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Hey guys,
I know there are plenty of people working on finding a method for root, it's difficult, not trying to ask when it's going to be or why it's taking so long. I'm just wondering if it will even be possible, given HTC doesn't ever unlock the phone themselves. I love the One X, just got it and I think it's great, but I know that I'm going to eventually want to install MIUI or CM, and since my phone has 2.2 there's basically no way to do that right now.
Reading through some of the dev/think tank threads, I've read a couple of comments alluding to the idea that it might be impossible unless HTC unlocks it, and that they might not. Seems contrary to what I've seen in the past, pretty much every phone I or my friends have had got cracked at some point. Still, if it's not going to be possible ever, I might want to return my phone and switch it out for the SGS3 or some other.
I tried to Google for unrootable android phones and couldn't find any. However the percentage of devices using ics is very small and the only ones that have root as far as I can tell all have unlocked bootloaders.
It's very difficult to remain positive but I'm trying.
gunnyman said:
I tried to Google for unrootable android phones and couldn't find any. However the percentage of devices using ics is very small and the only ones that have root as far as I can tell all have unlocked bootloaders.
It's very difficult to remain positive but I'm trying.
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Y'all are so impatient!
Like any security, it just takes enough careful effort and determination to defeat. As great as the One X is, I have no doubt there will be enough of both to get this done. :good:
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I've read a couple of comments alluding to the idea that it might be impossible unless HTC unlocks it
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I don't have the technical expertise to really say. But just from experience, I can say that HTC has been desperately trying to lock down their phones for over 2 years (maybe longer, that is justs when I jumped into the Android game) with some pretty sophisticated safeguards, and the phones have still been rooted, often very quickly. I don't think HTC has magically gotten better at securing their devices, to the point that the phone is now impossible to root. In particular, our device was rooted (1.73 firmware) something like 3 days after it was released, even with the locked bootloader and all the security that HTC could throw on it at the time. Its just my feeling that its really doubtful that HTC can go from that point, to making the device impossible to root in the matter of a few months..
Seen this new root method here on xda, any idea if compatible with our 1X?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1870652
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C3RGIOSE1 said:
Seen this new root method here on xda, any idea if compatible with our 1X?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1870652
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Apparently not: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31435583#post31435583
Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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Dude, there's honestly no point. Ive been on xda for about 10 years and ive always need to root every single android phone ive owned. Until recently, Samsung started making pretty good android phones starting with the s6 and up. I had no reason to root my s6, note 5, and now no reason to root my s7 edge. Im not saying you should have no need to root yours, i just feel like Samsung and android have come a long way and nowadays rooting serves no purpose;for me at least. Is rooting worth losing Samsung pay or any other security features we need to protect us? Not really. Also, Samsung can change their policies as they please, you still bought their phone. Rooting died a couple years ago, move on. Best of luck with your petition.
No point is simply just not true. I haven't even looked at a Samsung until the S6 last year and I got the M9 instead. Now with HTC dumping boomsound on the M10 I switched after 8 HTC phones. While I agree Samsung has come a long way not only in hardware but software and you can do more things now without root I still miss it a lot. Have this phone a week now, not having root sucks. It's just not the same. While yes you can do quite a bit without it, there is still plenty missing. People saying that root is dead or they don't need it is just denial for the fact that things have got so locked down it's not worth justifying the hassle which might just be true.
Let's say knox was never developed, triangle away still worked so you could also go back to stock and you could flash away with an unlocked bootloader everyone would be singing a totally different tune and you guys would be rooted. Now that Samsung has total control, we have to justify it to ourselves on why it makes sense not to root which frankly right now I think is the case.
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Dude, there's honestly no point. Ive been on xda for about 10 years and ive always need to root every single android phone ive owned. Until recently, Samsung started making pretty good android phones starting with the s6 and up. I had no reason to root my s6, note 5, and now no reason to root my s7 edge. Im not saying you should have no need to root yours, i just feel like Samsung and android have come a long way and nowadays rooting serves no purpose;for me at least. Is rooting worth losing Samsung pay or any other security features we need to protect us? Not really. Also, Samsung can change their policies as they please, you still bought their phone. Rooting died a couple years ago, move on. Best of luck with your petition.
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Its all good if you have no interest then that's fine but I for one do. I hate touchjiz and the bloatware that is just the tip of the iceberg. Rooting will never die maybe some people don't but most that have rooted will always want it. Thanks for your input though. Without root we really don't have any need for a development section so this forum will likely die. I'm jumping ship to the lg g5 until samsung does something if they ever do.
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Its all good if you have no interest then that's fine but I for one do. I hate touchjiz and the bloatware that is just the tip of the iceberg. Rooting will never die maybe some people don't but most that have rooted will always want it. Thanks for your input though. Without root we really don't have any need for a development section so this forum will likely die. I'm jumping ship to the lg g5 until samsung does something if they ever do.
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I personally have no problem with Samsung locking things down. In fact for the general pop it will be great, but since we live in the free world it Samsung should still allow the option of choice. As long as they have the proper disclaimer in place that warns of consequences the one can make the decision. I think the big reason for the locked bootloader has to do with carriers leasing the phones. Since rooting breaks the pay app and can't reversed. Just imagine if you got a previous leased phone and the pay app doesn't work. What samsung should do is allow for a complete reset factory action including knox. Maybe not have it available to the general public but maybe the carriers or somewhere higher up. This would give the best of both worlds.
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Dude, there's honestly no point. Ive been on xda for about 10 years and ive always need to root every single android phone ive owned. Until recently, Samsung started making pretty good android phones starting with the s6 and up. I had no reason to root my s6, note 5, and now no reason to root my s7 edge. Im not saying you should have no need to root yours, i just feel like Samsung and android have come a long way and nowadays rooting serves no purpose;for me at least. Is rooting worth losing Samsung pay or any other security features we need to protect us? Not really. Also, Samsung can change their policies as they please, you still bought their phone. Rooting died a couple years ago, move on. Best of luck with your petition.
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Dude you've been here 5 years. I've been here 7. Neither of which matters. Rooting didn't die any more than rock and roll did when disco came along.
I drive a semi and without root I can't get the headphone, or bluetooth, volumes high enough when running through the trucks stereo. And before you start talking about headphones, those that cover both ears are illegal and i don't like listening through only one ear. So I want root. If you don't that's wonderful for you, but please don't step onto a developers board, claim seniority you just don't have, and try to tell people the board has become meaningless.
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Dude you've been here 5 years. I've been here 7. Neither of which matters. Rooting didn't die any more than rock and roll did when disco came along.
I drive a semi and without root I can't get the headphone, or bluetooth, volumes high enough when running through the trucks stereo. And before you start talking about headphones, those that cover both ears are illegal and i don't like listening through only one ear. So I want root. If you don't that's wonderful for you, but please don't step onto a developers board, claim seniority you just don't have, and try to tell people the board has become meaningless.
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This is my second account ive definitely been here since the palm and original HTC touch days with Windows pocket lol. But to the point, rooting is dead per se, but there's definitely less of a reason to do so these days. Touch wiz is damn near perfect. Even for those thay dont like it can slap a launcher on it. I see no purpose to root, i can block ads with ad guard. Also stock android doesnt have all the bells and whistles either so id rsther stay stock. Again, i know others may need it, but i was simply saying its pointless thess days. I still come here for many other things, just not to root.
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kennypow3rs said:
This is my second account ive definitely been here since the palm and original HTC touch days with Windows pocket lol.
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I stand corrected.
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Again, i know others may need it, but i was simply saying its pointless these days.
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Are not 'needed' and 'pointless' antonyms? You just refuted your own statement.
And I don't use stock android. I use rooted and modded versions of Sprint's base ROM. The only stock versions I have truly liked and used are by Temesek, and those tend to be few and far between on Sprint variants.
I also never use Touchwiz. It's been NovaLauncher for years now for me. And I just prefer all the little conveniences and tweaks that you can make with root. Like an extended power menu without having to add more apps from Google Play. And several diagnostic tools I use to troubleshoot when I have a weak or slow signal where I shouldn't.
So I'm really happy that your content to live with what Samsung and Sprint deign to allow you, I'm not. And since these boards seem to be doing just fine, I would guess that there are enough people who agree with me to make your opinion not nearly as wide spread as you believe it to be.
And one final question, if you believe rooting is pointless and dead, why are you still on these boards?
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I stand corrected.
Are not 'needed' and 'pointless' antonyms? You just refuted your own statement.
And I don't use stock android. I use rooted and modded versions of Sprint's base ROM. The only stock versions I have truly liked and used are by Temesek, and those tend to be few and far between on Sprint variants.
I also never use Touchwiz. It's been NovaLauncher for years now for me. And I just prefer all the little conveniences and tweaks that you can make with root. Like an extended power menu without having to add more apps from Google Play. And several diagnostic tools I use to troubleshoot when I have a weak or slow signal where I shouldn't.
So I'm really happy that your content to live with what Samsung and Sprint deign to allow you, I'm not. And since these boards seem to be doing just fine, I would guess that there are enough people who agree with me to make your opinion not nearly as wide spread as you believe it to be.
And one final question, if you believe rooting is pointless and dead, why are you still on these boards?
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I still come here for other things, like questions i may have, apps, reviews, and ive been here for so long i still help others when i can. Its still a community i am apart of regardless if i root or not.
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Root or not to root is a matter of opinion, I think it is far from dead or useless imo.
I have rooted every phone I have ever had that it was capable on within 24 hours of getting the phone just because I want to put on the phone what I want not what Samsung thinks I want.
I don't fit well with the masses and rooting let's me be that way with my phone....
That said this has been seen before on other devices and has been worked around by the amazing devs on this sight.
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Rooting will never die unless the manufacturers kill it. It has too much of a following with people that love to root and need to root. So yes no root is a huge deal for me I'm coming from a Nexus 6 where I had multirom and weekly updates. The phone never gets boring when it is unleashed and rootable. I have had the Edge for about a week and I'm already bored/frustrated with it. I'm going to the Sprint store today to try and return it. My Nexus 6 flies compared to the S7 Edge even though its specs are way better. Hardware can only get you so far the software is what makes the phone fly. The stock S7 Edge has so much BS bloatware and unneeded stuff that slows it down significantly. Give me the international one and maybe I would keep it. Also, the Samsung pay is a joke for me because it doesn't support any of my banks or cards. I will be preordering the LG G5 or waiting for the next Nexus.
We should have the option.
I don't really need to root today, because I primarily use the phone for business and I don't want to have it down because I change my mind on which ROM to pick every 6 hours.
But I want the option to get rid of the ****, yes, ****, they put on this phone. Why they load junk I can't get rid of is beyond me.
If we can't control the phone, I'll have to jump off the Samsung bandwagon next year...no matter how good they make it.
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brendan802 said:
Anybody interested in the bootloader and unlocking it I encourage you to sign this petition. These phones are ours to use how we see fit and the more noise we make the better our chances are. I bought this phone under the assumption that nothing had changed and for Samsung to change their policies without notice isn't acceptable for me and hopefully you as well. Thank you
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Is there one for Sprint? This petition does not go to them at all.
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So I've had this thought about this locked bootloader problem. I am not sure if this is a viable solution or whether it would even work. I was thinking that our European brethren has an unlocked bootloader. Would there be a way to Odin their bootloader on our devicesor would the fact that they have a different processor be a problem. Because in theory if we had a Samsung sign Odin file of with an unlocked bootloader we should be able to Odin and have a unlocked bootloader, no? Or is there more to it than that?
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So I've had this thought about this locked bootloader problem. I am not sure if this is a viable solution or whether it would even work. I was thinking that our European brethren has an unlocked bootloader. Would there be a way to Odin their bootloader on our devicesor would the fact that they have a different processor be a problem. Because in theory if we had a Samsung sign Odin file of with an unlocked bootloader we should be able to Odin and have a unlocked bootloader, no? Or is there more to it than that?
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Good question. But no, it would not work. Not even because it's a different processor, which that is part. But say if T Mobile got an unlocked bootloader, it would not work for Sprint. Nor would it necessarily help to know how it happened and use it as a road map to unlock another carrier's bl.
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mkeller96 said:
Rooting will never die unless the manufacturers kill it. It has too much of a following with people that love to root and need to root. So yes no root is a huge deal for me I'm coming from a Nexus 6 where I had multirom and weekly updates. The phone never gets boring when it is unleashed and rootable. I have had the Edge for about a week and I'm already bored/frustrated with it. I'm going to the Sprint store today to try and return it. My Nexus 6 flies compared to the S7 Edge even though its specs are way better. Hardware can only get you so far the software is what makes the phone fly. The stock S7 Edge has so much BS bloatware and unneeded stuff that slows it down significantly. Give me the international one and maybe I would keep it. Also, the Samsung pay is a joke for me because it doesn't support any of my banks or cards. I will be preordering the LG G5 or waiting for the next Nexus.
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I would suggest waiting to see if the bootloader is locked down on the lg g5 before ordering. I was not planning to root my s7e, but I must say I was curious to see what this powerhouse was capable of if unleashed from touchwiz,sadly I will never know.:crying:
Anyone else receive an OTA update this morning from Sprint? Took about 15 minutes to download and install.
I'm now showing software version G935PVPU2APC5.
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Anyone else receive an OTA update this morning from Sprint? Took about 15 minutes to download and install.
I'm now showing software version G935PVPU2APC5.
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I have Ota's stopped, but i haveapb5.
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I have a sneaky suspicion that the Sprint S7 & S7 Edge will end up just like the
ATT Note 5 and S6 Edge/Edge+ phones and will NEVER have root. LOL
I would strongly advice & suggest NOT to get rid of your current rooted phones at least not yet!!!
(unless you buy a different brand which can be rooted)
Have a great day!
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So I've had this thought about this locked bootloader problem. I am not sure if this is a viable solution or whether it would even work. I was thinking that our European brethren has an unlocked bootloader. Would there be a way to Odin their bootloader on our devicesor would the fact that they have a different processor be a problem. Because in theory if we had a Samsung sign Odin file of with an unlocked bootloader we should be able to Odin and have a unlocked bootloader, no? Or is there more to it than that?
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I have the firmware for the Chinese model s7 edge it is the closest match to ours and the firmware will not load in odin. It checks against the model and csc codes so we couldn't even cross flash with t-mobiles firmware. I have the bootloader posted over in t-mobile forums and a few people are poking around to see what can be done. Unfortunately bootloader and hardware hacks are nothing I have ever done before.
Seems like every phone has problems and Android itself has endless problems. The Nexus 6P has an LTE bug where you can't receive calls and it hasn't been fixed in months. The OnePlus forums are full of people hating their phones and the latest OTA for Marshmallow bricks some of their phones. I don't know what to buy. There are lots of complaints about the S7 here also. I am coming from BlackBerry and was totally satisfied but there is no way to live in the modern world without an Android phone or iPhone it seems.
Is the S7 still worth buying, all else considered equal?
I guess main problem is Android 6.
Further, you have to worry about Samsung knox, locked bootloader, etc. when you want to root.
But, the device itself is great. Just use another launcher and you will be happy (at least, I am... except for worrying that root may be gone due to updates on day)
Oh, also, I disabled all updates, so no security updates aer installed. That might be a problem too...
I am not sure I want to root. This will be my first Android phone. I need it for work and travelling and it has to work. I know the device itself is great and I really want one. I just don't know if I missed something since now that the phone has been out for a while people are complaining as much about this phone as every other phone
I don't know anything about launchers or Android or anything. How can I get started learning after I buy a phone? Thank you.
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I am not sure I want to root. This will be my first Android phone. I need it for work and travelling and it has to work. I know the device itself is great and I really want one. I just don't know if I missed something since now that the phone has been out for a while people are complaining as much about this phone as every other phone
I don't know anything about launchers or Android or anything. How can I get started learning after I buy a phone? Thank you.
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If you don't know anything about root, android, whatsoever, you won't have to worry. Just buy the thing and it'll work. That's enough for the average crowd. The non average are reading/posting on xda They want to know the ins and outs of their device. They want control of their device without being restricted by anything or anyone.
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If you don't know anything about root, android, whatsoever, you won't have to worry. Just buy the thing and it'll work. That's enough for the average crowd. The non average are reading/posting on xda They want to know the ins and outs of their device. They want control of their device without being restricted by anything or anyone.
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Oh I respect that completely. I am a developer and I have played around with phones in the old days, had a hacked Nokia with custom startup etc. As far as this device goes at this point I am too busy with other things and don't expect to play around with it. There is only so much time in a day!
I know you guys are the experts which is why I am asking. As far as Android itself goes, I hate it. It has a worse security track record than Windows and the quality is worse too! They just found the whole disk encryption with Qualcomm chips is broken[1][2][3]. It's one gigantic embarassment after the next with Android.
I want something that's going to work as well as possible given the crappy software environment it has to work with. If it wasn't for you brave guys breaking your phones the rest of us wouldn't have access to anything nearly as good as we have now! Thanks!
[1] https://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/06/extracting-qualcomms-keymaster-keys.html
[2] http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-crack-android-encryption-on-millions-of-smartphones/
[3] https://lwn.net/Articles/693115/
Always remember people never go online to write compliments. I personally love this phone. There is also a google+ community where you will get some honest feedback. Most people in that community will be honest about their experience as well as here.
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Oh I respect that completely. I am a developer and I have played around with phones in the old days, had a hacked Nokia with custom startup etc. As far as this device goes at this point I am too busy with other things and don't expect to play around with it. There is only so much time in a day!
I know you guys are the experts which is why I am asking. As far as Android itself goes, I hate it. It has a worse security track record than Windows and the quality is worse too! They just found the whole disk encryption with Qualcomm chips is broken[1][2][3]. It's one gigantic embarassment after the next with Android.
I want something that's going to work as well as possible given the crappy software environment it has to work with. If it wasn't for you brave guys breaking your phones the rest of us wouldn't have access to anything nearly as good as we have now! Thanks!
[1] https://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/06/extracting-qualcomms-keymaster-keys.html
[2] http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-crack-android-encryption-on-millions-of-smartphones/
[3] https://lwn.net/Articles/693115/
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Exploits are found all the time on ios,Windows and a android, basically if it's a system built by humans there's almost always going to be some type of flaw somewhere. As much as this is pretty big one the chances of it actually affecting you are probably nil. I would get the device and enjoy it for what it is, rather than worrying over this and that.
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I don't think that's true. There are more fanboys for Samsung phones than people willing to bash something they spent 800 bucks on.
I saw some scary threads here like the one on broken rear camera lenses. The replacements are on ebay by the millions already. I don't understand how companies can put out faulty products and charge so much for them. But silly me, I ordered one yesterday. It hasn't shipped yet. But I'll be unhappy if it has problems. It's supposed to be the best you can get. What else is there?
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So I am currently running a rooted S4 and am thinking it's time to upgrade. And don't hate me for asking this: Now that we have root available for the S7, is this the phone to get or should I hold out to see what the next Nexus phone actually is? Would like to keep the SD card port that doesn't seem to appear in any of the nexus rumors. Am worried that now the root method is out, it'll be patched before the Nexus release and my choice becomes moot. Thanks.
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So I am currently running a rooted S4 and am thinking it's time to upgrade. And don't hate me for asking this: Now that we have root available for the S7, is this the phone to get or should I hold out to see what the next Nexus phone actually is? Would like to keep the SD card port that doesn't seem to appear in any of the nexus rumors. Am worried that now the root method is out, it'll be patched before the Nexus release and my choice becomes moot. Thanks.
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If I could choose, then I would get a device with 128Gb memory without SD card.
Why? Because google f*cked up Android with SD cards. They just don't get it that we want control over the media on the SD card!
But, I like this S7 because of the camera, display and weather proof (let's try to be careful and don't drop the phone in the toilet please...)
I have a question about the charging animation with Validus-draconis -7.1.1.Release.v13-OFFICIAL-20170128- 0315 the charging animation that I mean is the one when the phone is off but plugged in on my zte zmax the backlight won't turn off how do I fix this? I like this ROM a lot I really do and I must say to ground zero u guys did a great job but I really need some help on this one if someone out there can help.
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I have a question about the charging animation with Validus-draconis -7.1.1.Release.v13-OFFICIAL-20170128- 0315 the charging animation that I mean is the one when the phone is off but plugged in on my zte zmax the backlight won't turn off how do I fix this? I like this ROM a lot I really do and I must say to ground zero u guys did a great job but I really need some help on this one if someone out there can help.
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Official support for that device was dropped a long time ago, no one currently on the team owns one.
Crap and got ya I'm guessing that also means u don't have a direction to suggest for me to look toward to fix that on a phone in general. It honestly sucks that it was discontinued cuz I do honestly like this phone and can't get new one till tax time and wish I could work out the few issues with this ROM on this phone so after I get new phone I can use this one as gameboy etc.... If u know what I mean but anyway ty for the reply and if u think of anything plz feel free to pass idea
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Crap and got ya I'm guessing that also means u don't have a direction to suggest for me to look toward to fix that on a phone in general. It honestly sucks that it was discontinued cuz I do honestly like this phone and can't get new one till tax time and wish I could work out the few issues with this ROM on this phone so after I get new phone I can use this one as gameboy etc.... If u know what I mean but anyway ty for the reply and if u think of anything plz feel free to pass idea
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Not sure what to tell you, 7.1.1 was a long time ago and I don't remember running into that issue on my devices. I know what it's like having to wait to upgrade, wish I could be more help
I know it's been a while but I have odd request
As I was told a while back no one here has a z970 anymore if I bought a few extras and mailed them to you guys would anyone be willing to help me finish validus for the zmax? I'm paying.... Let me know I Wana finish it but can't alone
So wait I know its been a while since anyone besides me even looked at this but I got last few questions suck as ota update option was there any updates ever? If so how do I download them it just says error downloading when I try. Also is there anyone who would be interested in helping me make this ROM current again and many add to it I'm thinking about buying a few z970s and mailing them out to ppl who would like to if there is anyone else out there except me ice be willing to pay idk why I'm obsessed on this topic but I am lol let me know please and ty
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So wait I know its been a while since anyone besides me even looked at this but I got last few questions suck as ota update option was there any updates ever? If so how do I download them it just says error downloading when I try. Also is there anyone who would be interested in helping me make this ROM current again and many add to it I'm thinking about buying a few z970s and mailing them out to ppl who would like to if there is anyone else out there except me ice be willing to pay idk why I'm obsessed on this topic but I am lol let me know please and ty
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The zmax has been out for over 6 years now and development for it has been dead since about 2016. As far as the stock firmware goes it was never updated past android 4.4. Everything 5.0 and up came in the form of custom roms. As for buying multiple Z970 phones and sending them to people to try to revive development for it, good luck. It was a budget phone from the moment it came out and by today's standards its specs are abysmal. I seriously doubt any developer worth their salt would be interested. The best advice I can give you is to just get a better, newer phone, and if you want custom roms look for one that's already supported. If you need to go back to stock there should be some stock rom zips you can flash through TWRP. I know at one point I had them on android file host, though I haven't checked in years.
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The zmax has been out for over 6 years now and development for it has been dead since about 2016. As far as the stock firmware goes it was never updated past android 4.4. Everything 5.0 and up came in the form of custom roms. As for buying multiple Z970 phones and sending them to people to try to revive development for it, good luck. It was a budget phone from the moment it came out and by today's standards its specs are abysmal. I seriously doubt any developer worth their salt would be interested. The best advice I can give you is to just get a better, newer phone, and if you want custom roms look for one that's already supported. If you need to go back to stock there should be some stock rom zips you can flash through TWRP. I know at one point I had them on android file host, though I haven't checked in years.
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Got ya any idea on the backlight issue for charge animations or how to change them on this phone I've tried everything I can think of with no luck
Xiaomi implemented anti-rollback feature ( more like a headache) with miui 8.7.6. In this thread I will tell you my experience:
So, I was just browsing through mi community and this post about anti-rollback caught my attention. I wasn't much concerned about it and thought why would someone want to downgrade their phone, I didn't read it completely and that was my mistake. So, you see I had flashed miui 8.7.5 from twrp and did ota update of 8.7.12 to save data as ota is smaller. Now I don't know why but I thought of installing Xposed on my phone. I flashed it and my phone entered bootloop. As this was not knew I calmly booted to twrp and flashed the file of 8.7.5 and pressed reboot.... 1 sec nothing, 2 sec nothing, 3 second nothing and in the 4th second I realised what I had done. I had become a victim of the outrageously implemented anti roll back feature. I left my phone and the next day I found it was alarmingly warm. It stayed warm for like 36 hours and then the battery died. I didn't have time so my phone was a paperweight for 1 week. Then on Saturday( this incident happened three weeks earlier on Sunday) I took it to the middle service centre. Actually around the same time as me a YouTuber named "tech star shahrukh" had bricked his device and posted a video telling how he got his motherboard change. I was sure that service center guys would ask me to pay if I told them the actual reason, so I told them my phone got dead when updating to miui 10. The guy told me with great confidence that they will repair it in two hours, I said ok. Here comes the interesting part. Now I being one of the more stupid personality had actually washed my phone under a tap a long time ago and that had lead to water in my charging board. He told me that I will need to pay 800 INR for the repair, thankfully the motherboard had not got water( they have these little white stickers that turn red on water contact). So I paid an advance 500 and waited. After about 3 days I got a call saying my sub board( charging board) was replaced and any further repairs would come under warranty. I was happy. So after exactly one week of submitting my phone and almost 2 weeks after bricking it, I got it back. Motherboard changed and with miui 9.2.4. So, that was my experience with anti roll back. Thankfully I replaced INR 8000 motherboard by paying 800.
Now it is showing 9.2.13 update, but I won't update. I have had enough of xiaomi. 2 weeks without my phone is just not worth a feeble security feature. So, what are your thoughts on this?are you happy with the current implementation (absolutely not). Suggest how do you think this feature should be implemented.
So you washed your phone and what it has to do with ARB?
Or if I do not understand you right, correcr me.
Arb was implemented for people to stay on latest firmware, as any manufacturer wants to owners be, I totally agree with that, except it was introduced silently which lead to many troubles. Personally I think there was major security bug in previous rom, thats why they changed arb to 4 in that firmware.
d1g1m4n said:
So you washed your phone and what it has to do with ARB?
Or if I do not understand you right, correcr me.
Arb was implemented for people to stay on latest firmware, as any manufacturer wants to owners be, I totally agree with that, except it was introduced silently which lead to many troubles. Personally I think there was major security bug in previous rom, thats why they changed arb to 4 in that firmware.
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Look, actually I had washed my phone a long time ago. So there was no damage but the sticker above the sub board had turned red indicating water damage. My phone was working perfectly even after washing. I bricked it due to anti-rollback when I tried to flash 8.7.5 over 8.7.12. xiaomi has a policy under which if there is liquid damage to a part you need to pay for it to get replaced. There were two stickers in the phone, one over the sub board and another over the motherboard. Only the sub board one had turned red, meaning I had to pay for the sub board replacement(INR 800), So the service centre people first replaced my sub board and then they realised that the phone's motherboard was also messed up, so they replaced it under warranty. I hope you understand now. Washing had nothing to do with arb, just that it made me pay 800 RS.
Okay great, congratulations. But before every flash better be sure what you are doing. And in case of Xiaomi better get full permissions account before any flashing
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Okay great, congratulations. But before every flash better be sure what you are doing. And in case of Xiaomi better get full permissions account before any flashing
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Right man.
But I still think it wasn't implemented properly. Don't you think that wrecking the motherboard just for a little mistake of flashing a lower version too much? They should at least allow us to disable it. Not everyone is lucky enough to get a motherboard replacement for free...
Same for me. After bricking the device, board was needed to be changed and got it changed under warranty. Something strange happened after change of board, Internal memory got reduced by 4GB and RAM by 40MB. Xiaomi will push update 9.5.19 with ARB V4 even if auto update is off. Check internal storage for downlaod_rom folder. It will get automatically updated during sleep time. Replace the downloaded update file with a text file with same name to stop the updater from triggering it.
I dont understand whats the problem.. In my eyes only mistake by xiaomi was introducing ARB, and only after first bricks releasing official statement.. apart from that its a good feature. Normal users will never face any problems, as they are using official builds, and never go downgrade route.. Users like you, who unlock bootloader, flash beta roms, dev roms, god knows what other roms, should be skilled enough to not break their phone. I mean if you cant follow simple instructions of NOT downgrading bootloader, maybe this whole thing is not for you... By unlocking bootloader you agree with possible damage, no one else is responsible but you. Btw you dont have to change motherboard, all you need is account with permission to flash rom. In the end, all roms gonna be ARB 4, and this whole thing gonna be forgotten. Oh i also was ARB 3 and aware of this whole situation, but updated to .19 ARB 4 rom without fear, because as i said earlier, if you know what you are doing, this brings you no trouble at all..
I unlocked my bootloader and flashed redwolf twrp at 9.5.19.0 stable and after I flashed miui 10 8.6 beta my device is bricked I went to service centre they changed my motherboard
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Xiaomi implemented anti-rollback feature ( more like a headache) with miui 8.7.6. In this thread I will tell you my experience:
So, I was just browsing through mi community and this post about anti-rollback caught my attention. I wasn't much concerned about it and thought why would someone want to downgrade their phone, I didn't read it completely and that was my mistake. So, you see I had flashed miui 8.7.5 from twrp and did ota update of 8.7.12 to save data as ota is smaller. Now I don't know why but I thought of installing Xposed on my phone. .
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Did you flashed xposed through Magisk or twrp?
Why people downgrade the miui rom? Answer is simple. In each and every new update, new bug is being introduced. When I was on 9.2.4 only issue was with audio over headphone. After each new update and now on 9.5.17 the issues I face are heating during youtube through firefox, When Connected to pc through mtp, folder access is limited. I use ADM do download files and it will be inside adm folder. if i need to access the files, First it should be copied to download folder from adm folder using file manager. ChromeCast gets disconnected often during 9.5.17. Screen mirroring gives artifacts. Audio over Bluetooth is low. Now after anti v4 anyone who wants to go back to much stable version such as 9.2.4 will be bricked. Once in anti v4, there is no way to get back to anti v 3. even to work simple fast boot commands of anti 4 , first dummy file is needed to be flashed which is rather annoying. Last miui version with anti v 3 is 9.5.17.
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I dont understand whats the problem.. In my eyes only mistake by xiaomi was introducing ARB, and only after first bricks releasing official statement.. apart from that its a good feature. Normal users will never face any problems, as they are using official builds, and never go downgrade route.. Users like you, who unlock bootloader, flash beta roms, dev roms, god knows what other roms, should be skilled enough to not break their phone. I mean if you cant follow simple instructions of NOT downgrading bootloader, maybe this whole thing is not for you... By unlocking bootloader you agree with possible damage, no one else is responsible but you. Btw you dont have to change motherboard, all you need is account with permission to flash rom. In the end, all roms gonna be ARB 4, and this whole thing gonna be forgotten. Oh i also was ARB 3 and aware of this whole situation, but updated to .19 ARB 4 rom without fear, because as i said earlier, if you know what you are doing, this brings you no trouble at all..
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I have no problem with arb, I have a problem with the way it is implemented. Agreed that we should be careful while flashing roms but hard bricking the device does not make sense. What if even xiaomi accidentally releases an update with anti lower than 4 or we get a buggy update and want to revert. They should at least allow us to disable it or provide us an easy way to restore our device(using our mi id in some tool like mi flash). I understand that it is a security feature, but it has not been implemented correctly. They should have gone the Google way...
Guys, seriously, let me throw in my two bits for you all to chew on: why would you trust _any_ OEM (Samsung, LG, Sony, Xiaomi, etc.) to build a ROM with the users' best interest at heart? Doesn't make sense. That's why we buy devices that we can unlock, and break free. We should be supporting community ROMs and developers and help them to port features we need. There are lots of open source options out there (LOS, RR, etc.) that don't compromise your data or lock you in under the guise of "stability and security".
Thanks for reading.
temporarium said:
Guys, seriously, let me throw in my two bits for you all to chew on: why would you trust _any_ OEM (Samsung, LG, Sony, Xiaomi, etc.) to build a ROM with the users' best interest at heart? Doesn't make sense. That's why we buy devices that we can unlock, and break free. We should be supporting community ROMs and developers and help them to port features we need. There are lots of open source options out there (LOS, RR, etc.) that don't compromise your data or lock you in under the guise of "stability and security".
Thanks for reading.
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Because OEMs are strictly regulated by various institutions, unlike developers. And even tho i love LOS, RR or any other custom rom, in 10years of flashing custom roms, i never had one that was more stable and bugfree than original OS that came with phone..
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Because OEMs are strictly regulated by various institutions, unlike developers. And even tho i love LOS, RR or any other custom rom, in 10years of flashing custom roms, i never had one that was more stable and bugfree than original OS that came with phone..
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"Stable" is a relative term. My current custom ROM (Bootleggers) is very solid and probably has more features/options than MIUI ever will, I'm sure. More importantly, I know it doesn't do things behind my back and will not turn on me (eg. anti-rollback, etc.) down the road. Above all, quite often, custom ROMs get security patches long after the OEM has dropped support for the device. My $0.02.
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"Stable" is a relative term. My current custom ROM (Bootleggers) is very solid and probably has more features/options than MIUI ever will, I'm sure. More importantly, I know it doesn't do things behind my back and will not turn on me (eg. anti-rollback, etc.) down the road. Above all, quite often, custom ROMs get security patches long after the OEM has dropped support for the device. My $0.02.
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Stable is not a relative term. Stable is stable, with all functions working, not crashing, and not having bugs. Features is different topic, stability and features are different thing. Most often the more features, the more trouble you have. You say its very solid, but if you go to thread and read comments, there are many different bugs and problems. You will never find that many different problems in official miui
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Stable is not a relative term. Stable is stable, with all functions working, not crashing, and not having bugs. Features is different topic, stability and features are different thing. Most often the more features, the more trouble you have. You say its very solid, but if you go to thread and read comments, there are many different bugs and problems. You will never find that many different problems in official miui
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I have had zero FCs/crashes on my ROM. It's as stable as they get. And I trust it.
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I have had zero FCs/crashes on my ROM. It's as stable as they get. And I trust it.
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Good for you then Sad about that bug you reported 2 days ago lol. Same for me with official firmware, which was created by same people who designed the phone and chose hardware . I mean i dont understand whats your point. Custom rom is better? If thats it, then 95% of owners will disagree, because they have no idea what custom rom, root, or unlocked bootloader is. Official roms are for casual users, who want phone to be reliable, simple, and functioning. They happen to be the vast majority of buyers. Custom roms are either for tech junkies, or people who like playing around with their tech and dont rely on their phone daily. If you discourage trusting companies like samsung, xiaomi, etc., why are you thrusting google? Its their OS after all, they wrote it. Sure, its based on open source linux, but its still googles code. You use google apps, that have all the permissions in the world. What can OEMs possibly take from you that google already didnt lol?
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Good for you then Sad about that bug you reported 2 days ago lol. Same for me with official firmware, which was created by same people who designed the phone and chose hardware . I mean i dont understand whats your point. Custom rom is better? If thats it, then 95% of owners will disagree, because they have no idea what custom rom, root, or unlocked bootloader is. Official roms are for casual users, who want phone to be reliable, simple, and functioning. They happen to be the vast majority of buyers. Custom roms are either for tech junkies, or people who like playing around with their tech and dont rely on their phone daily. If you discourage trusting companies like samsung, xiaomi, etc., why are you thrusting google? Its their OS after all, they wrote it. Sure, its based on open source linux, but its still googles code. You use google apps, that have all the permissions in the world. What can OEMs possibly take from you that google already didnt lol?
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Thanks for contributing.
The "bug" was actually a misconfiguration on my part, not the ROM. I rely on my phone and use it daily with no issues.
XDA is geared towards the 5% that know what a custom ROM is and can make the choice.
I don't trust Google. I don't use Google apps. What I use is open. I've got microG installed so I don't leak my info all over the place. Custom ROMs allow you to do that. Official ROMs don't.
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Thanks for contributing.
The "bug" was actually a misconfiguration on my part, not the ROM. I rely on my phone and use it daily with no issues.
XDA is geared towards the 5% that know what a custom ROM is and can make the choice.
I don't trust Google. I don't use Google apps. What I use is open. I've got microG installed so I don't leak my info all over the place. Custom ROMs allow you to do that. Official ROMs don't.
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Oh i agree to that, but still dont understand what your point was then..? And what does it have to do this topic?
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Oh i agree to that, but still dont understand what your point was then..? And what does it have to do this topic?
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This is not the first device, nor the first OEM, that does things in an underhanded way, where you can never be sure if the next upgrade is going to take your device to a point of no return. My point being that the experience with ARB will (hopefully) alert other MIUI users to what may lie ahead and show Xiaomi that they don't approve. Just an opinion. ?