Just out of curiosity of how many of us here downgraded from Oreo to Nougat.
I just downgraded last night from N to O after running it for about a month or so and to be honest the Bluetooth unstable connection on Oreo was just getting out of hand, plus I felt like the device was slower and battery life is a little worse?
Might be me but I felt Nougat was the sweet spot for this device. I tried resetting my phone a few times and nothing got me satisfied with the update. In fact just last night I was out of town, I had to use Google Maps to get around and I had music playing, 5 mins later went to check my phone and it crashed! Yes this is the first time I have ever experienced this phone crashed and restarted out of almost the year I've owned this device. Also the system notifications were getting quite annoying but that's very minuscule. Not downing on Oreo but I believe Huawei could've done a better job with this update, truly disappointed, got back at 3am and got back to Nougat and haven't looked back since, at least until some good comes out of Oreo.
Did you downgraded from Oreo to Nougat?
If so, what are your reasons and why?
XERO_Racer said:
Just out of curiosity of how many of us here downgraded from Oreo to Nougat.
I just downgraded last night from N to O after running it for about a month or so and to be honest the Bluetooth unstable connection on Oreo was just getting out of hand, plus I felt like the device was slower and battery life is a little worse?
Might be me but I felt Nougat was the sweet spot for this device. I tried resetting my phone a few times and nothing got me satisfied with the update. In fact just last night I was out of town, I had to use Google Maps to get around and I had music playing, 5 mins later went to check my phone and it crashed! Yes this is the first time I have ever experienced this phone crashed and restarted out of almost the year I've owned this device. Also the system notifications were getting quite annoying but that's very minuscule. Not downing on Oreo but I believe Huawei could've done a better job with this update, truly disappointed, got back at 3am and got back to Nougat and haven't looked back since, at least until some good comes out of Oreo.
Did you downgraded from Oreo to Nougat?
If so, what are your reasons and why?
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Downgraded cause I missed Xposed framework, then updated and decided to give it a real go, playing asphalt 8, and the game gets slow, then crashes the phone completely, resulting in a restart, not sure if it's the game though or the phone, **** never happened on nougat though, procrastinating about going back to it, cause it was cool.
I did downgrade to Nougat because i felt that with Oreo my phone got a little slower, xposed of course, media volume steps that i couldn't increase on Oreo.
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Downgraded cause I missed Xposed framework, then updated and decided to give it a real go, playing asphalt 8, and the game gets slow, then crashes the phone completely, resulting in a restart, not sure if it's the game though or the phone, **** never happened on nougat though, procrastinating about going back to it, cause it was cool.
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For a few weeks it was an off and on debate to go back to Nougat till yesterday finally happened, no regrets either
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I did downgrade to Nougat because i felt that with Oreo my phone got a little slower, xposed of course, media volume steps that i couldn't increase on Oreo.
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Yeah I had the impression the phone felt much slower with Oreo
Same here, Nougat seems to be best fitted - snappy, fast fingerprint, background services friendly. Only incall volume steps could be doubled (like in Oreo).
I've downgraded twice now. (it is much easier I found to downgrade to nougat in order to rebrand the device). Also, since you can use hisuite to downgrade (not on all firmwares but most, it makes it so easy). I have also used Firmware Finder to downgrade and has worked for me too. As for experience wise thus far, I have still upgraded and gone back to oreo. Like some of the added features.
UPDATE: Official Pie now rolling out on Korean variants (F800K/L/S)
Good news LG V20 owners, it looks like your handset will receive Android 9.0 Pie in the not too distant future after all. While the South Korean company pushed the roll-out of Pie to its successor from Q2 to Q3, there is promise of the V20 receiving its last OS update this quarter with LG reportedly testing a beta build internally.
The LG V20 has had a checkered history of OS updates. The first smartphone to ship with Android 7.0 Nougat has only received one major OS update, with it still being stuck on Android 8.0 Oreo. It took LG until October last year to roll-out Oreo to some V20 variants like the H990DS, with the company then announcing it planned on ending software support the device.
LG subseuently u-turned and promised to deliver Android 9.0 Pie in Q3 2019. The V35 and V40 ThinQ have since received Pie, with the roll-out for the V30 slipping from Q2 to Q3. Beta builds for the V30 and G6 have now appeared online, demonstrating that LG is actively testing Pie for these devices, with people being able to flash these early builds to their handsets if they are feeling brave.
My LG Phones reports that LG is doing the same with the V20, specifically for the South Korean model (F800L). The beta build, called LGF800LAT-V27b-IOT-KR-JUL-08-2019+0, is unavailable to download though, with My LG Phones claiming that it is "not fully optimized". Naturally, this comes as no surprise considering that it is a beta build.
Unfortunately, there is still no word on when LG plans to release a stable Android 9.0 Pie build for the V20 this quarter. While we cannot verify the claims of My LG Phones, the website is often accurate and one of the first to report on LG issuing software updates for its smartphones. Expect LG to stagger the roll-out of Android Pie 9.0 though, with South Korean devices likely receiving the OS update a few weeks or months sooner than other variants. Still, it is promising to hear that LG is actively testing Android 9.0 Pie for the V20, seemingly alongside the V30 and G6. Fingers crossed, V20 owners!
Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Android-9-0-Pie-is-on-the-horizon-for-the-LG-V20.427936.0.html
I'll believe it when i see it.. i'm still on stock 8.0.0... I have added a 4000Mah battery so i can last 2 days with everything on now but still on 8.0.0
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I'll believe it when i see it.. i'm still on stock 8.0.0... I have added a 4000Mah battery so i can last 2 days with everything on now but still on 8.0.0
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Same...
But there was a leaked beta pie firmware that is currently for the Korean variant, and it's ongoing
So there's still a big chance to receive one
And if there isn't well at least we have LOS 16 as our option for pie
After having run my v20 stock for years I took the plunge and went lineage 16. The difference between stock and lineage is night and day. While it's great for people unable or unwilling to go the custom rom path, I don't intend to go back to the bloated mess that is "stock" on my H918
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After having run my v20 stock for years I took the plunge and went lineage 16. The difference between stock and lineage is night and day. While it's great for people unable or unwilling to go the custom rom path, I don't intend to go back to the bloated mess that is "stock" on my H918
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Lineage is so boring imo. no stock camera and I'm also not sure if the DAC is working properly.. Was on lineage two hours and immediately flashed back the stock Rom. But I have to admit that the LG is only my second device now. But this time I didn't flash a custom kernel and no root. Just stock.. It is so much better now. But S9+ is my daily driver now.
That's the beauty of Android we can have the same device and completely different experiences... Now if there was a miui Rom to play with I would be trying that out.
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Lineage is so boring imo. no stock camera and I'm also not sure if the DAC is working properly.. Was on lineage two hours and immediately flashed back the stock Rom. But I have to admit that the LG is only my second device now. But this time I didn't flash a custom kernel and no root. Just stock.. It is so much better now. But S9+ is my daily driver now.
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The DAC works on LOS as long as you flash Gamma kernel, although I've heard it's enabled in the stock kernel. I use Gamma + V4A and it's amazing.
My experience with Lineage... or rather Resurrection Remix has been less then stellar. I'm considering going back to stock and then upgrading to Oreo, if it's usable. I'm just worried of getting stuck there if the LG firmware turns out to suck (which wouldn't surprise me...).
I've been able to use several other phones a couple of months at a time, and they have all been much better experiences than I've had with LG, custom ROM or not.
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My experience with Lineage... or rather Resurrection Remix has been less then stellar. I'm considering going back to stock and then upgrading to Oreo, if it's usable. I'm just worried of getting stuck there if the LG firmware turns out to suck (which wouldn't surprise me...).
I've been able to use several other phones a couple of months at a time, and they have all been much better experiences than I've had with LG, custom ROM or not.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I was considering moving to RR because of the lagginess and battery inefficiency of stock Oreo, but was wary of the bad second screen utilization and the lack of the LG cam. When you say your experience with RR was less than stellar, what all do you have in mind?
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I was considering moving to RR because of the lagginess and battery inefficiency of stock Oreo, but was wary of the bad second screen utilization and the lack of the LG cam. When you say your experience with RR was less than stellar, what all do you have in mind?
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Ok... so I was mostly on Android 8 based Resurrection Remix. It was laggy as hell, but... out of nowhere. Like it would be smooth one second and then completely collapse the other. So bad, that unlocking the screen became impossible. Or I could turn on the screen, but it wouldn't react to any input. Taking photos, especially with Gcam, was nearly impossible. It might save the photo, or not. It might take a photo if you press the button, or not. It might take it relatively immediately or it could take up to 10 seconds. Or well, not happen at all. Sometimes you could take a photo, then close the app completely, then take the next photo. Rinse repeat. The behavior was completely random and unreliable, with decent sized crashes along the way. Charging the phone via USB (and some chargers/cables) was impossible, because doing so would drain the battery more than not being plugged in. Sometimes the phone would turn into a space heater for no apparent reason. Second screen support wasn't really worth it either IMHO, because the implementation wasn't as polished as on the stock firmware (mind you I never got past 7).
I'm now on the latest RR (as Lineage just wouldn't boot from a fresh install), and it's... sort of better? The second screen is now just the regular screen, with the left corner being treated as a supersized notch. That's a great use of the space, though I wish on video players it would try to avoid the notch as much as possible. It won't... it's centered. But that's a Google thing. Oh yeah, and Waipu, which I use for TV, won't run properly. Some stations work, some stations (the ones I expect to put more security measures in place) don't.
It ran smooth for the first few hours. Now it has turned into a laggy nightmare again. Well, sometimes. Sometimes it's also smooth and performs as good as you can expect a Snapdragon 820 to perform (which isn't too bad!). But other times... Part of the lag seems to be the notification system, which is currently running amok as I have imported my old SMS and it is keen on showing me every single one of them (to be fair, my last phone, the HUAWEI P30 Pro, did the same after every reboot and it just would not stop). As soon as I put the phone on DND, it seems to perform significantly better.
This is the depressing part. It has decent hardware, I mean, I just got an AnTuTu score of (though the screen froze during a loading screen). This should still be a decent mid range phone. But it behaves like a giant heap of junk. Like a phone that was outdated 10 years ago.
Coming from the P30 Pro, this thing is nothing but frustrating. And while it wasn't so much at the start, it really is now.
I might imagine that the memory is damaged. As in some memory cells behave badly and take a while to read. When it does, the phone essentially locks up.
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Ok... so I was mostly on Android 8 based Resurrection Remix. It was laggy as hell, but... out of nowhere. Like it would be smooth one second and then completely collapse the other. So bad, that unlocking the screen became impossible. Or I could turn on the screen, but it wouldn't react to any input. Taking photos, especially with Gcam, was nearly impossible. It might save the photo, or not. It might take a photo if you press the button, or not. It might take it relatively immediately or it could take up to 10 seconds. Or well, not happen at all. Sometimes you could take a photo, then close the app completely, then take the next photo. Rinse repeat. The behavior was completely random and unreliable, with decent sized crashes along the way. Charging the phone via USB (and some chargers/cables) was impossible, because doing so would drain the battery more than not being plugged in. Sometimes the phone would turn into a space heater for no apparent reason. Second screen support wasn't really worth it either IMHO, because the implementation wasn't as polished as on the stock firmware (mind you I never got past 7).
I'm now on the latest RR (as Lineage just wouldn't boot from a fresh install), and it's... sort of better? The second screen is now just the regular screen, with the left corner being treated as a supersized notch. That's a great use of the space, though I wish on video players it would try to avoid the notch as much as possible. It won't... it's centered. But that's a Google thing. Oh yeah, and Waipu, which I use for TV, won't run properly. Some stations work, some stations (the ones I expect to put more security measures in place) don't.
It ran smooth for the first few hours. Now it has turned into a laggy nightmare again. Well, sometimes. Sometimes it's also smooth and performs as good as you can expect a Snapdragon 820 to perform (which isn't too bad!). But other times... Part of the lag seems to be the notification system, which is currently running amok as I have imported my old SMS and it is keen on showing me every single one of them (to be fair, my last phone, the HUAWEI P30 Pro, did the same after every reboot and it just would not stop). As soon as I put the phone on DND, it seems to perform significantly better.
This is the depressing part. It has decent hardware, I mean, I just got an AnTuTu score of (though the screen froze during a loading screen). This should still be a decent mid range phone. But it behaves like a giant heap of junk. Like a phone that was outdated 10 years ago.
Coming from the P30 Pro, this thing is nothing but frustrating. And while it wasn't so much at the start, it really is now.
I might imagine that the memory is damaged. As in some memory cells behave badly and take a while to read. When it does, the phone essentially locks up.
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Thanks for your detailed answer. An SD 820 certainly shouldn't perform THIS badly. Oneplus devices with the same work as smooth as butter, the difference is night and day. Whatever LG's software team's done to this, is a piece of ****. I'm amazed that they still have their jobs despite creating this hunk of junk. The software is like and obese cow plonked on a sports motorcycle causing it to huff and puff during simple activities.
The worst part is that LG didn't even have the decency to open up sources and make rooting/romming easy, so that others might pick up their slack.
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Thanks for your detailed answer. An SD 820 certainly shouldn't perform THIS badly. Oneplus devices with the same work as smooth as butter, the difference is night and day. Whatever LG's software team's done to this, is a piece of ****. I'm amazed that they still have their jobs despite creating this hunk of junk. The software is like and obese cow plonked on a sports motorcycle causing it to huff and puff during simple activities.
The worst part is that LG didn't even have the decency to open up sources and make rooting/romming easy, so that others might pick up their slack.
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Yes, but the thing is... the custom ROM isn't exactly better either. I think there hardware might be at fault here. Because while the stock ROM performs badly, so do custom ROMs (on the same phone). Unless the software that is at the root of it is used by both, the hardware is simply defective.
I'm getting 104117 in AnTuTu with the V20. Now that isn't spectacular - the P30 Pro did 240k, but it's not too shabby. It's on par with a brand new Samsung Galaxy A30, which I'm pretty sure doesn't break down as badly as the V20.
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Yes, but the thing is... the custom ROM isn't exactly better either. I think there hardware might be at fault here. Because while the stock ROM performs badly, so do custom ROMs (on the same phone). Unless the software that is at the root of it is used by both, the hardware is simply defective.
I'm getting 104117 in AnTuTu with the V20. Now that isn't spectacular - the P30 Pro did 240k, but it's not too shabby. It's on par with a brand new Samsung Galaxy A30, which I'm pretty sure doesn't break down as badly as the V20.
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Hmm.. when you say hardware, the same SD820 is used by others as well like the Oneplus 3, and that's a buttery smooth phone to use even after years of using it, so are there other components that seem to be ****ting the bed in this case?
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Hmm.. when you say hardware, the same SD820 is used by others as well like the Oneplus 3, and that's a buttery smooth phone to use even after years of using it, so are there other components that seem to be ****ting the bed in this case?
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Yeah. Other components. The internal memory perhaps, which may be worn down? I've had a fast SD card that had areas where it'd slow down considerably, as in 300 kB/s instead of 90 MB/s. Maybe they went with low quality memory chips and implemented them poorly, with no wear leveling. Otherwise perhaps some drivers, that custom ROMs also have to use? It's quite weird.
Oh btw., Bluetooth calls aren't working on Resurrection Remix (both based on Android 8 and 9). It's quite annoying...
LG V20 in manufactured very poor, as wvidence..
My LG V20 is produced back in 2016 and known as one of the early production of this device, I can say that this device tend to heat very fast and have a really poor heat management.. Even my full of hatred Ip6S can last longer than my V20.. this is really pathetic..
Before I've move on to V30 and finally got stuck with these Huawei, I intended to dissamble the device and I found out that the thermal paste has dried out.. Even worse, there is only a very little amount of thermal paste placed on top of SoC.. I knew by replacing the paste should fix my issue but my V20 ( not my iP6S ) is my main device atm and I don't have spare time to do this..
I don't what LG thinking back then but for sure, V20 is one of the device I think that have a potential since it have some of the feature that won't exist nowadays such as a useful second screen ( for me at least ), removable battery, a 3.5mm jack, IR blaster, expandable memory and more..
but yes, LG is stupid..
Enough with hardware, I'm going to rant about software..
I don't have any issue with LG UX, I'll love the LG UX actually compared to UX2, 3 and 4.. UX5 and above is fitted with my taste..
The home have a capabilities to make all icon unified if you choose rounded square, then everything will be a rounded square which this option doesn't exist on my Huawei P30 Pro ( I'm miss this option )..
the Camera is easy to navigate with swipe option and second screen.. everything comes in handy, also those manual control interface.. I'll loved it !
Not bothering to implement the portrait feature on this phone is okay since we have Gcam here.. Even V30 doesn't have that.. So, I keep my eyes closed on this one..
BUT.. too bad. Here's come another LG stupidity.. The first phone to be manufactured with Android Nougat is the last one to receive the Android Oreo.. and now Pie.. They even stated so many f**kin time to stop maintaining this device.. How could they do this? LG, why are you keep making stupid decision as you do for LG G4 with only South Korea receiving Nougat, LG G Flex 2 stuck on Lollipop, LG G5 that won't even have a chance to get pie eventhough it used the same SD820 and now this? A flagship device only received ONE major update? Seriously?
But now they mentioned Pie is on the way to LG V20, I'll still have my V20 around but I only put 50% faith on this Pie update since I've been played so many times by LG before..
Errgghhhh...
Anyway, have you see the new LG phone? The phone got SD821 on it.. like seriously? 821 on end of 2019? OMG..
Ok, so I've managed to get Lineage running (maybe I picked the wrong Gapps version). It works a lot better than ResurrectionRemix. For example Bluetooth works, with only tiny break-ups versus RR, which made me sound like I was an a WWII-era tank calling for support. The brightness slider works. The performance so far is smoother. etc. For some reasons the changes in RR seems to have broken the underlying Lineage. Fingers crossed it stays this way.
I'm still not going to buy another LG phone though... I think. Even if they fix the software. Mostly for the camera, because I think they've screwed up there.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/lg-v20-official-android-9-0-pie-update-rollout_id120083
Shouldn't be too long now...
https://lg-firmwares.com/es/lg-f800l-firmwares/#tab=firmwares
F800lV30e.....kdz
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Ok, so I've managed to get Lineage running (maybe I picked the wrong Gapps version). It works a lot better than ResurrectionRemix. For example Bluetooth works, with only tiny break-ups versus RR, which made me sound like I was an a WWII-era tank calling for support. The brightness slider works. The performance so far is smoother. etc. For some reasons the changes in RR seems to have broken the underlying Lineage. Fingers crossed it stays this way.
I'm still not going to buy another LG phone though... I think. Even if they fix the software. Mostly for the camera, because I think they've screwed up there.
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What model you have?
I just receive the f800k pie update via ota 1.9gb file. Update in progress
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KDZ file here
Hey everyone, sorry if this was covered already, but I couldn't find any thread which answers this clearly.
Is it possible to downgrade from Pie to Oreo? And if so, which way would be best to do so?
Phone is MHA-L29 (Japanese region), fully stock, locked bootloader (should be), on build number 9.1.9.256.(C635E6R1P7) and I want to rollback to whichever latest Oreo there was.
dload method doesn't seem to work with some firmwares that I've downloaded from Firmware Finder app.
Thanks!
Ok, so I've managed to downgrade from B256 Pie 9.1 to B376 Oreo 8.0 with HiSuite by restoring to previous version. The only downside of this method is that you have to go 1 by 1 version back so it's time consuming and downloads a lot of data (each rom about 3+ GB), but luckily there was only 1 update after first Pie update so I only had to do it twice ( B256 to B1xx something which is first Pie and then B1xx something to Oreo B376).
The main reason to downgrade is because of screwed up Camera in Android Pie. Main problem is video stabilization that doesn't work in Pie at all and the results are super shaky videos (even with my steady hands). Besides stabilization problems there are some other issues with camera (seems to be lower quality). I bought the phone few days ago and the device came with Pie installed on it already. I couldn't believe how bad the camera is, compared to my 2014 device Droid Turbo (Moto MAXX), which finally died couple days ago after years of heavy abuse. A lot of users have reported same problem with Mate 9 camera and stabilization on Pie.
Another reason is that compass doesn't seem to work in Pie at all. Calibration doesn't seem to do anything as well, and google maps reports compass accuracy as low, regardless of how many "calibration dancing" you do.
Battery seemed ok, but I had a feeling it could be a bit better (especially for a 4000mAh device).
UI seems smooth but touch sensitivity seems to be all over the place, so it's at times super sensitive and at times not responsive at all.
I haven't tested thoroughly since I've downgraded only moments ago but after the downgrade:
-Oreo camera app as suspected is 2x better, with stabilization working good and has UI which is for me personally more usable.
-Compass works "out of the box" without even calibrating it, is accurate and maps reports it's accuracy as high too!
-UI seems to be slightly less smooth compared to Pie (it's not as fluid, kinda like the refresh rate is slightly lower and jerky), but it's working good. UI animations seems to be slightly slower too but that can be solved in Developer Options. I'm being extremely picky when saying this and we're talking about milliseconds.
Hopefully Huawei will fix these Pie issues otherwise it's going on my strict "NEVER AGAIN" list along with the LG. In fact it's already pretty much there considering their bootloader unlock policy.
And last but not least, just to confirm, is B376 earliest build this phone can be rolled back to without bricking? Transition from 375 to 376 updated the bootloader, right? I'm asking because of a bootloader unlock.
AFAIK (as mentioned elswhere), Bootloader was changed with EMUI 8, Security Patch 07/2018, and you can safely go back till there.
You can check Security Patches in Changelogs, from FirmwareFinder.
But I think HiSuite will not offer you to cross back over the Bootloader devide, anyway.
On the other side, for the old, cheap and simple, DC way to unlock Bootloader you would have to revert to the old Bootloader
Do you think reverting to older Oreo (but staying with the new Bootloader) would be worth for some other improvements?
If not, you have achieved the goal (video stability, compass) and for unlocking Bootloader you would need Testpoints one way (to rollback to Security patch 06/2018) or the other (unlocking Bootloader methods for the new Bootloader)
PS: I don't have issues with compass (tested in Compass and Maps apps) on MHA L29 c432 9.1.0.252
Same Problem Here
Same problem here
I have Mate 10 Pie 9.1 , and i need back to Oreo ver 8
Please help