Nothing is broke, I dont see why I should update. I've learned my lesson about updating when everything is working fine. I'm on Tmobile with an unlocked N10+.
Updates are more likely to bring improvements than problems. And without updates, you have no protection from newly discovered security vulnerabilities. So I'd recommend updating unless you're ok with the possibility of someone remotely and covertly taking over your phone.
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Couple questions here.
360 Mobile Security gets plenty press by claiming it provides hotfixes. I haven't noticed new ones since 2012. I've noticed the same hotfixes offered to users upon installation of the app put onto any android I've observed to date. Obviously we're well into KitKat now, so are these hotfixes redundant by now due to upgraded systems since then? If not, then why haven't these issues been resolved with carrier or custom firmware by now? still claim to be exploits that your android needs even on the most recent phones. They explain what kind of exploits they'e patching, but not referencing the specific alleged exploit.
For older phones not yet rooted, does CM Security and/or 360 Security fix the MasterKey exploit and other older ones now fixed by JB 4.3 and KitKat? They don't mention that they do, yet they may do so. They also do not discuss whether they address dirty USDD issues, etc.
Thanks for any responses.
I don't know how this'll go.......
So all my past android phones I have rooted + installed recoveries and what not. Originally I did this because I heard of a way to increase the battery life of my HTC Incredible via rooting. Afterwards I found myself rooting my Inc2, DNA, Inc4G, and my One M8. This time I did it so I can get the latest versions of Android/HTC Sense (until Google finally made a good looking UI w. 5.0).
Today (technically yesterday at this point) I bought the Pixel in hopes of finally being able to receive consistent android updates. That being said, the idea of being able to get consistent and relatively quick android updates was the whole point of me unlocking + rooting my phone.
I guess the question remains: Should I continue running unlocked with the Pixel, or will the updates from Google be enough?
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I guess the question remains: Should I continue running unlocked with the Pixel, or will the updates from Google be enough?
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I like custom recoveries like TWRP because you can make nandroid backups. The downside of unlocking your bootloader is that Android Pay won't work and if someone gets ahold of your phone, like a thief, if the phone is unlocked then they can flash it and it will circumvent any protection on the device.
I like root because you can use apps that require root, like some Ad blockers and Titanium Backup, and because I can remove system apps I don't want on my phone.
It all depends on what you want to do with your phone.
Unless someone has a reason for unlocking the device, generally I don't see the point. There are some things that I want to do with my phone, which are easier to do unlocked, so personally I specifically wanted an unlockable phone. Depending on how much you've read about the Pixel, here are some things you may or may not know.
- Unlocking the device will wipe it, so if you decide later that you want to unlock it will wipe the phone.
- An unlocked stock device can still use the standard OTA updates.
- Some SuperSU users may be able to unroot and then use the standard OTA updates, and some rooted users have reported their phones automatically updating.
- After I started using root my phone fails to install the OTA updates, so I'd guess one of the checked areas on my phone has changed due to the root apps I've used.
- If the OTA notification shows up and the update will not install, with the stock ROM it's possible to burn through a lot of cellular data. When I didn't update my phone this month, it used about 1 GB before I shut off cellular data.
- Items like a computer, TWRP, or FlashFire are the sorts of alternate update routes for the stock ROM if a rooted phone cannot use the standard OTA.
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some rooted users have reported their phones automatically updating..
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Isn't there a way to disable the automatic updates?
LoliSmith said:
Isn't there a way to disable the automatic updates?
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You can disable them in developer options. I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available. However, some have reported that they had system updates disabled in developer options and they still get notified an update is available. It seems to be hit and miss so I can't say for sure it would work for you or not.
Just addressing OPs concerns, unlocking your phone shouldn't have any impact on updates from Google. You can still get them, OTA or otherwise.
The only downside I'd say, are warranty related (unlocking the bootloader will void the warranty on Verizon models), and security. Google has pretty much decided that having an unlocked bootloader is not secure enough for Android pay, so you'll be without that (However, you can still use loaded gift cards/loyalty program cards. It's just credit/debit cards that won't work).
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You can disable them in developer options. I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available. However, some have reported that they had system updates disabled in developer options and they still get notified an update is available. It seems to be hit and miss so I can't say for sure it would work for you or not.
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On my motorola phones, there was an app that you could freeze using titanium back up. I wonder if there is anything like that with the pixel?
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The only downside I'd say, are warranty related (unlocking the bootloader will void the warranty on Verizon models),
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First, that assumes that Google has a record of you unlocking your bootloader, which they may since jcase is saying that the phones have to communicate with the Google servers to unlock the bootloader.
Second, there is a federal law on this and the way it works in this situation is that if unlocking your bootloader is not related to the warranty claim, Google can't deny your claim. For instance, if the charging port fails that is entirely a hardware issue unrelated to unlocking your bootloader. Google must honor the warranty for that.
If you were to brick your device flashing, that would be different but Google would have to have some proof that you not only unlocked your bootloader but that it was the unlocked bootloader that resulted in a bricked phone.
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I've had my phone since early November (turned off system updates the day I got it) and have never been notified that an update is available.
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Are you manually updating your device, or are you running months behind the current release? The reason I ask is that the OTA notices on my phone have been delayed my days or weeks from the initial release, but I think they have showed up eventually when I've stayed on a prior version and the developer option has been shut off.
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On my motorola phones, there was an app that you could freeze using titanium back up. I wonder if there is anything like that with the pixel?
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I was hoping the following link might work similar to the Razr updater, but unfortunately the change kept my phone awake and didn't allow deep sleep both times I tried it. The update notification can be shut off by long pressing it, which I think shows up as a notification block. Due to the cellular data drain, my current plan is to try FlashFire for updates, and if that doesn't work well I'll probably try a ROM to avoid OTA updates.
https://www.androidexplained.com/pixel-hide-ota-notification/
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Are you manually updating your device, or are you running months behind the current release? The reason I ask is that the OTA notices on my phone have been delayed my days or weeks from the initial release, but I think they have showed up eventually when I've stayed on a prior version and the developer option has been shut off.
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I've been manually updating it. Usually within a week or so of the release. However, I skipped the January update all together and never got a notification about it. Maybe I got lucky. Don't know.
Thanks for the input guys.
So a lot of the stuff you guys are saying are things that I have had prior experience with so the actual process of unlocking I have no issues with. If unlocking the Pixel is anything like the Moto X Pure (which it should cause Google) it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
That said I am with Verizon and I can say that in all of my years of owning rooted/unlocked HTC phones I only ever needed to use my warranty for hardware based claims. Like I said the main reason I unlocked/rooted was to get updated ROMs that Verizon/HTC wouldn't push out to the phone. I think I'll more than likely unlock it but I probably won't root unless I need to.
That's pretty much where I am. I did root, but a recent OTA update that I accidentally took unrooted me. Keeping the bootloader unlocked at least leaves that option available.
I couldn't find anything anywhere online about this OTA that I got yesterday on my US996, no record of it ever existing. So I asked LG about it and this was their response. I haven't applied the update yet, but will update this post if I notice anything other than what LG stated. I will hold off for a while on installing it so if enough people want me to capture and share the OTA then I will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsD3pGv5cv8
From what I see all I've noticed is the Nov 6 security patch which means blueborne and krack are fixed among other exploits, ARB is still 0 so can be rolled back if wanted for some reason. Cool that it adds rcs support, not that my carrier has support anyway
was there a point for a video? simple screenshot of the conversation would have sufficed
updated, and i can't use my sim card anymore, the phone detected sim card but no signal at all, got some extra buttons in dailer.
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updated, and i can't use my sim card anymore, the phone detected sim card but no signal at all, got some extra buttons in dailer.
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As I mentioned in another thread, after I installed the update, it listed "unknown version" for baseband and wouldn't connect to Verizon for a few minutes. Then the baseband version showed correctly and it connected.
Since baseband is a wholly separate CPU and OS, it's not clear what it was updating in the background, but it fixed itself eventually.
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I couldn't find anything anywhere online about this OTA that I got yesterday on my US996, no record of it ever existing. So I asked LG about it and this was their response. I haven't applied the update yet, but will update this post if I notice anything other than what LG stated. I will hold off for a while on installing it so if enough people want me to capture and share the OTA then I will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsD3pGv5cv8
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Obviously LG thinks that we don't need to know the details, just that LG has improved the usability and functionality of the phone, that's all we need to know. /s
From what I can tell, it's the same build of android, NRD90M, as before the update. So probably only has google supplied security patches.
As long as LG gives us US996 Unlocked users an Oreo update early next year, I'm OK with them not doing much with the original 7.0 firmware... but definitely security updates more than once per year would have been nice.
The "slower than" or "completely missing" compared to major carriers updates up until this one, has definitely been a disappointment since the factory unlocked version of the phone should be the easiest to get updates pushed out for.
Hey,. Is there something wrong or What,
I dont understand,. My Device is SM-986USQU1CTL2, their have been no software updates or security batches since December 2020. Anyone with infos
I would say you'd have to talk to your carrier, but maybe you can try submitting issue report on Samsung Members app as your fall back plan; attempt software update > immediately submit issue report on SM app.
I suggest you back up your device in case you have to flash with a latest software... flashing will delete all info in your phone so... backup backup backup
If it's running fast, stable and fulfilling its mission... leave it be.
You don't need no stinking updates.
Updates can break it especially major firmware updates. On my Note 10+ I'm still running happily on Pie. No updates in a year and a half. Zero issues... because I worked them all out. Don't add new problems when you have none.
The security vulnerabilities are just not a concern unless you do something stupid.
No saving dumb bunnies...
Always be fully backed up and ready for a factory reset at anytime though.
Pie and post Pie Androids rarely crash or get malware that requires a factory reset, but it can happen. Be prepared.
I just got an update on my motog stylus and haven't heard or seen anything about it. Was wondering if anyone knew about,
RPRS31.Q1-56-9-7 this is the updated version of my phone now. Any word or advise would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!! Is it just the security thing or just moving to Api 31?
My security Update is June 1, 2021.
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I just got an update on my motog stylus and haven't heard or seen anything about it. Was wondering if anyone knew about,
RPRS31.Q1-56-9-7 this is the updated version of my phone now. Any word or advise would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!! Is it just the security thing or just moving to Api 31?
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I just received the update as well. I'm installing now, going to re-root with magisk after update reboot.
I am currently looking at the a 21.40MB update called, rprs31.q1-56-9-7, that says 0 of 6, and supposedly includes Android security patches from August 1, 2021. I currently have it paused at 0% and is waiting for WiFi, despite having an unlimited data package, because I don't trust that it is what it claims. What network are you on? I am on Metro by TMobile. I googled the update version and first hit back was a verizon.com link, that apparently means this is their update, and if so, why the hell is it trying to force it's was onto my phone. (Backstory about my paranoia and anger, the past 6 weeks of my life have been nearly entirely consumed by phone crap, and 10 devices, including one Chromebook, and 9 phones, 3 of which I purchased brand new during this time, have all been infected with some sort of remote spyware hack, and I cannot get rid of the thing and have yet to be able to use any devices that doesn't quickly show signs it is also infected. It's a ****ing nightmare.) But yeah, I know my phone is hacked, and I have that on mine, and I am not a member of the provider that is claiming to be responsible for the update, so I'm disallowing it. If I were you I would freak the **** out right about now and see if you can remove it. Trust me that you don't want to end up where I'm at. Good luck.