I'm trying to find a phone that suits my needs, but it's proved difficult.
Currently I have a Galaxy SIII GSM phone.
I'd like a newer phone that's of similar size, 4.7 - 5.1 in or so, nothing remotely close to a Note3 in size. Also 2gb+ of RAM is mandatory, 1gb phones have all been ridiculously slow regardless of CPU. And rootable so I can install CM11+ on it.
Any suggestions?
phazei said:
I'm trying to find a phone that suits my needs, but it's proved difficult.
Currently I have a Galaxy SIII GSM phone.
I'd like a newer phone that's of similar size, 4.7 - 5.1 in or so, nothing remotely close to a Note3 in size. Also 2gb+ of RAM is mandatory, 1gb phones have all been ridiculously slow regardless of CPU. And rootable so I can install CM11+ on it.
Any suggestions?
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All the current flagships "phones". are 5.0-5.2". I say "phones" because I'm not including phablets like the Note or One Plus One or LG G3, HTC One M8 is 5.0", but is a pretty large phone because of the front speakers, ditto the 5.2" Sony Z2. The G2 is small for its 5.2" screen, and the smallest flagship, without going too far down in specs, is the Nexus 5. Smaller than that, and you're going to be compromising on processors. The Moto X has a 4.7" screen, as does the HTC One M7, but the specs aren't the latest or even the second latest. 2GB of RAM on each though, and both do run smooth and snappy. The Moto X is very compact despite the 4.7" screen.
The one exception to this is the Sony Xperia Z1 Compact. It has the same internals as the full size Z1 (Snapdragon 800 2.2GHz, 2GB RAM), but in a smaller size with a 4.3" screen. Personally though, I'd wait a month or two for the Z3 Compact (they skipped the Z2), which'll have the same height and width (but be a bit thinner) yet pack a bigger 4.6" screen. And front facing speakers and it's waterproof. One hell of a phone.
There are 3 threads already established that are devoted to discussions about devices, please read, and if necessary, repost your question in one of these threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
There are also several other discussion threads that you probably should review to help you. They are What phone do you wish you had? or
The Worst Android Device That You've Ever Had & Why or even this place that talks about The best phone you ever owned.
So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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Nah, OnePlus can't compete with moto's customer service. Even if they can, then also, not a big deal, customer service, it just needs to be good, I don't need it to be great. And no moto play for me, I decided that I'll buy a flagship, so I'll buy a flagship.
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iOS and Android system have much differences, that's why 1gb RAM feels so different between Android and iOS..
I've found complete explanation of it but forgot the source *sorry*
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Come on be serious...what comparison is this. Compare 1+1 with 1+2 or 1+2 with my 4 years old htc sensation
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So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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Depending on how you use your phone and how each phone handles battery life, the rate of charging might not be a factor to consider. If you burn through battery (and/or the phone itself helps) and can't get a days worth then fast charging should be important. If you don't use your phone much, turn radios off, etc. and charge your phone when you are asleep then either method of charging will do. Neither phone has wireless charging so you'd have to look elsewhere to get it. Feel is totally subjective and ONLY important for your tastes/wants. The screen is a contentious issue as some don't see a difference between 2k and 1080p, think the increase is worth the battery hit, or other reasons specific to the screens compared. If DxO is to be believed then the rear sensor in the Style is something to be reckoned with.
In real life usage, the 808 or 810 should be close to each other. The 808 is only "missing" two "Big" A57 cores when compared to the 810. The real difference is in benchmarks where having the "missing" cores will show better scores. With an almost stock Android interface the Style should show no feeling that "it needs more." I have no experience with OnePlus (or Moto and their OS optimizations) phones to speak on how Oxygen OS behaves. Since both phones aren't out to buy and be reviewed, any talk beforehand is just speculation. Wait for reviews from people you trust for an opinion or get a hand-on yourself on the UX "feel."
The amount of RAM you "need" or "should have" is debatable. If you play a lot of games and switch between heavy RAM-usage apps (or a lot of them) frequently, more RAM is beneficial. The type of RAM is cut-and-dry. LPDDR4 is simply better than LPDDR3. AS A STANDARD LPDDR4 operates at faster speeds AND uses less power than LPDDR3. Whether OnePlus has taken full advantage of the benefits has not been disclosed and no one has a device to find out the speed their RAM runs at for a definite conclusion.
USB Type-C is the "cable to end cables" when properly implemented. Full stop. Type-C was created with USB 3.1 and ALL of its benefits come with 3.1 AND software that enables those features. For the actual cable, Type-C brings a reversible plug (like Lightning) so there isn't a correct way you can plug the cable in. USB 2.0 (most likely in the Style too) will max at around 20 MB/s when transferring files to your computer or another device, and will be slower for smaller files. USB 3.0 and 3.1 will transfer at MUCH faster speeds with larger files. You can learn more about 3.1 and Type-C here and with a quick search. Other Type-C features aren't worth discussing as neither phone can take advantage of them.
Contact-less payments are supposed to finally take-off with the launch of Android (and Samsung) Pay to give that "extra push" to retailers that this is a feature that most would take advantage of when consumers can. Honestly, Apple Pay sowed the seed for contact-less payments. If contact-less payments is something you can see yourself doing then the OnePlus2 will not allow you to do so. Speaker quality or stereo speakers is a nice feature to have and should be considered if you play any media over the speakers. I have no comment with eithers' Costumer Support reputation.
For me, the decision between the OnePlus2 and Style is a no brainer. The OnePlus2 makes too many concessions against OnePlus' OWN BELIEFS and against the Style to make this a hard decision. Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
Moto x pure edition, not play
Galaxy S6
Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
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Nexus line of phones will never provide microSD card slot (google wants you to use its cloud!), and the 64GB version will make you pay 100$ more than the basic 16GB model. The best 64GB cards are under 30$ right now. So, I essentially get 80GB of storage with Style for 70$ less. Give me Style any day over Nexus or even OP2 (which gives 64GB for 389).
More than that though, its the camera and front facing stereo speakers that excite me about Style. We will see when it comes out.
bhu1 said:
So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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same thing happened to me
I'm dropping the two and will pick the moto x pure because it has the following that the two refused to add:
microsd slot
rapid charge
21 mp camera
front facing stereo speakers
invite-less purchase
but then that might change when the moto x pure is released
Id give the nod to the moto for several reasons the 3 big ones being.
ext sd card support, this is huge
Slightly larger screen
Moto customer support. If you read anything about OPO one thing is for sure in that their support is terrible.
Thats 3 reasons enough for me.:thumbup:
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I was inclined towards the one plus two before launch. Had really big expectations. But Moto X Style has upped the stakes. The only problem is availability and pricing. In India the customer service of Motorola is good. Only if Motorola announces the availability and pricing
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
I still don't get their reasoning for leaving out NFC from the OP2. They claim it wasn't widely used and it added cost, yet they decided to add a fingerprint sensor...
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
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And theres an artlicle online where someone says he cheated the invite reservation system haha. But yeah its all a joke tbh as you spam people to go up the list.
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Sporttster said:
Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
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I tried a Samsung Note 3 and I lost 7% of my calls according to Verizon. I switched to a Motorola n6 six months ago and haven't lost a call since. My dBm ranges from 100 to 121 (right now it 114). Motorola is the only one that can hold on to a phone call where I live. So, I will only buy Motorola phones from now on.
I had the OPO for about a year and finally was able to return it.
Too many touch issues and since getting Lollipop I've had nothing but battery issues. I tried many roms however I couldn't stand it.
I tried the Moto X 2nd gen for 2 days and fell in love.
Currently i'm testing out the Nexus 6 to see if I can handle the screen size, so far it's good however I'd like it to be a little smaller so I think the new Moto X might be fine.
I wish they went with a 5.5 and non QHD or at least went with a bigger battery.
I'm hoping the new Moto X's camera will be better than the Nexus 6
If I was rich I would get both. But the biggest advantage of the oneplus2 will likely be battery life. I have a feeling that the oneplus2 will be easier to hold. I like the fact that you can program the capacitive buttons on either side of the home button. But overall the moto x style would get my hard earned money. Software and screen quality/size give it the leg up on the oneplus2 for me.
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Thank you @Badger50 !
Cubot, if you read us : please make a smaller phone with the same screen.
100 * 52 mm with the same screen should be within reach.
You could even make a smaller phone if you use a screen with round corners.
People who buy 4 inch phones do so because they want a small phone body ; not for the "pleasure" of a small screen. But in the actual lineup, the smaller the phone is, the bigger the borders (and the worse the screen to body ratio) are !
Cobus.
Cobus089 said:
the smaller the phone is, the bigger the borders
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palm pvg100 or unihertz jelly 2 are already here for you
personally i'd love to get a small hi-end phone with android but market and vendors think differently
The Palm PVG100 is a nice phone but
Android 8
Battery is a nightmare
Screen is a bit small, at 3.3 inch
Screen-to-body ratio is only 61.4 %.
The same body with a bigger screen and a decent battery would be OK.
The Unihertz Jelly 2 is a joke, with its screen-to-body ratio of 52.8 % !
It is even worse than my 10 years old Sony-Ericsson Xperia Active !
Cobus.
ok, balmuda phone then - 77.8% but 4.9''
Thank you for your advice, badcodelab !
I knew the Balmuda Phone too.
Nice screen-to-body ratio, but the Balmuda phone is 123 * 69 mm. The Cubot Pocket is already too big for me at 119 * 58 mm.
And 800 € is too expensive for my usage.
It may be the right phone for you ?
Cobus.
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It may be the right phone for you ?
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nope, balmuda like mode1 grip and other jp phones doesn't support some 4g bands
i would still use my bb q10 if rim released bb os 11 or at least 1 more major update (bb os 10.4)
it was the best phone to me
cubot kkm or pocket has perfect size despite of poor hw
lets stop this offtop please, we won't get what we need
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The Palm PVG100 is a nice phone but
Android 8
Battery is a nightmare
Screen is a bit small, at 3.3 inch
Screen-to-body ratio is only 61.4 %.
The same body with a bigger screen and a decent battery would be OK.
The Unihertz Jelly 2 is a joke, with its screen-to-body ratio of 52.8 % !
It is even worse than my 10 years old Sony-Ericsson Xperia Active !
Cobus.
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Did you own the Jelly 2? Why is the screen to body ratio even an issue? As an owner (and previously of the Jelly Pro, the original Atom too) complaining about it in a phone with a notification led and physical buttons and that particular size is meaningless. The Jelly 2 is exactly as it should be - given what it aims to be. (Unfortunately, it has other issues...)
(Get a Rakuten Mini from Japan, then.)
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Hello,
Where could we move this discussion, that is now off topic ?
I refused to buy the Jelly 2 because of the poor screen-to-body ratio.
I want a phone that is small enough to fit my pockets everywhere I go, whatever I do (even in a Lycra running short). Its size should not be far from 100 mm high.
But the bigger the screen, the better.
Therefore I want a small phone with a fair screen-to-body ratio.
We see big phones that are almost borderless, with screen-to-body ratios over 90 %, but all phones with screens under 4.5 inch have big borders, with screen-to-body ratios ranging from 49.1 % to 64.8 %.
These phones look like they were produced between 2012 and 2015 (7 to 10 years ago), but they are what you can buy in 2022.
The 4" 1080*540 pixels screen of Cubot Kingkong Mini 1 & 2 and Cubot Pocket could fit in a 100 * 52 mm body (screen to body ratio : 79.4 %).
A 4.3" 1280*720 pixels screen with round corners could fit in a 105 * 60 mm body (screen to body ratio : 80.9 %).
But no one makes these "modern" small phones.
I considered buying the Rakuten Mini (screen-to-body ratio : 63 %), but it doesn't have 2G / GSM capability.
Cubot Kingkong Mini 1 & 2 and Cubot Pocket are among the smallest 4" phones one can buy today. They are not what I want, but I cannot make my own phone !
Cobus.
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It's obviously easier to design a very small phone with a screen that does not take so much real estate, especially if you plan to add notification light and physical buttons. Minimal borders is not a concern for some, like me and others I know.
The more general problem is big manufacturers have all abandoned small phones. The only Apple trend nobody is obsessively apeing. If they cared, a phone catering to your needs would eventually emerge.
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I considered buying the Rakuten Mini (screen-to-body ratio : 63 %), but it doesn't have 2G / GSM capability.
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Me too. But I am not certain about the bands working in Europe, otherwise I'd try to get it. But I also don't know where, I could not find any website. iPhone has almost all bands. I see myself buying an iPhone 12 mini before it is gone, because I know in some years they won't be anything of the kind. I don't understand why Palm did not make a new effort at a more appealing device for a wider audience. Size wise I like my old LG GD880 mini, but with today's demands it would be too small to fit a sufficient battery.
A smartphone is about access in your pocket, not the whole office workplace in your pocket.
kkm6761 said:
Me too. But I am not certain about the bands working in Europe, otherwise I'd try to get it. But I also don't know where, I could not find any website. iPhone has almost all bands. I see myself buying an iPhone 12 mini before it is gone, because I know in some years they won't be anything of the kind. I don't understand why Palm did not make a new effort at a more appealing device for a wider audience. Size wise I like my old LG GD880 mini, but with today's demands it would be too small to fit a sufficient battery.
A smartphone is about access in your pocket, not the whole office workplace in your pocket.
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Afaik, the Rakuten Mini is in fact a larger Palm with better battery, that is, made by the company which made the Palm. Not completely sure, though.
In my country (Romania) it worked flawlessly, but I never tested 2G (3G plus 4G coverage is almost complete).
landsome said:
Afaik, the Rakuten Mini is in fact a larger Palm with better battery, that is, made by the company which made the Palm. Not completely sure, though.
In my country (Romania) it worked flawlessly, but I never tested 2G (3G plus 4G coverage is almost complete).
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I read Rakuten Mini was made by Alcatel for Japan only. They indeed are the same phone, the later with bigger screen and battery.
Cubot promised other smaller devices, but with the "Pocket" name, I doubt we'll see anything smaller and strong. Since the time KKM is on sale, Pocket is a disappointing product for those that already know what it is and have moved on to higher expectations.
Looks like no phone maker can do anything satisfying in the 300€ range.
For now I won't get the Pocket, because i just got a new iPhone SE2, will repair my iPhone SE1 by putting it in an iPhone 5C frame and will get a new iPhone 12 mini in some time this month if I am yet lucky. I am still tempted by Rakuten mini over Palm, and of course theSharp Aquos R2 compact. The Sony Xperia XZ2 compact is too expensive for being so old without support, and is not even supported by Sailfish OS, which is quite frustrating.
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he Rakuten Mini is in fact a larger Palm with better battery, that is, made by the company which made the Palm.
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According to PhoneDB, the Rakuten mini is made by Wiko. Wiko belongs to Tinno mobile.
Palm belongs to TCL. TCL owns Alcatel Mobile Phones too.
Anyway, the PVG100 is/was "manufactured by a new Palm-branded startup company from California that is financially backed by TCL and basketball player Stephen Curry."
So I don't think that the same company makes both phones. But I may be wrong.
Why do you say that the Rakuten Mini is in fact a larger Palm ? Do both phones share the same motherboard ?
To me, both phones are small Android smartphones, but that's all, AFAIK.
Cobus.
We are (and have been for a while) off topic. Where coud we move this discussion ?
kkm6761 said:
. I am still tempted by Rakuten mini over Palm, and of course theSharp Aquos R2 compact. The Sony Xperia XZ2 compact is too expensive for being so old without support, and is not even supported by Sailfish OS, which is quite frustrating.
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The R2c is the same gen as the XZ2c, which has been getting official LOS18.1 for a long time now. I reliably get the weekly update. I did not try this Sharp, but had the Rc for a while (Softbank). Nice but quite underpowered and very quirky software wise, with very poor battery on 120hz.
Cobus089 said:
Why do you say that the Rakuten Mini is in fact a larger Palm ? Do both phones share the same motherboard ?
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I said was not sure.
kkm6761 said:
Cubot promised other smaller devices, but with the "Pocket" name, I doubt we'll see anything smaller and strong.
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Definitely. Cubot has pretty underpowered devices even compared to other Chinese rugged phone makers. They will probably not put a strong CPU in one of their smallest devices.