Hi guys.
I unlocked my bootloader, and installed the Global Beta Rom via TWRP.
Now, that I am finishing that, TWRP is not installed anymore. And I can't install it.
When I boot into fastboot, and install TWRP like usual, everything is ok. No error appears. But when I want to boot into TWRP via key-combination, nothing happens. When I boot MiUi again, then reboot and try to boot into TWRP again, the Mi-Recoverymenue appears. But not TWRP. Can anyone help here?
After ROM package installed, boot and setup everythings you need, reboot to fastboot mode.
You must install TWRP again, then boot to TWRP by using command, same as the first time you install TWRP. Full commands:
1. fastboot devices.
2. fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
3. fastboot boot twrp.img
DungHD said:
After ROM package installed, boot and setup everythings you need, reboot to fastboot mode.
You must install TWRP again, then boot to TWRP by using command, same as the first time you install TWRP. Full commands:
1. fastboot devices.
2. fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
3. fastboot boot twrp.img
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Done that.
Device reboot, screen turns black. Then device reboot again, and MIUI will start.
After you install TWRP via fastboot command boot into TWRP via fastboot using the TWRP image on your computer. After TWRP comes up disconnect your phone from your computer, go into the TWRP reboot menu and select reboot into recovery. After you boot back into TWRP it should stick until you flash another ROM zip.
Same issue here.....please have a look at attached picture to see what I have done.
Even after a couple of minutes the screen remains black after trying to boot into TWRP.img with "fastboot boot twrp.img"
Is this a wrong command?
OK with rebooting the system is replacing TWRP, mens I need to go directly into TWRP without rebooting OS., but neither the command above nor ´"fastboot reboot" and simultaniously holding Vol+ and Power ware entering TWRP .....even more
Entering "fastboot reboot" afterwards, device is rebooting normally.
Would be great to explain how I can successfully get TWRP run.
Thx a lot!!
MIUI overwrites the recovery with each boot.
You'll have to get root access and adjust s few files (there is a guide somewhere here on xda) to get it to stay
flyingjack said:
Same issue here.....please have a look at attached picture to see what I have done.
Even after a couple of minutes the screen remains black after trying to boot into TWRP.img with "fastboot boot twrp.img"
Is this a wrong command?
OK with rebooting the system is replacing TWRP, mens I need to go directly into TWRP without rebooting OS., but neither the command above nor ´"fastboot reboot" and simultaniously holding Vol+ and Power ware entering TWRP .....even more
Entering "fastboot reboot" afterwards, device is rebooting normally.
Would be great to explain how I can successfully get TWRP run.
Thx a lot!!
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Did you download wrong .img file for polaris?
All versions has capacity more than 46 MB. Latest version is 46788 KB.
DungHD said:
Did you download wrong .img file for polaris?
All versions has capacity more than 46 MB. Latest version is 46788 KB.
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THx mate! actually I downloaded the wrong file. With the correct one evreythink is working fine!!!
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Im trying to flash either CWM or TWRP viea fastboot, i download the recovery, re name it to recovery ( recovery.img) place it in my C drive folder and then type fastboot flash recovery C:\recovery.img
however each time when entering recovery from the boot screen it ends with a dead android and an exclamation mark, what next?
Are you booting android before booting recovery
It's easier to put the image in the same location as fastboot so you just type
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
After classifying I've rebooted into android, then powered off and back to recovery, followed by recovery then the dead android.
That should read after flashing, not classifying.
2Pints said:
That should read after flashing, not classifying.
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Your on 5.0.1? I had the problem too what worked for me and I can't tell you why was to boot into twrp, flash supersu and then boot back into the bootloader and flash twrp
Fastboot boot twrp.img
Flash supersu, then
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
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I cant get to the TWRP bit
download twrp rename it to recovery
fastboot flash recovery C:\recovery.img
fastboot reboot
boot into bootloader, select recovery, phone reboots ( google splash screen) then dead android.
2Pints said:
I cant get to the TWRP bit
download twrp rename it to recovery
fastboot flash recovery C:\recovery.img
fastboot reboot
boot into bootloader, select recovery, phone reboots ( google splash screen) then dead android.
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Try opening a cmd window in the folder with your image and flashing, ( shift+right click) and boot straight into recovery, without restarting...
2Pints said:
I cant get to the TWRP bit
download twrp rename it to recovery
fastboot flash recovery C:\recovery.img
fastboot reboot
boot into bootloader, select recovery, phone reboots ( google splash screen) then dead android.
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Are you actually reading what we're posting? The post above yours tells you what to do so follow that and it should work
Its because of the install recovery shell script replacing recovery on first boot of android. You'll want to remove those scripts
Basically dont do "fastboot reboot". Just boot from bootloader directly into recovery, then using TWRP file manager, delete the scripts.
/system/recovery.init.boot.p
/system/bin/install-recovery.sh
rootSU said:
Its because of the install recovery shell script replacing recovery on first boot of android. You'll want to remove those scripts
Basically dont do "fastboot reboot". Just boot from bootloader directly into recovery, then using TWRP file manager, delete the scripts.
/system/recovery.init.boot.p
/system/bin/install-recovery.sh
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Exactly. Gosh, how hard can this be.
People don't read - if they did, they would know.
Android has been using this for a while now, to ensure stock recovery stays there.
a maguro wrote this.
whenever i try to go into recovery mode, it takes me to the default one even after i flashed twrp. my bootloader is unlocked and i flashed twrp several times. even when i use the command prompt from fastboot mode it still takes me to the default recovery. any ideas to what's wrong?
Asafbzm said:
whenever i try to go into recovery mode, it takes me to the default one even after i flashed twrp. my bootloader is unlocked and i flashed twrp several times. even when i use the command prompt from fastboot mode it still takes me to the default recovery. any ideas to what's wrong?
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This could be a solution or a workaround:
"Hello i just had a personal experience with my Asus zenfone selfie Z00T Stock recovery kept replacing TWRP. (Boot loader already unlocked)
This is how i got around it i downloaded the latest TWRP for my device and placed directly in minimal adb and fastboot app folder then i renamed it to recovery .
then i put my device in fastboot mode using the buttons on the phone and After i ran minimal adb and fastboot app as admin then i typed fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
once done i then i typed fastboot boot recovery.img. and my phone booted to twrp recovery then i selected reboot recovery directly on my phone and to finish reboot system (still in twrp) that's it.
(OEM commands to boot from fastboot to recovery do not work on some devices )
it only worked for me eventually because i downloaded the latest TWRP from the official TWRP website.
The idea is to flash the custom recovery and then booting from the custom recovery.img that you just used to flash (the one still on the pc) using minimal adb and fastboot app.
IT may not work on all devices as the commands may change from one device to another but the idea stays the same. (example for nexus fastboot -c "lge.kcal=0|0|0|x" boot recovery.img)
I hope this will help some people out."
sill not booting into twrp
Tiqqy said:
This could be a solution or a workaround:
"Hello i just had a personal experience with my Asus zenfone selfie Z00T Stock recovery kept replacing TWRP. (Boot loader already unlocked)
This is how i got around it i downloaded the latest TWRP for my device and placed directly in minimal adb and fastboot app folder then i renamed it to recovery .
then i put my device in fastboot mode using the buttons on the phone and After i ran minimal adb and fastboot app as admin then i typed fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
once done i then i typed fastboot boot recovery.img. and my phone booted to twrp recovery then i selected reboot recovery directly on my phone and to finish reboot system (still in twrp) that's it.
(OEM commands to boot from fastboot to recovery do not work on some devices )
it only worked for me eventually because i downloaded the latest TWRP from the official TWRP website.
The idea is to flash the custom recovery and then booting from the custom recovery.img that you just used to flash (the one still on the pc) using minimal adb and fastboot app.
IT may not work on all devices as the commands may change from one device to another but the idea stays the same. (example for nexus fastboot -c "lge.kcal=0|0|0|x" boot recovery.img)
I hope this will help some people out."
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i've just tried this but the 'fastboot boot recovery' command just turn the phone back on from fastboot. thanks anyways!
Tiqqy said:
This could be a solution or a workaround:
"Hello i just had a personal experience with my Asus zenfone selfie Z00T Stock recovery kept replacing TWRP. (Boot loader already unlocked)
This is how i got around it i downloaded the latest TWRP for my device and placed directly in minimal adb and fastboot app folder then i renamed it to recovery .
then i put my device in fastboot mode using the buttons on the phone and After i ran minimal adb and fastboot app as admin then i typed fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
once done i then i typed fastboot boot recovery.img. and my phone booted to twrp recovery then i selected reboot recovery directly on my phone and to finish reboot system (still in twrp) that's it.
(OEM commands to boot from fastboot to recovery do not work on some devices )
it only worked for me eventually because i downloaded the latest TWRP from the official TWRP website.
The idea is to flash the custom recovery and then booting from the custom recovery.img that you just used to flash (the one still on the pc) using minimal adb and fastboot app.
IT may not work on all devices as the commands may change from one device to another but the idea stays the same. (example for nexus fastboot -c "lge.kcal=0|0|0|x" boot recovery.img)
I hope this will help some people out."
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Work for me. Thanks buddy
This works, thumb up
Asafbzm said:
i've just tried this but the 'fastboot boot recovery' command just turn the phone back on from fastboot. thanks anyways!
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i have suffered with the same problem for hours until i decided to come here and look for related article , it actually worked and made me wonder that it wasn't that hard to fix it , i just rebooted fastboot and flashed twrp and in the end typed 'fastboot reboot recovery.img
that solved my suffering within 5 seconds. thank you for sharing the knowledge
Tiqqy said:
This could be a solution or a workaround:
"Hello i just had a personal experience with my Asus zenfone selfie Z00T Stock recovery kept replacing TWRP. (Boot loader already unlocked)
This is how i got around it i downloaded the latest TWRP for my device and placed directly in minimal adb and fastboot app folder then i renamed it to recovery .
then i put my device in fastboot mode using the buttons on the phone and After i ran minimal adb and fastboot app as admin then i typed fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
once done i then i typed fastboot boot recovery.img. and my phone booted to twrp recovery then i selected reboot recovery directly on my phone and to finish reboot system (still in twrp) that's it.
(OEM commands to boot from fastboot to recovery do not work on some devices )
it only worked for me eventually because i downloaded the latest TWRP from the official TWRP website.
The idea is to flash the custom recovery and then booting from the custom recovery.img that you just used to flash (the one still on the pc) using minimal adb and fastboot app.
IT may not work on all devices as the commands may change from one device to another but the idea stays the same. (example for nexus fastboot -c "lge.kcal=0|0|0|x" boot recovery.img)
I hope this will help some people out."
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I had the same issue on Poco F1 and this worked for me as well! Pleasant surprise. First result on google was this article and it worked, 2 minutes work.
Lamantin001 said:
I had the same issue on Poco F1 and this worked for me as well! Pleasant surprise. First result on google was this article and it worked, 2 minutes work.
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Okay, I was a bit too early with that. The next time I turned off the phone and tried booting to recovery (Vol up+pwr), I got booted into factory recovery (mi-recovery 3.0) :/
Lamantin001 said:
Okay, I was a bit too early with that. The next time I turned off the phone and tried booting to recovery (Vol up+pwr), I got booted into factory recovery (mi-recovery 3.0) :/
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Update:
I found the solution. I followed the steps in this article:
How can I keep MIUI from overwrite TWRP with stock recovery after a ROM flash?
I'm on fw Global 9.6.6.0. (Bought the phone 'bogus' unlocked with "fake" 9.6.4.0, bricked it while trying to restore chinese fw and re-lock bootloader using miflash - I'm not doing that again brought it back to life using the steps from...
forum.xda-developers.com
Asafbzm said:
whenever i try to go into recovery mode, it takes me to the default one even after i flashed twrp. my bootloader is unlocked and i flashed twrp several times. even when i use the command prompt from fastboot mode it still takes me to the default recovery. any ideas to what's wrong?
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Try this:
when you are in fastboot mode type:
Code:
fastboot boot recovery.img
This command will boot your phone to twrp. Install twrp .zip file (there are 2 options when installing .img or .zip)
after this go to ADB/Sideload - This is in Advanced section
Then swipe to start a sideload. Now on your pc type:
Code:
adb sideload recovery.zip
This worked for me. I hope this works for you too
I was running stock OOS with Android 8.1 with the normal TWRP and Magisk working. When the OOS 9 got out, I installed the full OTA through TWRP (dirty flash) and everything went perfectly, with no problems whatsoever, but I lost TWRP and Magisk, of course.
Now in Android 9 I can't seem to reinstall TWRP (I'm trying with the latest bluespark): I can boot TWRP from fastboot and install Magisk, everything is fine, Magisk works great. However, when I try to install the TWRP zip (through the fastboot loaded TWRP), the phone freezes at the bootloader warning and doesn't boot (and I have to reinstall the full OTA zip to get the phone working again). Or, some other times, it reboots always to the recovery and never to the OS. Any ideas on how to solve this? Thanks in advance.
What version of bluespark are you using ?? v2
Glsoto said:
What version of bluespark are you using ?? v2
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9.85v2
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
I also tried to fastboot boot blu_spark twrp V2 IMG.... This ended in a black screen. I used the latest official twrp without a problem on pie.
Glsoto said:
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
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Thanks! Did it in that exact order and now everything works. I was forgetting to reboot the recovery before installing Magisk.
don't flash magisk on the temporary TWRP
Hexyl said:
I also tried to fastboot boot blu_spark twrp V2 IMG.... This ended in a black screen. I used the latest official twrp without a problem on pie.
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Cuz of kernel panic. When you boot into twrp after fastboot command - unplag your cable from pc when the command is done, then disable mtp, connect to pc and re-enable mtp.
Dont forget to click thanks
And yeah, use blu spark's TWRP, not official one
Came here from google.
Glsoto said:
first fastboot boot twrp.img, the install twrp.zip , reboot recovery and then magisk..
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This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
Alekcander said:
Came here from google.
This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
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Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
jasiorr said:
Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
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You need to Fastboot boot twrp. Img
jasiorr said:
Hi
I have same problem ... after installing twrp i have black scream. twrp doesnt boot
I trying to use this method but cmd give me ]
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I have restored phone with msn download
OnePlus is again unlocked
I have this problem sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my op doesn't boot to OS with crash error
any ideas ?
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yldlj said:
You need to Fastboot boot twrp. Img
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Alekcander said:
Came here from google.
This procedure didn't work for me, for some reason "fastboot boot twrp.img" was leading to black screen.
What worked for me was
1) Boot to fastboot
2) fastboot flash twrpXXX.img
3) Without rebooting, select recovery from fastboot's bootloader menu
4) If you are able to boot in twrp this time, then flash blu spark twrp.
5) Reboot
6) Try to reboot in recovery as usual
If all worked well, you should see twrp recovery.
Cheers.
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I have the same problem as Alekcander
When I try to use command ,, fastboot boot twrp-xxx.img nothing happens. I mean mobile restart as always but there is only black screen and notification diode shine white ...
Also Alekcander method doesn't work:
C:\Android>fastboot flash twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img
unknown partition 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
error: cannot determine image filename for 'twrp-3.3.1-x_blu_spark_v9.101_op6.img'
I tried official twrp and is the same , I tried to disconnect from usb when mobile is restarting also nothing ...
so again ... I have restored phone with msn download -> unlock bootloader...
i have this issue sins i tried to install magisk and after reboot my OP6 doesn't boot to OS and give crash error
any other ideas ?
Solved I have to update system to more recently version. Why twrp doesn't work with oxygen is 5.1.5 ?
Hi,
I have the problem that I can no longer boot into the TWRP. I can enter the system and the Fastboot normally.
When I want to start TWRP I always see the TWRP picture for a few seconds and then black and it repeats itself.
Can I flash TWRP via Fastboot?
gave the command fastboot flash boot or recovery TWRP.img
Thanks for the help
Sgiro said:
Hi,
I have the problem that I can no longer boot into the TWRP. I can enter the system and the Fastboot normally.
When I want to start TWRP I always see the TWRP picture for a few seconds and then black and it repeats itself.
Can I flash TWRP via Fastboot?
gave the command fastboot flash boot or recovery TWRP.img
Thanks for the help
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I'm guessing your on OOS open beta 1 or 2?
TWRP not working is a known issue
Fastbooting TWRP won't work either. You will have to downgrade back to Android 10 to get TWRP working again
Ok thank you I didn't know that.
The downgrade worked.
Thanks again
This TWRP works with Xiaomi 12
📌 [Shared] TWRP by skkk
⚡⚡A12/A13⚡⚡ ----------------------- BOOT VERSION Installation: Phone in fastboot mode Cmd: fastboot boot twrp.img or Power shell ./fastboot boot twrp.img then in Twrp go to Advanced -> flash current TWRP...
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Command to install:
1. boot your device in Fastboot mode
2. fastboot boot recovery_finename.img
This will temporary boot your device to TWRP
3. From TWRP go to Advanced and choose "Flash curent TWRP" - this will permanently install TWRP but will overwrite magisk scripts, so root will be lost.
4. Flash magisk from TWRP - this will fix root.
Thanks bro.
will this lost data or need to clear any caches after done installation TWRP?
you loose nothing and no caches to clear
geraldine said:
you loose nothing and no caches to clear
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Well noted that.
I've tried and success!
Thanks again!
3.8.4
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.8.4_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
update 3.9
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.9_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
What does "boot" or "REC" mean? I always thought twrp is just a one file?
REC it's for direct flash the recovery with "fastboot flash recovery.img" (doesn't work for me)
BOOT it's for boot to the recovery "fastboot boot recovery.img" to flash permently go to advanced and "flash current twrp" (work great)
geraldine said:
update 3.9
skkk/TWRP/A12/v3.9_A12 • AKR DL
dl.akr-developers.com
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Can I update from 3.8?
What is the changelog?
Yes, but you lose root. if there is.
double post, sorrry**
mmm, dont work for me, idk if im doing something wrong, when i put the command (fastboot boot recovery_name.img) it restarts, but the screen stays black and need the force the start.
I download this [BOOT]3.6.2_12-Mi12_v3.9_A12-cupid-skkk_632fca0d.img maybe im wrong with the version =/
darkevangelion said:
mmm, dont work for me, idk if im doing something wrong, when i put the command (fastboot boot recovery_name.img) it restarts, but the screen stays black and need the force the start.
I download this [BOOT]3.6.2_12-Mi12_v3.9_A12-cupid-skkk_632fca0d.img maybe im wrong with the version =/
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There is a newer:
Downloading • AKR DL
immerzu2 said:
There is a newer:
Downloading • AKR DL
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Thank you!! this version work, is it reccommended to make it permanent? i dont use root or magisk.
Hello. I have the latest TWRP installed on my Xiaomi 12. A friend of mine installed it. I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but the phone still won't boot into TWRP. I'm using ADB minimal and I renamed the downloaded file to twrp.img and put it in ADB minimal, then I used the command mentioned above, but still nothing happens, the phone won't enter TWRP. Once it enters TWRP, I use the command: "flash current twrp", I already know the next procedure. I welcome help. Thanks
Benoni1 said:
Hello. I have the latest TWRP installed on my Xiaomi 12. A friend of mine installed it. I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but the phone still won't boot into TWRP. I'm using ADB minimal and I renamed the downloaded file to twrp.img and put it in ADB minimal, then I used the command mentioned above, but still nothing happens, the phone won't enter TWRP. Once it enters TWRP, I use the command: "flash current twrp", I already know the next procedure. I welcome help. Thanks
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" I would like to learn it, but the command "fasboot boot twrp.img" doesn't work for me"
Check with"fastboot devices"CMD or "./fastboot devices"Powershell before
the phone must be in fastboot mode.
CMD=fastboot boot recovery twrp.img
Powershell=./fastboot boot recovery twrp.img
Then use the twrp
go to Advanced > Flash Current TWRP
The Twrp .img must be in the same folder as the command.
Possibly post the screenshot of the result of the command
Flash TWRP-I still can't do it, I'm sending pictures
Benoni1 said:
Flash TWRP-I still can't do it, I'm sending pictures
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Already said in the post above.
1/You wrote "fasboot" instead of fastboot.
2/Download SDK platform-tool extract the folder and put the twrp in it.
https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools
3/ use the command from the folder where the twrp is.
NOSS8 said:
Already said in the post above.
1/You wrote "fasboot" instead of fastboot.
2/Download SDK platform-tool extract the folder and put the twrp in it.
https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools
3/ use the command from the folder where the twrp is.
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Hello, I already know it was successful. Thank you for your help. Best regards, Josef
fastboot flash recovery xxx.img is not correct.
the command is: fastboot flash recovery_ab xxx.img
A question: why the twrp version jumped from from 3.x directly to 5.x?