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Why is pixel development lagging?

Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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stackz07 said:
Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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There are a few and the performance is good.

In terms of price, the pixel is pretty damn expensive compared to other android phones with similar specs. Add to that the fact that, in the USA, at least, it was nearly impossible to get one for the longest time and finally, the way the partitioning is set up is quite different that any previous android phones. All these make for some slow development.

It's expensive plus Google's security features are becoming more problematic. The newest bootloader is causing issues with root now.
The real dev device now is OnePlus not googles product anymore.

stackz07 said:
Seems like twrp, rooms etc are not really being developed. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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Was actually my thinking also...
I came to the conclusion, that nobody has this device, and also google is making it hard to develop for the pixel. Working against the dev community with each update.
I am not worried though, because I only need root for my ARISE sound mod ,and backup/restore via Titanium Backup. I'm running completely stock, because that is the fastest, smoothest, most battery friendly setup I could find. Now that (even with a lot of hacking and manual adjustments) both TWRP and root works somehow, I am enjoying my pixel as it is... All these new things, like slots, loosing the recovery partition etc. make this device terrible for flashing. I was used to flashing my phones without a PC for 6-7 years now. I didn't even had to hook them up to the PC, only once, at first recovery flashing.... This is not the case with the pixel..
Maybe if the new partition layout gets picked up by other manufacturers, the problems will be solved quickly. Or even google drops this nonsense with the new pixels, and then we are really doooooomed

mikeprius said:
It's expensive plus Google's security features are becoming more problematic. The newest bootloader is causing issues with root now.
The real dev device now is OnePlus not googles product anymore.
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Lol...OnePlus are unavailable to release nougat for the OnePlus 2 (SD810+4Gb Ram)

I don't really agree. The development took some time because of all the new features.
We are not really missing any roms, root, twrp or anything I want to be able to do. I see PN, DU, Lineage, OctOS, PixelDust, RR. I mean what other ones you want?
I'll get an OP when they decide to support their devices at least 2 years. They burned enough people with OP2.

milan187 said:
I don't really agree. The development took some time because of all the new features.
We are not really missing any roms, root, twrp or anything I want to be able to do. I see PN, DU, Lineage, OctOS, PixelDust, RR. I mean what other ones you want?
I'll get an OP when they decide to support their devices at least 2 years. They burned enough people with OP2.
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Twrp seems abandoned, and the mix and match instructions for getting things to boot and run with magisk etc just seem odd, that's all. I'm sure everything will be figured out with time, but was just honestly curious.

stackz07 said:
Twrp seems abandoned, and the mix and match instructions for getting things to boot and run with magisk etc just seem odd, that's all. I'm sure everything will be figured out with time, but was just honestly curious.
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Well the developer works on it when he can. It works fine so we do have it. Will need a new one that can sign the boot image.
Magisk isn't officially support it since developer does not have the device.
New boot signing procedure had a fix in a day or two after Google release. That's not bad. Things are not perfect I agree. Multiple slots are making things the hardest I think.
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Probably security more than anything. Don't expect it to pick up anytime soon.

Custom Oreo roms?

Is there a technical reason that we have not seen any Custom Oreo roms released yet. I figured between all the RC releases of oreo leading up to the final build that the most popular roms (Pure Nexus, Resurrection Rom.. etc...) would have released 8.0 versions by now. Is it just too soon and unrealistic to expect that yet.. or an actual limitation in Oreo that is preventing builds? fyi.. im not like demanding one .. just curious on a technical level.

revdirty said:
Is there a technical reason that we have not seen any Custom Oreo roms released yet. I figured between all the RC releases of oreo leading up to the final build that the most popular roms (Pure Nexus, Resurrection Rom.. etc...) would have released 8.0 versions by now. Is it just too soon and unrealistic to expect that yet.. or an actual limitation in Oreo that is preventing builds? fyi.. im not like demanding one .. just curious on a technical level.
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From my understanding, most devs don't work on betas but wait until a final build is published and this was supposedly a significant update to Android. Perhaps there's a lot to do to handle the project treble changes. XDA published an interesting article about it just today.
The pixel doesn't seem to be the super popular development device many expected it to be but I'm sure the Oreo builds will come soon enough.

Just from my point of view, finding the various aspects for my themes was a pain in the butt from N to O. Somethings that were once png are now vector images and that is just from a themers aspect,,,rom building is a whole other thing. I am sure there will be some soon.

I was thinking the exact same thing as OP. I hope this isn't the case for the Pixel 2 XL. My Nexus 6 is running a custom Oreo ROM and it's great so far. It's like a ghost town.

Hey guys, im currently using Pure nexus, i thought of waiting for the oreo version of pure nexus. But it seems like its gonna take a while.. So, shall i switch to official oreo or to wait for any custom rom?
How is battery life and performance in Oreo?.
Thanks in advance

Oreo appears buggy...
I will wait for Pure Nexus Oreo

udahy.manna said:
Hey guys, im currently using Pure nexus, i thought of waiting for the oreo version of pure nexus. But it seems like its gonna take a while.. So, shall i switch to official oreo or to wait for any custom rom?
How is battery life and performance in Oreo?.
Thanks in advance
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I'm not going to say switch to Oreo, but for me it's been pretty stable. It's no RR or PA by a long shot. Battery life seems ok, and comparable to
other nougot roms I've ran. Performance is comparable as well. I'm no gamer, so can't report on heavy usage, but I've had no issues with
my standard apps, youtube, slack, twitter etc..
I guess the only thing I'm real annoyed at is if you want to get into TWRP, you have to reboot to bootloader, and fastboot boot twrp.img. I don't know the
status of flashing twrp, but the fastboot method works well.
Rooted with SuperSU, and substratum working nicely. I can't stand the default navbar height, so installed the mod from "[MODS] Pixel OREO Aroma Mods Installer" and lowed my navbar to 42dpi, and am now content.
Now, once a Oreo custom mod like RR/PA is released (Haven't tried Pure Nexus) I'm switching.

cntryby429 said:
From my understanding, most devs don't work on betas but wait until a final build is published and this was supposedly a significant update to Android. Perhaps there's a lot to do to handle the project treble changes. XDA published an interesting article about it just today.
The pixel doesn't seem to be the super popular development device many expected it to be but I'm sure the Oreo builds will come soon enough.
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I was just about to ask about the "State of Development" on the Pixel because I have been curious as to the lack of active development for Mods and ROMs. Hell my Wife's old Samsung Galaxy S4 still gets more development.
Could the A\B partitioning be a big factor in this?
I thought the Pixel would receive the same reaction like th Galaxy line and Google is a recognizable just like Samsung

Why is custom ROM development on Pixel is very low?

hp13 said:
Why is custom ROM development on Pixel is very low?
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Because it's an expensive device and it has this new crappy A/B partitions system

lorax70 said:
I'm not going to say switch to Oreo, but for me it's been pretty stable. It's no RR or PA by a long shot. Battery life seems ok, and comparable to
other nougot roms I've ran. Performance is comparable as well. I'm no gamer, so can't report on heavy usage, but I've had no issues with
my standard apps, youtube, slack, twitter etc..
I guess the only thing I'm real annoyed at is if you want to get into TWRP, you have to reboot to bootloader, and fastboot boot twrp.img. I don't know the
status of flashing twrp, but the fastboot method works well.
Rooted with SuperSU, and substratum working nicely. I can't stand the default navbar height, so installed the mod from "[MODS] Pixel OREO Aroma Mods Installer" and lowed my navbar to 42dpi, and am now content.
Now, once a Oreo custom mod like RR/PA is released (Haven't tried Pure Nexus) I'm switching.
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The new official flashable TWRP is out and compatible with pixel Oreo.

yeah, I would give "O" a little time. It appears that some are starting to have a few issues with phones being bricked. It's possible that one of the 3 is not related, but certainly my advice would be to wait folks. This could be related directly to branded phones, but not exactly sure and would only be speculation at this point. It's possible the DEV's are waiting on a few areas...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/pixel-bricked-overnight-t3681377
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/google-pixel-bricked-oreo-twice-ideas-t3671302

dantexaiver said:
I was just about to ask about the "State of Development" on the Pixel because I have been curious as to the lack of active development for Mods and ROMs. Hell my Wife's old Samsung Galaxy S4 still gets more development.
Could the A\B partitioning be a big factor in this?
I thought the Pixel would receive the same reaction like th Galaxy line and Google is a recognizable just like Samsung
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The dual partition s is the reason. It makes developing roms a real pain. Developers have now added a dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting devices.

I am usually a real patient guy, but I have to tell you, I am so over stock. I would never be rude enough to ask for an ETA, but cmon gentleman, I'm dieing here. Lol

Golf c said:
I am usually a real patient guy, but I have to tell you, I am so over stock. I would never be rude enough to ask for an ETA, but cmon gentleman, I'm dieing here. Lol
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Flash back to a nougat custom rom. Problem solved.

mitchdickson said:
Flash back to a nougat custom rom. Problem solved.
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Haha, not quite.

Recently got a pixel after years of sony phones and am awaiting some Oreo custom roms. It's great I'm getting the latest OS updates straight away but the downside I guess is the newness means custom roms take longer. Now there's a working TWRP I'm hopeful we'll start to see custom Oreo roms appearing.

zelendel said:
The dual partition s is the reason. It makes developing roms a real pain. Developers have now added a dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting devices.
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citation, please?
that seems a bit silly, because A/B partitions are the new standard. it won't just be Google phones using it... plus, there are non stock ROMs that have made the jump to A/B.... lots of app devs have too....
Frankly, while it may add some complexity, it is far better for upgrades over OTA and makes total sense that it would be the next iteration for rolling out upgrades.

nine7nine said:
citation, please?
that seems a bit silly, because A/B partitions are the new standard. it won't just be Google phones using it... plus, there are non stock ROMs that have made the jump to A/B.... lots of app devs have too....
Frankly, while it may add some complexity, it is far better for upgrades over OTA and makes total sense that it would be the next iteration for rolling out upgrades.
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It is the standard for Google device. Notice how only Google devices use it?
They are great if you stay stock. But not for rom development. As for your citation, you would have to talk to developers about it.
It is coming to the point that people will have to choice. Ota updates from Google or custom roms. Not gonna get both
A/b partition will be like many things gs that Google added that oem remove. Like adaptable storage.

zelendel said:
It is the standard for Google device. Notice how only Google devices use it?
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Motorola has been testing it, including a device that utilizes it now. Same goes with Xaoimi... Furthermore, a/b partition is a part of AOSP... Oreo devices going forward will be making use of Project Treble and I suspect in the next year, you are going to see more vendors adopting the new partition scheme.
On top of that, all new mediatek and Qualcomm SOCs will support A/b partition schemes.
https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-mi-a1-android-ab-partition/
https://www.xda-developers.com/moto-z2-force-ab-seamless-updates/
https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/156378/
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/ota/ab_updates
zelendel said:
They are great if you stay stock. But not for rom development. As for your citation, you would have to talk to developers about it.
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Um, no. it's perfectly reasonable for an end use running a custom ROM to want/expect OTA upgrades that uses seamless updating, where supported.... I've been involved in ROM development, in the past. thanks.... for someone developing a ROM; ya, you will be flashing your custom builds, but for an end user not building from AOSP, lineageOS repositories; OTA is far bore reasonable...
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It is coming to the point that people will have to choice. Ota updates from Google or custom roms. Not gonna get both
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lol. that comment makes zero sense, given the context... It's always been the case (for stock vs. custom roms) that you will be getting updates from one or the other, not both...
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IA/b partition will be like many things gs that Google added that oem remove. Like adaptable storage.
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We will see, but given that Qualcomm and mediatek will be supporting it going forward and the revelations and direction of Project treble && VTS; I suspect that a/b partitions will become the norm...
the only question is what will Samsung do for future devices, since they unlike most vendors produce their own SOCs/Exynos boards.... I guess we will see when the next galaxy line is released.

Why is that there is Hardly any content for pixel 2?

When I the I had nexus 5 there used to be loads of content in xda be it roms or mods. Now for the pixel 2 there is no custom rom to begin with. I understand the stock Google oreo is as good as ever but still the basic tweaks would add much more to it.
Is there any specific reason for this? May be Google's security is much complicated in oreo to implement changes in the stock rom?
I was just looking for dual speaker ring, status bar tweaks.

I hope to see more soon as well. Now that Verizon phones are on board for rooting there will probably be more devs getting their hands dirty.
Not to mention there are still only a few phones running Oreo. Right now it's just basically pixel owners. So all the mods made for other phones haven't been ported or upgraded.
I'll have this phone for the next two years I'm hoping there will be more with time.
I haven't even been able to get debian, Ubuntu, or Kali to work along side this phone yet. Proot and chroot don't seem to be working as they should. I tried 3 methods. Linux deploy, termux ,and using the nethunter module. Guess I'll just keep at it until New methods are found.

I assumed the Pixel line would just replace the Nexus line for modders. Sadly, that couldn't be further from the truth for either the Pixel 1 or 2. Which phone(s) have all the devs moved to?

teh_lorax said:
I assumed the Pixel line would just replace the Nexus line for modders. Sadly, that couldn't be further from the truth for either the Pixel 1 or 2. Which phone(s) have all the devs moved to?
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One plus because of the price
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Sman999 said:
Is there any specific reason for this? May be Google's security is much complicated in oreo to implement changes in the stock rom?
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The a/b bootloader partitions... No dedicated recovery.... Blah blah blah too much for me to understand but basically it's screwing with devs.

teh_lorax said:
I assumed the Pixel line would just replace the Nexus line for modders. Sadly, that couldn't be further from the truth for either the Pixel 1 or 2. Which phone(s) have all the devs moved to?
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I guess oneplus or Samsung. The later cuz the design is awesome but software experience is poor so if the software is improved it ll be awesome Samsung. ?

I wondered the same thing but then it dawned on me, I only rooted/ROM'd devices to run something that's a vanilla build of Android. That's what this is. There's a few nitpicky things that I would love to have but for the most part, I'm happy with it.

main reason for me is the PRICE.. if it was just priced same as the nexus 5, . thats why oneplus devices are being so favored

teh_lorax said:
I assumed the Pixel line would just replace the Nexus line for modders. Sadly, that couldn't be further from the truth for either the Pixel 1 or 2. Which phone(s) have all the devs moved to?
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pixel devices are no where near as easy to get roms on. Not only is the device tree clustered, but a b partitions, the trend of users demanding security, the expensive price of the device, the changes to the build process, and how Verizon royally made blobs more complicated contributed too.
I have brought up a few device tress before but I definitely had to debug the most for pixel 2. Theres an entire new flashing method and it doesn't help ramdisk is in system now.
Now after all that negativity, I can tell you I know of 4 roms actively working on roms. And two of them booting, including my shameless plug in p2xl forums of ABC Rom working with plenty of mods.
I'd say the good times are on their way, once one rom goes up more will pop up instantly.
Let's hope this helps start the domino effect.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pi...sp-tamien-8-1-opengapps-t3727948/post75108624

Surge1223 said:
pixel devices are no where near as easy to get roms on. Not only is the device tree clustered, but a b partitions, the trend of users demanding security, the expensive price of the device, the changes to the build process, and how Verizon royally made blobs more complicated contributed too.
I have brought up a few device tress before but I definitely had to debug the most for pixel 2. Theres an entire new flashing method and it doesn't help ramdisk is in system now.
Now after all that negativity, I can tell you I know of 4 roms actively working on roms. And two of them booting, including my shameless plug in p2xl forums of ABC Rom working with plenty of mods.
I'd say the good times are on their way, once one rom goes up more will pop up instantly.
Let's hope this helps start the domino effect.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pi...sp-tamien-8-1-opengapps-t3727948/post75108624
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Good to know you're busy helping us all with our crack flashing addiction. I can't wait for the goodies to start. Thank you and all the other devs. I've been waiting to unlock my bl because of lack of roms. Is bajasaur still in the game? I haven't really seen him since my note 3 days.

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Good to know you're busy helping us all with our crack flashing addiction. I can't wait for the goodies to start. Thank you and all the other devs. I've been waiting to unlock my bl because of lack of roms. Is bajasaur still in the game? I haven't really seen him since my note 3 days.
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Ironic you should ask..I helped him come back to the game today you could say lol

Looks like Dirty unicorns incoming...

I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.

Wickidmasshole said:
I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.
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I have mixed feelings. I rooted all 45 different Android phones I owned prior to my last 3 (essential, OnePlus 6, and more pixel 3A). I feel like these days there are way fewer reasons to use custom roms. Base Android has gotten really good, stock roms (for companies like OnePlus and essential) are stable and add lots of useful features, and the good manufacturers are doing updates multiple times a month anyways. We don't see crazy innovation like we did back in old paranoid Android days with projects like Halo and pie controls. And a lot of the real kernel developers like sultanxda moved on to other non-Android projects. It's a shame, but it helped push Google and it's partners into making better software. God knows how many features Google copied from custom roms. Kind of makes you wonder where we'll go from here now that roms are less of a necessity.

Yeah, I was on Android from day one and had been flashing the old windows phone before that. I've stopped installing roms on the last few phones however because I perceive them as worse than the stock software. I came here from a 6T which had a fair few ROMs but none that had the fingerprint sensor working correctly. I want that fingerprint sensor. There are other things but that's the idea, I used to see roms as a proposition where I gave up a few things but gained more than I lost. Now I don't see myself gaining much of anything that I'm not getting with a quick trip into Magisk with everything still working, but I do see things like that lost fingerprint sensor. It's kind of sad to me in a way because it was a bit like a hobby.

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I have mixed feelings. I rooted all 45 different Android phones I owned prior to my last 3 (essential, OnePlus 6, and more pixel 3A). I feel like these days there are way fewer reasons to use custom roms. Base Android has gotten really good, stock roms (for companies like OnePlus and essential) are stable and add lots of useful features, and the good manufacturers are doing updates multiple times a month anyways. We don't see crazy innovation like we did back in old paranoid Android days with projects like Halo and pie controls. And a lot of the real kernel developers like sultanxda moved on to other non-Android projects. It's a shame, but it helped push Google and it's partners into making better software. God knows how many features Google copied from custom roms. Kind of makes you wonder where we'll go from here now that roms are less of a necessity.
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I agree with you. I haven't rooted my past 4 (6, 6p, pixel xl, pixel 2 xl) probably bc they all ran "pure Google."
I do also have a note 9 att variant and I wanted to root and install custom on that device the 2nd day in.
But to have options is always a good thing. Keep it up devs!!!
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I can't get excited because I tried to figure out what features this rom has that would entice me to get into unlocking/etc and I can't find any sort of place where they actually tell you why you should install their mod. Their website still lists g+, to give an idea of how good their user communication is.

Is there any way I can get hotspot to work without having to use a custom rom

With magisk and Xposed, ROMs just aren't as necessary to me as they used to be, especially now that Google has made a good bit of functionality Pixel-only that isn't always replicated as well in ROMs.
There are still plenty of folks looking forward to them though, so this is definitely good news!

I stopped using custom roms when Marshmallow came out.
But I still use EX for the kernel..
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jmcandrews83 said:
Is there any way I can get hotspot to work without having to use a custom rom
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Yes, there's a build prop mod that pretty well known and works on any phone. Unfortunately you need an unlocked bootloader and root so no OTAs and you'll have to keep magisk updated to keep safety net working (it gets updated pretty often)

Heck I dont know why anyone would not want a custom rom. More options and features. Yeah stock has gone far these days but I will always welcome more development.

I can totally understand why people feel there isn't a need for root access or custom ROMs anymore. Stock has certainly improved a lot. I find it useful for a few things, though:
Limiting battery charge to 80% so it prolongs the life of my battery. It's important in a world where you can no longer change batteries with ease.
Swapping my back button on the nav bar to the right side
De-Googling my phone, i.e. installing LineageOS without GApps.

Hold on just a sec, for my part I didn't say anything about root, that's a must have for me. I also didn't say that I don't welcome the development, just that it probably wont be for me. Despite that I'm always glad to see it happen whether it is applicable to my use case or not. I certainly didn't mean to imply or say that ROM development is bad, I apologize if that was the connotation people got from my posts.

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Hold on just a sec, for my part I didn't say anything about root, that's a must have for me. I also didn't say that I don't welcome the development, just that it probably wont be for me. Despite that I'm always glad to see it happen whether it is applicable to my use case or not. I certainly didn't mean to imply or say that ROM development is bad, I apologize if that was the connotation people got from my posts.
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Hey, there! If you're replying to me, I'm sorry if I mislsed you. I didn't quote anyone because I was just referring to the general discussion from everyone.

Archangel said:
Heck I dont know why anyone would not want a custom rom. More options and features. Yeah stock has gone far these days but I will always welcome more development.
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Same here bro ...i love more options and features cuz then it feels like i have 3 different phones in 1 lmao
Stock is getting better but still a little boring for me

I just hope this isnt another one of those Pixel XL things where all of the development goes to the XL and nothing comes to the regular Pixel 3a

Looks like they released a release candidate.
http://download.dirtyunicorns.com/?device=bonito

Wickidmasshole said:
I was just checking out various customs threads & twitters and saw that DU had added Bonito to its official page as well as a screenshot on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/_DirtyUnicorns_/status/1129623484567621633?s=20
Im really hoping the dev community takes off for these devices like the old nexus days.
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I would think that would be the case - especially given the massive availability in North America alone. (I had a Galaxy Nexus and ran DU on it starting with Marshmallow and through Nougat - DU on a Pixel 3a XL would be - literally - Old Home Week and a good thing.) The ONLY reason I'm not running DU *now* is that I left the GNex for the Galaxy S7 Snapdragon - and not long after, the GNex croaked - it's now a paperweight.
If anything, the Pixel could be bigger than the Nexus line *ever* got to be - here is why:
1. First off, it can go to any carrier in North America - it's not restricted to Verizon Wireless.
2. Wide retail availablility - online my foot! I don't HATE online - I just prefer retail for things like phones (and that is despite being in the front yard of Amazon HQ2). And that is just the availability end.
3. Sane pricing - even, if not especially, in retail. ($479USD - as I stated before, that is the 3a XL - *half* the price of the S10e.) The S10e is pricier than the Note 9 - which is bad enough; to have the 3a XL undercut the same S10e by that much? Why would - or should- I buy an S10e? (And I don't hate the S10e - before the 3a and 3a XL came along, I was seriously considering the S10e, and I had actually seen it in retail and gotten some hands-on time with one - I haven't been able to do that with the 3a XL yet.)

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I just hope this isnt another one of those Pixel XL things where all of the development goes to the XL and nothing comes to the regular Pixel 3a
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The XL has been Google's AOSP build target with all the Pixels including 3a.

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The XL has been Google's AOSP build target with all the Pixels including 3a.
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So, I should return my 3a and get an XL for the dev support, you think?

jmtjr278 said:
So, I should return my 3a and get an XL for the dev support, you think?
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I suspect the XL will get more support. But I don't know enough about either device to be sure how development will progress.

pixel 2 xl to pixel 4a???

So I went from the pixel 2xl to the 4a.
Mainly because development was coming to a halt.
But seems that there is nothing going on with the 4a.
Did I pick the wrong phone to upgrade to.
What I really like about pixels is being able to use fastboot, the camera and not using a program like let's say odin.
Should I have picked up a OnePlus phone instead.
Are google phone just going down hill now a days.
I just would like honest answer not just the normal well you development the **** then. That response is getting old. Xda forms are a great place to asked and get answers. But does anyone have any good suggestions. Thank you

I did the same thing. So far there's a couple 11 ROMs available, Superior os and Derpfest. Hopefully things pick up soon.
If not I'll be giving this to my wife and getting a 4a5g or a 5

Edmontonchef said:
I did the same thing. So far there's a couple 11 ROMs available, Superior os and Derpfest. Hopefully things pick up soon.
If not I'll be giving this to my wife and getting a 4a5g or a 5
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4a 5g is way worse on development. They have proton kernel and that's it. We have some roms and some kernels. I think most custom roms just attempt to replicate vanilla android with useful features. I think that's why you have so few roms here. We already have vanilla. I think a ton of the features of customs from generations past have slowly made their way into vanilla and there aren't really a whole lot of features lacking. I realize some more customization in certain areas would be nice but we are on the right track. I don't even find root access to be 100% necessary out of the box anymore.
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If custom ROMs you are after head over to the project trebble page and flash a gsi.

ttocs99 said:
If custom ROMs you are after head over to the project trebble page and flash a gsi.
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Do they run well
A video I saw was saying that sometimes they don't work on all phones correctly
But I also don't know much about gsi roms
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I am getting ready to compile the kali nethunter kernel for our device. Maybe ill start porting some stuff too.

SirFronts said:
Do they run well
A video I saw was saying that sometimes they don't work on all phones correctly
But I also don't know much about gsi roms
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That's the point people! are using gsi on all kinds of devices but they should work fine on pixels. A lot of fixes has been implemented on most gsi. It's worth a shot and have nothing to loose as it's easy to fix a soft brick on pixel by fastboot flashing the 4a factory image.

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That's the point people! are using gsi on all kinds of devices but they should work fine on pixels. A lot of fixes has been implemented on most gsi. It's worth a shot and have nothing to loose as it's easy to fix a soft brick on pixel by fastboot flashing the 4a factory image.
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You are right that's the one thing I love about pixels.
I haven't bricked one yet. Gotta love flash-all lol.
That's why I didn't mind using OnePlus 7pro
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SirFronts said:
Are google phone just going down hill now a days.
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No, the opposite. On previous phones stock Android sucked so you had to faff about with unlocking bootloaders, flashing roms, getting help from incels with social problems (as you mentioned - "fix it yourself" type responses).
The pixel 4a is now as good as the best non-standard Android phones, like the OS on Honor/Huawei phones, so there's no longer any need to waste time risking bricking your phone with rom flashing and the like; it's pretty much perfect out of the box...well, nothing Nova Launcher won't fix.

Yep back in the day...3g days lol...root and roms were developed to improve devices overall. With the pixel line they really don't improve anything really. Now if someone ports say MIUI or something drastically different I will just stay stock. That's just me though.