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Yesterday, the LG G6 was released. It seems to be a pretty good phone with a lot of emphasis on the Camera. However, when you start looking at the spec sheet you are disappointed. Not only is there just 4GB of RAM,but also the camera sensor is an IMX 258.
Seems familiar? Well, it should be as that is the same sensor that the Mi4C uses!!! Well, at least some of them since some models use a Samsung sensor. However, for us, the lucky people that have that sensor, this could mean Camera2 API support if some smart developer here on XDA manages to port it from the G6! I seriously can't wait for us to get our hands on its ROM.
Hope to get some discussion started in this thread and do some further research.
- chrismin13
Might be a different sensor even though it says 258, it surely has different lenses anyway. It's not really that good for us.
I don't think that we will ever see camera2 api on our device. The only chance is a porting from Miui (apparently present in the nougat version), but as I know it's nearly impossible since we don't have the proper sources. But we can always dream
I haven't checked this, but
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads...most-working-xd-on-mi-4c-miui-8-nougat.38684/
OH. MY. GOODNESS. Thanks for letting me know that was a thing! I'm so excited! As soon as I get my Mi4c back I'll try enabling it! Has anyone tried out the manual shutter speed? Up to how many seconds can it go?
I was also shocked the G6 had the same sensor. Couldn't believe it.
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Has anyone tried out the manual shutter speed? Up to how many seconds can it go?
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UP!
Same 0.6s exposure with camera2api enable , images are flipped 180°
The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to activate the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.
Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/
ГАСООП said:
Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/
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I never said that. Reread my post. I said you need to change the lens in manual mode to get optical zoom. Clicking on the 1x button from the main screen only offers digital zoom.
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The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to active the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.
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I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.
Edwin Hamal said:
I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.
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One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.
2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.
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2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.
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There isn't a big change in aperture from the wide lens to the tele lens. I do find that the tele lens is softer than the wide on standard focus. But I am still of the initial belief that the auto focus on my phone is off in lower light and possibly in the tele... I have more testing to do as time permits.
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One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.
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You're right but I think no one is actually aware of this I mean even I wasn't until today.
This seems like a reference dual camera setup from OmniVision: http://www.ovt.com/news-events/corporate-releases/omnivision-and-corephotonics-announce-dual-camera-zoom
I think this was the easiest and cheapest solution to add a dual camera setup to a phone since no R&D had to be involved in the build. You can simply buy it and it has ready to go drivers for Android.
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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Yes it does
Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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They advertised it as flagship dual camera but lol, I wasnt expecting so much from it tho. But yeah, look around in this forum, there are guides to install pixel cam with/without root. And the picture quality imo is 10x better than stock ones (in low lights too!) . Explore buddy, explore! ?
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I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
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Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.
Wookyx1 said:
Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.
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Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).
Socotroco said:
Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).
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enable google2api. put whatever gcam you like (i have a scrubber version and arnova, but im still checking them out).
not only have AMAZING results with HDR+, i actually can film video with EIS, slowmo WITH sound, blurred selfies, its ...amazing.
i really do not understand why they didnt enable this thing from the begining...
Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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The difference between stock camera and google camera api is night and day.
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Cant say that am agree with you,
And i own both phone.
You can go to this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...uawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page15 to read more discussion about camera.
Conclusion is. P20 Pro is not your another point and shoot kind of camera. Its more like a photographer tool. It give you best result when you play around the setting and willing to go through the learning curve of using various camera mode. Not a fully auto like in our pixel 2 :laugh:
I'm very satisfied with the camera. Although I agree that the software can be on the heavy side when sharpening and smoothing areas. Havent tried RAW mode yet, but I'll experiment some more with that later.
Dark shots are amazing when using auto or night mode. I mean, considering doing them without a tripod.
any test gcam in p20 pro?
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
Megaromania said:
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Try Night Mod in daylight it is better then Pixel HDR+. Thats what I see on meny photo comparisons.
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You are definitely right! I looked at the original 40 MP photos taken with p20 pro with excitement. I zoomed in and saw that there is no good amount of detail! They looked like low quality 10-12 MP photos! In low light it might take better photos because it has a larger sensor but in low light nope..
I can definitely say that Huawei didn't focus on the "software" enough (shame on Huawei), that's very unfortunate considering this phone has a good camera hardware.
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I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
No issues with the camera, if you are wanting top notch photos then use a dedicated DLSR, the camera on the P20 Pro is the bridge between full on DSLR and Phone camera and does produce some outstanding results, just mess about with the settings, its not like other phone cameras and as a lot more settings/features to play with. I use my DLSR cameras for main photos while my P20 Pro will be for quick snaps when out and about and don't want to carry my main cameras.
Allesa said:
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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its a pity that you still use old software at that time,
.107 bring on much improved auto HDR. much detail are preserved, and it produce more consistent results on various scene now
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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wow, much prefer the pixel shots
Allesa said:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from every flagship the last two years I have to utterly disagree on your statement. Of course each to their own.
It's not perfect but the the versatility alone is huge. Night mode is certainly not a marketing ploy, it really does work and as advertised!
Can't wait to go on using 4 seconds breaks for a photo at night.
Auto is useless. Everything is over sharpened.
Oil for all of us.
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The camera is amazing im sorry but it's the best camera I've ever used in a phone period.
Certain situations call for certain features to be used, but I'm in no way disappointed, it's a complete beast, there isn't a phone on the planet that comes close, perhaps the pixel 2 but only maybe on video.
I am not really disapointed , but for a phone focusing on it's camera so much , i would like some added features.
I'ts nice to have AI available , but sometimes i would like to leave my own personal touch on my photo's. So why not include the AI "modes" into the filters menu ? That way i can pick the mode and strength i want to see , when i want to see it.
Manual HDR mode , effect is only marginal ? can't set any HDR bracketing options.
Sometimes, in high contrast scenes, HDR kick's in automatically , without warning or any way to cancel it. The effect is really pronounced then.
Pro mode : where is the bracketing ? Sharpening settings ? Noise removal settings ?
RAW : is not really raw , there is some weird effect where noise seems to be converted to dancing lines. Lens distortion is removed , but vignetting is still present ?
I also would like to have an option to save the "developed" photo in a lossless format (with some extra bit depth) in stead of JPG.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Wow! that's stark! thanks for posting, it's exactly the type of images I plan to shoot and I was looking for a direct comparison between the Pixel 2 and the P20 Pro when shooting people in dimly lit indoors.
I suppose you had turned beauty mode down to 0, which however did not switch it off in earlier versions of the camera software.
Is the problem still present with the latest camera update (.128)?
Does shooting in Photo mode preserve more detail?
Thanks.
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otonieru said:
Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
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You said it, it's a software problem. The P20 Pro comes with superior camera hardware (a much larger main sensor to start with), so I really don't understand why it has to ruin skin in indoor shots to that extent.
From what users report it's all a matter of not being able to turn beautification off completely.
I've read that since update .128 the overprocessing issue was improved.
Does this also apply to skin?
How would such shots appear if shot in Photo mode, or RAW?
I ask about RAW because apparently Huawei's RAW images are also processed, at least geometrically, e.g. by applying lens distortion correction, so I can't be sure that pixel values are unaltered.
I purchased the P20 Pro specifically for the camera as I'm a professional photographer and want the best IQ out of my always with me smartphone camera. I have owned the P20 Pro for almost two months now and have seen a dramatic improvement in the camera software over that time. The initial, pre 107 firmware was terrible with regard to raw color vignetting and at first I was fairly disappointed. The 107 firmware corrected the raw color vignetting issue, though of course there is still the typical natural vignetting that occurs with a small lens and large sensor (and yes, often the sensor DOES affect vignetting due to how it receives non parallel light rays from the lens). So natural, non color shifting vignetting was not really a surprise and does not bother me at all. I'm very happy with the IQ from 40MP raw images now. It's not going to match my 36MP full frame camera in good light of course but for a smartphone, the P20 Pro is pretty amazing.
Probably my biggest positive surprise with the P20 Pro (beyond the software capabilities of Night Mode) is the quality of the black & white camera. Really nice tonality, no doubt somewhat due to the Leica involvement.
Anyway, I'm now on the 131 firmware and the additional improvements I would like to see are more user control over color saturation, noise reduction and sharpness (and I would also love to be able to tweak how the Master AI option deals with color and color saturation). For the B&W camera, I would really, really love a raw option as well as control of noise reduction and sharpness as I occasionally see where the very aggressive noise reduction completely smooths/ blurs very fine distant detail such as grass.
As far as all the noise about the P20 Pro camera not being as good vs phone X, etc. I would say that there is a higher learning curve to getting the most out of the cameras in the P20 Pro. I see this as the best option for a more experienced user who is looking for the absolute best IQ available today out of a smartphone. For someone looking for the best, "no hassle" snapshots from a smartphone, there may be better options though that does seem to be improving with every firmware update of the P20 Pro.
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
Pfa
Here's my picture. No edit, no nothing. I don't think that camera is pathetic..
Edit, forum seem to pixelate these over 7mb pics..
Let's see if this helps:
I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
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I didn't see the Panorama mode? Is OSS support this mode?
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Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
RealLordK1 said:
The OP6 is not known for his camera. Like every OP.
And in addition I agree that their stock camera app is far from the best seen on android.
Not that the needed options are not here. But this feels not ergonomic. Or maybe it's to early after having a new phone to say...
Which OSS version do you have ? In 5.1.7, Panorama mode is the last one on the bottom of the camera modes menu.
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Thank you, i found it. It's hide under up icon indicator
Subhojit said:
Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
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Wonder why can't OP or most manufacturers get the camera app right like Google does?
You can install many camera apps like Google. Search the Google Play store.
The stock camera on op6 is awful.
It's actually very good. Not GS9 good but close.
The camera has no wide angle and objects are too near than they actually are.
This camera uses EIS to alleviate shaky hands and walking shakiness. Stop doing drugs
Normal or HDR is grainy work noise.
There is some noise in dark shots, but nowhere near the previous generation cameras.
It's a very good camera.
Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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Buy a pixel then? I don't understand people. This camera is just as good in most situations as the pixel camera and when it's not, it's damn close. If people are going to complain it's not as good as a pixel camera and it's that important to you then damn, spend $300+ more and get a pixel.
I'm not trying to be snarky but what are you expecting on a phone that is $300-$400 less than another phone? There is a reason you bought a $500 phone and not a $800-$1000 phone
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It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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B3501 said:
It's not the bests camera if you have a baby. I struggle to get an infocus shot the first time which If you have a kid you need.
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Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
nabbed said:
Why not get a baby camera then?
Galaxy S9 is fantastic. Huge aperture, huge pixel size - perfect for moving objects and low light shots.
S9 is like $700.
S9 is a beautiful phone. Wait till Samsung.com unleashes its sales. The first sale was -$150 off on ATT branded S9 about a month ago. The second sale was -$200 off on Verizon branded S9 two weeks ago.
I bought the ATT one for a friend, requested and got it sim unlocked in 3 days.
Good deal.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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Impractical. I use my wife's S8 most of the time.
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I use your wife's S8 too. Not so good.
MickyFoley said:
I wouldn't call it "pathetic". I compare my Note 8 to my OnePlus 6 and have to say:
• The OP6 focuses better in videos than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. All cars, signs, etc. were perfectly focused whilst the Note 8 really struggled focusing one single thing. Autofocus can't be turned off it seems.
• The OP6 stabilizes images and videos better than the Note 8. Tested by driving on average roads. OIS and EIS on OP6 is great. The Note 8 found its limits where the OP6 succeeded.
• More natural colors on the OP6 compared to the Note 8.
• OP6 only needs half the power to keep the camera running. The Note 8 really got hot in some situations, where the OP6 stood cool. Also tested by driving on average roads.
Sure: I miss the real 2x zoom on my Note 8. Night shots are better on the Note 8 too and even with some issues, the Note 8 wins. But it's a damn close win, because it should only be a matter of time, until good developers will do a dailydriver Google Camera port for the OP6.
And even if OP6 has its flaws: I love it more than my Note 8. Why? Find out by yourself.
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I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
Hm. Grid can be changed up to the Golden Ratio. Framerate is also changeable: 720p with 480FPS and 1080p with 240FPS. Gestures... dunno. Never needed on my Note 8. Aspect is also here. The only thing missing: Different sizes for the photos. I'd like to go back to 12MP, because of better photos (seen from the technical side).
Sooner or later we will have a fully working Google camera. At worst after pixel 3 launch, but it will surely happen.
geoff5093 said:
I think it's more about the camera app, than the camera itself. Samsung allows you to change the aspect ratio, resolution, framerate, storage location, different grid sizes, gestures, and a dozen different modes including pro mode.
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OP6 has a pro-mode, I just point and clicking so I don't use it but it's there.
here's my gripes
> Panoramas aren't stabilized, so unless you are a machine while turning around being completely still it won't come out good
> Videos focus in and out so much when there are moving objects it makes it pointless
These two things bother me a lot
This best camera I used, after comparing to mi 8, Zenfone 5z, s8 and v30. V30 has the best manual mode. The 5z before latest update had terrible videos, I was I had purchased it to replace my v30 and pictures only came very clear during daytime.
Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
Is it just me? I've attached a couple of examples. x1, x4.6, x5.
Anything above x4.7 the focus length completely changes and everything gets blurry
hve you tried disabling the AI?
I did and it didn't seem to make much difference
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Im not sure if it's me but objects at even 15cm take a long time to focus, and after that I can only get to about x4.6 magnification for use able images. Note: about 15 cm is the closest I can get on x1 magnification, anything closer the image looses focus.
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That's correct behavior. At present (firmware .121) there's no dedicated macro mode. There's some rumors about a macro mode coming with the next firmware updates - but you should take that with a grain of salt (don't rely on that).
My guess on the slow focus: This is caused by the low distance, too close for the fast laser autofocus to work, so the P40 Pro needs to rely on "traditional" autofocus taking some more time.
Once the x5 lens kicks in you cannot even see what you are taking a photo of.
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Of course, because everything over 5 x should (unfortunately that's not always the case) invoke the telephoto lens - and the name might suggest it's meant for telephotos, not for close-distance shots.
The telephoto lens just needs more distance to the object to focus.
Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.
Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.
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Update 10.1.0.131 has really better close-up shots.
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Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update
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Yeah .131 adds AI Mode "Close-Up" which really improves the macro mode. It's still not as good as the P30 Pro's Macro Mode because of the lens types but it's a vast improvement on what the P40 Pro was doing before the .131 update
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Wierd I have. 131 but I didn't see the close up ai function come up. Will try again. But you are right even compared to my p20 pro it isn't as close
No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail
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Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them.
If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either.
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Ive got the p40 pro and ive tried taking a few shots at different zooms and im not really facing that issue i know curently theres no super macro embedded on this emui version but im confident itll come
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No macro lens no macro pictures. Stop trying to do something the phone is not capable of. Use rhe 50mp ai focus with loads of light instead and boom you can zoom in with great detail
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Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.
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Thank you very much for stating this.
Central problem is people being unaware of the way cameras work.
In another thread, there was someone complaining about "unfocused" picture parts - parts in the background and foreground, outside the depth of field.
OF COURSE that parts are out of focus - because they are out of focus.
Even after lengthy explanations he wasn't willing to change his mind.
If they ain't got any bokeh, they complain about the flat pics. If they got bokeh, they complain about the pics not being flat.
Similar here: I see users complaining about the laws of nature. I guess I'd spend most of my time studying online instructions on how to make letter bombs if I worked at Huawei's customer support.
Right in this thread: I explained the camera behaves just the way it should be, there is NO bug. Response: "Huawei are aware of the bug as we raised it with them. If you zoom in 10x you can't focus on anything close up either. "
So I really, really appreciate a solitary voice of reason.
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THis isnt really a complain about the cameras, i fully understand how they work for the most part. However the focal distance for this phone isnt very good. Clearly this is by design....i wanted to now if others have the same issue. As its a step down from the previous p series -> non-sensical when releasing new and better versions.
. 131 bring a closecup feature which immitates macro photography. With proper lighting you can get similar results with p30 pro.
Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Even after the update, the close up is terrible. My Samsung s9+ could take incredible close-up pics... I'm quite shocked at the lack of capability
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Could you tell me what's wrong with this unprocessed macro picture of a part of a 50 Euro banknote, taken this morning with my P40 Pro (still on firmware .121)? Anything terrible, shocking, incapable?
... one day later: "Still ruht der See." (peace everywhere) :laugh:
It's not even close and nothing focuses...
Firmware 131, btw
Dude if you have a focus problem it might be a faulty device nothing wrong with the rest of us
Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you. They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that
Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates... Here it is your next version update you w8ing for hope to fix all those problems with focus
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Mate no on here explains you right. They using pro mode for normal focus on a camera phone and no ones telling you.
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You know the Ten Commandments? - The ninth is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour", or short: You shall not lie!
I didn't use the "Pro mode" because I cannot manually focus as there are no focusing aids like focus peaking.
I used the PLAIN NORMAL PHOTO MODE for that 50 Euro picture, nothing else.
By the way: "Pro mode" wouldn't help at all because you cannot overcome the physical limitations of the lens just by using a different software mode.
They are unbelievable ppl here only supporting a low software phone which cNt focus right on a normal distance with a simple tap. Every one here uses pro mode to get a subject completly focus.. And they happy for that
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Stop telling nonsense!
TRY FOR YOURSELF if it's possible to better focus on close objects using the "Pro mode". Surprise! You'll find out that it's EXACTLY THE SAME minimum focus distance.
I expect your public feedback on this. And I expect you saying "Sorry, I was wrong."
Don't you even listen to ppl here xda isn't so good any more as it was.. If focus was good huwaei will not try to fix it with updates
.. Also if P40 pro hasn't issues with sharpness huwaei will not try to fix it with updates...
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Nonsense again. Huawei implemented that "AI macro mode" because clueless people like you, not willing to listing, not willing to accept the laws of physics, won't stop ranting about things they don't understand and don't know how to cope with. So Huawei tries to find solutions even for those who don't know how to handle a camera correctly. This is a courtesy, not an admittance of faults.
I am really, really fed up with your non-stop *****ing about things working perfectly well.
It's not the P40 Pro making it wrong, it's you.
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Puffin617: Use normal photo mode with 5 x zoom. Increase the distance to your subject until it's properly focused, make sure your hands don't shake. Don't even try manual focusing in Pro mode, it's close to impossible due to the lack of focusing aids like focus peaking. That's something Huawei indeed screwed.