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Hi All,
I'm reading that root can trip knox, having never owned a Galaxy since the S2 I'm not overly familiar with knox but I've read about what it does.
What is bothering me here is that there seems to be a suggestion that once knox is tripped, that's it. There's no way to untrip it even when flashing a stock factory image again via odin?
Firstly, is this correct?
I'm worried about resale value to the point that I might not care about mobile payments etc, but others might, so a tripped knox could affect value.
If the above is correct I might cancel my pre order, I need root but I don't want a phone that's got limited resale either.
TheBlueRaja said:
What is bothering me here is that there seems to be a suggestion that once knox is tripped, that's it. There's no way to untrip it even when flashing a stock factory image again via odin?
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Yes that is correct. Once the Knox flag is tripped you can not reverse it.
I don't think it has been confirmed yet that Knox flag breaks Samsung Pay. From what I have read it breaks software dependant on Knox security, ie the BYOD type apps. They use it as an indicator your device is insecure, so It seems reasonable to assume Pay would break too.
Damn it, What a stupid thing to do.
I can understand it being tripped if you are rooted, but to make it permanent if the situation is reverted is ridiculous.
Thanks for the info, I'll hold out a few more days to see what develops just in case, but I think I'm going to cancel my preorder as I need root but I also have to consider selling it on eventually.
Stupid, stupid decision. :crying:
TheBlueRaja said:
Thanks for the info, I'll hold out a few more days to see what develops just in case, but I think I'm going to cancel my preorder as I need root but I also have to consider selling it on eventually.
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hey, why do you need rooting your phone?
I thought the same way but now I'm going to use adaway with setting up proxy settings in my wifi and mobile apn connections.
The only thing I should need root for is Titanium Backup, but I think with Helium (by ClockworkMod) backups should be performed easily
eSportler said:
hey, why do you need rooting your phone?
I thought the same way but now I'm going to use adaway with setting up proxy settings in my wifi and mobile apn connections.
The only thing I should need root for is Titanium Backup, but I think with Helium (by ClockworkMod) backups should be performed easily
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Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
Look at it this way, I have a lovely PC for you - top of the line, fast as hell, lots of memory, premium price, but im going to install Windows 8 on there and a bunch of FREE apps , only im going prevent you from removing them, make sure you cant put Linux or Windows 7 or Windows 10 on there until i say so, prevent you from making any change to the Windows directory otherwise we'll stop you from buying things PERMANENTLY and void your warranty on the hardware so that you'll not be able to sell it on. EVEN IF you factory reset it with my software....
Its a shame as i REALLY wanted this phone, but it looks like it may not be for me unless something crops up with regard to KNOX and root.
TheBlueRaja said:
Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
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I'm absolutly with you.
For me it's not a problem because I'm using Facebook, Instagram and Skype. Didn't recognized that they're preinstalled... sry^^
Of course I prefer using the phone the way I want, but it's not as important to me as loosing the warranty. Sure this is quite stupid that Samsung wants to tell us how to use their phone.
If mobile payment will still works with triggered Knox, I'll definetivly root my S6 Edge and maybe try to slim down the stock Rom like I did with my Eragon Rom for the HTC One M7
eSportler said:
I'm absolutly with you.
For me it's not a problem because I'm using Facebook, Instagram and Skype. Didn't recognized that they're preinstalled... sry^^
Of course I prefer using the phone the way I want, but it's not as important to me as loosing the warranty. Sure this is quite stupid that Samsung wants to tell us how to use their phone.
If mobile payment will still works with triggered Knox, I'll definetivly root my S6 Edge and maybe try to slim down the stock Rom like I did with my Eragon Rom for the HTC One M7
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Yeah - its a shame - hopefully you can still use it, time will tell.
If root comes out without KNOX trigger i'll be all over this - might be too late for day 1 though - i suppose i'll just have to be patient and keep an eye on it.
In the mean time, i'll keep my preorder until the 5th or so then cancel unless something comes up - damn shame though - still i've got my HTC One m8 keeping me happy for now.
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
JuniorGG said:
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
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If you have root couldn't xposed just hook that call and return KNOX=True whenever queried? I've seen something similar in the past to make Google wallet work with root and without the secure element it required.
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JuniorGG said:
There hasn't been solution for KNOX for so long, that it's very hard to imagine that there will ever be one.
I hate KNOX so much, I don't think I will ever purchase another Samsung phone. This is not an absolute statement of course, however it is rather so.
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The thing is, Knox isn't just going to be a Samsung thing, after all its a Samsung and Google collaboration and i believe and it will end up spreading. To be honest, i've no objection and it think its a good idea - HOWEVER
I do think the real problem here is that IF the phone is returned to stock it should reset the KNOX flag back to being unset. Simple, everyone is happy.
If i choose to root then fair enough, trip knox as the phone isn't as secure as it should be - i don't expect to have root access or Admin privileges on my work PC normally and if i try to work round it there are logs to indicate that.
However, i DO expect to have it on my OWN computer and without the threat of the hardware being handicapped should i wish to sell it on, that's just wrong.
TheBlueRaja said:
The thing is, Knox isn't just going to be a Samsung thing, after all its a Samsung and Google collaboration and i believe and it will end up spreading. To be honest, i've no objection and it think its a good idea - HOWEVER
I do think the real problem here is that IF the phone is returned to stock it should reset the KNOX flag back to being unset. Simple, everyone is happy.
If i choose to root then fair enough, trip knox as the phone isn't as secure as it should be - i don't expect to have root access or Admin privileges on my work PC normally and if i try to work round it there are logs to indicate that.
However, i DO expect to have it on my OWN computer and without the threat of the hardware being handicapped should i wish to sell it on, that's just wrong.
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The problem, from a security perspective, is that there is currently no way to ensure that a phone returned to stock is secure.
Samsung decided from that point to just say once the phone is compromised... that's it. Certain features of Knox disable and, if it's your carrier's policy, the warranty may be void.
But let's be honest from that point as well. Rooting, in most contracts and terms of use, voids the warranty anyhow.
I think many have taken that for granted and don't realize that it can't be in a secure environment.
garwynn said:
The problem, from a security perspective, is that there is currently no way to ensure that a phone returned to stock is secure.
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Why? I don't see how a phone flashed with Odin using a ROM with a verified cryptographic signature cant be deemed secure? Check this - unset KNOX...
This is like saying that once i've installed Ubuntu on a "Windows" laptop it can no longer be deemed secure and while we are at it, lets fry a hardware fuse?
We are SOFTWARE rooting the phone here, not hardware hacking.
I'm actually curious as to the legality of it as well as they are disabling a part of your phone permanently and on purpose because i choose to run a different OS than the one supplied, but i'm no lawyer and there's probably a loophole or a law allowing it somewhere.
TheBlueRaja said:
Why? I don't see how a phone flashed with Odin using a ROM with a verified cryptographic signature cant be deemed secure? Check this - unset KNOX...
This is like saying that once i've installed Ubuntu on a "Windows" laptop it can no longer be deemed secure and while we are at it, lets fry a hardware fuse?
We are SOFTWARE rooting the phone here, not hardware hacking.
I'm actually curious as to the legality of it as well as they are disabling a part of your phone permanently and on purpose because i choose to run a different OS than the one supplied, but i'm no lawyer and there's probably a loophole or a law allowing it somewhere.
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What you may be doing is granting software access to root and you may only use root to modify things at a software level.
But you have to keep in mind that's not the only thing root access can do.
It's perfectly legal and I'll even wager they're part of the DoD specification that both they and Apple want to sell to the government.
You have to consider it from a worst case scenario. If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock... both at a hardware, firmware and software level?
Without physically inspecting the phone, they can't - which is why I think this is the way it is.
The Knox team put out a blog entry a while ago about this topic, noting it's a good balance between ensuring security and allowing non-business users to root the device if they want to.
One other note: I don't know enough about the Exynos devices past N2 to say if they've fixed it... but the Note 2's Knox flag was not an e-fuse and could be reset.
garwynn said:
What you may be doing is granting software access to root and you may only use root to modify things at a software level.
But you have to keep in mind that's not the only thing root access can do.
It's perfectly legal and I'll even wager they're part of the DoD specification that both they and Apple want to sell to the government.
You have to consider it from a worst case scenario. If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock... both at a hardware, firmware and software level?
Without physically inspecting the phone, they can't - which is why I think this is the way it is.
The Knox team put out a blog entry a while ago about this topic, noting it's a good balance between ensuring security and allowing non-business users to root the device if they want to.
One other note: I don't know enough about the Exynos devices past N2 to say if they've fixed it... but the Note 2's Knox flag was not an e-fuse and could be reset.
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Hmm..
Keep in mind here i'm not suggesting apps requiring KNOX are made available whilst rooted like Samsung pay etc, only that the KNOX bit is reset if the phone is flashed back to factory defaults using Samsungs own Odin program and a cryptographically signed firmware. If at that point the phone is rooted again, it would expect it to re-trip KNOX just like it did the first time.
But, lets play a game, lets say i gain root, KNOX bit set and i cant use KNOX apps. I then use that root to make modifications to firmware on the device somehow, which is what i think your insinuating above, not necessarily the Android System partition, maybe the modem firmware (even though its closed source) or something else, for whatever purpose.
IF you have that level of knowledge of the phones hardware then i don't think it would be too much of a stretch to suggest masking the KNOX bit as set would be too hard either, maybe by intercepting the system call to check its status etc but even then when you say:-
"If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock, both at a hardware, firmware and software level"
The firmware and software is taken care of by Odin, that does both, say we did modify the modem firmware above, Odin would write right over it with a VERIFIED image wouldn't it?
Whether you have root or not, you cant do anything about somebody hardware hacking, that's a whole different ball game, if you hacked the hardware you could just change to always respond as the KNOX bit not being set but that would be low level stuff way beyond what pretty much anyone here could do.
Would be interested in that blog post if you have a link - I just don't see this as anything more than a way to discourage more people from rooting.
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Hmm..
Keep in mind here i'm not suggesting apps requiring KNOX are made available whilst rooted like Samsung pay etc, only that the KNOX bit is reset if the phone is flashed back to factory defaults using Samsungs own Odin program and a cryptographically signed firmware. If at that point the phone is rooted again, it would expect it to re-trip KNOX just like it did the first time.
But, lets play a game, lets say i gain root, KNOX bit set and i cant use KNOX apps. I then use that root to make modifications to firmware on the device somehow, which is what i think your insinuating above, not necessarily the Android System partition, maybe the modem firmware (even though its closed source) or something else, for whatever purpose.
IF you have that level of knowledge of the phones hardware then i don't think it would be too much of a stretch to suggest masking the KNOX bit as set would be too hard either, maybe by intercepting the system call to check its status etc but even then when you say:-
"If a device has been modified in any way, how can they assure it's been reset 100% completely back to stock, both at a hardware, firmware and software level"
The firmware and software is taken care of by Odin, that does both, say we did modify the modem firmware above, Odin would write right over it with a VERIFIED image wouldn't it?
Whether you have root or not, you cant do anything about somebody hardware hacking, that's a whole different ball game, if you hacked the hardware you could just change to always respond as the KNOX bit not being set but that would be low level stuff way beyond what pretty much anyone here could do.
Would be interested in that blog post if you have a link - I just don't see this as anything more than a way to discourage more people from rooting.
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Blog entries:
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/samsung’s-official-response-“towelroot”
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
There are many, many more on the site, just use the search keyword root.
But that's the gist of it - they understand that some may want root for simpler reasons.
Others may want it for more nefarious ways, like trying to access the keys within the TPM.
The end result sucks for consumers; but as a IT admin I can tell you I wouldn't trust a device with sensitive corporate data if it has been rooted... ever.
Thanks very much, I'll take a look when I get a chance later.
Anyone have an idea which carriers enforce the Knox tripping for repair?
Although this looks like a great device, if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
Might as well buy a Note 4 exynos since apparently warranty is not valid in usa.
bjrmd said:
Anyone have an idea which carriers enforce the Knox tripping for repair?
Although this looks like a great device, if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
Might as well buy a Note 4 exynos since apparently warranty is not valid in usa.
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Technically the US has a law, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which should limit manufacturers voiding of warranties to that damage which can reasonably be blamed on the consumer. (for example, rooting your device shouldn't void the warranty for a defective power button) However, manufacturers usually claim the opposite here and I'm not aware of successful legal challenges.
Looks like sprint at least is ok with it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674884
TheBlueRaja said:
Its more than Adaway / Titanium backup, its removing Facebook, Instagram and Skype, which i don't use and or want, being able to run Xposed and root explorer so that i can use MY phone the way I want it without permanently affecting the resale value even if its returned to stock.
Look at it this way, I have a lovely PC for you - top of the line, fast as hell, lots of memory, premium price, but im going to install Windows 8 on there and a bunch of FREE apps , only im going prevent you from removing them, make sure you cant put Linux or Windows 7 or Windows 10 on there until i say so, prevent you from making any change to the Windows directory otherwise we'll stop you from buying things PERMANENTLY and void your warranty on the hardware so that you'll not be able to sell it on. EVEN IF you factory reset it with my software....
Its a shame as i REALLY wanted this phone, but it looks like it may not be for me unless something crops up with regard to KNOX and root.
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I agree. My last Samsung was a note 2 which knox wasn't a factor and not a big push then. I didn't got to any Samsung's after that due to knox.
I just want root for the reason's you do and edit the phone's density.
Its a shame that we cannot just flash back to stock and "close things up" per say if we want to sell it or have a non root related warranty issue.
Knox is mainly geared toward the business side , so why not make Knox activated by a Admin when the phone is to be used for business where the security is needed. And leave it un-activated for the rest of us.
And i would think the ratio of people rooting vs people not rooting (nor even knowing what it is) is so slim that allowing it wouldn't cause a pandemic in warranty claims.
I know before i root anything i make sure all my points are covered and there are processes in place to un-brick a device. Which i haven't had to unbrick a device since my Moto X or OG Droid.
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if the Knox trip invalidates warranty, you may be very angry if lets say the usb port or power button malfunctions and repair is not covered.
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I agree +1
Hello friends,
I'm in the same boat as many of you -- I purchased several Note 5's new from Verizon and then learned that they are not readily rootable....which prevents me from using their full functionality. Irritating.
I have a decent amount of experience with software development/reverse engineering/breaking things/making things work...but I've never messed around with phone firmware before. Usually I connect directly to the hardware chips via JTAG or similar to dump/upload the modified images. I don't really want to crack these sealed phones open though... surely there must be a way to dump/image the phone via the data port? I've read that Note 5 for other carriers are rootable, so how does dumping/uploading bins work for them? What is different about Verizon's model? Are they requiring digitally signed bins? Also I've seen a few people mention Knox....if Knox is tripped does it blow a fuse or can it be reset?
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Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.
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Nah it doesn't brick the phone! That's just to scare the crap out of people and make them not even want to risk it period!
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ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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Lol.. I was gonna say hmm, what should one do... HmMmm ... How about read around the the Verizon thread?! Because all those questions have already been answered!
ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of Verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def don't miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i've stuck with Verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, haven't had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who don't want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldn't hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.
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I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.
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I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.
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I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.
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Has anyone compared Package Disabler to Debloater?
Yeah, Package Disabler is the way to go (IMO). You don't need a computer as with Debloater. Don't get me wrong, Debloater is great, but it's nice being able to disable apps on the go. Not to mention, Package Disabler allows you to export your lists of disabled apps to an XML file, so you can simply import the list back if you need to (say, after a factory reset). Just my thoughts.
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So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.
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So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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It's not rooted yet. There is something in the works, but nothing yet. We haven't given up yet.
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good
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no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good
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What's a package disabler
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What's a package disabler
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it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device
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it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device
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Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone
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Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone
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there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from
TheMadScientist420 said:
there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from
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Thank you ill try it out
I soft bricked my Note 5 and then had problems flashing with ODIN. After I was able to flash though, the screen briefly showed an unlocked padlock. Is that typical? Is the bootloader rendered insecure when you upgrade for a brief window?
Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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just go to the guides subforum of a8 2018 and press on the thread that can help u flash twrp lol, all you gotta do is just follow the instructions word by word
WhenSuddenly said:
Ok more specifically I'm pretty used to the stock android experience (modded of course) but I read about that audio issue and I'm pretty terrified of it because music and calls are the main things I need a phone for. I've been out of the modded android loop since CM10 so I don't really know present day standards or processes for unlocking/rooting let alone standards for ROMs etc. Anyone got any advice?
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my words of advice would be to make sure that you need root before you root it. what i mean by that is think about what you stand to gain by rooting it vs the PITA it is to root this thing. Pay close attention to the 168 hour thing as its been a thorn in many a persons side and caused many a headache. Ive had dozens of android phones and all have been rooted with the exception of the HTC Rezound, which required the OMG PITA "wire trick" to root properly. These phones run very well as stock and dont have much bloatware, so rooting them is becoming less necessary. I got mine in july '18 and have been happy with its performance overall so far. Ive reflashed the stock tar.img a few times for varying reasons, and even rooted it. But after losing SPay capability with root, i flashed back to stock as the gains werent worth the losses to me. Also, SHealth is a task to get working after you trip knox btw.
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my words of advice would be to make sure that you need root before you root it. what i mean by that is think about what you stand to gain by rooting it vs the PITA it is to root this thing. Pay close attention to the 168 hour thing as its been a thorn in many a persons side and caused many a headache. Ive had dozens of android phones and all have been rooted with the exception of the HTC Rezound, which required the OMG PITA "wire trick" to root properly. These phones run very well as stock and dont have much bloatware, so rooting them is becoming less necessary. I got mine in july '18 and have been happy with its performance overall so far. Ive reflashed the stock tar.img a few times for varying reasons, and even rooted it. But after losing SPay capability with root, i flashed back to stock as the gains werent worth the losses to me. Also, SHealth is a task to get working after you trip knox btw.
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Yeah tbh I'm ok with the interface now and aside from making the volume buttons change tracks when you hold them down the only things id need root for is clearing out bloatware etc. I think I'll take your advice and not root it for now (until something breaks) but what is this 168 hour thing?
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Yeah tbh I'm ok with the interface now and aside from making the volume buttons change tracks when you hold them down the only things id need root for is clearing out bloatware etc. I think I'll take your advice and not root it for now (until something breaks) but what is this 168 hour thing?
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there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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Your wrong your suppose to keep phone on for 168 hours no reboots then oem should show up again.
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Your wrong your suppose to keep phone on for 168 hours no reboots then oem should show up again.
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youre*
and youre correct, i said it backwards.
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there has been a great deal of discussion about how to get the OEM unlock toggle to show up in the developer options, many suggest that its only obtainable by leaving the phone powered off for 168 hours and then rebooting, not connecting to any network (including cellular) and then enabling developer options and then the toggle should be there.
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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Hit the toggle and it'll ask for your pw, then you can flash a custom recovery via Odin
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So wait. My phone is showing the OEM unlock toggle and I can change it. Does that mean I can root? Or would trying to root then make me wait 168 hours? I never tried any custom stuff with it btw. Just bought and installed Lawnchair lol.
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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If his oem is showing and if he marks it and follow the directions he will be fine I have been rooted since day one of having it.
I never got locked out.
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If his oem is showing and if he marks it and follow the directions he will be fine I have been rooted since day one of having it.
I never got locked out.
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ill never trade my SPay on my watch for root
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be careful with starting down the root rabbit hole tho. if you flash anything in download mode, youll trip the knox security counter and that is 100% irreversible without sending it to samsung. Root is cool and allows you to do stuff, but honestly ive not found too much reason to root this phone yet. Ive literally had over 20 android phones and i rooted and modded all of them (except the rezound, if you want to know why that one wasnt fully rooted, just google "rezound wire trick" and youll see) and this one just really doesnt need root IMO. Sure it would be nice to have a few root things, but its not worth the trade off of losing samsung pay so i can pay for stuff with my watch. That feature is just waaaay too valuable to me
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Thanks for the advice,but this isn't my first rodeo with Samsung lol. I messed around with the Verizon S5 alot and was lucky to have the version able to unlock it's bootloader.
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Thanks for the advice,but this isn't my first rodeo with Samsung lol. I messed around with the Verizon S5 alot and was lucky to have the version able to unlock it's bootloader.
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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Will you stop telling people that you will mess up phone if you try to root it.
If people follow directions they have nothing to worry about.
You where bootloop not bricked a brick device is usually a unfix able.
If is fine you what to keep Sam pay but your info you are telling is wrong.
I recently unroot my phone guess what Sam pay work fine.
Then root phone again no lock out and enable treble and flashed gsi image.
So their nothing wrong with rooting if you want to do that.
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Will you stop telling people that you will mess up phone if you try to root it.
If people follow directions they have nothing to worry about.
You where bootloop not bricked a brick device is usually a unfix able.
If is fine you what to keep Sam pay but your info you are telling is wrong.
I recently unroot my phone guess what Sam pay work fine.
Then root phone again no lock out and enable treble and flashed gsi image.
So their nothing wrong with rooting if you want to do that.
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dude, i dont think youre reading what im saying right. Ive never said that rooting your phone will mess it up. the stuff about the G900V is a DIFFERENT PHONE. FFS. This isnt my first rodeo rooting and modding. Hell, i even was writing mods back in the Evo and S3 days. Im refamiliarizing myself with some of this, but i havent ever said youd mess your phone up if you follow the root instructions. Ill even go as far as saying as long as you dont Odin flash the tar.img for a completely different phone, these things are virtually impossible to hard brick. And yes, a bootloop is referred to as a soft brick. But, it is important to know that if you do root your phone, it WILL make samsung health not work as it did when stock and there is NO WAY of bringing it back without swapping the motherboard
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np, the G900V was a major disappointment with its locked bootloader. i recall spending several hours bricking one and having to restore it with the stock tar.img file. total PITA
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Unlocking the bootloader was completely dependent on the type of EMMC chip that the G900V that you had was using. I got three of those and only one was able to unlock after the Marshmallow update.
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Unlocking the bootloader was completely dependent on the type of EMMC chip that the G900V that you had was using. I got three of those and only one was able to unlock after the Marshmallow update.
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the last tinkering i did with the G900V was several years ago and that was at the point when all hope was lost on the locked bootloader. I havent looked into it since as the G900's i had were G900P's which were FAR easier to work with. I did also root and ROM a couple G900VL's, but again was years ago
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the last tinkering i did with the G900V was several years ago and that was at the point when all hope was lost on the locked bootloader. I havent looked into it since as the G900's i had were G900P's which were FAR easier to work with. I did also root and ROM a couple G900VL's, but again was years ago
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Good times. Anyways I'm not rooting for now. Waiting for Pie and see how it goes.
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Good times. Anyways I'm not rooting for now. Waiting for Pie and see how it goes.
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good times, yeah LOL!!! major waste of time on those friggin G900V's is more like it yeah, i wouldnt root yet, keep the stock recovery so it automagically updates to pie in a few weeks and manually check for updates every so often to force its hand. Also sammobile.com posts them too if you want to force it on via Odin and trip knox. Anyways, if you get the update in the near future, let us know!
Hi I've been rooting phones for over 10 years now but the past couple of devices I haven't due to it tripping knox etc but I miss a few things with root and looking for peoples opinions
I love having adaway and been able to fully uninstall apps I don't use
Is there much of an improvement on battery life as I have the exynos version :crying:
Also an app i haven't had chance to use is viper4android is it as good as people say and does it actually boot volume on bluetooth audio without distorting etc as that would be my main use for it
Also what exactly does tripping know destroy? I've read it affects Samsung pay and Samsung pass is there anything else
And has anyone had problems selling there device afterwards from tripping know (mainly in the uk) as I change devices quite a bit and sell them on lol
Thanks
You can use adguard if you don't want to root. I haven't bothered rooting anything for a few years now. It doesn't deliver any additional must have features i can't live without, unlike it used to.
Same boat, rooting for decades. Yet it seems a bit too immature this time on this device.
Also got the exynos junk (Iknew before getting it, but free phone from work).
I decided to go without for now.
Same here - decided to go on without root. The features I miss are - firewall (need to try knox firewall though), direct time sync (minor), some console commands to manage files, titanium backup - this is a major issue, so I can't backup OTP apps etc.
Don't root your device since that requires you unlocking bootloader to root and doing that triggers knock safety thing so it destroys knox permanently and then apps such as Samsung pay, samsung pass, secret folder, encryption and few more that requires knox to work will be unavailable, since knox chip is no longer functioning. Also warranty would be voided if you got 2 years warranty.
So if you plan to use samsung pay or any of other apps later on then avoid rooting and touching bootloader.
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Don't root your device since that requires you unlocking bootloader to root and doing that triggers knock safety thing so it destroys knox permanently and then apps such as Samsung pay, samsung pass, secret folder, encryption and few more that requires knox to work will be unavailable, since knox chip is no longer functioning. Also warranty would be voided if you got 2 years warranty.
So if you plan to use samsung pay or any of other apps later on then avoid rooting and touching bootloader.
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i dont know about usa and other countries, but in europe ur warranty won't be void if knox is tripped (afaik)
Still can't do without root unless there a way to block ads while using a vpn of my choice and control a firewall. Have my Note two days now after waiting 3 weeks for it to ship from Hong Kong and first thing I did was to root.
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i dont know about usa and other countries, but in europe ur warranty won't be void if knox is tripped (afaik)
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Well actually to get it tripped requires bootloader unlock for root and that would void your warranty in Europe. So id knox says 0x0 it also voids warranty
Only those that care about Samsung's proprietary Knox and it's associated bloat should worry about knox being tripped. Only thing I'd probably care about is 3rd party banking apps that might not work with patch hide. If that still works or not unsure.
rooting my n9860 asap. finally just got the oem option to show up. last phone i had was a note 8 not unlockable...and had to keep it for too long, wanting root the entire time. so i'm not missing the chance to do it now. why? to try custom rom, get all bloats/google/samsung apps off the phone and stop looking at system settings that i cannot change(top reason), learn about android / do some dev on it, test root apps made by community(2nd best reason), get a recovery installed, nethunter, call recording, toolbox, run my fav firewall. probably more reasons that im not thinking about right now
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rooting my n9860 asap. finally just got the oem option to show up. last phone i had was a note 8 not unlockable...and had to keep it for too long, wanting root the entire time. so i'm not missing the chance to do it now. why? to try custom rom, get all bloats/google/samsung apps off the phone and stop looking at system settings that i cannot change(top reason), learn about android / do some dev on it, test root apps made by community(2nd best reason), get a recovery installed, nethunter, call recording, toolbox, run my fav firewall. probably more reasons that im not thinking about right now
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im considering rooting my N9810, but im wondering if I will still receive OTA updates then? or do i have to manually flash the update with each ota?
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im considering rooting my N9810, but im wondering if I will still receive OTA updates then? or do i have to manually flash the update with each ota?
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You wont get OTA after rooting, since rooting requires you to unlock bootloader so then OTA won't work. Also KNOX won't function permanently once this is done too.
So think if you going to use samsung apps like samsung pay and such then avoid touching bootloader and rooting.
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rooting my n9860 asap. finally just got the oem option to show up. last phone i had was a note 8 not unlockable...and had to keep it for too long, wanting root the entire time. so i'm not missing the chance to do it now. why? to try custom rom, get all bloats/google/samsung apps off the phone and stop looking at system settings that i cannot change(top reason), learn about android / do some dev on it, test root apps made by community(2nd best reason), get a recovery installed, nethunter, call recording, toolbox, run my fav firewall. probably more reasons that im not thinking about right now
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Is one of them being able to tether (hot spot) without the carrier detecting it
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Is one of them being able to tether (hot spot) without the carrier detecting it
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I doubt it but I never tried it before tbh. I guess i should say that i might not be a good example to follow when it comes to updates. i almost never do them. because it always was a compromise one have to make if wanting to root. at least from my experience. like, keep your firmware version low or you loose the ability to root. but gain security patches. i chose my side of the fence long ago hehe
rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
Is that a question, a statement, or both?
I run stock Samsung's that are heavily optimized.
They run very well and even though the one is still running on Pie security is not an issue.
I spend very little time with maintenance and troubleshooting. The current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission.
What's not to like?
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Is that a question, a statement, or both?
I run stock Samsung's that are heavily optimized.
They run very well and even though the one is still running on Pie security is not an issue.
I spend very little time with maintenance and troubleshooting. The current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission.
What's not to like?
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put twrp, root device then if it gets stole see if u cant slp at nite. Twrp breaks encrypt on sam fones and after all these years still no way of encryp
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rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
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I root my phone to occasionally deal with discrepancies with just about any company that gives me problems. I do this via native call recording which as far as I am aware only works while rooted. Living in a one party consent state I don't even have to let the other party know I am doing so. To be honest though I can't really speak about root access on today's phones mine is a 2018. When I do choose my next phone I will definitely take the time to do my research and find an easy one that will do what I'm trying to do with it. Even if it is not going to the newest whatever phone. I find the benefit of having call recording far outways having the newest tech.
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put twrp, root device then if it gets stole see if u cant slp at nite. Twrp breaks encrypt on sam fones and after all these years still no way of encryp
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Physical possession is the only real security.
Anyone trying to steal my phone will bleed.
If I was you I be more concerned with data lose due to encryption. You are the one most likely to get locked out... and then you're boned. Especially if it's your last backup data drive.
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I root my phone to occasionally deal with discrepancies with just about any company that gives me problems. I do this via native call recording which as far as I am aware only works while rooted. Living in a one party consent state I don't even have to let the other party know I am doing so. To be honest though I can't really speak about root access on today's phones mine is a 2018. When I do choose my next phone I will definitely take the time to do my research and find an easy one that will do what I'm trying to do with it. Even if it is not going to the newest whatever phone. I find the benefit of having call recording far outways having the newest tech.
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i remember when call recording was slowly being tak
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Physical possession is the only real security.
Anyone trying to steal my phone will bleed.
If I was you I be more concerned with data lose due to encryption. You are the one most likely to get locked out... and then you're boned. Especially if it's your last backup data drive.
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iv had a few phones that encrypt with root and have never got locked out, always kept backups. But this was years back. Now that every things moved on it seems securing the fone is getting much harder with the manufacters constantly ****in things up. Like samsung never had bootloader, now they do, no knox, know they do etc and it gets harder. But yea your so rite, nothing beats Physical possession, the only prob ? the theifs think like that about other ppls phones to haaaa
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rooting android fones have become so useless and tiresome. Iv always had to have an encrypted fone for work purposes but root for fun. Nowadays its become rediculour to root. Bl unlockin, custom binaries. For years iv always had to spend weeks searching for guides to root and encrypt but recently these samsung phones with the locked bl is a pis take. No amount of security will take over someone who has pysical access to your fone but the data can be reset which is what im trying to do wo allow me to encrypt my fone. Fuk it no one on xd bothers replyin anyway
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That's the wrong question. The real quesion is: Why should anyone accept not being in full control of anything he paid a full price for?
Why leave the control to vendors who abuse it in their special interest, which mostly is against the user's favor?
The fact they are making it harder and harder is proof, that there's a lot to lose!
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That's the wrong question. The real quesion is: Why should anyone accept not being able to be in full control of any device that he paid a full price for?
Why leave the control to vendors who abuse it in their special interest, which mostly is against the user's favor?
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exactly ! But manufacterers no longer bother about customers and what they want. Its the wallet, once you pay they dont care.
Rooting gives you a higher level of control over your phone's internals. Usually, vendors hide most of the advanced optimization settings. These are exposed when you root your phone. Even without rooting, have a look at the settings screen of custom ROM's like Lineage and compare it with the stock setting screens, and you will see a number of 'extras' that help tweak your phone in ways the stock does not allow.