Hey guys,
Do you know if google is going to update the camera to get more features (from pixel 4) like they did last year when they released night sight.
Did anyone dig into the leaked Camera 7.0 code?
Take a look here https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3a/themes/pixel-4-camera-app-leak-t3967439
They won't stop updating the camera app for other Pixels. There could be some P4 specific settings removed however.
What 4-specific features?
bblzd said:
They won't stop updating the camera app for other Pixels. There could be some P4 specific settings removed however.
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So far, 4-specific features haven't shown themselves. The astrophotography features, in fact, first appeared in the 3a's leaks; NightSight is markedly improved in this Camera app merely with the 3a's hardware (which makes it software - not hardware). Some features may be duplicable in software (in the 3a's case) as opposed to hardware (such as the 4, or even the 3); however, they ARE working on speeding up the software side of those as well (per several statements from Google itself). Since both my mother AND myself are driving Pixels (the original in her case - which is why I sometimes post in the original Pixel forums - since I support her as well) and she is pickier about photography than I am, I follow the Camera developments eagerly.
#teampixel #pixelfamily #SmartphoneSanity
Going by previous updates they would show up sometime after the Pixel 4's release. Likely giving the P4 a period of time where they are sold as exclusive features before trickling down to previous devices.
As it stands I'd be happy if they just fix the Top Shot mode as it seems to be outputting only 0.8mp snaps most of the time now. Performance fixes are great but not if they come at the expense of image quality which is what seems to be happening since the last official Camera update.
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I am completely disappointed with the camera app, it is a God damn joke of an app and wrote about it on Sony forum as well. I suggest you do the same if you are as disappointed as I am. I even consider returning the phone.
Sony thread where you can complain hoping it will make a difference : https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/m-p/1236129/highlight/false#M36584
For the benefit of future owners or prospecting owners, here are the issues I am unhappy with:
- no leveling indicator tool
- no histogram
- half press shutter button does not release the shutter for every press. If you do the first half press for focus, then you can release the shutter only once if the button is still half press. Completely defies the purpose of a dedicated shutter button if I cannot keep the focus locked and release as many times as I want. Every Camera in the world does that.
- no manual ISO and manual shutter speed at the same time? WHAT?? Are you stupid Sony? I WANT to use a TRIPOD and WANT FULL MANUAL CONTROL.
- shutter speed limited at 1s max, 1/10 for other camera apps
- every time I start the camera app it defaults to inteligent auto, instead of starting with latest mode used. If I used manual, I will most likely use manual again, don't default me because you want so
- on top of horrible jpeg cooking you DO NOT OFFER RAW SUPPORT. FFS Sony, you marketed the camera for photographers, you need to offer RAW support that is part of camera api2
- don't get me started with the distortion issue
As a daily a7r2 user, I was excited about your new sensor and tech, but as a first time xperia owner I am completely disappointed. Still in returning window period, I might go for a P10 plus or G6 for better cameras.
I know there will be no response and I don't care, I hope someone will at least read it.
Just return it and stop complaining.
Get an S8 or whatever.
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Just return it and stop complaining.
Get an S8 or whatever.
jaseman said:
Just return it and stop complaining.
Get an S8 or whatever.
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Just return it and stop complaining.
Get an S8 or whatever.
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What a toxic attitude. Everything the OP had said is a real problem that Sony has. For such an expensive phone, the camera is really lacking in options, and a bit in photos quality. RAW support especially should be a must for every flagship.
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I am completely disappointed with the camera app, it is a God damn joke of an app and wrote about it on Sony forum as well. I suggest you do the same if you are as disappointed as I am. I even consider returning the phone.
Sony thread where you can complain hoping it will make a difference : https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/m-p/1236129/highlight/false#M36584
For the benefit of future owners or prospecting owners, here are the issues I am unhappy with:
- no leveling indicator tool
- no histogram
- half press shutter button does not release the shutter for every press. If you do the first half press for focus, then you can release the shutter only once if the button is still half press. Completely defies the purpose of a dedicated shutter button if I cannot keep the focus locked and release as many times as I want. Every Camera in the world does that.
- no manual ISO and manual shutter speed at the same time? WHAT?? Are you stupid Sony? I WANT to use a TRIPOD and WANT FULL MANUAL CONTROL.
- shutter speed limited at 1s max, 1/10 for other camera apps
- every time I start the camera app it defaults to inteligent auto, instead of starting with latest mode used. If I used manual, I will most likely use manual again, don't default me because you want so
- on top of horrible jpeg cooking you DO NOT OFFER RAW SUPPORT. FFS Sony, you marketed the camera for photographers, you need to offer RAW support that is part of camera api2
- don't get me started with the distortion issue
As a daily a7r2 user, I was excited about your new sensor and tech, but as a first time xperia owner I am completely disappointed. Still in returning window period, I might go for a P10 plus or G6 for better cameras.
I know there will be no response and I don't care, I hope someone will at least read it.
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I have my own complaints regarding Sony but they don't rise to this level. The reason Sony doesn't implement these features is that you are probably the only person who buys a phone for serious photographic purposes. That is too small a market for them to change the software.
PS: have you tried footej or camera FV apps? Those combined with sony hardware should give you better results.
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I have my own complaints regarding Sony but they don't rise to this level. The reason Sony doesn't implement these features is that you are probably the only person who buys a phone for serious photographic purposes. That is too small a market for them to change the software.
PS: have you tried footej or camera FV apps? Those combined with sony hardware should give you better results.
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I agree the market is small, but at least they should try and stay competitive with other brands. If others offers something, they should do it to match the offerings.
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I have my own complaints regarding Sony but they don't rise to this level. The reason Sony doesn't implement these features is that you are probably the only person who buys a phone for serious photographic purposes. That is too small a market for them to change the software.
PS: have you tried footej or camera FV apps? Those combined with sony hardware should give you better results.
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No, I'm with him there. I used my G4 for extensive (!) photography. The hardware is extremely capable. As Sony promised "a full manual mode", I expected a full manual mode. Not a "chose one option, but not two or more...for...REASONS!!" manual mode.
Well, at least you get a picture, after rooting, i get everything green
Try to get another third party app
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Well, at least you get a picture, after rooting, i get everything green
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How come u didn't do the drm fix?
I've got myself a Samsung Galaxy S8+ (G955FD) about two weeks ago and this morning I had a camera blur issue.
Upon Googling I noticed that a lot of people out there have the same issue and a tap on the top (right corner) of the device fixes this.
(Supposedly switching to pro mode would fix it as well, but couldn't verify since the aforementioned solution fixed my issue, for now.)
What I also found out is that Samsung is shipping these phones with 2 different camera modules: Sony IMX333 or Samsung ISOCELL SLSI_S5K2L2_FIMC_IS (I'm focusing on the rear-facing camera, since that's where the issue is at).
According to a poll on this forum, most (+-63% as of now) people have the ISOCELL camera module.
What I'd like to research is whether there is a correlation between one of the modules and the camera blur issue.
So if you'd all be so kind to find out what sensor you've got (i.e. by downloading the AIDA64 app from the google play store and clicking on "Devices" in the app) and voting on this poll accordingly, it'd be much appreciated!
Update:
My previous Galaxy S8+ got stolen (24/02/18), bought a new one, the same seller, exact same model with the exact same camera module, and I haven't experienced the blur once. (knock on wood)
So, it would seem that some camera modules are just defect and need to be replaced. This is in accordance with what I've read from multiple users around the internet.
I was going to bring mine in for repair (to a Samsung experience center), but the phone got stolen before I could do so. If anyone does bring it in to get it fixed: let the other's know how that worked out for you!
Cheers
I personally have the exynos s8 with both Isocell cameras. I don't have any kind of blurr on the left upper corner, they are complete on the right upper corner in my pictures, basicly in any picture taken in automode.
But whats way worse is that damn focusblurr. If you try to make a picture from somethin smaller (some inches) from around 6-8 inches away you always get a top sharp center picture with completely blurred, undetailed sorroundings.
I own the S8 since 06/2017 and I tried a lot. Also it is not a defect, every s8 exynos is exactly the same (couldn't try a snapdragon so far). Came from the Honor 7 and this phone was able to perform way (way!) better in macro shots. And yes, it doesn't matter which mode your in with this issue.
Snap dragon, no blur nice pics
I should preface this post by saying I am the proud owner of the soon to be legendary Pixel 2 camera and have owned the Pixel 3 for almost 2 weeks now, but I think we should all just come right out and say it:
The Pixel 3's camera is just a tiny step back from the Pixel 2.
Don't get me wrong, it's still fantastic compared to just about any other mass market cell phone camera, but the post-processing choices that Google made with the P3 don't seem to take full advantage of the hardware.
The sensor and lens combination between the P2 and P3 are nearly identical in every way except for the P3 reportedly has a slightly newer sensor model with claimed better dynamic range. Yet, in shots with challenging lighting (which is where the entire Pixel line excels), the P3's processing chooses to boost contrast so much that it ends up crushing blacks and destroying details in the shadows, leaving us with a Samsung Galaxy S7-like result - with colors that pop and leave shadow detail behind.
It is obvious the P3 has better bokeh effects than the P2, but like all the other software features, that enhancement will likely come to the P2 if it hasn't already with the modded P3 Camera APK.
Anyway, my point is that everyone expected Google to have the obvious best camera with the Pixel 3 this year because the Pixel 2 was still kicking butt a year after launch. I just don't think much of the tech community has been willing to admit what our eyes are telling us... the Pixel 3's camera is great, but probably not the undisputed champ.
And that makes me a little sad after dropping so much $$$ on this device. It's still the only phone camera I would trust in point and shoot situations, but I'm tempted to keep the Pixel 2 in my bag on vacations just for the photos. And it's not just me. Android Headlines made a great video showing the P3's photography prowess and shortcomings.
I really just want to know if anyone else starting to feel this way as well? If so, and if we start making some noise about it, could Google actually listen and adjust the post-processing? They've listened to us complain about everything else on these phones (speaker buzz, ram management, photos not saving, etc), it's gotta be worth a shot, right?
It is literally the same camera - Sensor and All.
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I should preface this post by saying I am the proud owner of the soon to be legendary Pixel 2 camera and have owned the Pixel 3 for almost 2 weeks now, but I think we should all just come right out and say it:
The Pixel 3's camera is just a tiny step back from the Pixel 2.
Don't get me wrong, it's still fantastic compared to just about any other mass market cell phone camera, but the post-processing choices that Google made with the P3 don't seem to take full advantage of the hardware.
The sensor and lens combination between the P2 and P3 are nearly identical in every way except for the P3 reportedly has a slightly newer sensor model with claimed better dynamic range. Yet, in shots with challenging lighting (which is where the entire Pixel line excels), the P3's processing chooses to boost contrast so much that it ends up crushing blacks and destroying details in the shadows, leaving us with a Samsung Galaxy S7-like result - with colors that pop and leave shadow detail behind.
It is obvious the P3 has better bokeh effects than the P2, but like all the other software features, that enhancement will likely come to the P2 if it hasn't already with the modded P3 Camera APK.
Anyway, my point is that everyone expected Google to have the obvious best camera with the Pixel 3 this year because the Pixel 2 was still kicking butt a year after launch. I just don't think much of the tech community has been willing to admit what our eyes are telling us... the Pixel 3's camera is great, but probably not the undisputed champ.
And that makes me a little sad after dropping so much $$$ on this device. It's still the only phone camera I would trust in point and shoot situations, but I'm tempted to keep the Pixel 2 in my bag on vacations just for the photos. And it's not just me. Android Headlines made a great video showing the P3's photography prowess and shortcomings.
I really just want to know if anyone else starting to feel this way as well? If so, and if we start making some noise about it, could Google actually listen and adjust the post-processing? They've listened to us complain about everything else on these phones (speaker buzz, ram management, photos not saving, etc), it's gotta be worth a shot, right?
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Anandtech came out with their review and they say the camera performance is on par with Pixel 2 but produces slightly colder images. It's sad that Google is so complacent this year with the Pixel 3 hardware improvements.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13474/the-google-pixel-3-review
It seems incredibly likely that a software update will improve the camera in due course. Nothing to worry about
I have noticed that front facing camera on Pixel 2 produces slightly less noise and result in again slightly sharper image. Situation is different on the back. Shooting both side by side indoor with lights on, Pixel 3xl produces more true to life , brighter and more than slightly sharper image!
Hey, All...
I'm on the newest 9.5.7 on my 12/256 OP7P that I ordered direct from OP.
Although the updates are making the camera better, I still can't wrap my mind around how there can be such a detail and focus issue between photos and apps on the SAME device. To me, that means that it's software that is the issue, and not actually hardware quality...
Here's a comparison of two photos I took with the same conditions in the same distance in the same lighting. One is from the G cam app on my OnePlus 7 Pro and the other is from the stock camera on my OnePlus 7 Pro How can there be such a difference?
Needless to say, the photo that looks better and has much more detail is from the G cam app
To be totally transparent, I also have a Pixel 3XL that I use
Thanks for helping me understand!
Yay for black cats! I have one, too.
Anyhoo, if you're trying to understand the difference in quality between Google's software and OP's, I don't think it's fair. Google's software for their camera is the best on the market. Even the likes of Samsung haven't beaten them yet (for still images and night shots). Personally, I'm happy with the stock camera performance on this 7 Pro because I don't really demand the bleeding edge camera performance on a phone. Not to suggest that you require that, most of us just want usable pics to share online with each other.
Pixel 3a is $400 and has the second best camera (behind the regular Pixel 3) on the market. For some folks, the camera is the number one reason for choosing their phone. For me, it's like number 4 on my list. I didn't like the 6T performance because even for regular shots that I shared online, it was hot garbage. But they've made enough improvement to it on this 7 Pro to make day to day living and photo shooting fair enough. When I need just that much more quality (especially at low light), I just use the Gcam.
There is a lot of software voodoo going on to improve pictures. It isn't just capture the image, and there it is. Lots of processing goes on to take the raw data and convert it into an image.
Google has some smart people working there to have their code to some real good work.
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There is a lot of software voodoo going on to improve pictures. It isn't just capture the image, and there it is. Lots of processing goes on to take the raw data and convert it into an image.
Google has some smart people working there to have their code to some real good work.
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I wonder how good the actual hardware is on the pixel 3xl camera compared to the OP7P then, lol.
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I wonder how good the actual hardware is on the pixel 3xl camera compared to the OP7P then, lol.
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In my opinion, I don't think it's any better or worse tbh. The capability of the camera application is crucial.
Google put all their effort into taking the best "auto" photos it can conjure up. That's why there doesn't exist the ability to manually change it.
But that camera app is also designed specifically for that HW camera (whichever hw model Pixel it is).
Google just knows what they are doing in that dept.
stuff said:
There is a lot of software voodoo going on to improve pictures. It isn't just capture the image, and there it is. Lots of processing goes on to take the raw data and convert it into an image.
Google has some smart people working there to have their code to some real good work.
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stuff said:
In my opinion, I don't think it's any better or worse tbh. The capability of the camera application is crucial.
Google put all their effort into taking the best "auto" photos it can conjure up. That's why there doesn't exist the ability to manually change it.
But that camera app is also designed specifically for that HW camera (whichever hw model Pixel it is).
Google just knows what they are doing in that dept.
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So, this means, as soon as someone comes up with an amazing G cam port for our phone, we'll be sitting pretty just like everyone else.
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So, this means, as soon as someone comes up with an amazing G cam port for our phone, we'll be sitting pretty just like everyone else.
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Don't take my word 100% on it, but I believe that is the case.
So I was looking into a new phone I could buy new, had a headphone jack and telephoto lens, and maybe stereo speakers, and came across this phone.
I noticed that the Edge has weekly lineageOS builds too, so I was wondering how is the phone 2 years after release?
- Does performance degrade significantly when on ROMs?
- How is battery life?
- How's the camera, and is there a gcam apk that can use all the lenses?
- what features would I lose if ROM'd the device, and is their any ways to reinstall them or get mods (like thru magisk) to get them back?
For context, I'm coming from a Pixel 3a, and cross shopping with an S10/+/5g and an A72 (4g)
Old thread but for anyone else looking to buy in 2023, as it's cheaper than budget phones brand new:
- LineageOS is noticeably smoother than the stock ROM, whether that's actual performance or just animations is hard to say since it's Android 11 vs 13 (LOS 20.0), but I've never had any slowdowns at all really. Phone is very daily-able
- Battery is good, no problem lasting all day with moderate use; you'd have to try pretty hard to kill it all in 1 day.
- Camera goes back and forth between great and mediocre depending on what you're shooting. The 64MB lens is hit or miss; Wide-angle and macros are great, overall colors look close to RAW so not a lot of fake saturation which is either good or bad depending on what you want. I've only tried one Gcam on stock A11 and I'm pretty sure all the cameras worked, but that same build crashes on A13/LOS20. I haven't tried any others since Moto cam is fine for me.
- Lineage for this phone uses the stock Moto camera app & ports all Moto Actions such as flashlight chop/etc., so you really don't lose anything except edge display customization, but that's pretty easy to live without IMO.
I was trying to buy a new S20 and root it, but when the "brand new" one I ordered was updated past bootloader unlock eligibility, I went for one of these (saved $100-200) and I plan on using it for another 1-2 years, and then I think I'll keep it as a backup/music phone.
It's Achilles heel is definitely the screen, the green tint artifacts are truly terrible but only on certain shades of grey - and if you use substratum to make everything AMOLED black, you will never notice it (apart from when a video has those certain colors of grey).