If the mango update is being released to developers early, does that mean people who have unlocked their phones will be able to receive this update?
If this is not the case, then if a device is unlocked, can a user pay the $99 unlocking fee in order to have a developer unlocked device?
yes. pay 99$ and u will get it sooner.
Everyone will have it early.........lol......
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i've only heard it for emus in may. the rumor that devs get it first is a bit presumptuous...
domineus said:
i've only heard it for emus in may. the rumor that devs get it first is a bit presumptuous...
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Well, it came from the horses mouth - Brandon Watson. Although, Joe Belfiore said there were no plans to this effect. Question is who we believe, Brandon who is in charge of developers or Joe who is VP for the entire platform.
Brandon also said 4 months ago that ms will make sideloading possible for all. I dont believe him. Probably developer unlocked devices will get mango like 1 day before the official release of mango, which btw will most likely be 100000 weeks before all other will get it through their carriers.
diboze said:
Brandon also said 4 months ago that ms will make sideloading possible for all. I dont believe him. Probably developer unlocked devices will get mango like 1 day before the official release of mango, which btw will most likely be 100000 weeks before all other will get it through their carriers.
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Please show me where exactly he said this. I think you're paraphrasing incorrectly.
emigrating said:
Well, it came from the horses mouth - Brandon Watson. Although, Joe Belfiore said there were no plans to this effect. Question is who we believe, Brandon who is in charge of developers or Joe who is VP for the entire platform.
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Joe...definitely Joe
domineus said:
Joe...definitely Joe
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You mean the guy who, during US launch, said "Copy'n'paste is coming very very soon"? ;D
I dunno. I'm inclined to go with Brandon on this one. There has been whispers for quite some time already and I know other "features" I've discussed with certain team-members are actually on their way now, even though Joe said otherwise.
We will see what happens I guess. I'm not expecting it to be rolled out simultaneously with the tool update though, but definitely before public release.
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You mean the guy who, during US launch, said "Copy'n'paste is coming very very soon"? ;D
I dunno. I'm inclined to go with Brandon on this one. There has been whispers for quite some time already and I know other "features" I've discussed with certain team-members are actually on their way now, even though Joe said otherwise.
We will see what happens I guess. I'm not expecting it to be rolled out simultaneously with the tool update though, but definitely before public release.
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very very soon is relative man relative! darn you einstein
but seriously I'm still waiting for a solution for sideloading that brandon stated in february sometime...that's all I have to say about that =)
who said that when
source please?
gkoonjul said:
source please?
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feb ppcgeeks podcast
its on zune marketplace
Joe has expanded his answer a little. Basically he said they are working on it but hasn't planned (scheduled) it as of yet.
This is much more in-line with Brandon so I reckon we will get a developers image during the summer.
emigrating said:
Please show me where exactly he said this. I think you're paraphrasing incorrectly.
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Earlier today, we were contacted by Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, to discuss the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Through this discussion, we established a mutual understanding of our intent to enable homebrew opportunities and to open the Windows Phone 7 platform for broader access to developers and users.
To pursue these goals with Microsoft’s support, Brandon Watson has agreed to engage in futher discussions with us about officially facilitating homebrew development on WP7.
Dec 1st
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/2057541126/pursuing-the-future-of-homebrew-on-windows-phone-7
and now tell me what has happend in this "further" discussion. Yes exactly nothing. No access to needed APIs, no officially supported homebrew, no update progress. Its just hot air coming out of his mouth...
diboze said:
Earlier today, we were contacted by Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, to discuss the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Through this discussion, we established a mutual understanding of our intent to enable homebrew opportunities and to open the Windows Phone 7 platform for broader access to developers and users.
To pursue these goals with Microsoft’s support, Brandon Watson has agreed to engage in futher discussions with us about officially facilitating homebrew development on WP7.
Dec 1st
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/2057541126/pursuing-the-future-of-homebrew-on-windows-phone-7
and now tell me what has happend in this "further" discussion. Yes exactly nothing. No access to needed APIs, no officially supported homebrew, no update progress. Its just hot air coming out of his mouth...
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Like I said, you were paraphrasing it worng. Nowhere did he say that "ms will make sideloading possible for all". He said they agreed to engage in further discussions about facilitating homebrew development on WP7 - something they have done.
No access to needed APIs? You do realize they announced some 1500+ new APIs during MIX11, right? Tools are coming next month. As for homebrew development, well either you pay the $99 (or you get a free code from someone who can provide them - there are plenty around) or you wait until ManGo when there will very likely be some more news to share in regards to this. Did you really expect them to roll out a homebrew solution with NoDo?
they can announce a lot. they also said nodo would come "early 2011", when did it arrive..ah yes, it was the 2Q of 2011.
Moreover I have no problem with not having a free option for unlocking. I can unlock my phone anytime with my dev acc sponsored by dreamspark.
Its just that you cant believe them anymore. We have to wait 1y to get wp7 to where the other mobile OS are.
Like I said, you were paraphrasing it worng. Nowhere did he say that "ms will make sideloading possible for all". He said they agreed to engage in further discussions about facilitating homebrew development on WP7 - something they have done.
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Its easy to say that now, but at that time it had to sound like they are working on something.
Did you really expect them to roll out a homebrew solution with NoDo?
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I expected them to give the user more freedom. Phone and appwise. Then after nodo was not given...I just wanted the update...now I just want them to shut up. My hopes now are with hackers to open up the plattform and deliver some needed features. But even they arent interested in the OS anymore :'(
I wasn't very happy about the NoDo delays either, but it was released Q1. As unfortunate as the delays were I truly do think it was a one time thing. Any future updates should roll out on the date they tell us - bar operator testing of course, but since I'm on a unbranded device this is of no concern to me personally.
Sources tell me Mango will not be a year after launch, but we will see what happens there. In either case I never expected a large update before August 2011 anyways. What I did expect were lots and lots of smaller updates being rolled out with bugfixes - and this is an area they still have to work on, but Mango in the fall is right on schedule if you ask me.
To be honest, I never believed they would come up with an alternative to Chevron when the hole the tool used was closed. You may have thought so, but there was never any indication made that this would be the case.
As for hackers not being interested anymore. Are you living under a rock? DFT is working on a HSPL for the HTC line of devices and we have community sourced APIs opening up pretty much anything you could want the device to do.
Sure, I can understand where you're coming from - but at the same time I do think they are trying very hard to become more transparent. Can't really ask for more than that.
Even if developers do get priority, im sure someone will help the rest of us, so im not worries and dont care!
As for hackers not being interested anymore. Are you living under a rock? DFT is working on a HSPL for the HTC line of devices and we have community sourced APIs opening up pretty much anything you could want the device to do
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They just opened up what should have already been there
It was not ment as an criticism towards the devs. I love what they do here. But they just dont have enough options to make the apps we users want.
To be honest, I never believed they would come up with an alternative to Chevron when the hole the tool used was closed. You may have thought so, but there was never any indication made that this would be the case.
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And now there is no indication that they will give developers priority on mango? So what makes you think, that they will "deliver" this time?
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And now there is no indication that they will give developers priority on mango? So what makes you think, that they will "deliver" this time?
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There is indications. Brandon Watson has said we are working on it. Joe Belfiore said "no plans" which was apparently taken out of context enough for him to expand his answer days after saying basically the same as Brandon.
Sure, it might be more smoke and empty promises, but these people saying this compares very well with what they (and other senior team members) have said in the past - things which were now presented at MIX11.
If you are a developer, how long will you wait to start working on wp8 exclusively ?
If you are an end user, how long will you wait before you upgrade to a wp8 handset ?
I'm curious as to what folks feel is a good timeframe for wp8 to gain traction and be profitable to develop for.
I will wait until my upgrade is due in March next year, But may well have a play with WP8 beforehand, Hopefully that will give the platform time to mature and for any bugs to be ironed out, By then the future of WP7.8 should also be confirmed, All depends on when they actually release the new WP8 handsets I guess.
I'd go right for it when they ship the first devices
Same goes for a Windows 8 tablet (probably the surface)
And well, I'm a dev...
Ill be getting it as soon as it launches in a store near me. WP7 is great as is. I am not so worried about WP8 not going on to my lumia 900. I bought the phone for what it is, not would it could be. Ill be very happy when i get my hands on a wp8 phone and tablet. Love the skydrive integration.
(just wish carriers weren't dicks and would let us use our data the way we want to use it. *Tethering*)
Some guy started a petition on change.org to send to LG asking them to unlock their bootloaders. Worth a shot.
If you want to sign the petition go to change dot org and search H950.
here is the link https://www.change.org/p/lg-corpora...k-lg-g-flex2-bootloader-h950-h955-us995-ls996
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Yeah, I hope it helps somehow. That's the biggest issue with the phone that bothers me the most.
thanks for this, but for the life of me i cannot find the sign button
edit, doh i think i signed it before
signed!
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I also signed, let´s just hope for the best^^
But I guess LG doesn´t care if 500 people want them to unlock the Flex 2's bootloader :/
They'll probably just ignore this.
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petition for unlocking bootloader
I see that the petition reached it’s goal of getting over 500 supporters. What happens now?
adyx2core said:
I see that the petition reached it’s goal of getting over 500 supporters. What happens now?
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Probably nothing.
Signed. Let's see where this gonna take us though I am not too optimistic. My feeling here is that LG have already given up on this device. An earldy 2015 flagship and here we are. But no regrets from my side. I was given the device for more than a fair price and considering it's beast I will keep it for a while
About the petition. The initial amount of signoff's got increased to 1K? Ridiculous. Not sure if there's gonna be sufficient amount of people, nor if anybody will listen to it if the 1K will have been gathered.
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Well we all know that Rea*me, oppo and vivo are the most companies who make everything hard to do in phones, and the most things that they don't want you to do is unlocking the bootloader, in my opinion unlocking the bootloader is the key to do anything in phone, but they are making it the 7th possible thing to do.
Few days ago, i contacted Realme's support, i said hello i have this phone... And i want to unlock the bootloader, they replied with
"Kindly know that it is not available due to the security of the phone" hahaha, are you kidding us, the developers know what they do, don't lie on people with this things that a 7 years old boy won't trust, please note that they talk about there security, not users' one.
Finally, don't ever ever buy an oppo, Realme or Vivo if you are thinking of being free to make any