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Moto G scores in Antutu benchmark not improving

After the Antutu v5 update, scores for every device improved substantially, but it didn't improve a bit on the Moto G... Why is that? Even the nexus 4 now has a higher score than the Moto G!
BTW, the score in mine is ~17400

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The higher score I had until now in 4.4.4 is 18448, and I'm all stock.. no root, anything.. but Nexus 4 is 21000+ on antutu so, it seems something has changed on antutu's score system or what!?

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Nexus 4 got better GPU, better CPUs, is clocked higher and it has more RAM.
Do you actually still wonder?
Antutu 5 has implemented new 3d tests, which are much heavier, thus the better hardware on the Nexus 4 shows it's power.

How could every other device which scored lesser than 17000 score higher than 21000???? I still can't understand how the unite 2 scored 19000... More than the moto g...

liveroy said:
Nexus 4 got better GPU, better CPUs, is clocked higher and it has more RAM.
Do you actually still wonder?
Antutu 5 has implemented new 3d tests, which are much heavier, thus the better hardware on the Nexus 4 shows it's power.
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But then, why did it score lesser earlier? Was it intended to be a marketing gimmick from Motorola?

layman806 said:
But then, why did it score lesser earlier? Was it intended to be a marketing gimmick from Motorola?
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More like, that it was some limitation of antutu I guess.Or they have implemented some new techniques for benchmarking given part's performance..
Last, but certainly not least, could be some bug.
PS. They have also implemented a new single-thread benchmarking method, which may be the cause. The A15 cores in the S4 Pro have got way higher performance, than the modest low end A7s in the moto g's S400. The Snapdragon S4 Pro is close to Snapdragon 600, that S400.

[emoji29]OK... It means I was fooled all this time that moto g was better than a nexus... [emoji17]

layman806 said:
[emoji29]OK... It means I was fooled all this time that moto g was better than a nexus... [emoji17]
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Yea, you've lived in a lie
Also, the moto g was never meant to be better or compete with the Nexus 4. It it's better in some aspects like battery life, but overall these 2 devices are not the same class.Not to mention the price of N4 is still double that of moto g.

liveroy said:
Yea, you've lived in a lie
Also, the moto g was never meant to be better or compete with the Nexus 4. It it's better in some aspects like battery life, but overall these 2 devices are not the same class.Not to mention the price of N4 is still double that of moto g.
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Hmm... Looks like it... Are the graphics at least better than Nexus 4?

layman806 said:
Hmm... Looks like it... Are the graphics at least better than Nexus 4?
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If by "graphics" you mean GPU, then no, S4 Pro comes with Adreno 320, whereas S400 has Adreno 305.
Both are the same generation and the 320 is the top dog (found also in S600).It was replaced later by Adreno 330, which you can find in S800 and S801, which now is getting replaced by Adreno 420 (S805).

Is there a way to increase graphics performance?

I have the Note pro 12.2 wifi edition (sm-P900) and when playing games like Asphalt 8 there is some bad lag.
From what I understand the Snapdragon 800 versions of the Note Pro have better graphics performance.
Is there a way to increase the graphics performance of the Exynos version?

Not without physically replacing the GPU.
You see, the Snapdragon 800 version has an Adreno 330.
The Exynos version has a Mali-T628 MP6. That's the IntelHD of the mobile market, not suited for gaming at all.

That really sucks. Wish I had realized that before I bought the wifi edition. Ah well... Lol

The Snapdragon GPU comes out quicker than the Exynos in almost all tests but not always by very much. Both are beaten easily by an iPad Air and totally destroyed by an iPad air 2 though.
I don't play games on my p900 so I don't really care but I was surprised to find quite how different the technology is between the WiFi and LTE variants.

netizensmith said:
The Snapdragon GPU comes out quicker than the Exynos in almost all tests but not always by very much. Both are beaten easily by an iPad Air and totally destroyed by an iPad air 2 though.
I don't play games on my p900 so I don't really care but I was surprised to find quite how different the technology is between the WiFi and LTE variants.
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That's because those test regular use, not 3D intensive rendering. Games require the GPU, not just the CPU.

Yeah, I was talking about the GPU. I'm saying the LTE variant Note Pro is almost always quicker, usually only 10% or so but still quicker. It's also quicker for general, non-gpu intensive stuff. It's better all round. I would say that I doubt that a game that runs like crap on a p900 will perform brilliantly on an LTE variant (based on figures I've seen) but I'm ready to be proven wrong. Only game I play on my p900 is Baldur's gate and that's all pre-drawn backdrops and sprites so hardly taxing!

netizensmith said:
Yeah, I was talking about the GPU. I'm saying the LTE variant Note Pro is almost always quicker, usually only 10% or so but still quicker. It's also quicker for general, non-gpu intensive stuff. It's better all round. I would say that I doubt that a game that runs like crap on a p900 will perform brilliantly on an LTE variant (based on figures I've seen) but I'm ready to be proven wrong. Only game I play on my p900 is Baldur's gate and that's all pre-drawn backdrops and sprites so hardly taxing!
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Based on most all benchmarking the Exynos 5420 is faster on CPU intensive by around 10% or more and the Snapdragon 800 is 10% or more faster in the graphics side.

GPU Overclock performance

Hello 1+1 owners,
I just wanted to ask whether does GPU Overclocking on your OnePlus devices improve graphics performance. I've seen some kernels which supports GPU OC, so I'm asking those who already tried it.
I'm asking this because I've added GPU OC to my custom kernel for Lenovo Vibe Z2 Pro (which has the same Snapdragon 801), and although the GPU itself goes to 657MHz frequency step, I haven't noticed any improvements whatsoever, either in GPU Benchmarks (3DMark, GFXBench) or in android games.

Electry said:
Hello 1+1 owners,
I just wanted to ask whether does GPU Overclocking on your OnePlus devices improve graphics performance. I've seen some kernels which supports GPU OC, so I'm asking those who already tried it.
I'm asking this because I've added GPU OC to my custom kernel for Lenovo Vibe Z2 Pro (which has the same Snapdragon 801), and although the GPU itself goes to 657MHz frequency step, I haven't noticed any improvements whatsoever, either in GPU Benchmarks (3DMark, GFXBench) or in android games.
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That's because GPU overclocking isn't possible on this device, or any non A-family device (our chipset is B-family, and almost all Qualcomm devices released in the last 2 years are B-family). The GPU clock table is stored in TrustZone, so we can't touch it.
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I wonder why they did this. Are they pushing people to get and pay for devices with their newer soc's? That's bad news, really.
I remember modifying the gpu freq table on my Nexus 7 (T3) which helped to squeeze some extra power from the device.
Anyway, thanks @Sultanxda for explanation.

Electry said:
I wonder why they did this. First thing that came to my mind was the idea that they are pushing people to get and pay for devices with their newer soc's. That's bad news, really.
I remember modifying the gpu freq table on my Nexus 7 (T3) which helped to squeeze some extra power from the device.
Anyway, thanks @Sultanxda for explanation.
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I have a Nexus 7 2012 and all I can say is that Tegra is nowhere near the same level as Snapdragon. The T3 is super laggy, whereas even Snapdragon chips from 3 years ago are still running smoothly today. Our GPU and all of our hardware in general should be the least of your worries; the Snapdragon 801 is super overpowered, and the GPU on this thing won't be a cause for bottlenecks while gaming for probably another 2 years. 578MHz is more than plenty right now.

Sultanxda said:
I have a Nexus 7 2012 and all I can say is that Tegra is nowhere near the same level as Snapdragon. The T3 is super laggy, whereas even Snapdragon chips from 3 years ago are still running smoothly today. Our GPU and all of our hardware in general should be the least of your worries; the Snapdragon 801 is super overpowered, and the GPU on this thing won't be a cause for bottlenecks while gaming for probably another 2 years. 578MHz is more than plenty right now.
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True about T3, probably nvidia's biggest dissapointment.
Although Adreno 330 is already struggling with some more demanding games at 1440p (which is the resolution my phone has), GPU usage constantly hits 100% where at 1080p it only hit 60-70% (measured with GameBench). I was afraid that I will have to switch permanently to 1080p soon, just to maintain playable framerates (25+).

Electry said:
True about T3, probably nvidia's biggest dissapointment.
Although Adreno 330 is already struggling with some more demanding games at 1440p (which is the resolution my phone has), GPU usage constantly hits 100% where at 1080p it only hit 60-70% (measured with GameBench). I was afraid that I will have to switch permanently to 1080p soon, just to maintain playable framerates (25+).
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You can try changing the GPU governor to performance. Open a terminal emulator app and run these two commands:
Code:
su
echo performance > /sys/class/devfreq/f*/governor

S7 Edge benchmarks

Hey guys, can anyone run some basic benchmarks like geekbench and antutut and post them here? Would like to see what the phone score with the carrier bloatware and stuff. If you do it's much appreciated but could you post your cpu too 820 or 8890? Thanks guys

You can ask for it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/help/exynos-snapdragon-t3322784
There's already some scores available in there.

selbyftw said:
Hey guys, can anyone run some basic benchmarks like geekbench and antutut and post them here? Would like to see what the phone score with the carrier bloatware and stuff. If you do it's much appreciated but could you post your cpu too 820 or 8890? Thanks guys
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I am at work on my work PC so I can't upload a screen shot but Antutu Benchmark score 100% stock - 122,019 I usually have been getting around 92,000 on my Nexus 6p - rooted and tweaked with ac custom kernel.

mocsab said:
I am at work on my work PC so I can't upload a screen shot but Antutu Benchmark score 100% stock - 122,019 I usually have been getting around 92,000 on my Nexus 6p - rooted and tweaked with ac custom kernel.
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Most results so far : Snapdragon 820 = Antutu 120 -122000
Exynos = Antutu 127 - 129000
On Geekbench Snapdragon slightly better on single core,Exynos slightly better on multi core. So only marginal differences in benchmark results.
In daily use both are blazing fast ...

Best yet for me... it is no exynos, but I will take it

aaronc_98 said:
Best yet for me... it is no exynos, but I will take it
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My note 5 has exynos and I haven't been able to get more than 92,000 or so - honestly the benchmarks don't mean much - maybe they make us feel good a little - but in the end, the real test is how it performs in real life and honestly all of these Flagship phones are pretty amazing. I am really impressed with the S7 - and other than a little bloat, I don't find much to complain about with the new Touchwiz/Marshmallo in the S7 Edge. AND I love the expanded features for the Edge itself...really nice phone.

Only the second day on this phone. I like it!
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Just a casual run on the snapdragon version. Didn't cool it or anything

Wow those are some great runs guys, the geekbench is a little lower than expected. On certain s6 roms I've gotten about 5100 on multicore, but for stock those seem pretty good.
Is the general consensus that both cpu's are as good as each other with both slightly out performing one in certain areas?

Can someone run gfxbench battery test on snapdragon and upload performance graphs here. Interesting to see gpu performance degradation.

Can someone please run a workbench from PCmark?
That is the most usefull benchmark at the moment
thanks in advance

selbyftw said:
Wow those are some great runs guys, the geekbench is a little lower than expected. On certain s6 roms I've gotten about 5100 on multicore, but for stock those seem pretty good.
Is the general consensus that both cpu's are as good as each other with both slightly out performing one in certain areas?
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Just keep in mind the s6 has 8 cores to throw at it. Thats why its multicore score holds up well. Once we consider the single core score and that the 820 only has 4 cores its rather impressive.
I ran pcmark and got about 6k last night. Just keep in mind that pcmark is much more representative of the governor's ability to react to loads etc, than a representation of raw power. If you ran it on performance governor for instance, the score would be much higher.

TANKRED_ENDURES said:
Can someone run gfxbench battery test on snapdragon and upload performance graphs here. Interesting to see gpu performance degradation.
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Hopefully these show you what you want

Xileforce said:
Hopefully these show you what you want
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wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269

TANKRED_ENDURES said:
wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
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I have no clue what that site says....

TANKRED_ENDURES said:
wow, it looks like exynos 8890 have better sustained performance, kinda surprasing
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
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Surprising? The ghost of the 810 still haunts the 820 a bit.
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I have no clue what that site says....
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Here's the exynos, notice that it stays above 2.5ghz till around the 21 minute mark, while the sd820 starts throttling after 6 minutes.

peachpuff said:
Surprising? The ghost of the 810 still haunts the 820 a bit.
Here's the exynos, notice that it stays above 2.5ghz till around the 21 minute mark, while the sd820 starts throttling after 6 minutes.
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I just wish I understood the metric. It's not GHz because the GPUs only run around 650mhz. From what i can tell the adreno is much higher peak then suddenly drops for a second and jumps back up. Which seems weird if it's throttling. Normally it would go low and stay low, like the 8890 does in the graph. I'll have to compare to my s6 later. Test takes forever.....

Xileforce said:
I just wish I understood the metric. It's not GHz because the GPUs only run around 650mhz. From what i can tell the adreno is much higher peak then suddenly drops for a second and jumps back up. Which seems weird if it's throttling. Normally it would go low and stay low, like the 8890 does in the graph. I'll have to compare to my s6 later. Test takes forever.....
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Its not GHz, it's number of frames in one iteration of test. I suspect thermal driver in snapdragon variant is maybe broken, because It's weird what performance halfed every 2 minutes. In real games it would be noticeable.

Can't say I'm dissapionted with my 820 s7e. Great real world performance and benchmarks very well.

I'm the uk so I'll be getting the 8890, from what I can see from you guys both chips are good but I think the sd820 may have some thermal isssues again. Both score very well in real world performance. If your sd820 gets really hot at least you can dip it in some iced water now

S7 8890 or 820

Hello,
Im currently using a Samsung Galaxy S6 32gb and i love this phone and for me its a very good phone, it has everything i need, i have 9 pages of apps in the app drawer all my movie, games, pics, docs and songs and the phone never let me down but im a performance kinda guy and while i love the performance of the s6 after watching the unpacked 2016 i have decided to get the s7 but after doing so looking i found that the 8890 is more of a CPU SoC while the 820 is more of a GPU SoC so i wanna know i want to have the full S7 experience complete with the gear vr and vulkan api so which one should i get i know that the 820 is a 2+2 CPU with the GPU is doing about 550+ gflops while the 8890 is 4+4 and the GPU is doing about 250+ gflops so which one should i get and why and what are the pros and cons of each one
Thanks a lot and sorry for the long post

The only thing that matters is if you care about AOSP ROMs or not. If you do, Snapdragon is your only choice.

As said before I think there will not be a big difference in regards to the performance. The SD820 tends to be a little bit faster in single core applications, while the Exynos will perform better for multi core applications. Will you notice it? I doubt so.
The GPU in the SD820 is indeed faster, but potentially oversized, too (produces more heat => throttles more). So while benchmarks could be better, after some minutes the GPUs are (more or less) on the same high. Some people will agree, some will not
I think the only point that really matters is if you would like to get custom roms, mainly AOSP roms, at a certain time. With the SD820 your chances are a lot higher. Apart from that...

kaspar737 said:
The only thing that matters is if you care about AOSP ROMs or not. If you do, Snapdragon is your only choice.
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cerbsium said:
As said before I think there will not be a big difference in regards to the performance. The SD820 tends to be a little bit faster in single core applications, while the Exynos will perform better for multi core applications. Will you notice it? I doubt so.
The GPU in the SD820 is indeed faster, but potentially oversized, too (produces more heat => throttles more). So while benchmarks could be better, after some minutes the GPUs are (more or less) on the same high. Some people will agree, some will not
I think the only point that really matters is if you would like to get custom roms, mainly AOSP roms, at a certain time. With the SD820 your chances are a lot higher. Apart from that...
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Im not actually into costume roms at all, i actually like the Samsung rom with the touch wiz ui so i guess it will be the 8890 since there wont be any real world noticeable difference

exynos gives 38k em 3d antutu and snap 820 50k, for games snap 820 will be better

matheus_sc said:
exynos gives 38k em 3d antutu and snap 820 50k, for games snap 820 will be better
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You're confusing benchmark scores with game performance. Despite the difference you list (which I suspect, from Exynos' perspective, is the worst result amongst many), I'll be amazed if you find a single game with a discernible performance increase on the Snapdragon. It's all about the heat and power efficiency, there could well be a difference between the two in that respect.

Noob question
How do I tell which one I have?

thafz said:
How do I tell which one I have?
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Are you in america? Then you have the snapdragon, elsewhere gets the exynos.

peachpuff said:
Are you in america? Then you have the snapdragon, elsewhere gets the exynos.
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Okay thanks I also ran the benchmark last night and it shows there exynos. Actually thought I had the 820 since mine gets pretty warm

matheus_sc said:
exynos gives 38k em 3d antutu and snap 820 50k, for games snap 820 will be better
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Wouldn't be accurate to say the exynos has a faster CPU and generally performs better in day to day tasks, while the adreno has a faster GPU which would do better with high end 3D gaming?