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So apparently, Samsung agrees with the masses who HATE the new Sound & Notification system Google has pushed with Lollipop. Samsung is rolling out an update bringing back the good old way of things (Sound/Vibrate/Mute). YAY!
http://www.gsmarena.com/new_galaxy_s5_lollipop_update_brings_back_silent_mode-news-11291.php
http://androidromupdate.com/2015/02/23/g900fxxu1bob7-galaxy-s5-g900f-5-0-lollipop-stock-rom/
Stupifier said:
So apparently, Samsung agrees with the masses who HATE the new Sound & Notification system Google has pushed with Lollipop. Samsung is rolling out an update bringing back the good old way of things (Sound/Vibrate/Mute). YAY!
http://www.gsmarena.com/new_galaxy_s5_lollipop_update_brings_back_silent_mode-news-11291.php
http://androidromupdate.com/2015/02/23/g900fxxu1bob7-galaxy-s5-g900f-5-0-lollipop-stock-rom/
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Sadly, I see this as a way for VZW to lock us out of downgrading back to KK. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen with OA8.
RyanThaDude said:
Sadly, I see this as a way for VZW to lock us out of downgrading back to KK. I'm actually surprised it didn't happen with OA8.
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That would be ideal for VZ, but is there any indication that's what's happening with this update?
Ya there is no indication of any of that in this update.... Just sounds like a grumpy reply to some potentially great news
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That would be ideal for VZ, but is there any indication that's what's happening with this update?
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No indication whatsoever, just pure speculation on how VZW works.
So has anyone taken this update?
Edit: Never mind. See now its not out for verizon
Any of this confirmed or denied yet?
XNO said:
Any of this confirmed or denied yet?
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BOB7 already came out a while ago....internationally. In fact, I'm on BOB7 right now because some Dev's ported it over to us Verizon people. Officially though, I have no idea if this will ever reach Verizon phones. I do know that BOC4 looks like it will officially be delivered to US Verizon S5's. Someone posted up a link to a Verizon thing about it (can't remember where it is here).
All,
Found and interesting little article. Seems it may be early Feb for the update. Read here:
http://www.lawyerherald.com/article...-6-0-marshmallow-update-t-mobile-expected.htm
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Seems a dubious source to me., in regards to mobile phone news.
Feb 7th
Just got update will download when i get home Verizon LG V10
killajerv129 said:
Just got update will download when i get home Verizon LG V10
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What was the update?
killajerv129 said:
Just got update will download when i get home Verizon LG V10
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Any new features?
i42o said:
Feb 7th
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That's pretty specific. Care to share your source?
i42o said:
Feb 7th
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Only 3 days away, will be waiting
One more day..lol
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Thanks for the update, will keep my eyes peeled. Hoping to see marshmallow in the coming weeks.
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CoNsPiRiSiZe said:
Thanks for the update, will keep my eyes peeled. Hoping to see marshmallow in the coming weeks.
Matt
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My estimate was based off an internal email i recieved from my corporate plug. According to this email all of the latest lg phones will begin to get updates to 6.x on or after thia date. I will post email later to prove what i type
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Feb 7th
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2/8/2016 - And no update.... :crying:
Oh well... LoL
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2/8/2016 - And no update.... :crying:
Oh well... LoL
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It is a tiered rollout usually.. So some may start to get it before we do unfortunately, it has to come to our devices. Though no mention of it being released.
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ATT G4 got it, maybe we are the next
i42o said:
My estimate was based off an internal email i recieved from my corporate plug. According to this email all of the latest lg phones will begin to get updates to 6.x on or after thia date. I will post email later to prove what i type
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Although I'm usually wary of others claiming "inside contact" knowledge, in this case I'll remain optimistic. The T-Mobile variant is overdue for an update. Absolutely nothing has come through yet since I purchased the phone on Oct 30th. I'm stock and no root/locked bootloader. At this point there's a laundry list of issues that need to be fixed including but not limited to YouTube freezing at 1440p playback and fingerprint scanner w/case on. My phone is paid outright and if T-Mobile doesn't push an update by the time the LG G5 specs are confirmed and the phone is released, AND I'm impressed, I'll have no problem selling this phone for it.
http://www.androidauthority.com/att-lg-g4-getting-marshmallow-672368/
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http://www.androidauthority.com/att-lg-g4-getting-marshmallow-672368/
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This is the V10 thread
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This is the V10 thread
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I believe the point was to related to the V10 -- articles from several sites reported that Feb 7th would mark the date that LG phones would start to receive Marshmallow. These phones included our V10 as well as the G4. Not all were going to be getting the update starting on that date, but that's the start date per these sites.
Matt
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This is the V10 thread
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Like Matt said I posted that because its related to the v10.
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Although I'm usually wary of others claiming "inside contact" knowledge, in this case I'll remain optimistic. The T-Mobile variant is overdue for an update. Absolutely nothing has come through yet since I purchased the phone on Oct 30th. I'm stock and no root/locked bootloader. At this point there's a laundry list of issues that need to be fixed including but not limited to YouTube freezing at 1440p playback and fingerprint scanner w/case on. My phone is paid outright and if T-Mobile doesn't push an update by the time the LG G5 specs are confirmed and the phone is released, AND I'm impressed, I'll have no problem selling this phone for it.
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I suppose I agree, however being in the software design "Biz," and recognizing that missing Android 6 should not keep people up at night (understatement), it is far more important that LG gets it right, than if they are perceived as late. This is especially true with a phone is as highly customized as the V10. Also, I think that. 5.1.1 on the V10 is quite stable and fast overall. The upgrade promise was within 6 months of release, which would imply May at the latest. I would be OK with that- again, provided it is bug free, stable and fast.
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Is there any way to skip the update during setup? I need DePixel8 to work and my verizon pixel comes after december 7th (i think thats when the next security patch comes out). Can you use adb in recovery? that might work.
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Is there any way to skip the update during setup? I need DePixel8 to work and my verizon pixel comes after december 7th (i think thats when the next security patch comes out). Can you use adb in recovery? that might work.
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Pull your SIM card before powering on and skip wifi setup.
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Pull your SIM card before powering on and skip wifi setup.
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Nope, ain't gonna work. You have to log in to continue.
DePixel may work with the update.. .it did for the last one.
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Just a guess but I tend to agree.
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Nope, ain't gonna work. You have to log in to continue.
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To continue to full setup, but not to depixel8.
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To continue to full setup, but not to depixel8.
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You sure about that? I thought you needed to adb depixel8 and if so, then how can you get the phone recognized in order to issue adb commands without logging in? To wit, usb debugging in developer options. Now I do suppose you can deny the update but I'm not even sure about that. Doesn't it automatically download and install before you can do anything?
I'm guessing the point is moot because the December update will not block depixel8? We'll know tomorrow.
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You sure about that? I thought you needed to adb depixel8 and if so, then how can you get the phone recognized in order to issue adb commands without logging in? To wit, usb debugging in developer options. Now I do suppose you can deny the update but I'm not even sure about that. Doesn't it automatically download and install before you can do anything?
I'm guessing the point is moot because the December update will not block depixel8? We'll know tomorrow.
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It has been discussed in the Pixel XL unlock thread. Here is one (well, two really) example. See the last paragraph of the quoted post, and the post itself where the poster states it worked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69431522&postcount=1043
You don't need to log in to boot the phone.
There are other statements in that long thread where people say they have done this, if you choose to find them. I have not done it myself, so I am just going by what others have said.
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It has been discussed in the Pixel XL unlock thread. Here is one (well, two really) example. See the last paragraph of the quoted post, and the post itself where the poster states it worked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69431522&postcount=1043
You don't need to log in to boot the phone.
There are other statements in that long thread where people say they have done this, if you choose to find them. I have not done it myself, so I am just going by what others have said.
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Wow what a crazy thread, thanks for keeping me busy for the last 2 hours reading it. December update is out now and Depixel8 is now patched and does not work any longer. I'm still reading that thread and getting conflicting information as to what will happen upon booting either with or without the sim in. I'll come back if I find out anything definitive. I might head over to IRC and ask directly. (doing that now, let's see if anyone answers freenode #googlepixel)
edit: I do believe you can bypass the setup without a sim or wifi. So back to the OP question, I'm not sure when the vzw version will start shipping with 7.1.1 but if you get it with the older patch and you want to unlock you better be careful and get it done right away.
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Wow what a crazy thread, thanks for keeping me busy for the last 2 hours reading it. December update is out now and Depixel8 is now patched and does not work any longer. I'm still reading that thread and getting conflicting information as to what will happen upon booting either with or without the sim in. I'll come back if I find out anything definitive. I might head over to IRC and ask directly. (doing that now, let's see if anyone answers freenode #googlepixel)
edit: I do believe you can bypass the setup without a sim or wifi. So back to the OP question, I'm not sure when the vzw version will start shipping with 7.1.1 but if you get it with the older patch and you want to unlock you better be careful and get it done right away.
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Yeah, that thread is quite the rabbit hole. But quite a few good nuggets of info dispersed through it.
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Yeah, that thread is quite the rabbit hole. But quite a few good nuggets of info dispersed through it.
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Yeah, JCase is/was very active for a while. Has degraded into the same questions over and over at this point though. I love when a mod comes in and has to clean the thread. Tells me I missed some fireworks. At this point those that don't have the device (Verizon) are starting to freak a little with the Dec update out now. But really if they are that concerned just buy a Google variety and you can always unlock that. I do realize that some people have upgrades etc. and as for me, I paid $240 on the Black Friday deal so I'm stuck. Well not really, but I'm not unlocking so I really don't care what they do with the bootloader.
I presume someone will start a thread about the update, but I haven't received it yet. I downloaded the full ota image but I'll hold off for a few more hours.
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Yeah, JCase is/was very active for a while. Has degraded into the same questions over and over at this point though. I love when a mod comes in and has to clean the thread. Tells me I missed some fireworks. At this point those that don't have the device (Verizon) are starting to freak a little with the Dec update out now. But really if they are that concerned just buy a Google variety and you can always unlock that. I do realize that some people have upgrades etc. and as for me, I paid $240 on the Black Friday deal so I'm stuck. Well not really, but I'm not unlocking so I really don't care what they do with the bootloader.
I presume someone will start a thread about the update, but I haven't received it yet. I downloaded the full ota image but I'll hold off for a few more hours.
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Yeah, I got mine on BF, too. But I did go ahead and unlock the BL, after I confirmed the phone worked as expected. I have not changed the recovery or rooted at this point. Just running stock/unlocked for now. I believe that I should still get the OTA, since I'm not rooted and haven't changed recoveries, but we'll see. No sign of it yet.
Booting to twrp and starting a side load will get adb working. Had to do this just the other day to push a file.
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I guess we just pray for the best. The last 2 patches went out on the 7th so just extrapolation. The real problem is if you get an updated one or not.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=69948158. This is what I was afraid of.
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bobby janow said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=69948158. This is what I was afraid of.
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Hmm. Conflicting reports.
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Hmm. Conflicting reports.
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Yes, and it's serious if you want to unlock. I think we'll just have to wait for a new vzw Pixel user to confirm either way. I got sick of waiting and sideloaded the ota.
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tough luck
I can tell you for sure you can skip everything in setup.
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I can tell you for sure you can skip everything in setup.
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How? I'm going to get a replacement pixel tomorrow. I did a few factory resets but I don't remember seeing a way to skip through setup. Right after the activation screen it went to the software update screen. Im gonna factory reset in a little bit but I'm not sure it would help test because I'm already on 7.1.1
Would reallt SUCK if I got a replacement on 7.1 and the setup installed 7.1.1 before I could unlock
Anyone else here on C782 in the United Kingdom and still on 110 while everyone else is either on 120 or 128.
This needs to be improved by huawei as the P20 Pro has been a success within the United Kingdom
yep.. i have the l29 from three and on 110
just thinking to rebrand because of this
I read somewhere that unfortunately the networks need to approve the updates before they're pushed out as well which obviously adds more to the process. It's so ridiculous that Huawei chose to work this way with the UK model.
In the same boat myself, thinking of debranding.
Not totally sure if after de-branding you'll need another code to unlock again if the bootloader locks down.
If that's the case and they stop the codes then you'll end up without the ability to unlock the phone again.
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In the same boat myself, thinking of debranding.
Not totally sure if after de-branding you'll need another code to unlock again if the bootloader locks down.
If that's the case and they stop the codes then you'll end up without the ability to unlock the phone again.
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Not if you debrand with the XDA method as it doesn't affect the bootloader code
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Not if you debrand with the XDA method as it doesn't affect the bootloader code
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You sure? That's really good to know.
As that's the method i'm going to be using.
cheers pal.
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You sure? That's really good to know.
As that's the method i'm going to be using.
cheers pal.
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Its just stupid. I am on a sim free version and from the days of HTC a standard WWE firmware was allocation to the whole of Europe.
Surely something as simple as this cannot be that difficult to implement
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Its just stupid. I am on a sim free version and from the days of HTC a standard WWE firmware was allocation to the whole of Europe.
Surely something as simple as this cannot be that difficult to implement
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Lol mate I'm learning for the first time myself, Huawei aren't doing themselves any favours.
This will be my last Huawei.
I've just successfully rebranded to c432. Installig 128 ota right now, bootloader still unlocked, i believe.
I've used this guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...de-how-to-root-debrand-remove-retail-t3788326
I just need to root again
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I've just successfully rebranded to c432. Installig 128 ota right now, bootloader still unlocked, i believe.
I've used this guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...de-how-to-root-debrand-remove-retail-t3788326
I just need to root again
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Nice one mate, i'm going to do it this weekend.
It looks like I have twrp AND stock recovery installed at the same time.....I can boot both. Does that means i will still be able to get OTAs?
It's my first Huawei....
Have any of the UK network branded devices been updated to 128 yet?
......still waiting patiently on my unbranded. I thought it would recieve updates near the front of the queue
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I'm on the C636 model and also having firmware updates withheld..
.. Whats the consensus on which model to debrand to?
Which models correspond to which regions and which are more likely to get updates or other benefits?
Also.. Does this effect the LTE frequencies used or VoLTE and WiFi calling that are sometimes specific to particular regions?
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yep.. i have the l29 from three and on 110
just thinking to rebrand because of this
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you all are good.. im in Ireland three network and my p20 pro is stuck on 103.version :crying::crying::crying:
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Have any of the UK network branded devices been updated to 128 yet?
......still waiting patiently on my unbranded. I thought it would recieve updates near the front of the queue
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No not as far as I'm aware, I'm on 110, the EU model is getting preference. ..can't say I like Huawei's methods.
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No not as far as I'm aware, I'm on 110, the EU model is getting preference. ..can't say I like Huawei's methods.
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Yea. Personally hating Huawei's methods here. A fantastic device but the branding on first SIM and awful update process means mine is being sold. Pixel 2 XL all the way for me now.
WhiteHartMart said:
Yea. Personally hating Huawei's methods here. A fantastic device but the branding on first SIM and awful update process means mine is being sold. Pixel 2 XL all the way for me now.
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Have to agree, massive mistake moving from the OnePlus.
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Yea. Personally hating Huawei's methods here. A fantastic device but the branding on first SIM and awful update process means mine is being sold. Pixel 2 XL all the way for me now.
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Oooh I don't think I'd get the pixel 2 mate.
Why not debrand your p20 and give it a chance, better things are coming im certain of that, I mean I hop between devices usually once a year or more because I get bored so fast so I know what you mean but I think it'd be too soon to commit to another phone. Unless you can cover the entire cost of the device.
People in the US may buy it, I'd grab an unlock code just in case too :good:
If your hearts set on a pixel, wait for the three, you'll hate having the 2 the second you see their new one. There's quite a difference between them.
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Oooh I don't think I'd get the pixel 2 mate.
Why not debrand your p20 and give it a chance, better things are coming im certain of that, I mean I hop between devices usually once a year or more because I get bored so fast so I know what you mean but I think it'd be too soon to commit to another phone. Unless you can cover the entire cost of the device.
People in the US may buy it, I'd grab an unlock code just in case too :good:
If your hearts set on a pixel, wait for the three, you'll hate having the 2 the second you see their new one. There's quite a difference between them.
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Too late lol.
In fairness I've been running the two phones side by side for a few weeks before deciding which to keep. We know the result already don't we lol
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Too late lol.
In fairness I've been running the two phones side by side for a few weeks before deciding which to keep. We know the result already don't we lol
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Haha fair enough, I know the 2XL isn't a bad device, not even close, but I think you'll feel down when you see the 3XL, it does look like a monster.
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If by now, you haven't received this firmware update from your wireless provider, something is askew and you probably should start looking that. Other than that, if you're not already running on it, you've probably made that choice!
As with all software updates, it's never a bad time to either perform a new backup before commencing with the OTA download, or at least check on what date your showing for the last one (usually, you'll find your handset performs these daily, once every 24 hours). As for me personally, that's my cue to run my backup to my microsd card via the Smartswitch app!
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I read Samsung already started rolling out out this update at the beginning of the week(2/15)
to include this handset. I'm TMB and that's a
no-go (so far) and Sprint hasn't rolled it out either.
Anyone with new Intel on this matter, please share as a small monetary contribution will be made available(jk)!
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I just got it pushed to my phone, downloading at the moment.
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I just got it pushed to my phone, downloading at the moment.
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What carrier?
Got it yesterday on unlocked on T-Mobile network.
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Got it yesterday on unlocked on T-Mobile network.
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Are you based in USA, and if so which carrier do you have wireless service with?
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Are you based in USA, and if so which carrier do you have wireless service with?
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Many Thanks...I should see the ota soon...also with t-mobile.
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Many Thanks...I should see the ota soon...also with t-mobile.
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I see TMB/SPR U devices are getting it (DUB5)... no U1 yet.
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I see TMB/SPR U devices are getting it (DUB5)... no U1 yet.
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yep, saw that, but you're an Unlocked, Carrier Branded SM-N986U, not SM-N986U1. That's where my confusion came about until I figured it out looking at FOTA!
I know it's no cause for alarm (with samsung, it happens more often than not) but I didn't see a new build # assigned yet for XAA(as if they hadn't started one, but much more likely they just failed to update their system)!
However, for those of you SM-N986U1 users (like myself) seeing this dialog, we could be in for a little longer wait, meaning we may not have Our Update by this coming Monday (3/1), as a few of the websites I saw earlier were speculating!
(We will know more soon, I'm certain)!
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yep, saw that, but you're an Unlocked, Carrier Branded SM-N986U, not SM-N986U1. That's where my confusion came about until I figured it out looking at FOTA!
I know it's no cause for alarm (with samsung, it happens more often than not) but I didn't see a new build # assigned yet for XAA(as if they hadn't started one, but much more likely they just failed to update their system)!
However, for those of you SM-N986U1 users (like myself) seeing this dialog, we could be in for a little longer wait, meaning we may not have Our Update by this coming Monday (3/1), as a few of the websites I saw earlier were speculating!
(We will know more soon, I'm certain)!
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**ONE UI 3.1 SOFTWARE UPDATE IS HERE!**
I'm on the unlocked SM-N986U1 connected to Verizon and still no update for me. I thought having an unlocked phone straight from Samsung would put me in line to get the updates first, but I guess not. I was one of the last N20U users to get 3.0, and now the same seems to be the case for 3.1. I saw articles talking about it being pushed out the Note 10's already.
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I'm on the unlocked SM-N986U1 connected to Verizon and still no update for me. I thought having an unlocked phone straight from Samsung would put me in line to get the updates first, but I guess not. I was one of the last N20U users to get 3.0, and now the same seems to be the case for 3.1. I saw articles talking about it being pushed out the Note 10's already.
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Yeah...what's up with that samsung? You shoot the new update to our traded-in or sold devices first, after we spent more money with you to be last on the update list again?! wtf...
having 986U, T-mobile unlocked from the included app, I already received the update UI 3.1 here in Africa where I am with my job. The SIM card /carrier is Africell.
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I'm on the unlocked SM-N986U1 connected to Verizon and still no update for me. I thought having an unlocked phone straight from Samsung would put me in line to get the updates first, but I guess not. I was one of the last N20U users to get 3.0, and now the same seems to be the case for 3.1. I saw articles talking about it being pushed out the Note 10's already.
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I have bought two notes from Samsung directly over the years because I was under the impression if I bought the phones straight from Sammy I would get more features and faster updates. But as time goes on I see now that the unlocked phones are second class to Sammy. It seem to me like Sammy can't help but stroke off the carriers and bend to what they want.
Finally got mine today. I am with AT&T
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Finally got mine today. I am with AT&T
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I'm glad to see Samsung always improving their camera function as that is one of their claim-to-fames, one that snagged-me as I've said many times! However, I was sorta expecting to see something thrown in the mix about changes implemented to extend battery life...wasn't just me, right?
Got it today. U1 XAA running on visible.
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Yes, Texas and not impressed with it. Much ado about nothing!