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What can I expect to sell an N5 for?

There is a scratch on the display which is barely noticable and affects nothing. The rear facing cam does not work, and the phone only works in speaker mode.
If I were to list this locally what kind of offers could I expect?

Check out kijiji and that will give you an idea.
I was lucky and got a nexus with a busted screen and sticky power button for 20. I put everything into a new lcd from Aliexpress. I also got a bricked nexus 5 with a perfect screen and all working internals, except the motherboard, for 50.
I would say you would be lucky to get 80.

audit13 said:
Check out kijiji and that will give you an idea.
I was lucky and got a nexus with a busted screen and sticky power button for 20. I put everything into a new lcd from Aliexpress. I also got a bricked nexus 5 with a perfect screen and all working internals, except the motherboard, for 50.
I would say you would be lucky to get 80.
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Thanks for the reply. The display looks amazing and has a screen protector on it and the scratch is minor.
Gonna take it up to a cell shop tomorrow and see how much it will cost to fix vs how much I can get to sell.

The ear piece doesn't work? Is that why the phone can only be used in speakerphone mode?

audit13 said:
The ear piece doesn't work? Is that why the phone can only be used in speakerphone mode?
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I believe so. I took it apart and all the connections look fine.

The camera is cheap to replace if you order a replacement from eBay or Aliexpress. For the earpiece issue, there could be an issue with the motherboard connector or the earpiece itself.
Sounds like you are handy and these two things should be easy to remedy.

In its current state no more than $100. Most likely $50-70

I'm thinking about buying one myself. There's a seller on my local Craigslist that's selling white 32gig versions for $130.. brand new, never used, and still in the box.
Just to let you know what a new one can go for.
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130 is not bad at all but seems almost too low for those specs.

Gonna run it up today and let you know how I make out. I don't need he phone, so am just gonna sell it for whatever I can get. Well, I won't be low balled.

Good luck. Let us know what sort of offers you get.

Help for contents and box of "new" S4 Black Edition i9505. Is it new or refurbished?

Help for contents and box of "new" S4 Black Edition i9505. Is it new or refurbished?
Hi,
I've just bought online in UK a brand new Samsung S4 Black Edition i9505.
However in the box S/M/L sizes eargels are missing (but earbuds are ok and sealed) and the UK charger is a ETA0U70XBE with only 1A output instead of 2A and it's missing its film wrapping. I also noticed that the small seal was not well applied outside the box so it's not clear if the box was sealed or unsealed. I've also found finger prints on the front sticker/screen protector (but not on the screen) and on the camera lens. The metal-plastic terminal of the usb cable is also a little dirty (but comes with plastic wrapping).
OS installed is already 5.0.1 but I thought that S4 comes with 4.4 preinstalled. Or maybe it is due it was assembled recently? Battery was also completely empty.
And I also found this sticker that seal the outside of the box with strange letters: A, B ,C (see attachment). What do they mean?
I would like to know if someone else has similar experience or maybe they sent me a refurbished/open box?

It probably is a refurbished or returned phone.
The box should contain the phone, the USB charger and USB cable (black), in-ear headphones with replacement buds, a manual and I think that's it.
If the box has been tampered with, then I would worry more about the phone itself than the contents.
I also have a black edition (or so it says on the box).
Mine's got a leather-like back cover and the whole phone is pure dark black. The original model had a brighter black tone and it was spotted.

Hi,
thanks for the answer. The only thing missing are the replacement buds but also rest is suspicious as written above.
The charger for example had no plastic wrapping but most of all it's only a 1 amp model. How many amps has your charger? Which model? An EU model (long and slim) or a UK model (bulkier and short)? See attachments. Mine is a UK model but looks like an S3 charger which is slightly different from S4 charger and has only 1 amp output. Does anyone else got a 1 amp charger with its S4???

Mine's a 2.0 Amp EU model, black. It also had wrapping around it.
Did you get any warranty with the phone?

GDReaper said:
Mine's a 2.0 Amp EU model, black. It also had wrapping around it.
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While mine is a S3/S4-Mini charger at 1.0 Amp with no wrapping...
Did you get any warranty with the phone?
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The seller said it has 2 year UK/European warranty but it had to say this because he's selling them as new. Of course I had the invoice but it's just a piece of paper printed from internet.
I found a new strange thing: as you can see in the first picture there is a EAN code on the sticker. I searched that code on Google and the result was: Samsung S2 (TWO!).
Does the EAN on your box match with Samsung S4 on Google?

I can't check because my box was sealed on 3 sides, and one of those seals had the number on it and it is now torn apart.
But I don't have any reason to believe it would correspond to anything other than an S4.
The phone was bought from one of the biggest electronics store in my country.

GDReaper said:
I can't check because my box was sealed on 3 sides, and one of those seals had the number on it and it is now torn apart.
But I don't have any reason to believe it would correspond to anything other than an S4.
The phone was bought from one of the biggest electronics store in my country.
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I checked some pictures of S4 boxes that I found on Youtube, reviews, Google and all the EAN on them match the ones of a S4! So probably the second seal (the one in the attachment of my first message) is a FAKE seal!!!
I found another strange thing: the protective plastic on the front of the S4 was the colored one of S4 white and black mist (see attachment). But on unboxing video on Youtube the Black Edition always have a transparent one!
Which one did you find?

I think that A,B,C has some mean to it.
A- IMEI remains on the box
B- Seller(Vender) keeps it with them so that non can complain whether or not it was steal product,in short security reason
C- Buyer get it stocked on warranty card/ Billl to claim for warranty.
Now that phone is old, it usually stays as was. Nothing to worry about as long as device is fully functional.

dr.patron99 said:
I think that A,B,C has some mean to it.
A- IMEI remains on the box
B- Seller(Vender) keeps it with them so that non can complain whether or not it was steal product,in short security reason
C- Buyer get it stocked on warranty card/ Billl to claim for warranty.
Now that phone is old, it usually stays as was. Nothing to worry about as long as device is fully functional.
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Thanks for the answer. But another problem with the seal was that there was printed a EAN of a Samsung S2 (TWO!) instead of one of a S4. So it was clearly a fake seal. And I've never saw in any unboxing photo or video a seal like that for Samsung S4. I also contacted Samsung UK which confirmed me that the phone was not in proper condition. They also checked the serial number of the device and told me that it was invalid! So it was a refurbished unit.
However I sent the phone back to the seller and received a full refund. Last week I bought a new S4 Black Mist from another seller and this one is perfect. New, sealed (seal with a S4 EAN on it) and with all accessories and plastic wrappings. The OS installed is still Android 4 as expected and not already 5. And a 2A charger. It works very well. :good:

How much did you pay? If it was a good price then ignore the fact it's not new. My S4 was second hand, and I specifically chose it for that reason.

skezza said:
How much did you pay? If it was a good price then ignore the fact it's not new. My S4 was second hand, and I specifically chose it for that reason.
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I paid it 267 euro with shipping. Too much for a used one with missing parts and the wrong charger (only 1A instead of 2A). So I sent it back to the seller.
For the one I bought last week I paid 275 euro with shipping but it's new and sealed (with all accessories and a 2A charger which 2 times faster than a 1A one).

Alfhw said:
I paid it 267 euro with shipping. Too much for a used one with missing parts and the wrong charger (only 1A instead of 2A). So I sent it back to the seller.
For the one I bought last week I paid 275 euro with shipping but it's new and sealed (with all accessories and a 2A charger which 2 times faster than a 1A one).
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Oh wow, yes that is a lot for a used one. I paid £120 for mine last February. It's in pretty good condition (only a few marks on the silver bezel, no scratches on the screen) but it came only with a single generic charger, and a crappy USB cable. No headset or anything, but I wasn't overly bothered because the phone itself is where the money goes and £120 for an S4 is a bargain, even today. 267 Euro's is over £205, which is absolutely top money, even for a brand new model, so to be told it was used, I would be sending it back tbh.

skezza said:
Oh wow, yes that is a lot for a used one. I paid £120 for mine last February. It's in pretty good condition (only a few marks on the silver bezel, no scratches on the screen) but it came only with a single generic charger, and a crappy USB cable. No headset or anything, but I wasn't overly bothered because the phone itself is where the money goes and £120 for an S4 is a bargain, even today. 267 Euro's is over £205, which is absolutely top money, even for a brand new model, so to be told it was used, I would be sending it back tbh.
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And most of all the seller was selling it as "new". I even emailed him before buying to be sure and he answered it was new and sealed... And the one he sent me had missing parts and a S3 charger (with only 1A output)!
Anyway 275 euro for the one I bought last week from a different seller is a good price for a really new and sealed S4. It is still a very good mid-range device. I was also considering a Samsung A3-310-2016 which came out in January this year for 240 euro with shipping but the S4 has still better specs and a huge XDA and custom rom support!

Alfhw said:
And most of all the seller was selling it as "new". I even emailed him before buying to be sure and he answered it was new and sealed... And the one he sent me had missing parts and a S3 charger (with only 1A output)!
Anyway 275 euro for the one I bought last week from a different seller is a good price for a really new and sealed S4. It is still a very good mid-range device. I was also considering a Samsung A3-310-2016 which came out in January this year for 240 euro with shipping but the S4 has still better specs and a huge XDA and custom rom support!
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It's an extremely good mid-range device. The way I like to look at it, is like this:
You can see from my phone history (in my signature), that I go from an i9000 to an LG N4 to a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4G, which is quite a deviation. The i9000 was a premium device at the time and it felt like one. The N4 was a premium device and it really really felt like one (and still does to this day). The Xiaomi was a great phone, but you could tell it was manufactured for the Indian market. It wasn't that it was cheaply made. I actually think Xiaomi are quite nicely made, it was the fact there was never any commitment to updates. Getting Lollipop was a bit like playing a game of roulette. Are they going to get it? Who knows? Kind of thing..... eventually some devs ported it, but rather than the 100's that work on Samsung and the Nexus devices, there were a few kids in their bedrooms doing it. I simply didn't have time to get stuck into any ROM development at that point in time either. The Xiaomi was let down by the lack of devs, the poor camera and the general unreliability of updates and software fixes etc.
So here's the point I'm making. You can own a brand new Xiaomi, which for the money seems decent and performs okay and stuff and yeah, they're decent enough phones, if you're going for a new model....
OR, you can get yourself a second hand S4, which will blow away the majority of Xiaomi phones because here's the thing. It's not just about specs on paper. The camera destroys the Xiaomi camera's, the screen destroys the majority of Xiaomi screens and the fact there are 100's of devs knocking out great ROM's means this phone will last a lot longer than the Xiaomi ones ever will.
My modus operandi has now changed. I will never buy a new device again. Every 2 years, I will buy a last gen Samsung (or other brand) device when they become cheap and enjoy all the benefits of XDA devs and what not

skezza said:
It's an extremely good mid-range device. The way I like to look at it, is like this:
You can see from my phone history (in my signature), that I go from an i9000 to an LG N4 to a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4G, which is quite a deviation. The i9000 was a premium device at the time and it felt like one. The N4 was a premium device and it really really felt like one (and still does to this day). The Xiaomi was a great phone, but you could tell it was manufactured for the Indian market. It wasn't that it was cheaply made. I actually think Xiaomi are quite nicely made, it was the fact there was never any commitment to updates. Getting Lollipop was a bit like playing a game of roulette. Are they going to get it? Who knows? Kind of thing..... eventually some devs ported it, but rather than the 100's that work on Samsung and the Nexus devices, there were a few kids in their bedrooms doing it. I simply didn't have time to get stuck into any ROM development at that point in time either. The Xiaomi was let down by the lack of devs, the poor camera and the general unreliability of updates and software fixes etc.
So here's the point I'm making. You can own a brand new Xiaomi, which for the money seems decent and performs okay and stuff and yeah, they're decent enough phones, if you're going for a new model....
OR, you can get yourself a second hand S4, which will blow away the majority of Xiaomi phones because here's the thing. It's not just about specs on paper. The camera destroys the Xiaomi camera's, the screen destroys the majority of Xiaomi screens and the fact there are 100's of devs knocking out great ROM's means this phone will last a lot longer than the Xiaomi ones ever will.
My modus operandi has now changed. I will never buy a new device again. Every 2 years, I will buy a last gen Samsung (or other brand) device when they become cheap and enjoy all the benefits of XDA devs and what not
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Agree! :good:

Light bleed, is this normal?

I have just received my XZ dual and all seems to be OK apart from the not so great camera, which I expected.
I have just found that there is a light bleed coming from the phone body, in the bottom right corner, between the display panel and frame. Waterproofing test seems to be working. Also it always stops about half second later after I turn off the screen, which is a bit strange.
I am adding a picture...
Does anyone have similar issue?

No light bleed on mine. Think the camera is fine too.
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That's not normal at all, you should get yours replaced asap, this phone is supposed to be completely sealed.

Venom71 said:
That's not normal at all, you should get yours replaced asap, this phone is supposed to be completely sealed.
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That's what I thought as well. I have never seen such issue on any of my smartphones before. The problem is, I live in Europe and bought mine from HK. Hope the seller will take it back...

frostitomik said:
That's what I thought as well. I have never seen such issue on any of my smartphones before. The problem is, I live in Europe and bought mine from HK. Hope the seller will take it back...
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If you brought the phone brand new you don't need to sent it back to seller. It has international warranty for 2 years. Sony will fix the issue or replace handset.

Darni187 said:
If you brought the phone brand new you don't need to sent it back to seller. It has international warranty for 2 years. Sony will fix the issue or replace handset.
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Thanks for your advice. The seller has actually contacted me with the return shipping details and I will be returning it to their UK hotspot.
I have decided to get a refund instead of a repair or replacement as I am not really sure I want this phone anymore, at least not now. It's a beauty, but I will wait once all the issues are fixed and then maybe get one.

frostitomik said:
Thanks for your advice. The seller has actually contacted me with the return shipping details and I will be returning it to their UK hotspot.
I have decided to get a refund instead of a repair or replacement as I am not really sure I want this phone anymore, at least not now. It's a beauty, but I will wait once all the issues are fixed and then maybe get one.
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Your welcome, smart move.. :good:
I just got the XZ yesterday lucky no screen issues..

frostitomik said:
Thanks for your advice. The seller has actually contacted me with the return shipping details and I will be returning it to their UK hotspot.
I have decided to get a refund instead of a repair or replacement as I am not really sure I want this phone anymore, at least not now. It's a beauty, but I will wait once all the issues are fixed and then maybe get one.
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The phone is great, I really can't find any real negative side of it, people talk **** about it because of the 3gb of ram, but if you want disappointment give a look to samsung or htc's forums

Honor V10, Bluetooth and OIS

Got an Honor View 10 from John Lewis yesterday and was lucky I pulled the trigger yesterday because the price went up from £339 to £449 overnight. I haven't opened it but just wondering whether not having OIS is going to be a permanent thing and also is Bluetooth going to be updated to 5.0 if it isn't a hardware issue?

anyway Honor have answered me, Bluetooth is permanently on 4.2 as its a hardware issue. The OIS stuff they have forwarded to their R&D department.

same here, got it for 339£, have it unopened while I contemplate what to do next. johnlewis has an amazing 35 days return policy.
no eis update is a sure return for me

Who cares about eis... I make awesome videos just the same.
And they come out just fine.
I'm loving mine
Even put my s8+ in the desk drawer
It's like talking to parakeets
Squak Squak.. No eis Squak whaaa
Sooner or later it will be fixed
Go on spend 1000 sterling pounds dollars.
I'm laughing and making awesome videos
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speaking about the l09 uk version, does it come with both uk and eu adapters?

varignet said:
speaking about the l09 uk version, does it come with both uk and eu adapters?
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Mine just came worn the eu one... Had to buy an adapter off e bay.... $1.80 us
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nolia what about yours one?

Ois so far has posed no problems for me, just have to remember that decent lighting is required for quick response of the camera, other then that the dual shooter is fantastic imo.
Can I ask the difference between Bluetooth 4.2 and 5.

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nolia what about yours one?
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haven't opened it. Normally goods sold in the UK from big chains have UK plugs.

mrmigs2011 said:
Ois so far has posed no problems for me, just have to remember that decent lighting is required for quick response of the camera, other then that the dual shooter is fantastic imo.
Can I ask the difference between Bluetooth 4.2 and 5.
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bluetooth 5 allows you to connect 2 devices simultaneously e.g you can connect 2 bluetooth speakers and stream music to both of them. In 4.2 its one or the other, it will show there is 2 bluetooth headphones/speakers but you have to chose 1.

Nolia said:
haven't opened it. Normally goods sold in the UK from big chains have UK plugs.
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Please let me know if you decide to open yours, will do the same. I wish it comes with the EU plug it would work better for my ends.
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congrats on the deal, I was keeping an eye on amazon at £369.99 until it run out of stock.
Following day CPW had it on the website at £339.99 for 2 days, I was literally ordering it when the price went up to £449.99 I think it was.
Johnlewis luckily had it in stock at £339.99 and I pulled the trigger. I knew JL was going to amend the price and bam it did the following day, following CPW 's foodsteps eheheh.

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Please let me know if you decide to open yours, will do the same. I wish it comes with the EU plug it would work better for my ends.
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congrats on the deal, I was keeping an eye on amazon at £369.99 until it run out of stock.
Following day CPW had it on the website at £339.99 for 2 days, I was literally ordering it when the price went up to £449.99 I think it was.
Johnlewis luckily had it in stock at £339.99 and I pulled the trigger. I knew JL was going to amend the price and bam it did the following day, following CPW 's foodsteps eheheh.
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yeah they follow each other haha. The note 8 dropped at CPW and bingo John had it at the same price. But anway, why so much emphasis on EU plug assuming u live here of course or u live in Spain lol
I will set mine next week when I go home, doubt would return it. I have read a lot of positive reviews and some neg but overall positives trounced the negatives.

I'm based in London but will likely move to Europe for work reasons within weeks

Moto Z4 not coming to Europe?

The official announcement for the Moto Z4 is only for the US. Do you think there is hope for a European model soon?
In this FCC leak (https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-z4-play-specifications-fcc/) it said that a version for Europe is planned. But many German websites claim that this is a US only phone. But they don't cite any source for this claim.
Would like to know whether I should still wait or buy something else. Thanks a lot!

rhhd said:
The official announcement for the Moto Z4 is only for the US. Do you think there is hope for a European model soon?
In this FCC leak (https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-z4-play-specifications-fcc/) it said that a version for Europe is planned. But many German websites claim that this is a US only phone. But they don't cite any source for this claim.
Would like to know whether I should still wait or buy something else. Thanks a lot!
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Motorola Germany said, at least on their market, they wouldn't have any Z4 coming this year.

sklks said:
Motorola Germany said, at least on their market, they wouldn't have any Z4 coming this year.
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Thanks! Do you have a link? What does "on their market" mean?

I can't find it but if you notice on the UK and IT there isn't any information about Z4.

There's a higher version of z4
Z4 Force

According to Motorola there will not be force this year https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/31/18647830/motorola-moto-z4-force-not-releasing-this-year

Bad news https://www.techradar.com/news/moto-z4-wont-be-launching-outside-the-us-and-canada

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Bad news https://www.techradar.com/news/moto-z4-wont-be-launching-outside-the-us-and-canada
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Well that's just stupid. On the other hand, Moto Z4 does support bands B3, B7 and B20. So it's still possible to import.

Hope it's not their final decision. The way it's written looks like there's a door open.
As for importing - no warranty and an extra $/€/£ 100 or so for shipping(unless a buddy brongs one for you) makes it a tough decision.

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Hope it's not their final decision. The way it's written looks like there's a door open.
As for importing - no warranty and an extra $/€/£ 100 or so for shipping(unless a buddy brongs one for you) makes it a tough decision.
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You're right. Suddenly a Moto Z3 Play with that battery mod included for 250 eur seems like a sweet deal. Also, I'm interested what Xiaomi Mi A3 will bring to the table

I've researched. It will only cost me $ 20 to get it where I live. Now the question is if it does indeed support the right bands for over here.
I'd also wait for some other offer, preferably a battery, as I already have the 360 camera mod.

You can check all the bands here at the bottom of the page: https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-gen-4-unlocked

If this Z4's low performance with high price, I don't think this model will good-sale in Europe.

Low performance with high price? Isn't it other way around? Which other phone offers 128gb storage, 6.4" screen display, night vision camera, headphone jack, in display fingerprint reader and micro sd card for under $500? Not even going to bother mentioning the added benefits of mods.

Excellent camera!?
What I have found Z4 has better camera, than for example Google Pixel 3a. In my mind way better video camera.
Is there any other Motorola phone, which has that camera? And is it really possible Z4 is not coming to Europe?

Really want to buy this phone so I can replace my z play. Hope it can be sold to other countries and release a dual SIM version.

I've ordered it, should be here soon. Hopefully all works as expected.

I am from Germany and were lucky to have got the rare opportunity to get a second hand Z4 from Germany. So no import charges and no expensive shipping cost.
I have not regretted the purchase yet. No problems with frequency bands, connection and so on. I really like the phone. What I noticed, especially, is that it is very much less sensitive to signs of use like scatches or similar. With all my former Z Series devices, I could at least see scratches at the frame very quickly - even although using a bumper most of the time. With my Z4, I only use a StyleShell for the back with zero protection for the metal frame at the sides and still not one single scratch. Wonderful!
No warranty is not really true. The truth is, you will have warranty, but you will have to send it to the USA then. I can not imagine that shipping a little box only containing a flat mobile to the USA could be that expensive. For warranty, you only have to send in the mobile and nothing else. So warranty claims will only become more complicated. But for me, Z4 is worth that risk and inconvenience.
And after all: Z4 is a REAL battery beast!

Well I've got it. All works as expected. First impressions are really good. Still getting used to the taller aspect ratio.
I also seem to have gotten the amz one. Don't mind the few mb bloatware. I just wonder if software updates will be as usual or further delayed?

Maheshwara said:
I only use a StyleShell for the back with zero protection for the metal frame at the sides and still not one single scratch. Wonderful!
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According to reviews use of StyleShells is one of the biggest drawbacks with Z4, as they don't fit to the frame as nice and seamless as on previous Z models. I'm also using StyleShell on permanent basis and while it maybe not so big issue with some of the bigger and shortly used mods, it seems like showstopper to me if there is a gap and StyleShell doesn't fit well. Would you be so kind to clarify this? Maybe you can make some photos of your StyleShell attached?