of people love to say "I've been on 10.0.1 since day and I have no issue"... Cool congrats do you want a cookie? Cause you not having any issue doesn't take away from others having issues...
OP over the pass few years have become more mainstream so they've started acting more mainstream by not giving a rats ass about community opinions anymore .... Tragic really...
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I never said everyone installs crap apps, I said that those with constant issues do. There are way more people using this phone without any issues than there are with issues....and the difference just may be the choice of apps that people are installing. Simple.
If you are having issues with Whats App...then uninstall Whats App...issue solved! As for games...maybe the game developers need to do more work to make them work properly on 10. I do not use Whats App so I have none of the issues that Whats App has introduced and I do not play games so I have none of those issues either.
Imagine if any cell phone company said that you cannot play games on their phone because it will cause problems. It will never happen because they need to sell phones in order to stay in business and feed their families. Unfortunately this does not mean that many of these games will work properly on any cell phone. If playing games on a cell phone is a necessity then I would recommend getting a phone that is designed specifically for gaming as there are several to choose from. I would rather that phone makers designed different phones for different purposes but that rarely happens due to economic reasons. So you can continue to complain, or you can uninstall the apps and games that are causing your issues and enjoy what is otherwise an excellent phone with top notch software. The choice is yours. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for OnePlus to fix issues that are not their fault because if you do you will turn blue and suffocate to death.
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So I've been using WhatsApp since like 10 years now and just because I'm having problems on OP7 Pro, I should uninstall this app and that will solve the issue? Why not OnePlus/WhatsApp solves this issue? I mean if they're providing this phone, it also includes the operating system part too, not just the hardware.
And it's great you're not having any issues, I've posted this for the people who are having the issues and can discuss id they're any workaround for the issues we're facing.
They did advertised it as a gaming phone with Fnatic mode and 90hz display. And I hope you do know what Fnatic is? Or rather who they are.
It's about fixing the issues. It's been more than a freaking month and they've already forgotten about a premium segment smartphone. All their replies include bimonthly updates and replies from their fanboys.
If they stable release, at least be stable? I would be happily using Android 9 if they gave security patches separately. But no, I have to update in order to get the security updates too.
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I agree OP f*ed up with this....they really wanted to be the first to relase A10 after it was official that they ended up release an alpha as "stable"...I mean it says a lot when your beta is better than your stable (although in my case I had battery drain on B4 so I just downgrade to A9)
A lot of people love to say "I've been on 10.0.1 since day and I have no issue"... Cool congrats do you want a cookie? Cause you not having any issue doesn't take away from others having issues...
OP over the pass few years have become more mainstream so they've started acting more mainstream by not giving a rats ass about community opinions anymore .... Tragic really...
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I'm tired of people replying I don't have any issues. That's why I stopped discussing it on OP community. I mean what's the point of releasing an update if it's gonna be full of bugs? I would have rather waited and be on Pie until it was actually stable.
And it's not like OP7 Pro is a year old device or something. It's just six months. And if they **** something up in an update, you're gonna have to deal with it for two months because apparently their policy says bimonthly updates.
Well, I guess 7T is their priority. They have released 6 updates for it since it launched and doesn't give a rat's ass about OP7 Pro. And also, 5G users are getting it in Q2020. That's sad too.
did you deactivate all magisk mods before update id grab a fastboot file to flash erase the -w out the bat file and flash it will fix ive had no issues with 10
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I'm tired of people replying I don't have any issues.
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I don't have any issues.
Would me lying about it make you feel better?
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I don't have any issues.
Would me lying about it make you feel better?
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Or you can just ignore the post if you don't have any issues Tons of people have issue, and it's from reading all over the forums, reddit, xda and op community and from my own experience. So there's that.