Which one whould you chose and why ?
I don't care about camera, i care about performance,battery and dev support.
Thank you
Is 675 better than 821 at least?
SD 675 is faster and more efficient.
RN7Pro is better
The Redmi Note 7 Pro has a larger battery and a lower CPU clocking speed. And this will result in better battery life. But the performance should be better on Mi Mix 2 due to its higher CPU frequency. Yet, I don't think there is a huge difference between the two as far as performance is concerned. I would go for the RN7Pro.
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Hey all,
So these latest phones (Galaxy S5, Xperia Z2, new HTC One) all use the Snapdragon 801, but I was wondering if it's actually a decent upgrade. From what I can tell, it's a pretty minor one, but perhaps I'm wrong?
The main differences are an increase in clock speed from 2.3 to 2.5, slightly bumped GPU speed and a new memory interface. I'm guessing you could overclock the CPU/GPU 800 on your Nexus 5 (for example) and get near identical performance to an 801.
Other than that what else do we have? Just a new memory controller, eMMC 5.0, which apparently supports speeds of up to 400MB/s. I had trouble finding the memory bandwidth of eMMC 4.5 (featured on the Snapdragon 800), so I'm not sure if this is actually going to impact performance at all.
It seems that basically they just overclocked the 800, gave it a new name, and just use it for marketing purposes to make the latest flagships sound better, when in fact they feature the same silicon as a Nexus 5 etc.
Thoughts?
The GPU is receiving a significant boost +128mhz on the 8974AB and 8974AC, all the clocks are being increased so it must be a thermal revision and not "overclock"
internally it has a different designation: v3 versus v2
here is a GPU comparison:
http://www.gfxbench.com/compare.jsp...=Android&api1=gl&D2=HTC+One+(M8,+2014)&cols=2
highest scoring Trex is 24fps on the Nexus 5
http://www.gfxbench.com/device.jsp?...l&testgroup=overall&benchmark=gfx30&var=score
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awesome great to know
hamdir said:
The GPU is receiving a significant boost +128mhz on the 8974AB and 8974AC, all the clocks are being increased so it must be a thermal revision and not "overclock"
internally it has a different designation: v3 versus v2
here is a GPU comparison:
highest scoring Trex is 24fps on the Nexus 5
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Interesting! Thanks for the GPU comparison.
Hi,
I've seen Antutu score is very high because the CPU is a monster. But the score of 3D performance is low and tests seen laggy.
What is really the performance in 3D games?.
Please, tell me your experience.
Greetings!
WuZaR said:
Hi,
I've seen Antutu score is very high because the CPU is a monster. But the score of 3D performance is low and tests seen laggy.
What is really the performance in 3D games?.
Please, tell me your experience.
Greetings!
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I want to know as well
Mate 8 using T880MP4 and GPU is just same performance with Samsung Note 5 T760MP6. Huawei not good at GPU for their chip but Mate 8 is enough for all current game. If you are a phone gamer, better wait for S7 with T880MP12 (Exynos) or Adreno 530 (SD820). I don't know why Huawei they don't use T880MP12.
The Mate 8 GPU T880MP4 is enough for the Phone, Display and Games. It's better for Accu!
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Mate 8 using T880MP4 and GPU is just same performance with Samsung Note 5 T760MP6. Huawei not good at GPU for their chip but Mate 8 is enough for all current game. If you are a phone gamer, better wait for S7 with T880MP12 (Exynos) or Adreno 530 (SD820). I don't know why Huawei they don't use T880MP12.
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i can tell you why: throttling!
with mp12 gpus ull get great scores for benchmarks but once u stress the system for more than one benchmark run (say, when gaming! ), throttling kicks in and u lose a great chunk of that wonderful performance. the kirin 950 doesnt have that problem, it stays right at its max. performance no matter how long u stress it and yes, due to the fullHD screen and absense of throttling its more than enough for all current games. i dont game much tbh, but i havent seen any lagging yet either...
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i can tell you why: throttling!
with mp12 gpus ull get grest scores for benchmarks but once u stress the system for more than one benchmark run (say, when gaming! ), throttling kicks in and u lose a grest chunk of that wonderful performance. the kirin 950 doesnt have that problem, it stays right at its max. performance no matter how long u stress it and yes, due to the fullHD screen and abscense of throttling its more than enough for all current games. i dont game much tbh, but i havent seen any lagging yet either...
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yea the cpu is extream fast
ihad the note 5
and mate 8 is way faster and smoother
and the phone wont even lag for one time
i have no problems with heavy games tun smooth exept real boxing 2 lag :fingers-crossed:
Hey guys I just currently pre-ordered the Pixel and am a little worried about the benchmarks that have been released. Do you guys think these are accurate? On some of the articles I have read the clock speeds they are claiming it is running are the speeds of the 820 not the 821. I mean the 6p scored higher on benchmarks than the pixel. How can these be right with the newest processor?
Look at the hands on videos. You won't be worried about performance after that. Looks like Google has done a lot of optimization. Benchmarks don't tell the whole story.
Well, seeing as the 821 is to an 820 the same as an 801 is to an 800... i.e., its the same damned chip, not really sure why you would expect there to be a dramatic performance change?
The 821 shows a peak cpu frequency spec a bit higher than 820, but this doesn't mean that everyone who uses it is obligated to use the highest frequency.
So here is a little bit of information about CPU manufacturing;
Every CPU core is a little bit different. Some of them are stable at lower voltages and higher frequencies than others. The CPU specification indicates a MINIMUM frequency that it MUST be stable at while operating within the designed power envelope. In other words, another CPU may be able to operate at the higher frequency, but it won't do so within the designed power envelope -- it will require OVER VOLTING.
The CPUs are separated according to their levels of stability. Call that "binning". One of these CPUs that bins poorly might be called a Snapdragon 820, and one that bins well will be called a Snapdragon 821. Within each model name, there are further levels of distinction that are used to set the baseline voltages being applied, in order to minimize the voltage that they are fed, such that you can reduce the power consumption as much as possible.
So you can think of an underclocked Snapdragon 821 as a SUPER DUPER AWESOME binned Snapdragon 820, operating at a lower voltage, and therefore consuming less power.
Don't worry about benchmarks! What it matters is the SoC you have, how well disipated is the SoC, and most important, how the software is done (kernel, drivers, android, binaries, etc).
There could be many devices with same SoC and better scores, but at the end, they lag more etc.
For instance, my previous Z5 Compact (with Sony Android, which is similar to AOSP) and a much better SoC than my current N5X, imo lags more than my current Nexus 5X with a worse SoC.
There's no way you can choose a device based on the benchmark, you must try both devices by yourself (ideally with your apps) and see the difference.
Giving another example...A Nexus 5 2013, is extremely fast in KK (with ART) and even in MM (but not in Lollipop).
However, it still throttles much more than a 5X because of the frequency, nm, and many other things.
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Well, seeing as the 821 is to an 820 the same as an 801 is to an 800... i.e., its the same damned chip, not really sure why you would expect there to be a dramatic performance change?
The CPUs are separated according to their levels of stability. Call that "binning". One of these CPUs that bins poorly might be called a Snapdragon 820, and one that bins well will be called a Snapdragon 821. Within each model name, there are further levels of distinction that are used to set the baseline voltages being applied, in order to minimize the voltage that they are fed, such that you can reduce the power consumption as much as possible.
So you can think of an underclocked Snapdragon 821 as a SUPER DUPER AWESOME binned Snapdragon 820, operating at a lower voltage, and therefore consuming less power.
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There actually are some differences in the 821 vs the 820. It's not the same chip exactly. A pretty great breakdown is here: https://www.gizmotimes.com/comparison/snapdragon-821-vs-snapdragon-820/16403
But essentially, slightly better power savings, improved camera performance, and a VR SDK.
Thanks for all the replies guys. I was just confused as to why a chip the snapdragon says should have a 10% increase in performance over the 820 is benchmarking lower than most 820's.
Good info, thanks guys!
We know nothing yet, time will tell obviously. The videos in the early previews look great, but we'll see under heavy load how these perform.
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Hey guys I just currently pre-ordered the Pixel and am a little worried about the benchmarks that have been released. Do you guys think these are accurate? On some of the articles I have read the clock speeds they are claiming it is running are the speeds of the 820 not the 821. I mean the 6p scored higher on benchmarks than the pixel. How can these be right with the newest processor?
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I'd like it if you could actually find something that claims that the 6p is anywhere near pixel in performance benchmarks. Reality is that it is more than 2x faster across the board.
As far as comparing it with 820, there are two things you can accomplish with the "1" -- more speed, or less power. They seem to be opting for the latter.
All the benchmarks I could find show it against either apple, or samsuck. Samsuck is well known for building TO the benchmarks (sometimes even *cheating*), which causes their scores to be unnaturally high, and comparing against apple is just stupid, since there is no baseline between them due to architectural differences and a complete lack of a common software stack. In other words, in a comparison between pixel and anything made by apple, you could have a smaller number, despite *actually* being considerably higher. The number doesn't equate across platforms.
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I was just confused as to why a chip the snapdragon says should have a 10% increase in performance over the 820 is benchmarking lower than most 820's.
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That 10% is an interesting figure.
The SD820 has clock rates of 2.15 GHz on 2 cores, and 1.59 GHz on the other 2 cores.
Multiply by 1.1 (add 10%) and you get 2.365 and 1.749 GHz.
The SD821 has clock rates of 2.34 GHz on 2 cores and 2.19 GHz on the other 2 cores.
On those first two cores, that is marginally more the 10% higher clock rate. On the other 2 cores, it is considerably more than 10%. Note that a system's performance does NOT scale linearly with CPU frequency.
The other thing to note is that the pixel specs show it operating at 2x2.15+2x1.6 GHz, just like the SD820.
So what we can read from that, is that the pixel's CPUs are **underclocked**. That will allow it to use less battery power, and run cooler, while still running *really really fast*. If you want more, unlock and clock it up to 821 spec, I think you will find that this phone is an "overclocker's" dream, even if it isn't really overclocking.
That 10% figure comes directly from Qualcomm's publications on performance for the 821 vs 820.
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There actually are some differences in the 821 vs the 820. It's not the same chip exactly. A pretty great breakdown is here: https://www.gizmotimes.com/comparison/snapdragon-821-vs-snapdragon-820/16403
But essentially, slightly better power savings, improved camera performance, and a VR SDK.
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Good read, thanks.
I got my Note 5 yesterday (Global Version) and it will replace my Redmi 5 Plus. However, I anticipated that the performance and speed would (e.g. opening apps) be much better on Note 5, however, I only feel a small difference.
Im currently using global 8.5.11 Beta. Are the china roms any faster?
Even in comparision with a Mi Mix 2s - the performance is slighly noticeable.
MIUI's system performing well on every Xiaomi devices and there are mostly no differencies depending on your hardware.
I was wondering whether to get the Pro or Plus version but I feel the difference is small, it is a bit faster maybe but not so noticeable and what about the camera? How much better is the camera in Pro vs Plus? Also big thing is Plus has soooo much more rom support than Pro. They came out around same time,I don't know how long it will take for Pro to reach same amount of roms and I don't feel like the wait is so worth it.
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Even in comparision with a Mi Mix 2s - the performance is slighly noticeable.
MIUI's system performing well on every Xiaomi devices and there are mostly no differencies depending on your hardware.
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I have used both Mi Mix 1, Mi Mix 2 och Mi 5s Plus. All of these phones felt noticeably faster in comparison. Perhaps because of the faster memory or more optimized software.
Antutu Scores
I have both the Redmi 5 Plus (Global Stable 9.5.11.0 NEGMIFA) 625 SOC and the Redmi Note 5 AI China (Global Stable 9.5.11.0 OEIMIFA)636 SOC
The Antutu Scores are as follows:
Redmi 5 Plus (Global Stable 9.5.11.0 NEGMIFA) 77072 (CPU 38783, GPU 12693, UX 20377 and MEM 5219)
Redmi Note 5 AI (Global Stable 9.5.11.0 OEIMIFA 115507 (CPU 56020, GPU 20883, UX 32192 and MEM 6412)
I valso have a NOKIA 7 Plus which scores as follows, just to give a comparision.
141134 (CPU 64832, GPU 29994, UX 39242 and MEM 7066)660 SOC
Looking for the best phone for 300
Mi9
Much better camera hardware here.
It depends what's important to you.
Mi Note 10 is better at:
- Screen, Mi Note 10 has an AMOLED Screen with slightly better ppi (K30 comes with an IPS LCD)
- Way better cameras
- Battery
K30 5G is better at:
- Processor
- Slightly faster RAM
So if you want great photos and video with a great screen and a great battery = Mi Note 10
Gaming and overall performance speed, 5G data speed = K30