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Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
acuralegendz said:
Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
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Considering that the Tegra 2 is a RISC CPU and to my knowledge the only Windows version that is written for RISC CPUs is WinCE I'm guess the answer to your question is yes and no. Yes technically an OS made by MS in the Windows "family" (WinCE) could be ported to the gtab but realistically the kind of windows variant that I think you're looking for (XP/Win7) no. And you're right this is a powerful piece of hardware... way more that is necessary for WinCE so on al counts it's doubtful that windows will ever make it onto the gtab.
Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
romanrish said:
Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
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Actually there is a reason that it is running android 1.6. 1.6 has a compiled version that runs on x86 architecture.
No dice on win 7 on this puppy sorry
Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
romanrish said:
Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
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The other tablet is uses Intel Atom CPU, hence why it works, would have been nice if that tablet had Android 2.2....but who wants Win7 when you got android....hahaha
I agree about android over win, but I always like to have the ability to. I have my linux box w/ a tiny Win7 partition. Course every time I log into it. I remember why I stopped using windows
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The VS 10" multi-boot tablet has an Atom (x86) CPU and dual boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6 (IIRC).
The only thing vaguely like Windows that you MIGHT be able to get on the gTab will be some version of wince(and I do -- they're trying to call it Windows Mobile now since wince was so awful, but it sounds like it hasn't helped).
I'd actually like to see how well WinMo 6.5, like my old touch pro had, would run on a g-tab. I really enjoyed that old phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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craigwillie said:
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
rushless said:
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
rushless said:
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?
Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
horndroid said:
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
farr3ll said:
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.
I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.
Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220
I'm running Windows 7 on a Lenovo xxxx something or other.
I'm thinking of getting a laptop for graduation and I'm wondering if there's one that is better than most for doing Android stuff*.
Any suggestions?
*development, flashing, etc etc.
Chrisruns said:
I'm running Windows 7 on a Lenovo xxxx something or other.
I'm thinking of getting a laptop for graduation and I'm wondering if there's one that is better than most for doing Android stuff*.
Any suggestions?
*development, flashing, etc etc.
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If your really want to get serious with Android you WILL need some form of Linux... I use Ubuntu as it has the most user friendly GUI. I just run it in Oracle's VM Virtualbox. I have as of now a MacBook Pro... which I'm planning to sell and buy something more powerful for gaming
I have a Lenovo IdeaPad Y560 w/ 6 GB RAM and quad-core i7 processor. It runs great but it can make a LOT of heat . Windows 7 is my main OS, but I recently added Lubuntu (Linux) for development/android stuff.
In terms of hardware, well I don't feel like keeping up with the latest hardware until it's my turn to buy but try and find the best specs that are within your price range. In terms of software, stay with Windows but for Android stuff I highly recommend a Linux virtual machine: take a look at Virtualbox and Ubuntu.
Linux OpenSuse 12.1 for me.
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This is a question on the Computer CPU with the new Windows 8 and Android.
I am considering upgrading my tower to a new CPU and wondering if the Windows 8 and Android have any problems? I don't know a h**l of a lot about the OS and running Windows 7 now. I have read several articles that preinstalled Windows 8 can't be downgraded as there is a built in glitch on the OS and the motherboard that prevents the downgrade and will kill the CPU. I am maybe considering building a system and installing Windows 7 but I don't know a lot about competely building a computer unit. I have installed various components and had luck with that. I can find only one factory built that meets what I want in a CPU but like most its preinstalled with windows 8. So I was just wondering if there is any problems with flashing roms and such from a windows 8 unit before I ditch out 5 or 6 hundred for a new computer.
leesumm said:
This is a question on the Computer CPU with the new Windows 8 and Android.
I am considering upgrading my tower to a new CPU and wondering if the Windows 8 and Android have any problems? I don't know a h**l of a lot about the OS and running Windows 7 now. I have read several articles that preinstalled Windows 8 can't be downgraded as there is a built in glitch on the OS and the motherboard that prevents the downgrade and will kill the CPU. I am maybe considering building a system and installing Windows 7 but I don't know a lot about competely building a computer unit. I have installed various components and had luck with that. I can find only one factory built that meets what I want in a CPU but like most its preinstalled with windows 8. So I was just wondering if there is any problems with flashing roms and such from a windows 8 unit before I ditch out 5 or 6 hundred for a new computer.
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The only issue I have seen is USB drivers not recognizing Android Devices and problems installing the drivers.
Here is the link for the way to resolve the issue http://kwangzspace.wordpress.com/20...alling-android-usb-driver-in-windows-8-64bit/
Hope this helps.
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The only issue I have seen is USB drivers not recognizing Android Devices and problems installing the drivers.
Here is the link for the way to resolve the issue http://kwangzspace.wordpress.com/20...alling-android-usb-driver-in-windows-8-64bit/
Hope this helps.
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Ok, thanks, I haven't taken the step yet to upgrade but been debating the issue. My computer is slow and getting slower with all the software and such today. Being computer illiterate , I don't really know if to try to keep win 7 or go with win 8. However which way I am considering a 1T HD and about 16 gig ram with an i5 or i7 chip. I am hopeing when done it will fly and pass a F-18. With my present set up it takes about 45 seconds to copy a zip to the phone. AT 65 now and retired I feel the need for speed.
leesumm said:
Ok, thanks, I haven't taken the step yet to upgrade but been debating the issue. My computer is slow and getting slower with all the software and such today. Being computer illiterate , I don't really know if to try to keep win 7 or go with win 8. However which way I am considering a 1T HD and about 16 gig ram with an i5 or i7 chip. I am hopeing when done it will fly and pass a F-18. With my present set up it takes about 45 seconds to copy a zip to the phone. AT 65 now and retired I feel the need for speed.
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With that setup you could run a small country lol.
Crazy processor and way overkill on ram only to be crazy bottlenecked by a mechanical drive lol
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exad said:
Crazy processor and way overkill on ram only to be crazy bottlenecked by a mechanical drive lol
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Yes indeed. SS would be the way to go.