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Hi guys.
I unlocked my bootloader, and installed the Global Beta Rom via TWRP.
Now, that I am finishing that, TWRP is not installed anymore. And I can't install it.
When I boot into fastboot, and install TWRP like usual, everything is ok. No error appears. But when I want to boot into TWRP via key-combination, nothing happens. When I boot MiUi again, then reboot and try to boot into TWRP again, the Mi-Recoverymenue appears. But not TWRP. Can anyone help here?
After ROM package installed, boot and setup everythings you need, reboot to fastboot mode.
You must install TWRP again, then boot to TWRP by using command, same as the first time you install TWRP. Full commands:
1. fastboot devices.
2. fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
3. fastboot boot twrp.img
DungHD said:
After ROM package installed, boot and setup everythings you need, reboot to fastboot mode.
You must install TWRP again, then boot to TWRP by using command, same as the first time you install TWRP. Full commands:
1. fastboot devices.
2. fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
3. fastboot boot twrp.img
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Done that.
Device reboot, screen turns black. Then device reboot again, and MIUI will start.
After you install TWRP via fastboot command boot into TWRP via fastboot using the TWRP image on your computer. After TWRP comes up disconnect your phone from your computer, go into the TWRP reboot menu and select reboot into recovery. After you boot back into TWRP it should stick until you flash another ROM zip.
Same issue here.....please have a look at attached picture to see what I have done.
Even after a couple of minutes the screen remains black after trying to boot into TWRP.img with "fastboot boot twrp.img"
Is this a wrong command?
OK with rebooting the system is replacing TWRP, mens I need to go directly into TWRP without rebooting OS., but neither the command above nor ´"fastboot reboot" and simultaniously holding Vol+ and Power ware entering TWRP .....even more
Entering "fastboot reboot" afterwards, device is rebooting normally.
Would be great to explain how I can successfully get TWRP run.
Thx a lot!!
MIUI overwrites the recovery with each boot.
You'll have to get root access and adjust s few files (there is a guide somewhere here on xda) to get it to stay
flyingjack said:
Same issue here.....please have a look at attached picture to see what I have done.
Even after a couple of minutes the screen remains black after trying to boot into TWRP.img with "fastboot boot twrp.img"
Is this a wrong command?
OK with rebooting the system is replacing TWRP, mens I need to go directly into TWRP without rebooting OS., but neither the command above nor ´"fastboot reboot" and simultaniously holding Vol+ and Power ware entering TWRP .....even more
Entering "fastboot reboot" afterwards, device is rebooting normally.
Would be great to explain how I can successfully get TWRP run.
Thx a lot!!
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Did you download wrong .img file for polaris?
All versions has capacity more than 46 MB. Latest version is 46788 KB.
DungHD said:
Did you download wrong .img file for polaris?
All versions has capacity more than 46 MB. Latest version is 46788 KB.
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THx mate! actually I downloaded the wrong file. With the correct one evreythink is working fine!!!
I was running stock OOS with Android 8.1 with the normal TWRP and Magisk working. When the OOS 9 got out, I installed the full OTA through TWRP (dirty flash) and everything went perfectly, with no problems whatsoever, but I lost TWRP and Magisk, of course.
Now in Android 9 I can't seem to reinstall TWRP (I'm trying with the latest bluespark): I can boot TWRP from fastboot and install Magisk, everything is fine, Magisk works great. However, when I try to install the TWRP zip (through the fastboot loaded TWRP), the phone freezes at the bootloader warning and doesn't boot (and I have to reinstall the full OTA zip to get the phone working again). Or, some other times, it reboots always to the recovery and never to the OS. Any ideas on how to solve this? Thanks in advance.
What version of bluespark are you using ?? v2
Glsoto said:
What version of bluespark are you using ?? v2
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9.85v2
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
I also tried to fastboot boot blu_spark twrp V2 IMG.... This ended in a black screen. I used the latest official twrp without a problem on pie.
Glsoto said:
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
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Thanks! Did it in that exact order and now everything works. I was forgetting to reboot the recovery before installing Magisk.
don't flash magisk on the temporary TWRP
Hexyl said:
I also tried to fastboot boot blu_spark twrp V2 IMG.... This ended in a black screen. I used the latest official twrp without a problem on pie.
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Cuz of kernel panic. When you boot into twrp after fastboot command - unplag your cable from pc when the command is done, then disable mtp, connect to pc and re-enable mtp.
Dont forget to click thanks
And yeah, use blu spark's TWRP, not official one
Came here from google.
Glsoto said:
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
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This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
Alekcander said:
Came here from google.
This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
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Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
jasiorr said:
Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
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You need to Fastboot boot twrp. Img
jasiorr said:
Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
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yldlj said:
You need to Fastboot boot twrp. Img
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Alekcander said:
Came here from google.
This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
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I have the same problem as Alekcander
When I try to use command ,, fastboot boot twrp-xxx.img nothing happens. I mean mobile restart as always but there is only black screen and notification diode shine white ...
Also Alekcander method doesn't work:
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I tried official twrp and is the same , I tried to disconnect from usb when mobile is restarting also nothing ...
so again ... I have restored phone with msn download -> unlock bootloader...
i have this issue sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my OP6 doesn't boot to OS and give crash error
any other ideas ?
Solved I have to update system to more recently version. Why twrp doesn't work with oxygen is 5.1.5 ?
AIO GUIDE TECNO KD7
1. Bootloader Unlocking
1. Download & install the ADB driver
2.Enable devloper mode by taping on Build verson(setting->my phone) then enable Oem Unlock & usb debugging from (settings->System->Devloper option)
3.Now connect device & open ADB path & run cmd
command: ADB devices
then reboot to bootloader
command: ADB reboot bootloader
4. unlock bootloader
command: fastboot flashing unlock the phone will ask to confirm
5. now reboot to system
command:fastboot reboot
If you are stuck waiting for the device screen
2. TWRP [unoficial]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/twrp-recovery-for-tecno-kd7.4378493/
3. Orange state disabler:
Flashing guide & zip file
Click Wipe →Format Data → Yes → Press Enter.
Then Click Reboot → Recovery (Reboot to Recovery ).
After this, TWRP Recovery Mode will be installed on your phone
Link: Orange disabler.zip
4. Root
1.boot into recovery
2. Flash magisk .zip
llink:https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/releases/download/v21.0/Magisk-v21.0.zip
3.1. Unroot
1.boot into recovery
2. Flash magisk unistaller .zip
link:https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/releases/download/v21.0/Magisk-uninstaller-20201003.zip
5.Stock Firmware Files
Stock boot ,stock recovery & Full Firmware are added
To Flash full firmware
Extract zip & run flash.bat
Link: TECNO-SPARK-5-PRO-KD7-H6211FQRSTU-Q-GL-211101V404-fastboot flash full rom.zip
6. Gsi rom / Custom rom Installation guide:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/custom-rom-for-tecno-phone-dynamic-partition.4379341/
vendor : ( 3 sim problem guide )
TECNO-SPARK-5-PRO-KD7-H6211FQRSTU-Q-GL-211101V404
7. Phone Hard Brick fix
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/phone-soft-brick-phone-on-off-poblem-tecno-device.4378501/
7.1. Flash file:
Link :
TECNO-SPARK-5-PRO-KD7-H6211FQRSTU-Q-GL-211101V404
HIT THE THANKS BUTTON IF ABOVE INFORMATION IS HELPFUL TO YOU
Tecno kd7 full guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...r-unlocking-root-twrp-stock-firmware.4345557/
What do you mean by boot into recovery? Going fastboot mode? And then writing fastboot flash recovery magisk.zip( for step 3(root)) ?
Also should have the updatest kd7 before rooting?
Thanks in advance for your hard work.
Tanjin01: Thanks
Fast time twrp recovery install: (any bulid version)
[command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
fastboot reboot recovery
[command]
Now boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe option->Format Data -> yes Format.
Next, Reboot option -> recovery click Wait reboot recovery and flash magisk.zip
Any time root and unroot:
2.going to recovery
Open recovery and install magisk zip. /Magisk uninstall flash
Parvej789 said:
Tanjin01: Thanks
Fast time twrp recovery install: (any bulid version)
1.Fastboot flash recovery .
Fastboot reboot recovery -
Open recovery -wipe format data-yes.
reboot to recovery
and install magisk zip.
Any time root and unroot:
2.going to recovery
Open recovery and install magisk zip. /Magisk uninstall
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Thank a bunch for consist help with my nobby question(s)!
Correct me if i am wrong before i procced,
Fire up pc, open terminal/cmd and writing the following one after another
[Command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
[command]
Now i boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe data". Then "advanced wipe" with delvic cache.
Next, again, twrp recovery and flash magisk.zip
Right?
Tanzin01
[Command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
fastboot reboot recovery
[command]
Now i boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe ". Then "Format Data" with yes Format.
Next, Reboot to recovery .again, twrp recovery and flash magisk.zip
Right?
Thanks man. Have a nice day&life
hey man, all went well till format. in format i saw some error, eg failed to mount /data(something like this). Any idaea why i got this?
[i got a success msg though]]
also can i access twrp recovery mode via volume and power button?(i tried volume up+power button but got adnroid image with "No command".)
Command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
fastboot reboot recovery
[command]
Now boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe option ->Format Data -> yes Format .
Next,
Reboot options -> recovery click Wait reboot to recovery and magisk.zip flash
Parvej789 said:
Command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
fastboot reboot recovery
[command]
Now i boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe ". Then "Format Data" with yes Format.
Next,
Reboot options to recovery .again, twrp recovery and flash magisk.zip
Right?
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All the commands worked smoothly but when again tried to go twrp recovery for rooting, I can't seem to find twrp. I got no command with Android pic and after few seconds default device recovery option. From where I can navigate to fastboot, recovery, wipe and etc.
"
Next,
Reboot options to recovery .again, tw
Parvej789 said:
Next,
Reboot options to recovery .again, twrp recovery and flash magisk.zip
Right?
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Not sure what you mean by this. But tried
[Command]
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot reboot recovery
[Command]
Which took me to deafult recovery, no Twrp this time.
However I spent some time on xda and found this Command "fastboot boot twrp.img". Will try tomorrow again, will let you know if it worked! Man I'm probably bothering you!
Tanzin01 said:
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Next,
Reboot options to recovery .again, tw
Not sure what you mean by this. But tried
[Command]
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot reboot recovery
[Command]
Which took me to deafult recovery, no Twrp this time.
However I spent some time on xda and found this Command "fastboot boot twrp.img". Will try tomorrow again, will let you know if it worked! Man I'm probably bothering you!
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[command]
adb devices
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flashing unlock
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
fastboot flash vbmeta vbmeta.img
fastboot reboot recovery
[command]
Now boot into twrp recovery and from there "wipe option->Format Data -> yes Format and back home menu
Next, Reboot option -> recovery click Wait reboot recovery and flash magisk.zip
Unorganized posts! Its xda's fault. Your edited post wasn't shown to me until my last post was posted!
Thanks man. This time I got it. I wrongly rebooted after "format data". I will reflash the twrp file again tomorrow.
Hey, i got myself in trouble again! Everything was working fine till i clicked on "Erase data" from settings. Now i cant boot into sytem, always booting into twrp.Any help?
Should i try flashing android 11, the one you provided here?
Tanzin01 said:
Hey, i got myself in trouble again! Everything was working fine till i clicked on "Erase data" from settings. Now i cant boot into sytem, always booting into twrp.Any help?
Should i try flashing android 11, the one you provided here?
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Stock recovery.img flash and reboot
To make sure, i am donig as you described,
download stock firmware and get recovery.img.
now flash it: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Now reboot, right?
Btw cant i just flash andoid 11 altogether? (and thanks for your constant help
Tanzin01 said:
To make sure, i am donig as you described,
download stock firmware and get recovery.img.
now flash it: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Now reboot, right?
Btw cant i just flash andoid 11 altogether? (and thanks for your constant help :fashfashfashfash)
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Yes
Or
Full flash
KD7-H6211FQRSTU-Q-GL-210520V392.zip
drive.google.com
how to do full flash?
[command]
fastboot flash system FullFlashfirmware.zip
[command]
or
sideload the zip file and then swipe install via twrp?
No .
PC to mobile(fastboot flash)
Now connect device to PC
Unzip flash file PC
Folder open
Click flash.bat
CMD open:
1.Do you want to Reboot device into fastboot [Y/N]=y type enter
2.wipe user data [Y/N]=y type enter
Then flash started
FLASHING success
Reboot to phone on
sadly im not on windows. Anyway thnx. i will try and see flashing recovery. Will let you know the result.
Stock recovery.img flash and reboot options->system click.
Reboot to phone on
Parvej789 said:
Stock recovery.img flash and reboot options->system click.
Reboot to phone on
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got error
```
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Sending 'recovery' (39936 KB)
FAILED (Write to device failed (No such device))
fastboot: error: Command failed
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tried changing cable but no change.
Oky so i had a hunch, and it was correct. i mounted system and didnt get that error.
Thanks buddy. Took me few tries and combination. but now im back with my device. And as guessed, twrp was/is the culprit. It was locking the system or something like this, perhaps a glich? anyway had to mount system and already wrote the command on terminal, so as soon as phone screen turns on, i get to send the data from pc to phone before phone starts doing many of its stuff.
Wipe option->format data -yes
Reboot option-> recovery and Twrp open
1.boot.img flash
2.super.img flash
3.recovery.img flash
Than reboot
Tanzin01 said:
Thanks buddy. Took me few tries and combination. but now im back with my device. And as guessed, twrp was/is the culprit. It was locking the system or something like this, perhaps a glich? anyway had to mount system and already wrote the command on terminal, so as soon as phone screen turns on, i get to send the data from pc to phone before phone starts doing many of its stuff.
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Build version correct
Your build version
kk
kraken-gz said:
i managed to flash twrp via fastboot, with command:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
and then i applied:
fastboot boot recovery
and it booted into twrp (yay), but when i try to reboot it into system (or poweroff, and on), it boots into twrp. succesfully managed to replace stock recovery, but now i cant go into system. i got backup of system, but i don't know how to boot into system now.
phone is Allview Viva H801
I don't know how i can get into fastboot now via twrp. Is there way to communicate with twrp via PC. because twrp terminal , closes keyboard when i press key 'b', which makes it impossible to type any command (to get into fastboot )
can i fix this via twrp as i cant go into bootloader
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TWRP don't have reboot bootloader option!?
Re-flash Stock ROM.
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This TWRP works with Xiaomi 12
📌 [Shared] TWRP by skkk
⚡⚡A12/A13⚡⚡ ----------------------- BOOT VERSION Installation: Phone in fastboot mode Cmd: fastboot boot twrp.img or Power shell ./fastboot boot twrp.img then in Twrp go to Advanced -> flash current TWRP...
forum.xda-developers.com
Command to install:
1. boot your device in Fastboot mode
2. fastboot boot recovery_finename.img
This will temporary boot your device to TWRP
3. From TWRP go to Advanced and choose "Flash curent TWRP" - this will permanently install TWRP but will overwrite magisk scripts, so root will be lost.
4. Flash magisk from TWRP - this will fix root.
Thanks bro.
will this lost data or need to clear any caches after done installation TWRP?
you loose nothing and no caches to clear
geraldine said:
you loose nothing and no caches to clear
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Well noted that.
I've tried and success!
Thanks again!
3.8.4
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.8.4_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
update 3.9
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.9_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
What does "boot" or "REC" mean? I always thought twrp is just a one file?
REC it's for direct flash the recovery with "fastboot flash recovery.img" (doesn't work for me)
BOOT it's for boot to the recovery "fastboot boot recovery.img" to flash permently go to advanced and "flash current twrp" (work great)
geraldine said:
update 3.9
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.9_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
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Can I update from 3.8?
What is the changelog?
Yes, but you lose root. if there is.
double post, sorrry**
mmm, dont work for me, idk if im doing something wrong, when i put the command (fastboot boot recovery_name.img) it restarts, but the screen stays black and need the force the start.
I download this [BOOT]3.6.2_12-Mi12_v3.9_A12-cupid-skkk_632fca0d.img maybe im wrong with the version =/
darkevangelion said:
mmm, dont work for me, idk if im doing something wrong, when i put the command (fastboot boot recovery_name.img) it restarts, but the screen stays black and need the force the start.
I download this [BOOT]3.6.2_12-Mi12_v3.9_A12-cupid-skkk_632fca0d.img maybe im wrong with the version =/
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There is a newer:
Downloading • AKR DL
immerzu2 said:
There is a newer:
Downloading • AKR DL
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Thank you!! this version work, is it reccommended to make it permanent? i dont use root or magisk.
Hello. I have the latest TWRP installed on my Xiaomi 12. A friend of mine installed it. I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but the phone still won't boot into TWRP. I'm using ADB minimal and I renamed the downloaded file to twrp.img and put it in ADB minimal, then I used the command mentioned above, but still nothing happens, the phone won't enter TWRP. Once it enters TWRP, I use the command: "flash current twrp", I already know the next procedure. I welcome help. Thanks
Benoni1 said:
Hello. I have the latest TWRP installed on my Xiaomi 12. A friend of mine installed it. I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but the phone still won't boot into TWRP. I'm using ADB minimal and I renamed the downloaded file to twrp.img and put it in ADB minimal, then I used the command mentioned above, but still nothing happens, the phone won't enter TWRP. Once it enters TWRP, I use the command: "flash current twrp", I already know the next procedure. I welcome help. Thanks
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" I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me"
Check with"fastboot devices"CMD or "./fastboot devices"Powershell before
the phone must be in fastboot mode.
CMD=fastboot boot recovery twrp.img
Powershell=./fastboot boot recovery twrp.img
Then use the twrp
go to Advanced > Flash Current TWRP
The Twrp .img must be in the same folder as the command.
Possibly post the screenshot of the result of the command
Flash TWRP-I still can't do it, I'm sending pictures
Benoni1 said:
Flash TWRP-I still can't do it, I'm sending pictures
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Already said in the post above.
1/You wrote "fasboot" instead of fastboot.
2/Download SDK platform-tool extract the folder and put the twrp in it.
https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools
3/ use the command from the folder where the twrp is.
NOSS8 said:
Already said in the post above.
1/You wrote "fasboot" instead of fastboot.
2/Download SDK platform-tool extract the folder and put the twrp in it.
https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools
3/ use the command from the folder where the twrp is.
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Hello, I already know it was successful. Thank you for your help. Best regards, Josef
fastboot flash recovery xxx.img is not correct.
the command is: fastboot flash recovery_ab xxx.img
A question: why the twrp version jumped from from 3.x directly to 5.x?