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Samsung Fast adaptive CAR charger and M9?

I wonder if the Samsung Car charger Fast Adaptive which is the name sammy gave for Quick Charging 2.0 is compatible with the M9?
The wall charger version work from what I heard but dunno about the Car one

Maybe the output specs could shed some light on interoperability. I'd guess that between the differences of Samsung's Exnos processor and Qualcomm's Snapdragon there isn't much collaboration to build a common fast charging standard. Too bad, that.

computerslayer said:
Maybe the output specs could shed some light on interoperability. I'd guess that between the differences of Samsung's Exnos processor and Qualcomm's Snapdragon there isn't much collaboration to build a common fast charging standard. Too bad, that.
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It's made for the note 4 qualcomm too so it must be the same, I also saw somewhere you don't need a snapdragon cpu
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QC2.0 is a standard, so if it's QC2.0 compliant, that would seem to suggest it would work with any QC2.0 compliant phone, no?

iElvis said:
QC2.0 is a standard, so if it's QC2.0 compliant, that would seem to suggest it would work with any QC2.0 compliant phone, no?
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Yep!
The thing is that in some website that say fast adaptive = quick charge 2.0, and other not
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Sorry to jump into the conversation, but does this mean the home fast charger (or w/e they name it) by samsung is a quick charger which will work with our device?

Jhonys said:
Sorry to jump into the conversation, but does this mean the home fast charger (or w/e they name it) by samsung is a quick charger which will work with our device?
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Some users said yes, in another hand S6 and note 4 are 100% compatible with quick chargers 2.0
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It's working great. :thumbup:
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I think i'll go and grab the Note 4 charger tomorrow as it's a 15W one.
Saw someone saying the quickcharger technology is not so good for the battery lifespan. I hope it's not the case.

Jhonys said:
Saw someone saying the quickcharger technology is not so good for the battery lifespan. I hope it's not the case.
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And they know this how? It's a brand new technology.

iElvis said:
And they know this how? It's a brand new technology.
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General properties of batteries. Fast charge and discharge cycles cause them to break down sooner.

Guys, I tested the Samsung Adaptive Fast Charger and it was a no-go. I tried two different ones under ideal charging conditions and what I found was the charger would sync with the phone and boost to rapid charge levels, but it wouldn't sustain them. It kept prematurely stepping back down to slow-speed, lower amperage levels. So IMHO you should save your $$.
The QC2.0 certified chargers that I have found work 100% are the ZeroLemon wall charger and the PureGear 12v car charger. Both will lock the phone on at high rates of charging unless (or until) the phone heats up too much, then charging is throttled until the phone cools down some. My observations are that it will definitely throttle after temps rise above 100F and if you cool the phone down by (e.g.) holding it in front of the A/C vent, rapid charging resumes.

Ok so I tested the Samsung Fast Adaptive Car charger and it's pretty fast even with the screen ON due to the Car App, though better let the screen dim by itself or the phone will get hot.
Conclusion: I recommend this charger even though it's a little bit more expensive than Chinese cheap QC 2.0 that can end up DOA or be bad for your battery
My wall QC 2.0 charger works as it should once over 3 and the screen can be a little weird

USB-C Wall Chargers

I've been looking and looking for a good and not-too-expensive USB-C wall charger and I'm having trouble finding one. On Amazon there appears to be a $25 option that looks good but expensive (imho) and then there's a cheap ~$10 option that seems to have bad reviews.
I know there are a ton of USB-A -> USB-C cables & adapters but I also want some native USB-C options since it can power things 50% faster than what USB-A -> USB-C will do. I also know there are several decent-looking USB-C car chargers
Has anybody found any good USB-C wall chargers that aren't too expensive? Or are we stuck waiting for the likes of Anker, Choetech, and others to come out with some good options?

Jaxidian said:
Has anybody found any good USB-C wall chargers that aren't too expensive?
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You could just get another google one for 25

I am looking for cheap alternatives as well. I travel a lot and rather have a couple chargers for travelling. Re the suggestion of buying another one from google, I would prefer one with a longer cable. I see many 6.6 ft cables on amazon that would work great with a usb c power brick.

Links to the ones that you found?
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toyanucci said:
I am looking for cheap alternatives as well. I travel a lot and rather have a couple chargers for travelling. Re the suggestion of buying another one from google, I would prefer one with a longer cable. I see many 6.6 ft cables on amazon that would work great with a usb c power brick.
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most of those longer cables severely reduce the charge current. to the point some of these cables can not even charge the phone while it's in use.
i have no idea how the quick charge on 6p will work but based on what i'v read it is heavily dependent on the usb-c ability to carry higher current, so i would be very weary about longer cables.
if anyone out there lands a decent 6ft cable that can qc 6p at a good price. please be sure to report back. and no, i don't mean those cables listed at $20 a pop like the official google ones. i feel it's a rip off even at half of that price. LOL.

Don't get confused among the connector type, cable type and charging standards. There are still USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 cables. The 3.0 cables will carry higher speed data and higher power than USB 2.0 cables. They are also more expensive. The 6P is only USB 2.0 compliant. Type A, Type C and Micro B (USB3.0 ugly wide connector not used by any phone) connectors will all carry high power and higher speed data streams. The current micro B that is used in most phones will not.
That said, the 6P is Snapdragon 810 SOC that supports QuickCharge 2.0. The 820 will support 3.0. Quick Charge 2.0 supports voltages of 5V, 9V and 12V and typically will be 2A at 5 and 9V and 1.5A at 12V.
Bottom line a USB 2.0 cable with any end if fed the correct voltage/amps will be Quick Charge 2.0 compatible. Most Quick Charge 2.0 phones use USB2.0 Micro B.

dwswager said:
Don't get confused among the connector type, cable type and charging standards. There are still USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 cables. The 3.0 cables will carry higher speed data and higher power than USB 2.0 cables. They are also more expensive. The 6P is only USB 2.0 compliant. Type A, Type C and Micro B (USB3.0 ugly wide connector not used by any phone) connectors will all carry high power and higher speed data streams. The current micro B that is used in most phones will not.
That said, the 6P is Snapdragon 810 SOC that supports QuickCharge 2.0. The 820 will support 3.0. Quick Charge 2.0 supports voltages of 5V, 9V and 12V and typically will be 2A at 5 and 9V and 1.5A at 12V.
Bottom line a USB 2.0 cable with any end if fed the correct voltage/amps will be Quick Charge 2.0 compatible. Most Quick Charge 2.0 phones use USB2.0 Micro B.
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Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.

I just checked out the Indian unboxings which are making their rounds. I'm happy to see a plain old usb brick separate from the cable. I know that's not how the USA will be but it means that those usb bricks should be readily available soon enough from other manufacturers as I really want a compatible 15w brick that I can use with a 6.6 ft usb c cable for more length.
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Pilz said:
Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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Exactly. I think that's the issue here.
To get true "quick charging" it has to be a 5V/3A usb-c charger.

Pilz said:
Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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Pilz is correct. Regardless of chipset compatibility, they've skipped QC altogether as USB Type-C natively provides the power profiles needed to accomplish the same.
-ONLY- USB Type-C ports or chargers will power the correct pins/wires on a Type-C cable to fast charge the Nexus. Therefore, the best advice is to always buy a USB Type-C device for charging. Of course, check to ensure it outputs at least 5V @ 3A (15W).
As the Google sold Nexus power brick is out of stock, the one for the Pixel will work. It's overkill, actually, but will still work.
https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger

Elnrik said:
Pilz is correct. Regardless of chipset compatibility, they've skipped QC altogether as USB Type-C natively provides the power profiles needed to accomplish the same.
-ONLY- USB Type-C ports or chargers will power the correct pins/wires on a Type-C cable to fast charge the Nexus. Therefore, the best advice is to always buy a USB Type-C device for charging. Of course, check to ensure it outputs at least 5V @ 3A (15W).
As the Google sold Nexus power brick is out of stock, the one for the Pixel will work. It's overkill, actually, but will still work.
https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger
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I assume the dual-port will be available soon when the 6p launches.
The Apple usb-c is 2.4A peak so it doesn't work either.

Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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Pilz said:
Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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dwswager said:
Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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smh....

dwswager said:
Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
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I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.

dwswager said:
Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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I stated this before and I'll state it again. We don't know what PCU the 6P or the 5X have so we won't know if the hardware support is even there. According to Google its not supported so I doubt I had the right PCU. Type-C fast charging doesn't ramp up voltage like QC does it ramps up the amperes at a constant voltage.
Read this article here and enjoy the satire in it as well (the purposely crossed through the quick charge at the time of publishing the article from what I recall) http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...ck-charging-or-wireless-charging-of-any-kind/
Also this is Qualcomms approved list of PCU chips that support it (see picture)
It states that QC is supported in the SD810 but ylh need to have the necessary power control chip as well to enable it.
I doubt Google would have the power chip and refuse to enable it like OP did with the OP2 due to licensing costs. Obviously Qualcomm didn't invent raising the voltage and since you are new here this isn't reddit we don't spread false nonsense for fun.

Elnrik said:
I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.
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I cited and article to support what you said and attached a screenshot too

Elnrik said:
I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.
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We seem to be confusing the implementation of a technique with the technique itself. Yes, I know there are lots of controller chips within any device. And yes, a manufacturer can deactivate or more correctly not activate in the 1st place a features built in. To which the FM radio that is built in is not activated.
Bottomline is to try the native charger, a QC 2.0 charger and a basic 5V charger and compare the results. I will bet there will not be a significant statistical difference between the native charger and the QC 2.0 charger an both will outperform the straight 5V number. Time will tell.

FYI.. chat with support just now
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Hi htowngator! Thanks for getting in touch with Google! My name is Christie. How are you today?
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Christie, I'm good thank you
I'm just wondering when I will be able to order chargers for my Nexus 6p... This shows "not available" but I was curious when I could order it? https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_dual_port_charger
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No worries! Let me take a look into your question.
It looks like it will be available next Monday for purchase.
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thank you

dwswager said:
We seem to be confusing the implementation of a technique with the technique itself. Yes, I know there are lots of controller chips within any device. And yes, a manufacturer can deactivate or more correctly not activate in the 1st place a features built in. To which the FM radio that is built in is not activated.
Bottomline is to try the native charger, a QC 2.0 charger and a basic 5V charger and compare the results. I will bet there will not be a significant statistical difference between the native charger and the QC 2.0 charger an both will outperform the straight 5V number. Time will tell.
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So, when the phone can't negotiate a 5 volt 3 amp power connection with a QC charger, and defaults to 5 volt 550 mA USB 2.0 defaults, you are saying that there will be no noticeable charging differences between 15 watts and 2.75 watts?
I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't understand what you think you understand.

htowngator said:
I assume the dual-port will be available soon when the 6p launches.
The Apple usb-c is 2.4A peak so it doesn't work either.
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This one here will work! http://smile.amazon.com/Charger-Universal-Exchangeable-Included-Motorola/dp/B0122P71FC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1444758012&sr=8-6&keywords=5V+3A+charger
I find it hilarious that anyone would think that a the connector on the end of the wire would have anything to do with the output of the power supply. You guys do know you can buy USB Type C to Micro USB adapters that go both ways. The only thing Type C brings to the table is it is reversible. The best part of Type C is that Apple is adopting it so we will have one standard all wired the same way. Only an idiot would wire a standard connector in a non standard way making their product incompatible with everything else. Micro USB-3 will carry just as much power and data just as fast, but it is really big and ugly!
Whether you use a 5V/3A charger or a QC 2.0 that will also output 5V/3A among it's 3 voltage settings is a mute point.

Is our phone's quickcharge Qualcom quickcharge 3.0?

It only says Huawei quick charge in the charger. I was wondering if an external battery with qualcoms quickcharge 3.0 will charge just like the huawei's wall adapter

Correct me someone if I am wrong
But this is not qualcomm or snapdragon
This is an Huawei entirely made by Huaweis technologies like the HiSilicon and Kirin
Thats why it only says Huawei quick charge
And external battery will depend how you charge it
But I think it should only work with qualcomm and not Huawei

brljak83 said:
Correct me someone if I am wrong
But this is not qualcomm or snapdragon
This is an Huawei entirely made by Huaweis technologies like the HiSilicon and Kirin
Thats why it only says Huawei quick charge
And external battery will depend how you charge it
But I think it should only work with qualcomm and not Huawei
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Correct, not Qualcomm QuickCharge technology, but proprietary Huawei quick charge.
Anker makes some good 'auto sensing' chargers that will charge the H8 pretty darn quick, however.

dwcasey said:
Correct, not Qualcomm QuickCharge technology, but proprietary Huawei quick charge.
Anker makes some good 'auto sensing' chargers that will charge the H8 pretty darn quick, however.
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Yea I do have an Anker powerbank which has "IQ Charge" and its pretty fast but not as quick as the huawei's charger

The Honor phones are not Qualcomm Quick Charge compatible. The Huawei Quick Charger that comes with the phone supports both Huawei Quick Charge and Qualcomm Quick Charge 2 according to its specs. So if you have an external battery that supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0, you won't get the 3.0 speed from Huawei's charger, but it probably is quite fast (since I would assume your external battery also accepts Qualcomm Quick Charge 2).

Anker and Tronsmart QC3.0 and other proprietary fast charge speed up H8 charging, opposed to standard 2A chargers. Seem a bit slower than original charger but not by far.

Huawei uses their own fast charger.
OnePlus do the same.

When you already in this situation just try it out a d you will see how fast it will be.. and then let us know how it went.. maybe you will help someone.. I would also like to know if it will fast charge and if how fast

Any Qualcomm Quick Charger (1.0, 2.0, 3.0) will recognize that the Honor 8 is not compatible and will default back to the maximum amperage the phone's internal circuitry will allow. Not sure if it's 2A, 2.1A or what... but it basically doesn't matter what the charger is capable of if it's NOT a Huawei Fast Charger. It's speed will be dictated by the phone. Huawei's Fast Charger is the only charger that can get you the fastest charging speed on the Honor 8 and does so without heating up your device, which is the safest way to fast charge.
Huawei Fast Chargers can be found on eBay all day long for $10. There's very little reason to buy anything else since it too can charge Qualcomm QC phones and batteries.

I've tried charging mine with Aukey PB-T10 powerbank, which supports QC 3.0 (but not Huawei FCP). To my surprise, the phone shows "Fast Charging". Similar power draw between original charger and this one (9V, 1.2-1.4A), based on USB Doctor. And similar charging time too.
I've also tried with a QC 2.0 charger and it's just normal charging.

wan.taquddin said:
I've tried charging mine with Aukey PB-T10 powerbank, which supports QC 3.0 (but not Huawei FCP). To my surprise, the phone shows "Fast Charging". Similar power draw between original charger and this one (9V, 1.2-1.4A), based on USB Doctor. And similar charging time too.
I've also tried with a QC 2.0 charger and it's just normal charging.
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Wow, thats nice. Can I have the link? Is it this one?

Yes. This is my personal finding and nowhere an official statement :fingers-crossed:

A good QC3.0 would give very similar charging times as the original charger. I've not been using the original one and use one QC3.0 at home and another at work and they're pretty dam fast.

No chargers available for Pump Express 4.0 technology

I can't seem to find any charger compatible with the PE 4.0
https://www.mediatek.com/blog/connect-with-confidence-pump-express-4-0-charges-in-half-the-time
Also can't find more detailed information about how it works anywhere, my best bet about a charger that could work with it is the Huawei Supercharge, with provides 5v 2A/ 5v 4.5A/4.5v 5A, you guys think it could enable the Pump Express 4.0?As it is sait to use up to 5V 5A, or would it only work on Huawei smartphones?I already tried qualcomm qc3.0 chargers and they didn't work at all, but that's due to qualcomm relying on bigger tension, instead of bigger current for their technology to work.
My cellphone is a Blu VIVO XI+ powered by Helio p60 processor, I don't know why but Blu shoot their own feet by shipping a 5V/2A charger in a cellphone with a not that good battery, if it wasn't for that, the phone would be perfect for it's price.

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If no one knows the answer even in XDA, I'm pretty much out of options

luizfilipel said:
If no one knows the answer even in XDA, I'm pretty much out of options
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The technology in the phone is named differently than what it's called in the charger, you want a charger that supports "Power Delivery 3.0" to get the best performance fast charge, basically the same charger that is shipped with the new Google Pixel phones. Amazon has several on the cheap that work really well with my Blu Vivo XI+. Keep in mind that you will need a usb c to usb c cable to utilize it as the power adapter itself has a usb c port that outputs the higher wattage power! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078W6NK4H/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is the one I got and it works real well!

Fast charging

I switched to a 1+7P (T-mobile locked variant) yesterday and I understand that it uses proprietary fast-charging. This is an upgrade from an LG G6 which uses Qualcomm's QuickCharge 3.0. I understand that right now the 7P doesnt support QC3. But is QC3 something that's integrated into the SoC itself or is it software-driven? If it's the former, would it be possible to enable QC3 in the future?

Integrated into SoC. OPPO created VOOC which is known as Dash Charging to OnePlus. Its there competing technology with Qualcomm and with the advancement with our superior Warp Charging I highly doubt OnePlus will see any version of QC anytime soon.

RobbieL241 said:
I switched to a 1+7P (T-mobile locked variant) yesterday and I understand that it uses proprietary fast-charging. This is an upgrade from an LG G6 which uses Qualcomm's QuickCharge 3.0. I understand that right now the 7P doesnt support QC3. But is QC3 something that's integrated into the SoC itself or is it software-driven? If it's the former, would it be possible to enable QC3 in the future?
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I don't think it'll ever happen. The big thing about OnePlus's Dash Charge and Warp Charge is that all the stress is on the charger module itself and not the phone, so the phone barely heats up. From what I gather, they are completely different technologies that cannot (and will not) work together.

xxjabberwockxx said:
I don't think it'll ever happen. The big thing about OnePlus's Dash Charge and Warp Charge is that all the stress is on the charger module itself and not the phone, so the phone barely heats up. From what I gather, they are completely different technologies that cannot (and will not) work together.
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Oh, I think Dash Charge is great. It's faster than QC3 by a mile. But I have an Auckey dual-port charger with QC support that I really liked using that is now basically just a generic charger.

RobbieL241 said:
Oh, I think Dash Charge is great. It's faster than QC3 by a mile. But I have an Auckey dual-port charger with QC support that I really liked using that is now basically just a generic charger.
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Same boat here. Last 3 phones I had were the Moto X Pure, Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and Galaxy S9. I have 4 10W wireless chargers, 7 QC 3.0 wall chargers, 3 cars with QC 3.0 chargers, and 4 QC 3.0 portable batteries. I suppose the rest of my family can keep using those, but I've got some purchasing to do.

Op7 does support usb-pd. My nightstand chargers is a pixel charger. Not as fast as dash obviously, but faster than a basic and was much cheaper than an extra oneplus dash charger