I've been sitting on this for a while but finally decided to speak up on it. I've been reading advice all over since the Froyo days that clearing Google Services Framework is a good idea to solve some play store and/or random app related problems. It is not a good idea to do this. Let me explain why:
Google Services Framework, among other things, contains device data for services like the awesome C2DM (Cloud to Device Messaging) service. What is this you ask? Well, in a nut shell, it is responsible for delivering messages from the cloud to your phone for a particular app without requiring that app to run and constantly maintain a data connection. This was introduced in Froyo (If I'm not mistaken) and helps conserve battery life. For example, Angry Birds Friends has C2DM because it will notify you of someone beating your score without the app running in the background. Angry Birds Friends does not use the on boot permission, so it needs not remain running eating up data just to receive notifications. Understand? A lot of apps are designed like this and it is a very good practice for developers who want to include notifications without needing their app to run in the background all of the time.
Clearing Google Services Framework will cause the C2DM service for every app that uses it to fail until that said app also has its data cleared and is launched and configured again (first time use). If you've ever wondered why your notifications for certain apps stop working, it was probably due to reading advice on clearing Google Services Framework to solve some other problem.
If you don't mind setting up all of your C2DM capable apps again, then go ahead and clear Google Services Framework data. However, if you have quite a few apps, like myself, then clearing it is a bad idea. I found this out a long time ago. There may also be other side effects associated with clearing Google Services Framework, but this is the one I've never seen mentioned before.
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Guys, I'm losing my mind over their wake and battery use. I'm on Slim 8.0 and franco r63 and already done the following:
Yeah, so I've turned OFF 'wake' in privacy manager, I've cancelled 'wake' permission in Android Tuner, I've disabled ads / location activity, and turned off sync and STILL I get ~40% drain from stinking GOOGLE SERVICES!!
Last night was last straw of me, so I wiped / reflashed SLIM 8.0 and franco kernel r63, set max CPU to ~1450, max GPU to ~380, downvolt ~25ma and waiting to see result.
WHY are google services such a PITA when it comes to WAKE and BATTERY USE when I've obviously disabled their ability to both WAKE and COMMUNICATE?
It's driven me absolutely BATTY. My wife's S4 has the same issue and I'm about to be DONE with all Google crap on her phone also.
I've google the issues and they are THOUSANDS of reports of similar problems.
If ANYBODY has a better idea I'd really appreciate it. Different ROM, different kernel, ANYTHING.
UPDATE: 4 hours 37 minutes > 90% left... with a lot of 9gagging in that time
Battery help thread linked in my signature.
Had the issue earlier today. Settings > Storage > Clear Cache > Reboot seems to have worked.
Make sure to not disable GPS, doing so for some reason will have that process constantly scan for location and keeping your device awake.
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Never heard of the 'GPS on' trick, but I checked location and no apps have requested location.
I tried to load a 'mini Gapps' package for SLIM but it's same story, device NEVER sleeps. No sync, no location, disabled 'wake' for the services, everything... glad I backed up the system with NO Gapps because I'll likely be restoring...
Really, really, really pathetic that SO many people have this program. What the hell is wrong with google??
Im convinced google play services is nsa spyware. Anyone care to prove me wrong? I would feel bette if you could. I have uninstalled it several times and it WILL NOT GO AWAY. And it uses more permissions than any other app I have. It will not stop running. It behaves like a virus in my opinion. Am I just a conspiracy nut?
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Im convinced google play services is nsa spyware. Anyone care to prove me wrong? I would feel bette if you could. I have uninstalled it several times and it WILL NOT GO AWAY. And it uses more permissions than any other app I have. It will not stop running. It behaves like a virus in my opinion. Am I just a conspiracy nut?
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1. Google uses it for things like Analytics
2. Most apps depend on it as a framework to do things, hence the permissions
3. It updates in the background automatically
4. This is Android. Android means Google.
5. If you don't like that, switch to using the Amazon app store, or buy a crappy iOS device.
Well, I just removed it (it was a pita due to no recovery on phone so i gotta be delicate!) and maps still works. Thats the one app I cant live without. I havent checked everything yet but nothing I have used thus far seems affected. Used TB to remove market links.I use an alternate app store already. My phone runs MUCH faster. I will never own a crappy Iphone device!!!
Everything checked. All works.
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You don't need GPS ON, just freeze google play store and services and enjoy LONG battery life. Only thing that works for me 100% of the time....
Is there any way to view the full path for cut off in greenify? Trying to figure out what keeps waking Google play services when all I've done is unlock my phone and open greenify.
There's also at times conflict between disable services and greenify. Play services show in greenify as running but when I go to disable services it often shows none are running.
I want to kill the path that keeps waking it for greenify but I want to research it first.
Literally all I use is the store at this point. YouTube too but through browser not the actual YouTube app. Chrome here and there but not often, been mostly using armor fly.
Does there exist a list which shows which services are needed for what functions? I can find other people's troubleshooting but no confirmed lists.
Also been wondering the same for everything in general, there are probably more apps I don't need but can never be sure.
I'm on s5 neo rooted 5.1.1 Samsung software
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Ok so for about 3+weeks I've been having this issues. As the title states, this gplay has been running in the background for hours. Today it's been 8+hrs. Idk what it is. I googled, I disabled the background usage, turned off the data usage for it, put it to sleep, wiped data/cache, uninstalled updates, installed newer versions - all no dice. If anyone could point me in the right direction it'd be greatly appreciated.
It's a core part of the OS and shouldn't be disabled. If you really want to kill it then get Package Disabler Pro and do it that way.
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It's a core part of the OS and shouldn't be disabled. If you really want to kill it then get Package Disabler Pro and do it that way.
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I didn't say I disabled the app, or even implied it, I said I disabled the background usage.
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I didn't say I disabled the app, or even implied it, I said I disabled the background usage.
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It's junkware. Disable until you need it.
You can firewall block it with Karma Firewall which will help a little but it will continue to use some resources. Karma Firewall uses almost no battery, freeware.
Google play Services is another prime offender that I keep disabled unless I need it to get Gmail or use Gmaps.
Disable Google backup transport and Firebase as well.
Gookill sucks... with them you're not the customer, you are the product.
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I uninstalled Google Play Services and Google Services Framework (Galaxy apps and Theme Store), and use F-droid and Aurora store instead.
Boost carrier Moto g Stylus 5G 2022 XT2215-4 with Android 12. Google Play Services App is DISABLED. I cannot completely disable the Google Play Services Availability alert option in the Phone App (SHOW NOTIFICATIONS locked). Other apps allow the user to disable the Google Play Services Availability alert. Is there a fix for the Phone App?
TIA,
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You can temporarily disable Google play Services. I normally do unless it's needed like for Gmail. Playstore, Backup Transport are also a dependencies of it. Pretty much a menace... even on Android 9
Change the default phone app and disable Google Dialer.
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You can temporarily disable Google play Services. I normally do unless it's needed like for Gmail. Playstore, Backup Transport are also a dependencies of it. Pretty much a menace... even on Android 9
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Thanks for your input. I disabled Google Play Services. Even removed it using ADB. Unfortunately, I cannot turn off the alert in the PHONE APP that's looking for Google Play Services (see attached screen shots). The radio button to disable the alert is greyed out.
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Change the default phone app and disable Google Dialer.
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1. Are you recommending that I install another phone app instead of the default Android? Any recommendation.
2. Isn't Google dialer part of the phone app?
Phone app is fully functional. The issue is the alert message prompting the activation of Google Play Services. I can turn off this prompt with other apps, but not the phone app.
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1. Are you recommending that I install another phone app instead of the default Android? Any recommendation.
2. Isn't Google dialer part of the phone app?
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Yes. Since the notification cannot be disabled, it can become annoying after a while.
Google Dialer is currently your phone app and is set as default.
Install a 3rd party dialer app of your choice and set it as default. Now you'll be able to disable Google Dialer (or Phone) app from its app info page.
My recommendation
Simple Dialer - Apps on Google Play
Manage phone calls with this simple phone dialer app with phonebook
play.google.com
If you're fine without call recording feature, the above is an excellent and safe alternative.
Alternative Source
Simple Dialer | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
Manage phone calls with this simple phone dialer app with phonebook
f-droid.org
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Yes. Since the notification cannot be disabled, it can become annoying after a while.
Google Dialer is currently your phone app and is set as default.
Install a 3rd party dialer app of your choice and set it as default. Now you'll be able to disable Google Dialer (or Phone) app from its app info page.
My recommendation:
Simple Dialer - Apps on Google Play
Manage phone calls with this simple phone dialer app with phonebook
play.google.com
If you're fine without call recording feature, the above is an excellent and safe alternative.
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Excellent! Will install the other option. I also have the 6 GB RAM version of this phone from Metro. Per app inspection, the other phone app is identical in revision number, but it doesn't have the Google Play Services Availability radio option.
If time permits, I may remove Phone App via ADB, then download the next Phone App apk. I don't know if Google Play Services Availability is hard coded into Boost's Android 12 build. Thank you very much for your input.
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Thanks for your input. I disabled Google Play Services. Even removed it using ADB. Unfortunately, I cannot turn off the alert in the PHONE APP that's looking for Google Play Services (see attached screen shots). The radio button to disable the alert is greyed out.
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On Samsung's they use their own phone/messaging apps and Google play Services isn't mandatorily intergrated into them so they will run fine without it. You're going to have to play with it.
Completely removing Google play Services could cause headaches. It maybe possible to block the popup via a adb edit but no idea how or if possible on a non-rooted phone.
All Gookill apps are a pain and Google play Services is integrated into them to a greater or lesser extent. 3rd party phone app... maybe.
furballi said:
Excellent! Will install the other option. I also have the 6 GB RAM version of this phone from Metro. Per app inspection, the other phone app is identical in revision number, but it doesn't have the Google Play Services Availability radio option.
If time permits, I may remove Phone App via ADB, then download the next Phone App apk. I don't know if Google Play Services Availability is hard coded into Boost's Android 12 build. Thank you very much for your input.
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I suggest that you install the alternative app first, set it as default and test everything is working fine (although there is no reason why it wouldn't) before attempting to remove the stock dialer.
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On Samsung's they use their own phone/messaging apps and Google play Services isn't mandatorily intergrated into them so they will run fine without it. You're going to have to play with it.
Completely removing Google play Services could cause headaches. It maybe possible to block the popup via a adb edit but no idea how or if possible on a non-rooted phone.
All Gookill apps are a pain and Google play Services is integrated into them to a greater or lesser extent. 3rd party phone app... maybe.
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A whole lot of apps are dependent on Google Play Services. On one of my devices, I disabled it and soon after I got some 12 to 15 notifications from different apps asking me to enable it. The notifications were so frequent and annoying that I just re-enabled it for peace of mind. 🫣
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I suggest that you install the alternative app first, set it as default and test everything is working fine (although there is no reason why it wouldn't) before attempting to remove the stock dialer.
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Yeah, the dialer is part of the core function of a... phone.
Lol, proceed with caution unless you enjoy factory resets
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On Samsung's they use their own phone/messaging apps and Google play Services isn't mandatorily intergrated into them so they will run fine without it. You're going to have to play with it.
Completely removing Google play Services could cause headaches. It maybe possible to block the popup via a adb edit but no idea how or if possible on a non-rooted phone.
All Gookill apps are a pain and Google play Services is integrated into them to a greater or lesser extent. 3rd party phone app... maybe.
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Thank you.
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A whole lot of apps are dependent on Google Play Services. On one of my devices, I disabled it and soon after I got some 12 to 15 notifications from different apps asking me to enable it. The notifications were so frequent and annoying that I just re-enabled it for peace of mind. 🫣
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You got a lot of trashware running...
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You got a lot of trashware running...
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Maps (not just Google Maps), SMS app, mail apps, taxi apps.... aren't trashware.
TheMystic said:
A whole lot of apps are dependent on Google Play Services. On one of my devices, I disabled it and soon after I got some 12 to 15 notifications from different apps asking me to enable it. The notifications were so frequent and annoying that I just re-enabled it for peace of mind. 🫣
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Will test drive the alternate phone app. I also saw a bunch of alerts, but I was able to kill them by going into each app and disable the Google Play Services alert radio button. The GPS's main function is probably to update the app. All the apps are fully functional without GPS running in the background.
Google's is in the business of data mining. That's why I want tight control of all Google apps whenever possible.
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Will test drive the alternate phone app. I also saw a bunch of alerts, but I was able to kill them by going into each app and disable the Google Play Services alert radio button. The GPS's main function is probably to update the app. All the apps are fully functional without GPS running in the background.
Google's is in the business of data mining. That's why I want tight control of all Google apps whenever possible.
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Updating is handled by Google Play Store.
Google Play Services offers a whole range of services that apps use, such as location, push notifications, etc.
If you are able to find apps that offer full functionality without depending on GPS, then you'll be fine disabling it.
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Maps (not just Google Maps), SMS app, mail apps, taxi apps.... aren't trashware.
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Yeah, they are... sorry.
Gmaps runs fine without it. Less some of the junk features.
Driving a taxi sucks... people are trouble.
Drunks are the worst.
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Maps (not just Google Maps), SMS app, mail apps, taxi apps.... aren't trashware.
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I use HERE drive. Download the map into your phone and turn ON location. Hopefully, I only need to use the SMS and Clock app. But I agree, a lot of useful stuffs are in the Google ecosystem. Chrome is significantly faster than Firefox per my setup. Edge was fast until it got bogged down with AI search. This is how they push you to upgrade the processor.
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Driving a taxi sucks... people are trouble
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I'm referring to taxi services as a customer though.
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I'm referring to taxi services as a customer though.
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Than no need for Google play Services 99% of the time. It's a data mining parasite.