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[Q] Search Issue?

All day today I have had an issue with Searches. I keep getting told it is temp unavailable.
Yet, when I go to Samsung S3 forums and click the links (such as General or Q&A sections they work just fine - my understanding of how forums work is those links are just Pre-set Searches.
I've changed nothing on my PC in weeks, but nobody else seems to be complaining about a problem and I noticed it this morning and it is now 6:30PM.
Is there an issue or is it me in some way?

Journyman16 said:
All day today I have had an issue with Searches. I keep getting told it is temp unavailable.
Yet, when I go to Samsung S3 forums and click the links (such as General or Q&A sections they work just fine - my understanding of how forums work is those links are just Pre-set Searches.
I've changed nothing on my PC in weeks, but nobody else seems to be complaining about a problem and I noticed it this morning and it is now 6:30PM.
Is there an issue or is it me in some way?
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Your understanding is incorrect. When you click a link, that takes you to a pre-defined place within the forum - as you can see from the forumdisplay.php?f= info.
The search feature goes up and down like a whore's drawers. Not really a problem - you can just use Google to carry out a site specific search if you need something. That's what I do most of the time anyway as I find it to be more accurate (not just for XDA, for for most web forums out there)

I have the same problem on my tapatalk so dont know if it is connected- i keep getting temporary unavailable for sewrch and for my previous oosts where im participating? What is up with that?
Simon i really dont understand ur answer to this question?
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asukaj said:
I have the same problem on my tapatalk so dont know if it is connected- i keep getting temporary unavailable for sewrch and for my previous oosts where im participating? What is up with that?
Simon i really dont understand ur answer to this question?
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The search feature often goes down - that is just life. When it does it affects other features as well, such as the "Participated threads" and "User's posts".
It affects the web-site, TapaTalk and XDA App at the same time and usually comes back up after a day or so - no big deal.
You can use Google if you need to search the XDA forums. Simply put "site:forum.xda-developers.com" before the text you want to search for and it will search XDA only.

Thanks for the explanation Simon. My thinking was that, when you click on (say) S3 Q&A link, the Search had to run to find and sort the threads into presentation order. To be able to take one to that forum without running a Search would seem to me to require every forum to be in its own database - that would seem remarkably inefficient in terms of server use. I just presumed all posts would be in a single DB (or maybe one for each sub-forum choice at top level, and indexed for efficiency.
Maybe I should set up a forum so I can learn how they work...
At any rate, it is working again now...

Journyman16 said:
To be able to take one to that forum without running a Search would seem to me to require every forum to be in its own database - that would seem remarkably inefficient in terms of server use.
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Different forum software works differently, but most of them keep the forum number in the database in the post's record, so a SELECT on that forum number returns a recordset of all posts in that forum. (The LIMIT clause limits the dataset to the posts you see - the first 10, 26-50, whatever.)
An efficient database can search a recordset of a few million records, with the database equivalent of a Search (a WHERE clause), in a second. The efficiency is determined by the code (which is usually pretty good these days) and the database (and MySQL, the one most commonly used on the web, is pretty efficient).
Search, OTOH, has additional code to "front end" the database with whatever random search criteria you set, so it's actually less efficient.

Custom/reliable rom/operating system

So I am going to post this here, because the development section is ferboten to people trying to offer useful suggestions. Geez, I hope this is the right section.
Let me set it up. ANDROID IS BASED ON THE LINUX KERNEL. Everything, and I mean everything after that fact becomes android and bloat. Given this as the basis of all things android, I have a simple set of guidelines that should be used to create a solid, reliable, bullet proof operating system for devices able to use the android operating system.
#1. Create the kernel boot section of the basic platform that supports the very basic hardware features, including touch screen, radios, power/charging/battery management, wifi, bluetooth, nearfield, audio, microphone, s-pen,etc. Basics only. Root access is standard and can be turnd on/off just like developwer functions. No special tricks or addon hoops to jump through.
#2 At this point STOP. Every single process or service to be run on the device from this point forward should be able to be individually selectable - or not. Yes, I understand that individual services or apps may have dependancies to other processes and that thouse need to be functional in order for a particular app to work. That is why, each additional service or app must list the dependencies and in the selection process, the installion will be required to verify you have the proper services installed and functioning, if not to list them and allow you to make the decision to proceed. Viola, we have NO MORE BLOAT WARE.
#3 Make selecting additional services/apps selection process a menu driven, tag selectable process. Make the unselection process smart to verify and identify the other apps dependant on the item you are killing/removing.
#4 Allow a built in snapshot option to capture the entire system as you have customized it for yourself and allow it to be backed up to external memory with the ability to bring it back, AT WILL. With no big hassles.
Those 4 items are a good start. By themselves alone, it would put all of us in the drivers seat of controlling and living with our devices.
I am aware that such a system is not for everyone. It does require some basic technical understanding of the process. But for the vast majority of users, I am certain, that an a la carte system is far superior to the bloated monstrosities being forced down our devices.
I would appreciate any refinements to my suggestions.

The silence is deafening. It has been days. Kind of says something, don't you think?

I am so very happy (not) that these boards a compartmentalized to the point where you can't get through.
Pretty much a waste of my valuable time, especially considering the fact that if my suggestions where applied, people would be clamoring for an installation with those features. I guess there is not much true "developer" in xdadevelopers anymore.
Funny guys, with the pay to remove ads spam here. Really? Why? For what.
I leave here disappointed. Not angry. Just sad.

I'm not a developer so I have nothing valuable to contribute to your suggestions in your original post but I can offer an observation regarding your perception of the level of contribution to your thread and that is the fact that is particular area of the forums probably isn't the ideal spot to have a discussion such as this. You figured that out already so sure you can call me Capt. Obvious if you wish but I'm just pointing out that yes the forums are compartmentalized (as you've stated) in such a way that development for each device is separated out. This development is centered around AOSP based ROMs or "stock" ROMs (using manufacturer released source) so if you're looking to have higher level discussions about what AOSP should look like then deep down at this device specific level probably isn't where you want to be. So there's that . . . then there's the fact that for this particular device you can basically hear a pin drop in the sub-forums as it is since nothing much is going on by way of development.
Where specifically such a discussion would see more input I'm not sure, perhaps the main general discussion section?

Thank you for your sobering reply. I get frustrated. Already had my post bounced out of "wrong" forum while trying to speak directly to "developers" (i wanted air quotes because the term does not accuratly describe its target) So I tried this. The note pro 12.0 is still the best hardware giving the ipad a run for its money. The problem its monkeyshines kiddie software running it, or not running, or barely running it. ANDROID, indian word for crappy wannabe software, developed by clueless kids.
Again, thanks for the gentle nudge. I appreciate someone willing to conduct a conversation

Are you looking for an Ubuntu or SUSE type of setup?
I think what you are looking for is similar to apt-get type of installs, I could be wrong of course. This might be helpful for many "users". I think one of the barriers is that there are slight differences between the models of tablets, and creating the logic to put in for the sub-dependencies might prove problematic. You might get more answers to this possibility by asking one of the developers directly and sharing with them. Not a developer myself.

Cannot use bluetooth: "Bluetooth Share keeps stopping"

Bluetooth share on my moto g5 plus doesn't work (Android 7.0). Every time I try to enable bluetooth, the application keeps stopping (crashes at startup).
I tried all of the suggestions I found on the net:
I disabled Google Play Protect
I reset all application settings
I cleared the application cache
I booted to safe mode
I even tried a factory reset
None of these solved the problem.
I got a backtrace but it doesn't look very useful to me (I'll try to attach it).
I noticed an empty /bt_firmware folder – is this normal? Should it contain something?
What could be the cause of this problem? How can I go about debugging it?

As a newbie, I cannot post a link to the backtrace, but it's quite long, so I'm not sure whether I should post it here…

lineinthesand said:
Bluetooth share on my moto g5 plus doesn't work (Android 7.0)...
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I don't have this device but, the following area of the forum is specific to your device.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus
With that stated...
This is a tough one for locating a thread reflecting this specific issue but, I'm hoping that you'll be able to obtain some member guidance within the following thread that's specific to your device.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3593531
Good Luck!
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Thanks for the hint!
I downloaded potter_NPNS25.137-93-4.zip from there, flashed it using twrp and rebooted. Now bluetooth works again. Even after reinstalling Magisk via twrp.

lineinthesand said:
Thanks for the hint! I downloaded potter_NPNS25.137-93-4.zip from there, flashed it using twrp and rebooted. Now bluetooth works again. Even after reinstalling Magisk via twrp.
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I'm happy to see that you had located a solution.
I'm not discouraging you from posting a question where you did but, often times, by searching, asking, etc... within the device specific area of the forum, your more likely to obtain something from someone who also has the same device.
Though, sometimes support can be better found elsewhere too...
I just try to help members by pointing the way to, hopefully, get what they need.
Good Luck!
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I just try to help members by pointing the way to, hopefully, get what they need.
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And I'm glad you did. I'm new to Smartphones and the xda forums. This place is huge and kind of intimidating. Often, you have to wade through pages and pages of answers, sorting out the "me too" and "thanks" postings until finding something useful. Finding the right place to ask questions and search for answers is not straightforward, IMO.

lineinthesand said:
And I'm glad you did. I'm new to Smartphones and the xda forums. This place is huge and kind of intimidating. Often, you have to wade through pages and pages of answers, sorting out the "me too" and "thanks" postings until finding something useful. Finding the right place to ask questions and search for answers is not straightforward, IMO.
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I'll give you a, brief, heads up regarding the way to search the XDA Forum...
Basically, the XDA Forum (like Google and many others) uses the Metadata system.
The optimal way (but, not the only way of course) to search for something somewhere that uses this system is very simply put using 1 word "Keyword(s)".
What do I mean by keyword?
For example...
[I'm just going to try to explain this briefly because there's more to it but, you should get the point from the following.]
If I'm looking for a way to Root the Galaxy S3, I would remember to omit words like "AND", "OR", "IF", "I", etc...
If you search using something like "How do I Root the Galaxy S3", your results will be huge and would include results that only have (or a combination of) specific words like "the", "I", "Do", etc...
So you would use keyword searching like "S3 Root", "GS3 Root", etc... as well as other keywords that describe the device.
This is not a thorough and complete description (I do intend to create a Guide/Tutorial regarding this sometime) but, it should give you an idea.
I do wish you the best of luck!!!
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Sort threads chronologically

Why can I not sort list of threads chronologically by post/edit date? Shouldn't logic dictate this as a default sort arrangement? This has perplexed me from day one.
You get a device and want the latest developement, but there's no direct way to do so. Noobs are the default moderators of a software engineering forum, and after all these years I'm still astounded.

ssurell said:
Why can I not sort list of threads chronologically...........
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Be sure to be logged in first...
Go to the following link and scroll down to "Thread Display Mode" and select your threads display preference from there...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/profile.php?do=editoptions
... Once your done, scroll down to the bottom and select "Save Changes".
Good Luck!
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Ibuprophen said:
Be sure to be logged in first...
Go to the following link and scroll down to "Thread Display Mode" and select your threads display preference from there...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/profile.php?do=editoptions
... Once your done, scroll down to the bottom and select "Save Changes".
Good Luck!
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UNLESS asked to do so, PLEASE don't PM me regarding support. Sent using The ClaRetoX Forum App on my Enigma Machine {aenigma = Latin for "Riddle"}.
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No problem with the default sort of posts within the thread, they're sorted chronologically. If only the thread lists had the same option (by date of the first post being the thread starter); because the last one to post is typically someone who hasn't searched the thread, yet is now at the top of the thread list. So obsolete threads and bad attempts at development and/or thread support get rewarded with lots of posts asking for help, sorting those threads to the top of the list.
The bottome line is to be able to study the progressive development of a device from square one in order to get up to speed and contribute, or jump to the cutting edge of it's open source development. There's currently no straightfoward mechanism to do either with the sorting system in place. It's hobbled, confusing/frustrating, due to being contrary to logical discovery modes.

ssurell said:
No problem with the default sort of posts within the thread, they're sorted chronologically. If only the thread lists had the same option (by date of the first post being the thread starter); because the last one to post is typically someone who hasn't searched the thread, yet is now at the top of the thread list. So obsolete threads and bad attempts at development and/or thread support get rewarded with lots of posts asking for help, sorting those threads to the top of the list.
The bottome line is to be able to study the progressive development of a device from square one in order to get up to speed and contribute, or jump to the cutting edge of it's open source development. There's currently no straightfoward mechanism to do either with the sorting system in place. It's hobbled, confusing/frustrating, due to being contrary to logical discovery modes.
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This forum is designed to show the threads with the most recent posts at the top of the list. Threads with older posts are listed last.
It is done this way to keep the most active threads at the top, this keeps members from having to sort through all the threads looking for relevant threads that are still actively being posted in, this keeps everything current instead of throwing up a bunch of old stuff that most people aren't even looking for.
Sent from my LGL84VL using Tapatalk

Experience with ASHA (Hearing aids)

I'm looking for information pairing bluetooth hearing aids with the 8T. Evidently there is something known as ASHA that the phone needs to be compatible with.
My problem is, I just got hearing aids for the first time and the app from the manufacturer connects fine to the hearing aids and allows me to control the volume but it does not stream audio to the devices.
Anyone with knowledge of this?

Go into accessibility, hearing enhancements, hearing aid support. Your Bluetooth should be on and link it to the device.
Does the aid manufacturer have an Android app?

blackhawk said:
Go into accessibility, hearing enhancements, hearing aid support. Your Bluetooth should be on and link it to the device.
Does the aid manufacturer have an Android app?
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They do have an Android app. I was able to find in the accessibility settings an option to enable hearing aids, but so far still no streaming audio.

Look in Developer options too.
Sound and connection settings.
Android tends to bury advanced settings well.

blackhawk said:
Look in Developer options too.
Sound and connection settings.
Android tends to bury advanced settings well.
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I think I'm finding out from the manufacturer of the hearing aids that it's only compatible with Androids with a separate device that goes between the hearing aids and the phone.

What do the specs for the hearing aid say?

There is only a small statement on the manufacturer's website that lists the devices they are compatable with and the 8T is in their list. It is compatable with their app that controls the volume of the hearing aids. But there is supposed to be more options like streaming media and phone calls. I'm just going to have to switch brands of hearing aids to one that works because I am not switching to an iPhone, I refuse!

You'll need to do some heavy reading to sort this out. I know very little of the protocols and what's available. Start doing searches and collecting links etc...

I am in the same boat - I have an Umidigi A9, and the Chinese devs have not yet included ASHA support (even though ASHA is available as of Android 10). I am exploring the possibility of rooting my phone to manually include ASHA support.

Do a Google search for "Android ASHA compatible phones" and see what devices your manufacturer supports.
Samsungs tend to have user and bt friendly/customizable UI's, however not sure if this extends to ASHA devices.

blackhawk said:
Do a Google search for "Android ASHA compatible phones" and see what devices your manufacturer supports.
Samsungs tend to have user and bt friendly/customizable UI's, however not sure if this extends to ASHA devices.
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I already know my device is not officially compatible; my goal is to make it compatible.

sacrophyte said:
I already know my device is not officially compatible; my goal is to make it compatible.
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You might find something specific for that device on the Samsung or similar forums.
The Samsung one is fairly large and occasionally helpful. Not the right manufacturer but it may give you some ideas.

blackhawk said:
You might find something specific for that device on the Samsung or similar forums.
The Samsung one is fairly large and occasionally helpful. Not the right manufacturer but it may give you some ideas.
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will do, thanks

blackhawk said:
You might find something specific for that device on the Samsung or similar forums.
The Samsung one is fairly large and occasionally helpful. Not the right manufacturer but it may give you some ideas.
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Sorry for another response/question - the Samsung forum is HUGE, with a ton of subforums. Have any specific forum in mind that I can post to? I was not able to find a general Samsung forum - seems like I have to pick a specific product first.

sacrophyte said:
Sorry for another response/question - the Samsung forum is HUGE, with a ton of subforums. Have any specific forum in mind that I can post to? I was not able to find a general Samsung forum - seems like I have to pick a specific product first.
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Use Google search, that's what I do.
Just add "samsung forum" or such to the search.
Playing around with the search parameters may lead to other sites as well.
When I tried a search not a lot popped up, but I only tried for a few minutes.
Try this search if you haven't already: "One plus phone,ASHA (Hearing aids)"