Dear early adopters, I recently switched to Android 10 without any hassle. Root and TWRP have been contained after taking the necessary steps, already mentioned over and over.
The one thing I do not get however is why the app "System App Remover (root needed)" seems to be softbricking my device.
I am on the latest TWRP 3.3.1-65 by mauronofrio, Magisk beta 19.4. Everything is working fine, until I use the app mentioned above.
The apps I am deleting did not yet ever cause any problem at all getting deleted by this exact app so this seems to be app-specific.
Apps I am deleting e.g.:
Chrome
Netflix
Gmail
Google
Google Movies
Google Music
Google Books (or slightly different)
In general just some bloatware. Everything is working flawlessly until I reboot. I am then shown the typical safetynet screen for about 30 seconds and then taken to the fastboot screen, rendering the device useless-as-is. I did try deleting Netflix only as well with the same results.
The only thing reverting those steps is flashing the ROM in TWRP, flashing TWRP and magisk for obvious reasons and trying all over again.
I did try deleting the same apps in Titanium Backup. Deleting Netlix worked without any hickups it seemed. A reboot brought it back up again.
Google apps such as Chrome and Gmail are even getting me a nice "apk-file could not be found/located" message.
How do you guys get rid off those unwanted apps on Android 10 then? Am I missing something? I would appreciate a more technical explanation on the topic as to why things are the way they are if anyone of you guys experiences the same.
I had the same problem until I flashed Magisk Stable. Now no problem to remove system apps on android 10.
You can manually remove system apps using a file manager with root access. Go to system/app and delete the apks. If you mess up, just reflash the rom.
Yes with root file manager I was having the same problem with apps returning after reboot. Canary Magisk was the problem. After installing Magisk Stable all problems were gone. hope this helps someone.
I meanwhile flashed the 19.3 stable magisk. Seems like I had a broken instance of 19.3 on my device as well which caused the same bootloop as the beta. Thanks for the hint.
dtown808 said:
Yes with root file manager I was having the same problem with apps returning after reboot. Canary Magisk was the problem. After installing Magisk Stable all problems were gone. hope this helps someone.
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tropical cactus said:
You can manually remove system apps using a file manager with root access. Go to system/app and delete the apks. If you mess up, just reflash the rom.
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Yes, I know that is possible. Still I would prefer some more technical insight on the topic. Status quo at magisk 19.4 is that the apps can be deleted in "root remover"-apps and else, but show up again after a reboot.
Titanium still tells me the apks could not be found. What has been changed by switching to Android Q causing this to happen? After all it was still working fine that way in Pie.
why not disable them ? all this hassle
RfBob said:
Titanium still tells me the apks could not be found. What has been changed by switching to Android Q causing this to happen? After all it was still working fine that way in Pie.
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Take a look at this post
Toutatis_ said:
Take a look at this post
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Thank you a lot. This clears the fog. Exactly what I was looking for.
Yandvoiris said:
why not disable them ? all this hassle
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I don't like freezing/disabling apps instead of deleting them so this is a no-no. Probably more of a personal preference in attempt to keep the device relatively bloatware free.
It's the same with storage extension back in the days. Of course you could go for the 32gb version of the phone and expand by SD card. But I'd rather take the 64gb one and still be able to but not necessarily have to use the SD slot. You get the point, I guess.
Why not just use ADB to remove them? It works fine and is simple enough.
You can also boot in twrp. In mount option put check mark on System. Then in the advanced option use the file manager and navigate to system/system/product/app OR /priv-app. There are the google and other apps. Delete what you wish. when done, unmount system and reboot
There's a magisk modules I used to use on pie that worked flawlessly. Its called debloater or debloat. It removes system apps by using a terminal app by typing the command 'debloat', and its self explanatory from there. Also if there's any issue, you can reinstall the app right back the same way you uninstalled. Haven't tried on Android 10 just yet tho. Worth a try.
One other thing, I'm the same way, if I'm never going to use certain apps, I want them gone. However, phones these days that are coming with base model of 128gb and 8gb( like the one plus 7 pro) I'm not as worried as I used to be with removing the bloat.
P.s. im guessing by the apps you named you also have a 7pro, but I might be wrong. If you a Samsung device, there is the Package disabler app on the play store. And now, I guess they have a version for all Android devices and you don't need root. Here it is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.deviceowner
Good Luck
Debloat indeed does still work. I used it today on 10
Sheetzie03 said:
There's a magisk modules I used to use on pie that worked flawlessly. Its called debloater or debloat. It removes system apps by using a terminal app by typing the command 'debloat', and its self explanatory from there. Also if there's any issue, you can reinstall the app right back the same way you uninstalled. Haven't tried on Android 10 just yet tho. Worth a try.
One other thing, I'm the same way, if I'm never going to use certain apps, I want them gone. However, phones these days that are coming with base model of 128gb and 8gb( like the one plus 7 pro) I'm not as worried as I used to be with removing the bloat.
P.s. im guessing by the apps you named you also have a 7pro, but I might be wrong. If you a Samsung device, there is the Package disabler app on the play store. And now, I guess they have a version for all Android devices and you don't need root. Here it is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.deviceowner
Good Luck
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Well I don't know what happened me, but youtube (system app) was gone from my phone this morning for no apparent reason. Had to reinstall it from the store as just a normal user apk. Very strange
equlizer said:
Debloat indeed does still work. I used it today on 10
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Well here you go @RfBob confirmation from @equlizer that Debloat works on 10.
Good to know equlizer, I appreciate you jumping in and confirming this.
On pie, it was my go to, because it worked so well.
Neat little mod. And if you run into issues by uninstalling an app and the system goes haywire, because it has happen to me before where I was sure removing a certain system app would be fine, but it found out it was not, so you can easily reinstall the app the same you uninstalled it.
Take care.
Meanwhile I found some time to play around with the debloater terminal module.
Unfortunately most of the apps good to go are nowhere to be found. E.g. chrome, duo and else. I guess they should be located in vendor apps but they're not. Any suggestions?
I have not yet tried the adb method but guess it should work. For sake of simplicity I'd prefer the debloater module though as my devices are rooted anyway and reverting back to stock apps is no hassle.
RfBob said:
Meanwhile I found some time to play around with the debloater terminal module.
Unfortunately most of the apps good to go are nowhere to be found. E.g. chrome, duo and else. I guess they should be located in vendor apps but they're not. Any suggestions?
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Three of the first four choices you can search for apps you want to uninstall. The fourth choice you can insert yourself ie., /system/product/app or priv-app. That will give you more choices also.
jcsww said:
Why not just use ADB to remove them? It works fine and is simple enough.
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Indeed, if you are rooted, then a couple of basic linux commands will do.
You just have to remount the /system partition as writeable.
Code:
> adb shell
$ su
# mount -o rw,remount /system
# cd /system/app/
# rm -rf Netflix_Stub
# rm -rf xxx
# rm -rf yyy
# ...
# sync
# reboot
Above is example to remove the Netflix_Stub ...
If the above is like Chinese for you ... then stay away from it.
Yep, also usually prefer ADB...
foobar66 said:
Indeed, if you are rooted, then a couple of basic linux commands will do.
You just have to remount the /system partition as writeable.
Code:
> adb shell
$ su
# mount -o rw,remount /system
# cd /system/app/
# rm -rf Netflix_Stub
# rm -rf xxx
# rm -rf yyy
# ...
# sync
# reboot
Above is example to remove the Netflix_Stub ...
If the above is like Chinese for you ... then stay away from it.
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You cannot mount system as rw anymore on android 10, even if rooted.
Code:
flame:/ # mount -o rw,remount /system
mount: '/system' not in /proc/mounts
Code:
flame:/ # mount -o rw,remount /
'/dev/block/dm-4' is read-only
Worked using debloater, but...
Sheetzie03 said:
Well here you go @RfBob confirmation from @equlizer that Debloat works on 10.
Good to know equlizer, I appreciate you jumping in and confirming this.
On pie, it was my go to, because it worked so well.
Neat little mod. And if you run into issues by uninstalling an app and the system goes haywire, because it has happen to me before where I was sure removing a certain system app would be fine, but it found out it was not, so you can easily reinstall the app the same you uninstalled it.
Take care.
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I did follow the steps to remove youtube app from OOS 10 on One plus 6 and rebooted but it didn't completely remove it, instead it converted it to user app. I simply uninstalled it like a user app, did a reboot and then installed youtube vanced from Magisk. So far everything is working fine.
Related
Once you have achieved root (see other thread), to update the Superuser.apk to the latest version, run these commands:
Code:
adb shell
su
mount -o rw,remount -t ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk1p21 /system
rm /system/app/Superuser.apk
pm uninstall com.noshufou.android.su
Then search on the market for Superuser and download the one by ChainsDD. Confirmed working on latest Droid2 2.2 ota.
EDIT: To be safe, go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications and find Superuser. Then clear the data. This should prevent any of the Superuser issues discussed.
sorry..new to the whole android scene. are there any advantages to updating the superuser app the the latest version and can this command be input on the droid itself through the terminal app?
metman87 said:
sorry..new to the whole android scene. are there any advantages to updating the superuser app the the latest version and can this command be input on the droid itself through the terminal app?
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i like the interface much more and its got a new autoaccept after 10 seconds if you arent paying attention when the popup shows. it's up to you. i'm sure future root tools will just include it.
alright thanks. is it as simple as installing the new version and uninstalling the old? or does one need to enter the command prompts listed above?
metman87 said:
alright thanks. is it as simple as installing the new version and uninstalling the old? or does one need to enter the command prompts listed above?
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that is what the commands do. unfortuantely, the old version is on the system partiton. this means that we must first mount the system and read/write and then manually delete the old version ourself. then the new version can be easily downloaded through the market. anyways, adb shell means it's done via your computer so its very easy to copy and paste like 3 commands.
Instructions work perfectly... thanks!
I need Mac instructions
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I need Mac instructions
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These instructions are not specific to the OS on your computer, they work with anything.
Perfect!
Worked great! Thank you!
Instructions worked fine (I just made them up for Linux), but the newest SuperUser is giving me weird results. Every program that requests root access will ask me numerous times, like it never remembers that I gave the app access. Like removing one app with titanium will it will ask me 4 seperate times to accept or deny permission. Other apps do this also. Anyone have a copy of the old apk I could reinstall? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks
n0yd said:
Instructions worked fine (I just made them up for Linux), but the newest SuperUser is giving me weird results. Every program that requests root access will ask me numerous times, like it never remembers that I gave the app access. Like removing one app with titanium will it will ask me 4 seperate times to accept or deny permission. Other apps do this also. Anyone have a copy of the old apk I could reinstall? Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
Thanks
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I had the same thing happen to me. Launch the new superuser app and go to settings. Unselect and reselect Notifications. Apparently it shows it being checked, but you have to recheck it for the actual setting to get saved.
After I did this, it only asks once for a program, and then I never see it again.
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I had the same thing happen to me. Launch the new superuser app and go to settings. Unselect and reselect Notifications. Apparently it shows it being checked, but you have to recheck it for the actual setting to get saved.
After I did this, it only asks once for a program, and then I never see it again.
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Nice, thanks!
I had that issue too. I ironically un-installed superuser and re-installed it and it worked fine too
I used Root Explorer to delete the old Superuser.apk from /system/app. Then I rebooted and installed the new version from the market. Worked great.
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I used Root Explorer to delete the old Superuser.apk from /system/app. Then I rebooted and installed the new version from the market. Worked great.
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that works too though without having the superuser apk and rebooting, that could be a little dangerous for others hence my adb tutorial. no need for a restart either. could easily just use root explorer, delete the old, download new from market.
Worked great
I just renamed Superuser.apk to .bak then tried to install. Don't forget the last step. I had to adb (I was using terminal emulator) to do the last step then installed fine and removed Superuser.bak.
Thanks I like the New look.
yeah i can't get superuser from the market to install, keeps telling me unsuccessful
jerseyh22accord said:
yeah i can't get superuser from the market to install, keeps telling me unsuccessful
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I had the same problem. I rebooted my phone and then it installed fine. Not sure if it's risky to reboot once you remove the apk or not. However, it didn't cause any problems for me.
jmonte345 said:
I used Root Explorer to delete the old Superuser.apk from /system/app. Then I rebooted and installed the new version from the market. Worked great.
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I basically did the same thing except I renamed instead of deleting it. Well, once I installed SU from the market, I can't find the .apk file even though it's running and launching correctly. I assumed it would be called superuser.apk in the system/app folder but only my old renamed superuser.bak is there. I'm just worried if there is an update in the future, I won't be able to rename since I can't find the .apk file. Anyone know where the .apk file is for this new version of superuser?
facelessuser said:
I had the same thing happen to me. Launch the new superuser app and go to settings. Unselect and reselect Notifications. Apparently it shows it being checked, but you have to recheck it for the actual setting to get saved.
After I did this, it only asks once for a program, and then I never see it again.
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Tried this, and it didn't work for me. With Titanium Backup in particular, it will literally ask upwards of twenty times for permission. It's insanely annoying. Any other tips?
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Hi Everyone
Because I'm lazy and was tired re-rooting manually my devices after installing manufacturers OTA updates, I wrote an app that protects root in one touch event.
It is available for free on Android market and its source code is Open Source under WTFPL (github).
Translations and code contributions are welcome.
Features: :
- Backup root before OTA & Restores it right after.
- Temporary un-root your device.
Requirements:
- Device must be already rooted.
- Protection is effective only for devices with Ext2/Ext3/Ext4 /system partition
- Non ExtFS devices will still be able to use the temporary un-root feature
OTA RootKeeper will detect what's possible or not and display available options accordingly.
Typically works for: Nexus S, Every Honeycomb tablets.
On ExtFS partition, root survives anything but true formating or partition wiping.
It means some update tools like KIES/Odin for Samsung device will wipe the whole thing anyway because they write complete new partition.
I needed this app so I wrote it, hopefully it will be useful to you too!
Android 4.3 Notes:
Based on Android 4.3 release notes, on Enterprise and Security, Restrict Setuid from Android Apps, su binaries and Superuser apps designed for previous Android generation will simply not work on 4.3:
Restrict Setuid from Android Apps
The /system partition is now mounted nosuid for zygote-spawned processes, preventing Android applications from executing setuid programs. This reduces root attack surface and likelihood of potential security vulnerabilities.
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It means preserving root with OTA Root Keeper won't be possible anymore as new rooting techniques rely on more than just a setuid su binary in /system.
I'll look into solution of course to preserve the functionality if possible, but until then please follow Chainfire's job on SuperSU betas.
Aw, so its a no go on my sgs2..
Thanks for the amazing work as always anyways!
nanujra said:
Aw, so its a no go on my sgs2..
Thanks for the amazing work as always anyways!
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You're welcome
On Galaxy S II, temporary unroot is working and allows you to "hide" root from stupid apps refusing to work as expected after detecting root.
Its not really hidden but so far, those stupid apps (like Google movies) use stupid detection routines.
Supercurio. do you think you can backup Superuser.apk too please. I can see where it needs to be done in github but I'm no expert in compiling apk. or Will apkmanager work for that and i Will have a go at that.
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Supercurio. do you think you can backup Superuser.apk too please. I can see where it needs to be done in github but I'm no expert in compiling apk. or Will apkmanager work for that and i Will have a go at that.
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Why backup Superuser.apk?
If it's not installed, you already get automatically a button to access the market page automatically.
When you update your device via an OTA, Superuser.apk is not uninstalled.
Please describe your need
supercurio said:
Why backup Superuser.apk?
If it's not installed, you already get automatically a button to access the market page automatically.
When you update your device via an OTA, Superuser.apk is not uninstalled.
Please describe your need
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Thanks for replying.
Busybox because is part of xbin and could be lost.
superuser apk because that would be a full unroot and reroot in one app. E.g. If I want to unroot during work hours and reroot after say if work sync calendar app doesn't like root.
Or do you think this will be a nice way to cut my teeth on android development? I see two java code places that seem to backup and then restore.
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Thanks for replying.
Busybox because is part of xbin and could be lost.
superuser apk because that would be a full unroot and reroot in one app. E.g. If I want to unroot during work hours and reroot after say if work sync calendar app doesn't like root.
Or do you think this will be a nice way to cut my teeth on android development? I see two java code places that seem to backup and then restore.
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I never noticed an OTA that destroyed xbin directory? Do you have an example? (please show me the updater-script so I can study it)
Why I made this utility is because /system permissions are reset via recursive chmods during OTAs: what causes su binary to not be efficient anymore.
But saving files in not the main purpose. As long as you're rooted, you can re-install busybox in /system anyway.
Ah. I am thinking odin not ota
Ta
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Ah. I am thinking odin not ota
Ta
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With Odin the whole partition is wiped, I can't backup/restore root − and as a result restore busybox either because it would require root to do so.
Any reason not to backup su to /data instead of /system? I've tried this on a Bionic and it works just fine. I tried this:
adb shell
su
cp -p /system/bin/su /data/su
rm /system/bin/su /system/xbin/su
exit - reboot phone
adb shell
/data/su
I'm root.
Seems like /data has a better chance of being untouched and as long as it's mounted correctly that copy of su will be there and executable.
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Any reason not to backup su to /data instead of /system? I've tried this on a Bionic and it works just fine. I tried this:
adb shell
su
cp -p /system/bin/su /data/su
rm /system/bin/su /system/xbin/su
exit - reboot phone
adb shell
/data/su
I'm root.
Seems like /data has a better chance of being untouched and as long as it's mounted correctly that copy of su will be there and executable.
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Yes. Every Android device is supposed to mount /data with "nosuid" option, which makes su permissions inoperative.
The modded test device you used miss that; it's kind of a bug
thank you very much
as iran
Do you have to install this program after reverting to stock? Or can you install it in any custom rom before the OTA update?
matthskim said:
Do you have to install this program after reverting to stock? Or can you install it in any custom rom before the OTA update?
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You need to install this app, make the su backup before applying your OTA.
Then, the app will be able to restore su.
If it's an OTA, this app and Superuser apk will still be installed after applying it.
Do you need to revert to stock or not before applying an update? That I don't know; depends.
Wow, this may be the app I have been looking for. I have an app for work that will not work if it detects root. Really would like to keep my phone rooted as some apps I have require it, such as Titanium Backup (which I love). I am going to give this a shot tomorrow and see if this works for me.
you are a god send
Thanks a lot, great app, works on Asus TF101 !
Faher said:
Thanks a lot, great app, works on Asus TF101 !
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Hehe yes I saw there's an OTA for Transformer ATM
Thank you!
Playing Rented Movies that you rent from the Android Market WORK AROUND confirmed working!
Playing UltraViolet Digital Copy Movies in the Movies aka Flixster App WORK AROUND confirmed working!
pocket BLU WORK AROUND NOT confirmed working Yet! If you try it let me know
jangst123 said:
Thank you!
Playing Rented Movies that you rent from the Android Market WORK AROUND confirmed working!
Playing UltraViolet Digital Copy Movies in the Movies aka Flixster App WORK AROUND confirmed working!
pocket BLU WORK AROUND NOT confirmed working Yet! If you try it let me know
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Thanks for the feedback about the "plus" feature which is not the main aka temporary un-root
How to test pocket BLU?
Latest end-user Omnirom 4.4.2 for the LG P500 can be found here:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job.../archive/omni-4.4.2-20140214-p500-NIGHTLY.zip
I am starting this to stimulate interest in the Omnirom, get/give advice and help on how to get it working on our device. My hope is that one of the devs would take this over and move from a discussion to a dev thread if need be. I can really offer no help at this point as I have not yet gotten this installed and running.
Another reason to start this is to keep from less than courtiously cluttering other threads with this stuff.
Finally, cm-11 for our device is quite problematic so I seek another Kitkat chocolate treat
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Omni has two big problems holding up a working install on our device:
1. Omni is not rooted by default. I tried flashing a superuser.zip, still had no root. I have copied a full cm-11 su (binary) to the zip, tried that but installation was aborted for other reasons so could not yet test this approach. Please, devs, give us normal root in this ROM. Not so useful without it.
2. No adb until boot completed and I approve it. Great idea for security, but this thing is still experimental. So I cannot ride herd on the installation as I am accustomed nor run a certain script that I need from later cm10.* and cm11. As it turns out, Omni will run the script, cm11 would not. However, once I have attempted an Omni boot, I cannot get adb back outside of that successful boot until I restore another ROM! Means no adb reboot, adb reboot recovery, nada. Makes things very very problematic.
Omni will run my /data/local/userinit.d/ scripts which recent cm10.* and cm11 refuse. I always ran ICS this way, and I could presumably get a complete startup sans boot this way. To try this next--caution: Kitkat Link2sd mount script is not identical to previous ones so this must be placed to try this. Using the older version (maybe newer one as well!), everything simply FCs out, get nowhere. Link2sd needs root the create the script normally, Xposed needs root to get going, and Titanium and other tools are more useful with root as well. Lack of root is the main problem right now. Please ...
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The usual disclaimer: If you have rooted your device, the warantee is void. Of course, for this oldie but goodie, that is just a distant memory. However, these phones are still being sold so if you got a new one, be warned.
I can not be responsible for brickage and breakage. Especially without that always active adb umbillical, it is much easier to soft-brick the device and it can get hairy-scarey getting back to recovery. Again, be warned.
The recent JB and KitKat ROMs are too large for our devices and must be trimmed before installation. My philosophy is that anything not needed to get Android up and running does not belong on system. Practically, anything installable from Play or side-loadable as user apps should be removed from system/app. Examples are Calendar (install Play version), calculator, camera/gallery, browsers, emailers and such. There are superior choices on Play or side-load those included with the ROM. If using Google Search, also remove the quicksearchbox. system/usr/srec, system speech recognition config, can be pushed to sdext and symlinked from there, freeing a good few meg. You do not need a lot but do need a few meg free on system.
Link2sd or equivalant is needed to keep data space available. Things get flakey when data space gets too low. Gluttonous apps like the newer Swype and Tapatalk (just a few examples--great apps, do not get me wrong) will very quickly run you out of data space and gobble up too much RAM as well, slowing the works. Choose wisely
So here is my next trial:
BACKUP!
Make sure no old 11link2sd script is on /data/local/userinit.d/
Wiped dalvik-cache, restored the sdext from the backup since the CWM seems to wipe this as well.
Wiped cache partition (actually, no longer used for very much!).
Installed the omni nightly which formats /system and proceeds.
Installed the minimal GAPPSlight.zip.
Reboot.
Came up just fine. First asks to enable adb for this computer, said "yes," "always for this computer."
Adb now active and adb, in any event, adb does have root!
Went to link2sd. Cannot get root. Went through all the setup options (including root for apps and abd!). Still not root.
So copied a new 11link2sd to /data/local/userinit.d/
Power menu advanced reboot active in setting and it actually works, avoiding above-mentioned fears
Rebooted.
Bootup runs all my scripts so now have all the link2sd-linked apps.
I could call this a BUG: It neither re-asks the adb question nor places it online. So ... no more abd
Still no root -- tried to activate exposed which without root will not do anything.
Rebooted anyway.
Came up just fine, as before. No root, no Xposed, Still no abd.
Comments:
Otherwise, works just fine, seems responsive. If I were willing to live without root, I could go on with it as a daily driver. Next trial, I will not check "always for this computer." Maybe then it will re-ask me and so re-enable abd.
Shares with cm-11 the flash of a disabled homescreen before the lockscreen. Harmless (as long as it is very brief).
Shares with cm-11 the "upgrading ... restarting apps ..." message on each reboot. Harmless, as long as linked apps, dexes are not being unlinked. Did not check, but cm-11 was no longer do that with the newest link2sd version.
The screen begins to turn off much more quickly. In cm-11, this took a good few minutes, eating the battery as it went.
Background processes came up more quickly (subjective) than cm-11, even though some lacked root to function correctly.
Did not really check if it shares the dissappearing data space problem which for many is a showstopper in cm-11. Initial space seemed appropriate, not half of expected amount. Without adb, can be checked using the SLW storage widget. I should really have done this.
Root remains the main problem with this. Neither flashing a superuser nor placing a full cm-11 su on the ROM enable root. Someone know how?
Attempts at getting root:
The recommended way is to flash SuperSU's zip (available from their XDA thread, surprisingly, not from Play). Since flashing this has twice bricked me up, I am loath to try that once more.
First attempt was the create an init.d type script to start the su daemon. I had placed a Cm-11 su on the ROM's zip before flashing. Voile, manually running that script from adb got me root. The command on adb shell hung up but it had run. Link2sd made its mount script (of which I have my own copy so whatever ...), even accepting the previous approval!
So I placed it on /data/local/userinit.d/ with all my others. On reboot, daemon was indeed running. Tried to activate Xposed. Attempts hung up, then failed. Running superuser (installed from Play as user app, symlinked) would FC. Noticed that I had multiple incidences of the su running which might be indicative of something!
So went back to recovery, removed my script, and flashed the CMW superuser.zip. On reboot, daemon was running. However, any attempt to use superuser FC'd. Removed the apk from system/app, rebooted to regain use of my installed version. Same result.
This issue of root needs be properly resolved to use this ROM.
So back to recovery and cm-10.2 which meanwhile may well be the optimal ROM for this device!
BTW: If the always for this computer was not checked on giving adb permission, after reboot and after a while, the question will be re-asked and one can get adb once again which is good new, though a bit less convenient.
This omni ROM from my humble opinion is quite bizarre and funny. What's really the intention to release ROM that need rooted device to install it (need recovery so first device must be rooted), but then rooted apps didn't work since no SU installed .
Sorry omni devs and anyone. No offence. Just express my opinion.
I tried Superuser.apk and SU from xda but failed.
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Some things I'd like to ask/share
1. My play store isn't working. I've trimmed the ROM n installed gapps too n installed play services too. Bt when i open play store, it works fine. But i can only see spinner loading under 'My Apps' n when I install any app, it gives fc. Then i have to clear data to open it again. What to do? Is it something to do with dpi? Because I've changed the dpi.
2. How to change tiles? I can't get its settings.
3. Any other int2ext script working?
4. Screen record has a very low fps and after recording, the phone becomes unusable. Have to restart
5. I found this ROM more snappy than any other CM11. Thanks to performance controls. Its awesome!
6. Only if root worked, this would be the BEST KitKat ROM for our phone.
(I'm trying to fix it too)
This ROM can be used aa a daily driver if u don't use much apps and root isn't a big issue. Great work
:thumbup:
EDIT:
Link for root in Omni ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50863602
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Tried again to get root:
I can, in adb shell, su --daemon.
This gets me root for this session. Link2sd will create its mount script!
Rebooted. Thought that the root could be magically persistent as someone posted on some thread somewhere (did a lot of searching! and there were two instances the last time when I used a init.d script to do this). It was not so did su --daemon. Tried to use Xposed. Chugged a while, permission denied. CWM superuser's UI does not work on cm-11, not on this either. But it did not FC!
So I adb pushed SuperSU to system (I have enough room!). It wanted to install its binary. So I rebooted into recovery and flashed that.
On reboot, the su daemon was indeed running It has an 'R' instead of an 'S' on the column before its name. SuperSU also had a process running so thought hey, OK (and it did not brick the phone this time!). Tried to run Xposed. Simply sat there. Tried to run SuperSU, said it needed its binary and could not install it. Yuk! Never did like this app. On cm-10.2, even if CWM superuser wants a new binary, its UI will work anyway. Tried to run that. FC this time.
I never did check free data space.This after several successful reboots with no alarms about it. Overlayed the SLW widget onto link2sd and ran it. Only had 20meg. Fact is I had never ran link2sd to clean up dalvik and such so tried it now. Relink all apps simply chugged along. This can take time, even if it reports nothing to do! Finally lost patience with it but could not kill link2sd with back key (My fault? Options do not take effect until setting run, even if they were checked, it seems). Have to consider the possibility that the "disappearing data space" bug may be in this ROM as well as cm-11 (which, if so, would place it in the AOSP code!). No real way to check it without working root so everything plays.
Rebooted recovery, back to cm-10.2. BTW: the su daemon here has the 'S'.
rhar**** said:
Some things I'd like to ask/share
1. My play store isn't working. I've trimmed the ROM n installed gapps too n installed play services too. Bt when i open play store, it works fine. But i can only see spinner loading under 'My Apps' n when I install any app, it gives fc. Then i have to clear data to open it again. What to do? Is it something to do with dpi? Because I've changed the dpi.
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Don't know. I only change DPI using Xposed which has not been enabled yet
2. How to change tiles? I can't get its settings.
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I assume you mean those on the right-side pulldown. Have not found the interface either. Toggle to get that and enough of them are there.
3. Any other int2ext script working?
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Need root. I did get link2sd to create it mount script after su --daemon.
4. Screen record has a very low fps and after recording, the phone becomes unusable. Have to restart
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Never tried it. May also be DPI related?
5. I found this ROM more snappy than any other CM11. Thanks to performance controls. Its awesome!
6. Only if root worked, this would be the BEST KitKat ROM for our phone.
(I'm trying to fix it too)
This ROM can be used aa a daily driver if u don't use much apps and root isn't a big issue. Great work
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Yeah. Since I can get link2sd mounts either by running the daemon once or placing my copy, I have all my apps available (root ones will not be very happy). I used Xposed and need one round of root for this but that, as opposed to link2sd, did not work.
I have to admit that I do not know much about how su works. But the same su file is present in /system/xbin and is listed in file_contexts. SU.apk or supersu.apk have not been included in /system/app for at least cm10.1+.
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ibub said:
I have to admit that I do not know much about how su works. But the same su file is present in /system/xbin and is listed in file_contexts. SU.apk or supersu.apk have not been included in /system/app for at least cm10.1+.
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Is that su in /system/xbin is binary command to get root access on system file? You must run this command in terminal. However, Terminal.apk only can be launched if SU.apk or Superuser.apk present in /system/app.
So, in my opinion SU or Superuser is needed to run rooted apps (such as TB, Link2SD). Maybe Busybox is required too?
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ibub said:
I have to admit that I do not know much about how su works. But the same su file is present in /system/xbin and is listed in file_contexts. SU.apk or supersu.apk have not been included in /system/app for at least cm10.1+. :confused
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System/xbin/su is the binary. One included on the ROM is tiny, barebones (no root). I replaced it with one from cm-11. When it is working right, I believe this gives you the dialog: Allow-Deny, Now-10min-always and such. It also has a daemon mode which services root access. I have not gotten the dialog on the Omni after manually starting the daemon.
That daemon needs be started early-on. Even an init.d script may not be good enough (Omni has real init.d capability as opposed to cm-11!). There is a "persistant-root" item in cm-11's build.prop. Maybe this will work here too the with cm-11 binary?
The apk is a user installable app (or gets placed on system by flashing zip). This gives access to the application-by-application permissions granted or denied in the above dialog, enabling changing them. SuperSU offers the most alternatives but is the most ticklish. CWM superuser is simpler, less finicky but seems not to work on 4.4.*. This is part of the problem. On cm-11, I have root, have the above dialog, superuser does not FC but no UI. On the Omni, since root was achieve manually after-the-boot, more problematic.
There are other apks around, superuser-elite, paid versions, etc. They are not exclusive--I had three of them around until I removed them and kept CWM. Any one of them good on cm-11? Should!!! work here too, he-he. The apk is not necessary to service root (i.e. mine is link2sd-symlinked and before link2sd gets its root, no mount script so no app seen).
xu3sno said:
Is that su in /system/xbin is binary command to get root access on system file? You must run this command in terminal. However, Terminal.apk only can be launched if SU.apk or Superuser.apk present in /system/app.
So, in my opinion SU or Superuser is needed to run rooted apps (such as TB, Link2SD). Maybe Busybox is required too?
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Busybox is there, we do not have gnutls like normal distros--most everything goes through included busybox.
Terminal will work without the apk on /system/app. Cannot judge from the Omni because of no or incorrect root
I just learned a new set of tricks.
[email protected]:/ $ su -h
Usage: su [options] [--] [-] [LOGIN] [--] [args...]
Options:
-c, --command COMMAND pass COMMAND to the invoked shell
-h, --help display this help message and exit
-, -l, --login pretend the shell to be a login shell
-m, -p,
--preserve-environment do not change environment variables
-s, --shell SHELL use SHELL instead of the default /system/bin/sh
-v, --version display version number and exit
-V display version code and exit,
this is used almost exclusively by Superuser.apk
[email protected]:/ $
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ibub said:
I just learned a new set of tricks.
[email protected]:/ $ su -h
Usage: su [options] [--] [-] [LOGIN] [--] [args...]
Options:
-c, --command COMMAND pass COMMAND to the invoked shell
-h, --help display this help message and exit
-, -l, --login pretend the shell to be a login shell
-m, -p,
--preserve-environment do not change environment variables
-s, --shell SHELL use SHELL instead of the default /system/bin/sh
-v, --version display version number and exit
-V display version code and exit,
this is used almost exclusively by Superuser.apk
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Yes, this simply a root version of sh. The one on this ROM probably will not allow anything.
The one from cm-11 will check permissions, give the dialog to ask if root working correctly.
Latest build omni-4.4.2-20140227 is up, triggered by androidmeda :good:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job/omni/4/
Download here:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job/omni/4/artifact/archive/omni-4.4.2-20140227-p500-NIGHTLY.zip
Will try is that SU or Superuser included
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Just flashed it with clean install.
1. System reboot took under 3 minutes :good:
2. su binary exist at /system/xbin but not link to busybox binary which is present also at /system/xbin.
3. Installed Terminal.apk, it works but denied to run su command line
4. Installed Root Explorer.apk, works fine but failed to access root, such to change permission R/W of /system folder.
5. Referring to 3 and 4, apps need root access failed to work.
6. Tried to install SuperSU flashable zip, it replaced su binary from stock and it caused apps which is need root access (in my case gooim manager, root explorer, and Link2SD) not responded and apps're getting hang
7. Installed Superuser, launched it, works but need su binary.
Do we need latest SuperSU or Superuser, hence su binary is compatible with Android 4.4.2 ?. The installed one is for Android 2 and 3.
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Latest build omni-4.4.2-20140227 is up, triggered by androidmeda :good:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job/omni/4/
Download here:
http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/job/omni/4/artifact/archive/omni-4.4.2-20140227-p500-NIGHTLY.zip
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Do not know what has changed. There have been kernel merges, etc.
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2. su binary exist at /system/xbin but not link to busybox binary which is present also at /system/xbin.
3. Installed Terminal.apk, it works but denied to run su command line
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The /system/xbin/su included with this ROM is for no-root access allowed. A blocker.
I placed the su from a cm-11 ROM. This can run its daemon and get root access. Works for link2sd but nothing else (i.e. Xposed), apparently. According to some googled posts, that daemon must be started very early on (as I stated before). I had it in an init.d script. Started but had same negative results. May try the persist.sys.root_access=1 flag in build.prop. Maybe the internally buried code in boot.img will start the daemon as requested here (if it was not removed). There is no explicit script in the cm-11 ROMs to start that daemon.
i have got an idea. But where is the source?
is this the source?
If yes, then where is settings?
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Ok got it. Editing
rhar**** said:
i have got an idea. But where is the source?
is this the source?
If yes, then where is settings?
EDIT:
Ok got it. Editing
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Okay. Waiting for edited omni ROM (SuperSU included ?), as you did with cm-10.1.5-KITKAT-Update_3 :good:
Wish you luck
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rhar**** said:
i have got an idea. But where is the source?
is this the source?
If yes, then where is settings?
EDIT:
Ok got it. Editing
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Great. SuperSU itself is problematic but will suffer with it if it works. Would prefer generic like other ROMs.
Anyway, as in my OP, I would be looking for a dev to take this thread over as a dev thread (or open one).
Another OMNI build
Another Omni build is released @ Jenkins, triggered by Androidmeda.Can d'load it from : http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/view/All/job/omni-experimental/12/
sumansur2008 said:
Another Omni build is released @ Jenkins, triggered by Androidmeda.Can d'load it from : http://jenkins.androidarmv6.org/view/All/job/omni-experimental/12/
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Labeled for commits about boot animation.
Anyway, downloading.
I've got my shiny new Pixel 4 XL up and running on the stock ROM after coming from a worn out Note 8. Everything is better except the new version of GMaps. I was using 9.47.x and this new 10.x.x is just awful. I want to completely delete the stub from the system so I can install the older version. I've tried several root uninstallers, even using the adb shell command. It always "uninstalls" but the stub is still there. Therefore the older APK refuses to install. I've even gone into the root/product/app/maps folder to try manually. It doesn't work, nor does changing any permissions. I have a feeling someone is going to tell me that this can't be done without installing a custom rom.
I'm guessing the culprit is not being able to remount the system with read/write permissions on newer versions of android. Unless there's something I'm missing.
iBreakStuff said:
I've got my shiny new Pixel 4 XL up and running on the stock ROM after coming from a worn out Note 8. Everything is better except the new version of GMaps. I was using 9.47.x and this new 10.x.x is just awful. I want to completely delete the stub from the system so I can install the older version. I've tried several root uninstallers, even using the adb shell command. It always "uninstalls" but the stub is still there. Therefore the older APK refuses to install. I've even gone into the root/product/app/maps folder to try manually. It doesn't work, nor does changing any permissions. I have a feeling someone is going to tell me that this can't be done without installing a custom rom.
I'm guessing the culprit is not being able to remount the system with read/write permissions on newer versions of android. Unless there's something I'm missing.
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It may be having a conflict with cached data from the version that you installed, removing the cached data might allow you to install the version you want.
Uninstall the app from system partition, then, power the device off, then, boot into recovery and wipe the cache partition, then reboot into system and try installing the older version.
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Droidriven said:
Uninstall the app from system partition, then, power the device off, then, boot into recovery and wipe the cache partition, then reboot into system and try installing the older version.
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That is right where the issue is. I can get it to the point from being a 66mb APK down to 200k where the system; or play store, even recognizes it's installed. I need to get write access to the system partition to get rid of the "Maps" folder persistently living in the root apps folder. If that can be done on 10 in stock recovery then I've never done that. Mind you I'm rooted on Magisk with the flashed boot image, no TWRP yet.
iBreakStuff said:
That is right where the issue is. I can get it to the point from being a 66mb APK down to 200k where the system; or play store, even recognizes it's installed. I need to get write access to the system partition to get rid of the "Maps" folder persistently living in the root apps folder. If that can be done on 10 in stock recovery then I've never done that. Mind you I'm rooted on Magisk with the flashed boot image, no TWRP yet.
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After flashing the Magisk patched boot.img, did you install the Magisk Manager app? Magisk Manager is what is used to grant root permissions to your other apps. There is more to it than just flashing the boot.img.
You can also use adb shell to remove the app as demonstrated in the second method described in the link below.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root-android/
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Droidriven said:
After flashing the Magisk patched boot.img, did you install the Magisk Manager app? Magisk Manager is what is used to grant root permissions to your other apps. There is more to it than just flashing the boot.img.
You can also use adb shell to remove the app as demonstrated in the second method described in the link below.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root-android/
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So I tried what you suggested, I got the same result. Maps uninstalls but still lives in the root directory. Not being an ADB expert I went into adb shell super user mode and tried the the rm command to delete the folder, also the remount system command. Neither of those worked. Trying to install the older APK results in "App not installed"
And yes I have Magisk manager. It installed the latest version automatically. I use RootExplorer and it has superuser permissions.
Would something like this work? I'm not completely clear on how this works.
https://www.isrgrajan.com/how-to-copy-and-delete-files-in-android-using-recovery-mode.html
Hey guys,
I'm on OOS, rooted with TWRP and I want to uninstall Duo, Youtube Music, Drive and all this other pre-installed crap-apps.
TitaniumBackup does not work anymore (it fails to locate the apks when you click "uninstall") and the often quoted "uninstall system apps with adb"-method just removes the app from user space while it actually remains installed on the device in the root directory and keeps wasting space. So this method does not actually remove apps, it just sorta deactivates them in another way.
So, is there any known method to remove system apps?
Read up on how to use adb commands.. quite simple..
pm uninstall --user 0 package.name.example
You do need a laptop, it you don't have one this app is great... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.draco.ladb
lilbrat said:
Read up on how to use adb commands.. quite simple..
pm uninstall --user 0 package.name.example
You do need a laptop, it you don't have one this app is great... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.draco.ladb
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it is not for android 7 (i'm using android 7)
ai.Sanaul said:
it is not for android 7 (i'm using android 7)
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ADB still works .. or since your on 7 try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp.pro.
Wait you weren't the original poster... But since he has TWRP installed he could just use the file manager and delete the files from there..
lilbrat said:
ADB still works .. or since your on 7 try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp.pro.
Wait you weren't the original poster... But since he has TWRP installed he could just use the file manager and delete the files from there..
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and this is an alternative of Bloatware Remover app
but thanks for help i will try
lilbrat said:
Read up on how to use adb commands.. quite simple..
pm uninstall --user 0 package.name.example
You do need a laptop, it you don't have one this app is great... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.draco.ladb
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As I've already written.. It does NOT really actually remove the apps from the device:
How to uninstall carrier/OEM bloatware without root access
If you want to get rid of carrier/OEM apps from your phone, here's how you can uninstall bloatware from your device without root access!
www.xda-developers.com
[...] applications truly aren’t fully uninstalled from your device. They are just being uninstalled for the current user (user 0 is the default/main user of the phone). [...]
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lilbrat said:
ADB still works .. or since your on 7 try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp.pro.
Wait you weren't the original poster... But since he has TWRP installed he could just use the file manager and delete the files from there..
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Thanks, but according to my knowledge this cannot work either since the app does not require root access. And you cannot uninstall system apps without having root. It probably just follows an adb-like approach.
lilbrat said:
ADB still works .. or since your on 7 try this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp.pro.
Wait you weren't the original poster... But since he has TWRP installed he could just use the file manager and delete the files from there..
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That TWRP method sounds promising. Do you happen to know if all app related files are in one place or are they spread accross several folders?
haitower said:
That TWRP method sounds promising. Do you happen to know if all app related files are in one place or are they spread accross several folders?
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Now with all due respect, you asked for a suggestion on how to remove the apps, they were given to you, you used every reason why not to use them... Have you even tried the various methods or just "read" about them ? Trying out the methods given then verifying through TWRP file manager would be nice learning experience once you "read " up and tinker with TWRP's file manager and different file locations...
But please make a backup before you start and have necessary programs handy in case you remove the wrong file... as it can really ruin your day..
lilbrat said:
Now with all due respect, you asked for a suggestion on how to remove the apps, they were given to you, you used every reason why not to use them... Have you even tried the various methods or just "read" about them ? Trying out the methods given then verifying through TWRP file manager would be nice learning experience once you "read " up and tinker with TWRP's file manager and different file locations...
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It is simply NOT possible to uninstall system apps without root access. Thats why neither the adb method nor the other suggested app from questionable source can even work in theory. If it were otherwise, you would have found a major flaw in the android system, which, with all due respect, I doubt a tiny little bit.
You could also suggest to swim in a muddy pond for two days and look if this removed the system apps. But I hope you understand that I won't try that approach either because I prefer to not waste my time.
But thanks anyway for the TWRP idea, I'll look into that.
@haitower here's a Magisk module I use to remove a fair number of system apps. See the REPLACE variable in customize.sh
Use the magisk module "debloater". When you are done removing apps (don't really remove) just export the file. It will make text file in your storage. Then if you want to re-install any of the apps just reopen the app and import the file.
haitower said:
Hey guys,
I'm on OOS, rooted with TWRP and I want to uninstall Duo, Youtube Music, Drive and all this other pre-installed crap-apps.
TitaniumBackup does not work anymore (it fails to locate the apks when you click "uninstall") and the often quoted "uninstall system apps with adb"-method just removes the app from user space while it actually remains installed on the device in the root directory and keeps wasting space. So this method does not actually remove apps, it just sorta deactivates them in another way.
So, is there any known method to remove system apps?
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Maybe @BillGoss will help to clarify things a bit.
As far as i understand. On 8T (or better to say from Android 10 and latter) /system partition is read only and furthermore is located inside Super partition.
I suppose even with root access you will not be able to directly uninstall system apps without remounting /system/ as writable.
From Magisk manual we can learn that:
Since / is read-only on system-as-root devices, Magisk provides an overlay system to enable developers to replace files in rootdir or add new *.rc scripts. This feature is designed mostly for custom kernel developers.
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For each module, the folder $MODPATH/system will be recursively merged into the real /system; that is: existing files in the real system will be replaced by the one in modules’ system, and new files in modules’ system will be added to the real system.
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So as Magisk overlays modules /system folder to actual system with debloater module blank files android "thinks" those files specified in MODPATH/system don't exist.
Though a presume, in reality they are there.
So is magisk solutions really delete files from /system and not just "hide" them from Android?
haitower said:
Hey guys,
I'm on OOS, rooted with TWRP and I want to uninstall Duo, Youtube Music, Drive and all this other pre-installed crap-apps.
TitaniumBackup does not work anymore (it fails to locate the apks when you click "uninstall") and the often quoted "uninstall system apps with adb",method just removes the app from user space while it actually remains installed on the device in the root directory and keeps wasting space. So this method does not actually remove apps, it just sorta deactivates them in another way.
So, is there any known method to remove system apps?
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For Xiaomi phones, first install the “Hidden Settings for MIUI” app.
1. Open “Hidden Settings for MIUI.”
2. Go to “Manage applications” and find the application you want to disable.
3. Tap on the “Disable” button.
BillGoss said:
@haitower here's a Magisk module I use to remove a fair number of system apps. See the REPLACE variable in customize.sh
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Thank you, very reasonable and necessary.