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What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Cant say that am agree with you,
And i own both phone.
You can go to this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...uawei-p20-pro-share-fantastic-t3774488/page15 to read more discussion about camera.
Conclusion is. P20 Pro is not your another point and shoot kind of camera. Its more like a photographer tool. It give you best result when you play around the setting and willing to go through the learning curve of using various camera mode. Not a fully auto like in our pixel 2 :laugh:
I'm very satisfied with the camera. Although I agree that the software can be on the heavy side when sharpening and smoothing areas. Havent tried RAW mode yet, but I'll experiment some more with that later.
Dark shots are amazing when using auto or night mode. I mean, considering doing them without a tripod.
any test gcam in p20 pro?
I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
Megaromania said:
What do u guys think of the camera?
Compared it to the pixel 2 and seriously that damn hdr on the google side is just insane.
P20 Pro loses alot of details even in normal shots.
Even in night shots pixel 2 captures so many details.
For some reason the ai also stands in the way, greenery mode especially cranks up the shadows and so many details are lost
I am kinda disappointed in the camera department.
Hopefully huawei will work on a better hdr in their future updates.
Pixel 2 is still the king of smartphone photography, can only imagine what will happen if pixel 3 goes dual cameras.
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Try Night Mod in daylight it is better then Pixel HDR+. Thats what I see on meny photo comparisons.
Yes
You are definitely right! I looked at the original 40 MP photos taken with p20 pro with excitement. I zoomed in and saw that there is no good amount of detail! They looked like low quality 10-12 MP photos! In low light it might take better photos because it has a larger sensor but in low light nope..
I can definitely say that Huawei didn't focus on the "software" enough (shame on Huawei), that's very unfortunate considering this phone has a good camera hardware.
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I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
No issues with the camera, if you are wanting top notch photos then use a dedicated DLSR, the camera on the P20 Pro is the bridge between full on DSLR and Phone camera and does produce some outstanding results, just mess about with the settings, its not like other phone cameras and as a lot more settings/features to play with. I use my DLSR cameras for main photos while my P20 Pro will be for quick snaps when out and about and don't want to carry my main cameras.
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I am. Sold my p20 pro because of the camera and touch lag. I primarily take photos of people in indoor lighting at night, p20 pro just can't keep up with pixel 2 xl's crazy detail particularly in that situation. Using night mode gets it closer, but still can't beat the hdr+.
Also, the problem with night mode is that it is not a simple switch on the main interface. We have to scroll scroll, click, aaaand the moment's gone.
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its a pity that you still use old software at that time,
.107 bring on much improved auto HDR. much detail are preserved, and it produce more consistent results on various scene now
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I have Pixel 2 and P20 Pro and disagree. The Pixel has far too omuch noise in indoor lighting, the P20 pro is just as quick at taking the shot and is clearer with less noise.
As for the Night mode... usually it's for buildings and such to get great low light phots... So we scroll... and click... aaaannnd the moment is still there unless the building fell over... haha.
HDR+ on the Pixel is good, but i'm afraid it just got toppled. Even the non HDR shots on the P20 Pro (with AI off) are better in all scenarios.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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wow, much prefer the pixel shots
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from a S8 Plus and Iphone 8 plus. The camera on the Huawei p20 Pro is weak as hell compared to those two.
Sorry, but it was just marketing.
Selling the phone and going another route.
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Coming from every flagship the last two years I have to utterly disagree on your statement. Of course each to their own.
It's not perfect but the the versatility alone is huge. Night mode is certainly not a marketing ploy, it really does work and as advertised!
Can't wait to go on using 4 seconds breaks for a photo at night.
Auto is useless. Everything is over sharpened.
Oil for all of us.
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The camera is amazing im sorry but it's the best camera I've ever used in a phone period.
Certain situations call for certain features to be used, but I'm in no way disappointed, it's a complete beast, there isn't a phone on the planet that comes close, perhaps the pixel 2 but only maybe on video.
I am not really disapointed , but for a phone focusing on it's camera so much , i would like some added features.
I'ts nice to have AI available , but sometimes i would like to leave my own personal touch on my photo's. So why not include the AI "modes" into the filters menu ? That way i can pick the mode and strength i want to see , when i want to see it.
Manual HDR mode , effect is only marginal ? can't set any HDR bracketing options.
Sometimes, in high contrast scenes, HDR kick's in automatically , without warning or any way to cancel it. The effect is really pronounced then.
Pro mode : where is the bracketing ? Sharpening settings ? Noise removal settings ?
RAW : is not really raw , there is some weird effect where noise seems to be converted to dancing lines. Lens distortion is removed , but vignetting is still present ?
I also would like to have an option to save the "developed" photo in a lossless format (with some extra bit depth) in stead of JPG.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Wc9KBJPHaCbV3l63
Not here to argue anything cuz these are the kind of photos I mainly take now with phones. To each their own. Check info to find out which taken with what. P20 pro came closest when using night mode
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Wow! that's stark! thanks for posting, it's exactly the type of images I plan to shoot and I was looking for a direct comparison between the Pixel 2 and the P20 Pro when shooting people in dimly lit indoors.
I suppose you had turned beauty mode down to 0, which however did not switch it off in earlier versions of the camera software.
Is the problem still present with the latest camera update (.128)?
Does shooting in Photo mode preserve more detail?
Thanks.
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otonieru said:
Ah, i see now. Then i would agree with you,
Pixel 2 XL would suit you much better for this kind of quick snapshot around the house,
using P20 Pro for this kind of shots would be a waste of money. Pixel algorithm do better job on that
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You said it, it's a software problem. The P20 Pro comes with superior camera hardware (a much larger main sensor to start with), so I really don't understand why it has to ruin skin in indoor shots to that extent.
From what users report it's all a matter of not being able to turn beautification off completely.
I've read that since update .128 the overprocessing issue was improved.
Does this also apply to skin?
How would such shots appear if shot in Photo mode, or RAW?
I ask about RAW because apparently Huawei's RAW images are also processed, at least geometrically, e.g. by applying lens distortion correction, so I can't be sure that pixel values are unaltered.
I purchased the P20 Pro specifically for the camera as I'm a professional photographer and want the best IQ out of my always with me smartphone camera. I have owned the P20 Pro for almost two months now and have seen a dramatic improvement in the camera software over that time. The initial, pre 107 firmware was terrible with regard to raw color vignetting and at first I was fairly disappointed. The 107 firmware corrected the raw color vignetting issue, though of course there is still the typical natural vignetting that occurs with a small lens and large sensor (and yes, often the sensor DOES affect vignetting due to how it receives non parallel light rays from the lens). So natural, non color shifting vignetting was not really a surprise and does not bother me at all. I'm very happy with the IQ from 40MP raw images now. It's not going to match my 36MP full frame camera in good light of course but for a smartphone, the P20 Pro is pretty amazing.
Probably my biggest positive surprise with the P20 Pro (beyond the software capabilities of Night Mode) is the quality of the black & white camera. Really nice tonality, no doubt somewhat due to the Leica involvement.
Anyway, I'm now on the 131 firmware and the additional improvements I would like to see are more user control over color saturation, noise reduction and sharpness (and I would also love to be able to tweak how the Master AI option deals with color and color saturation). For the B&W camera, I would really, really love a raw option as well as control of noise reduction and sharpness as I occasionally see where the very aggressive noise reduction completely smooths/ blurs very fine distant detail such as grass.
As far as all the noise about the P20 Pro camera not being as good vs phone X, etc. I would say that there is a higher learning curve to getting the most out of the cameras in the P20 Pro. I see this as the best option for a more experienced user who is looking for the absolute best IQ available today out of a smartphone. For someone looking for the best, "no hassle" snapshots from a smartphone, there may be better options though that does seem to be improving with every firmware update of the P20 Pro.
Guys, I am planning to purchase a flagship recently, Samsung S9 was my favour before known Honor 10 from Honor hub of XDA ‘【The New Species in Color】Honor 10 makes Galaxy S9 looks boring！！！’. Honestly, the colour Aurora violet impressed me a lot. S9 looks a little bit boring (S9 still looks much better than iPhone 8) compared with Honor 10. Exclude the ID design, the specification of Honor 10 still not worse than S9.
It is no doubt the absolute performance of Kirin 970 is slightly weaker than Snapdragon 845 or Exynos 9810, but the high performance of 845 can do nothing exclude game! (Well, I’m not a gaming addict) In contrast, the NPU innovated in 970 is awesome, especially utilised for scene recognition and semantic image segmentation mode in camera. To illustrate this two AI technology, I quote the official explanation from Honor below:
The Honor 10’s AI camera was developed and supported by the NPU processor in the Kirin 970 chipset, which means it recognises 500+ scenarios in 22 categories real-time. It can pinpoint the outlines of various surrounding objects, like the sky, plants, people and waterfall, and identify their locations. This feature is supported by the industry-first Semantic Image Segmentation technology, which allows the Honor 10 to identify multiple objects in one single image. It is here where the Honor 10 stands out from the crowd at the first place. Furthermore, the industry-first Honor 10 features apply scene-specific parameters to each photo real-time when taking a picture, making every photo you take professional at just one click.
IT’S REALLY COOL!!!!
I’m sure there will be more AI utilizations in the future based on NPU. Currentlutilizationisation of new technology on the phone is much more rational than pursuing absolute performance blindly.
In the unlock aspects, S9 has iris recognition, facial recognition and fingerprint on the back. But I prefer the ultrasonic fingerprint on Honor 10 since it not only located on the front but also work with a wet finger. By the way, the facial recognition also present on Honor 10 lol…
And the battery of Honor 10 is 3400mAh which is more than 3000mAh in S9. I think Samsung is too conservative on both battery capacity and fast charge after the issue of Note 7, the small battery and outdated 18V fast-charging technology make S9 less attractive. Moreover, the SuperCharge of Honor provides 5V 4.5A = 22.5W keeps phone cool when charging compared with the high voltage 18W QC2.0 (9V 2A). The cool SuperCharge makes me feel more reliable than hot QC2.0, cause I always worry that my Galaxy S7 ‘Boom’ when I charging, it’s really hot!!!
Honor 10 has launched in China last week, ¥2599 (€340) for 64GB; ¥2999 (€391) for 128GB which is much cheaper than Galaxy S9 (nearly €1,000).
As the global launch event will be held on May 15th in the UK, I am so curious about the price. Here I listed some of the core specs of the two phones.
What price do you guys think this psychedelic new phone from Honor is going to be?
€400 or €500?
I have prepared €1,000 for S9 before, but now I think I can purchase two Honor 10 for me and my wife lol…
I would choose Honor 10.I just like huawei more.Price quality and specs ratio hands down for honor 10.
I would buy nokia 7 plus for superior build quality and stock android and faster updates and good battery
With Honor 10 in my hands for 4 days, I would say go buy it if you don't mind the over saturated camera, especially the overly airbrushed human faces in photos. So much for "AI camera"... I regretted my ¥2999.
Fair to say though the phone looks gorgeous and the notch can be turned off...
If I have another chance, I would rather wait for 1+6
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With Honor 10 in my hands for 4 days, I would say go buy it if you don't mind the over saturated camera, especially the overly airbrushed human faces in photos. So much for "AI camera"... I regretted my ¥2999.
Fair to say though the phone looks gorgeous and the notch can be turned off...
If I have another chance, I would rather wait for 1+6
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Can't you send it back ? Wtf
haitaoh said:
With Honor 10 in my hands for 4 days, I would say go buy it if you don't mind the over saturated camera, especially the overly airbrushed human faces in photos. So much for "AI camera"... I regretted my ¥2999.
Fair to say though the phone looks gorgeous and the notch can be turned off...
If I have another chance, I would rather wait for 1+6
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Ok, that sounds terrible! Can you post some inages, with and without AI. some faces, plants, landscapes/city images? that would be greatly appreciated!
"especially the overly airbrushed human faces in photos."
Ah, but that makes the images 'professional' apparently. I think I'll stick to a proper, straight set of images that I can post process, should I so choose, with photoshop...
If honor 10 will launch in India with base variant at 35k then there is no competition with oneplus 6. Everyone go for the oneplus 6 at 37k. Also honor has unspecified version of gorilla glass protection. But oneplus 6 has gorilla glass 5. Last time honor launched it's honor v10 that has some of the better specs with it's bigger battery and price at just 30k of 128gb variant and also the display quality.
"Can you post some inages, with and without AI. some faces, plants, landscapes/city images? ..."
Unfortunately I don't have much spare time during the day - but I will try but not very soon.
"but that makes the images 'professional' apparently"
I guess those PS effect automation is the so-called "intelligence" of current camera-hype. I just don't like the overexposed and airburshed fake faces - some might like it though.
Colleage of mine who has s8+ said to me the same thing. He owned Piexl 1 before and would go back to Pixel 3 (when out) solely for the camera department.
Apart from camera the fingerprint recognition of Honor 10 is hardly usable with dry hands - face unlock is fatastic though.
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With Honor 10 in my hands for 4 days, I would say go buy it if you don't mind the over saturated camera, especially the overly airbrushed human faces in photos. So much for "AI camera"... I regretted my ¥2999.
Fair to say though the phone looks gorgeous and the notch can be turned off...
If I have another chance, I would rather wait for 1+6
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Can I turn off the AI camera if I don't want the "intelligent" effect?
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Can I turn off the AI camera if I don't want the "intelligent" effect?
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You can, only partially. It has apeture, portrait and photo mode. In portrait mode you can set beauty level and photo mode has AI switch. I have set beauty level 0 and AI off - improving to some extent - but to me the photos are still overexposed and unnatual.
Selfie camera is more obvious even with beauty level 0.
BTW the phone was bought from China in a trip and I live in NZ so returning is a real challenge. I decided to keep it despite of the annoyances. I like the size and the looks of the body, dual sim functionality, and able to customise the UI to my liking...
Hello,
In my country I can get the Pixel2 and Huawei P20 at around the same price, P20 being a bit cheaper, depending on the deals.
Now I am aware that Pixel 2 is an older device but it has it's pros.
What I like and dislike about p20:
+ lcd screen without Pulse With Modulation
+ modern design
+ dual cameras
+ fingerprint scanner on the front, making easier to unlock when on my desk
+ fingerprint scanner gestures which allows disabling the nav bar
+ software with customization
- notch, but from what I've read it can be disabled easily
- no stereo
- back glass which can be broken and is slippery
- updates my come slow
What I like and dislike about Pixel2
+ another almost 2 years of updates
+ metal back
+ stereo speakers
- amoled with PWM
- design
Usually reviews tend to be for the P20 Pro, especially long term ones so the P20 is a bit shadowed by it. I do not root or use custom roms. I do like to read on the phone, that is why no PWM comes as an advantage. I also need it to take great pictures without too much config. So if anyone owned P20, can share the downsides compared with Pixel 2? How are the cameras in comparison ? Are there any downsides of Pixel 2 in terms of hardware issues?
Thank you for your time.
Pixel 2, no contest. P20 may be a better device on paper, but it can't stand a chance next to the Pixel 2. My colleague has one, and we've compared the cameras, the Pixel 2 beats P20 in every shot (except maybe zoom on some occasions).
Software wise, ugh. EMUI on the P20 is just garbage and feels like Android KitKat and iOS 7 had a baby. Just no.
So from me, get yourself a Pixel 2 and enjoy.
I love my Pixel 2. I only wish it got some better battery life. It's actually the best size for me. I don't mind the bezel because of the dual stereo speakers.
Thank you very much for your answers.
I use the Pixel 2, owned the p20 for a few months.
It is a tough call, but i would go for the pixel again no question about it. But it depends on what you value more.
The camera on the pixel us much more reliable always good shots . software experience much better. I use gestures on the Pixel ( Fluid NG app).
For me the P20 was better on battery and screen size.the fingerprint gestures are great as well. The speakers better on the pixel of course.
@icstrim1 you mention that the camera on pixel is more reliable, does this mean that on P20 you got bad pictures some times? Or does the P20 require more adjustments before taking a picture? Also the software isn't more customizable that the one on pixel?
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@icstrim1 you mention that the camera on pixel is more reliable, does this mean that on P20 you got bad pictures some times? Or does the P20 require more adjustments before taking a picture? Also the software isn't more customizable that the one on pixel?
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On the auto mode with Huawei i got bad pictures sometimes, oversharpens a lot especially in rock walls or buildings. Also folliage backround detail looks more realistic on the Pixel.
I couldn't get rid of the oversharpening on the Huawei, there seem to be no real cure for auto mode.
If you take photos of children or landscape, the Pixel is a better choice in my view.
I prefer the clean Android, much smoother , almost addictive. But emui is not too bad.
Thank you o much @icstrim1, very helpful information.
One last question, the P20 has a screen without Pulse With Modulation, while the Pixel's amoled has around 245Hz PWM. Do you notice any eye strain/tiredness or other issues on the pixel's screen vs P20?
Thank you again for your time
You are welcome.
I actually like the oled more, no issues with eye strain.
Let me know if you have other questions.
I have the P40 pro so no I’m not trolling here, honest!
One of the main reasons I went with the P40 was the camera, and after a week or so with it I am impressed, just not blown away in the same way I was a year ago with the P30 pro. It is good just not as good as I was expecting and in most every day scenarios the pixel or current iPhone are better (IMO)
Certainly I am not seeing what a lot of reviewers have that’s for sure.
How is everybody else finding theirs?
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I find Samsungs offering, s20 ultra, better in camera, at least in my eyes.
I don't like skin tones from p40. Look a bit unnatural
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Honestly speaking I also feel the camera a bit overrated.... Yes, its very good - but the competitors have stepped up and deliver a comparable experience and image quality... Only the 5x optical zoom remains, at least comparing it some of the competitors....
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I find Samsungs offering, s20 ultra, better in camera, at least in my eyes.
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I would not go that far :laugh:
Seriously though I have recently sold my S20 Ultra, for every day photos of people and pets i.e. anything that might not be perfectly still I just could not trust it. It is 100% software IMO, I just do not think that Samsung get it. Otherwise I really liked the Ultra, but a camera I can trust is an important feature, does not have to be the best.
Back to the P40 pro, it has got me thinking as to how many 'sponsored' reviews are out there? Or more likely a lot of reviewers are more worried with buildings or how sharp that street sign looks at 50x zoom i.e. not real world stuff.
Competitors, namely the S20 have had a few software upgrades that have optimised the camera. Oneplus users have also reported much better camera performace follwing an update.
I would wait until Huwaei releases a couple more updates (in China they have released at least 2 more already); no doubt it should come optimised out of the box but this is the case with all manufacturers.
I believe the camera produces an excellent photo in 80% of the photos I take when I am not really focused in getting the best shot possible (point and shoot style) - the not so good ones has mostly to do with bad framing, inadequate composition, not holding still, subject moving too fast, etc.
It is also worth learning about all the options in the camera inteface and play around with them, I have improved the quality of my shots by making the most of the things I can change in the UI; you will not get a better PRO mode on any other camera in my opinion. I have also learnt, for example, that disabling the AI in some scenarios produces better and more natural shots. Switching off beautification mode helps with the skin tone, etc... If you cannot be bothered with that, with actually toggling options and seeing what works best in different scenarios and what works best for you, then maybe it is not the best phone for you.
The only mode where I think I was disapointed to an extent is the night mode but I do not think that it is a hardware problem. I think it is a colour calibration issue which can be rectified at software level.
At the end of the day we see things differently and have different tastes in photography. I like the Huwaei style and that is why I have chosen it (the pre-order gifts have also gave it a push and of course the challenge of modding it to allow for GMS to work - that is why we are all here right?).
I am sure the camera will be improved with a few more tweaks to the software, especially the night mode.
So far I am really happy with the phone and especially with the camera; I would not say that it is overrated but perhaps your expectations were much higher than mine!
Cheers,
L.
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... you will not get a better PRO mode on any other camera in my opinion.
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Unfortunately, that just means that other PRO modes are even worse than our P40 Pro's PRO mode.
I regard the PRO mode as an unbearable nuisance. It had been a fully-fledged catastrophy with the P20 Pro - and Huawei didn't learn a single lesson since then.
We've got such a capable camera system - totally crippled by that "Pro" mode making every non-newbee boil with rage. :/
Just a few short examples:
Huawei provided the option of locking some settings, so they won't change after restarting the camera. I can lock Exposure compensation (EV), Autofocus mode and White balance - but I cannot lock ISO, Metering mode and Manual focus!
ISO: High ISO values cause grainy pictures, thus I wish to keep my ISO as low as possible. One of the most important settings. And Huawei doesn't allow locking that.
Metering: Spot metering ist the way to go if you don't do just point-and-shoot. Full range metering (default) calculates a kind of brightness average - resulting in lighter parts of the picture burning out. This is not recoverable (not even with RAW files), the details are gone forever. That's why we better use a bright spot for precise metering, even if the whole picture gets a bit darker. Darker parts can be saved, burned out parts are gone forever. And Huawei doesn't allow locking the metering mode to spot!
Manual focus: Manual focus is just unusable (thus not being able to lock it doesn't mean the end of this world).
But: To be able to manually focus, I need to press on AF, choose Manual focus. Then a focus bar appears almost in the middle of the screen, covering the picture, forcing me to use the tip of my finger on the picture, thus I don't see great parts of the motif anymore. Then I am unable to focus correctly because there is NO MEANS for helping me focus, like focus peaking, just NOTHING. I can just watch the tiny picture getting more and less blurry and guess where I could set the focus to achieve a half-way sharp picture. In the end, the finished photo shows I guessed wrong. I don't see any details while focusing, I cannot switch to an enlarged display for being able to set the focus correctly. Just guess, just hope somewhere in the middle between two blurry settings could be somewhere near sharp.
Plus: The focus bar disappears after 4 seconds. So it you need some more time, the bar is gone, you need to tap AF again. And if you wish to tap the bar while it just disappeared, your whole focus setting is also gone because your finger hit some part of the picture as the focus bar isn't there anymore - and focuses on the part you just accidentally tapped. It's unbelievably stupid.
That's why manual focus is just a pain in the you-know-where with almost no practical use at all.
And we really, really need manual focusing with that shallow depth of field due to an aperture of 1.9, especially for close range shots.
Had been that way with the P20 Pro, didn't improve at all over time.
And that's just a few reasons why that "Pro" mode isn't much more than a useless toy.
Sorry to say, sincerely. I really, really hope it gets better. :/
I am still happy about the "Pro" mode being there - because it provides some BASIC means (like choosing ISO and metering mode); but that's no PRO features, that's basic features which should be present with all "non-pro" modes anyway.
It has been a while since I had the P30 Pro but I remember that being on a par with the Pixel 4 and iPhone 11 pro which right now the P40 is not (other than at full zoom) I am talking the main camera here mostly.
Don't get me wrong in most conditions it is infinitely better than the Exynos S20 Ultra I had I am just talking about vs. the very best, I got the P40 pro for the camera so it really has to excel to make the other workarounds worth it.
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It has been a while since I had the P30 Pro but I remember that being on a par with the Pixel 4 and iPhone 11 pro which right now the P40 is not (other than at full zoom) I am talking the main camera here mostly.
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How about telling a bit more? Do you like the color of the glass covering the camera lenses better with the iPhone? Do you dislike the rectangular shape of the telephoto lens? Or what?
So please go into detail, show comparison photos, FULL resolution, accompanied with EXIF data, point at the differences.
the pricing is totally wrong the camera is average to pretty good depending on how you use it, but P30 pro is found at 400 euro atm while they try to sell this turd GMS-less for 1000 euro + watches etc. instead should've been priced competitively at the price of Poco Phone outside of China
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the pricing is totally wrong the camera is average to pretty good depending on how you use it, but P30 pro is found at 400 euro atm while they try to sell this turd GMS-less for 1000 euro + watches etc. instead should've been price competitively at the price of Poco Phone outside China
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It would be very kind of you if you had anything to say about the topic. I am pretty sure there's some dedicated forums for anything else.
Also, it would be very kind of you if you could put a little effort into discovering the use of punctuation marks and capital letters. Those tricky little things indeed are a great help for making your post understandable, saving other users a bunch of time otherwise needed for reading your posts again and again - in despair for finding logical blocks allowing to extract some meaning, if any.
Simply put: If you've got nothing to say, just don't. And if you've got something to say, please adhere to some basic rules of communication and mutual understanding, preferably refraining from the use of swear words.
A GREAT start would be showing us some comparison pictures of the same subject taken at the same time from the same position, taken with P40 Pro, P30 Pro and Pocophone, accompanied with EXIF data.
Thank you.
the most useless post for 2020 good one junior
I have just received an update (Three network - UK). Has anyone played with the camera after the update and noticed any improvements?
After nearly one month of use, I decided to write an initial review of Vivo X50 Pro+. The main reason is that Vivo as a part of the Chinese BBK Electronic concern is the least known brand in the west, and I believe unjustifiably.
There are three brands under BBK - Vivo, Oppo, and OnePlus. While the first two were at the beginning success only in the Indian market, the last one is well known in the west too. In fact, it was intended for the west and OnePlus phones were known to bring the most bang for the buck except for the average camera (supposedly no more).
And even Oppo made a great breakthrough with the last models. Only Vivo is left behind.
So why buying a Vivo phone if you are not from the east? And why buying X50 Pro+ exactly?
There are many good reasons for this. Let’s look at them closely.
Design
Even I have to admit I’m anything but a fan of the curved screen (my dream phone design is the Nokia 9.3 concept (https://www.phonearena.com/news/nokia-9-3-pureview-5g-concept-renders_id124342) I accept the reality for the time being and I really hope that that madness evaporates quickly. The curved screen is unpractical (distortion and false touches around the corner) but at least I managed to improve the phone outfit by buying a nice case for a few euros. I bought a model with the glass back (glass back is the second design failure I’m fed up with it’s heavy and fragile). There is a really stunning X50 Pro+ model with faux camel leather but then, I’m not yet prepared to go naked, exposing the back of the phone and especially all precious cameras to all unpredictable harsh situations. Hence I bought a really nice case instead of having an exceptional designed phone.
Display
OK, the part of the phone design is a display. X50 Pro+ comes with a nice E3 AMOLED panel with DCI-P3 color gamut, supporting 120Hz high refresh rate and 240Hz touch sampling rate, and has a peak brightness of 1300nit It also supports HDR10+. The E3 means that the display adds 8% to energy efficiency and has reduced blue glare. Otherwise, it has vivid full colors and sharp picture, which is well seen even under the direct sun. It has a small unnoticeable hole for the front camera, adjustable refresh rate, automatic brightness control, night mode, and three adjustable manifestations: home screen, lock screen and always-on display. What I miss is a chance to put your email on the lock screen, you know, it might be helpful if you lose the phone.
Camera
It is a while when the Vivo camera has been the last time evaluated on DXO. And I’m yet to try the camera in all its functionality. But I’ve already had a chance to compare the shootings with the Huawei P40 Pro and I have to say that I’m impressed. The main sensor among the four is the GN1 camera of Samsung, which supports Dual PD and Tetracell technology, which has 50 million pixels, a single pixel of 1.2μm. The output is 12.5 million pixels, and the single-pixel is 2.4μm, which increases the light sensitivity by four times. ISOCELL GN1 has Samsung’s pixel isolation technology ISOCELL Plus, which uses a physical barrier to isolate the pixels so that more light is collected by the microlens and then absorbed by the pixel’s photodiode.*The result is higher color fidelity and higher sensitivity, bringing natural tones and shadows to high-resolution photography. There is a 13 megapixel portrait camera, which has an f/2.4 aperture, a focal length of 50mm, and a double zoom. The 8 megapixel sensor offers 5x optical and 60x digital zoom. Panoramic pictures, on the other hand, can be taken with the 8-megapixel wide-angle lens.*On the front side, there is a 32 megapixel front camera, which offers an f/2.4 aperture.
Battery
I must admit, I’m immodest as far as the battery is concerned. I came from the Huawei Mate 20X side, I had a 5mAh battery, I’m not a gamer, rather a surfing addict. But surprisingly I noticed that Vivo manages consumption rather well without compromising performance. I manage through a long day easily, usually, I have enough power for two consecutive days.
Hardware
As you might know, X50 Pro+ uses to date the last SoC of Qualcomm, the SM8250 Snapdragon 865 (7 nm+). My phone comes with the 256GB ROM 12GB RAM UFS 3.1. It is fast, reliable, and smooth. The 4G antennas cover all common world bands (exceptions are band 20 of EU and more exotic US bands - like TM 66, 71, V 13, 46, 48, 66 and ATT 14,29,30,66). It is understandable, the phone is meant for Asian markets. And it supports both SA/NSA 5G frequencies 1, 3, 41, 77, 78, 79. That means that it had to cover the most common 5G specter in EU (where it exist) and one 5G band from Sprint (41) for TM in the USA.
Otherwise, the X50 Pro+ has both VoLTE and WoWiFi enabled and it must support Netflix too (I don’t use it). The nice move from Vivo is Wifi 2.4 and 5 aggregation and smooth switching from wifi to mobile when needed.
Software and customization
As expected X50 Pro+ comes with a lot of Chinese applications hardly usable anywhere else. Most of them could be removed from settings, others are removable (and retrievable) with adb shell pm uninstall --user 0.
After thoroughly removing unwanted apps there are negligible Chinese traces remain. One is, for example, when you get deeper into the weather app, you eventually come to the pure Chinese site. Otherwise, the weather is from the Accuweather and very reliable.
The launcher is not bad even if it is not as polished as Huawei’s. It supports gestures, themes, and customization. For more customization, you have to get a theme editor, which functionality is more limited than Huawei’s one. You can replace the stock launcher with the custom one. I didn’t decide to replace it yet, it has some useful feathers. I want to mention that I prefer stock Calendar, Clock, Weather, Albums over the Google ones. And the overall design is nice, I just wanted material icons, which I prefer smaller though. You have a native voice recorder with the phone and really nice messages application, which I haven’t replaced with Google’s even than the last now got RCS in my country. Not to mention very useful note applications with text, voice, picture options, and even OCR which works surprisingly well with foreign languages.
So why switch from Huawei to Vivo?
I admired Mate 20x in the time of acquisition but after two years I started to believe in the combination of a smaller lighter phone together with a tablet when needed. But that is not the main reason. As we all know Huawei lost GMS support. I guess I could live without the majority of Google applications. But I strongly consider the phone as a tool which should be sufficient to replace payment instruments, cards, tickets, personal documents, and keys. In my opinion, this is the second most important role of phones besides getting information.
And all this is now jeopardized if you possess a Huawei phone. Vivo is a completely different story. The company is not in dispute with the US administration and the X50 Pro+ is completely capable to serve the purpose. Despite poor and misleading knowledge of a vendor I bought it from it has full GMS support and it matches CTS profile completely. Google Assistant works flawlessly as well as Google pay.
Thanks for the great review!
Can you post some low light photos in full resolution?
So it passed SafetyNet test?
Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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So it passed SafetyNet test?
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Yes, totally.
Princevelyn said:
Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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Google pay works in stores without any problem.
Regarding VoLTE and VoWiFi I couldn't test it before because my operator doesn't support it. It says next year every year for about 5 years.
I borrowed a sim and try it but I couldn't enable either of them. I need more time to find out why.
From which store did you buy it?
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Thanks for the great review!
Can you post some low light photos in full resolution?
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So far I like Vivo X50 Pro+ camera but I haven't had much opportunity to test it in all possible circumstances yet. But I did a short comparison between photos taken with the Vivo and those taken with the flagship Huawei P40 Pro. Compared photos are attached, I tried to evaluate them. I'm not a professional photographer but some differences are obvious even for an amateur. But, please, make your own opinion about the results and I'll be glad if someone more skilled than me participates with his (hers) own comment about the results.
So these are my observations:
HV1 - standard cameras were used, Vivo expresses better dynamic range;
HV2 - standard cameras, better Vivo's dynamic range, but a thin cloud covered the sun during the second shot;
HV3 - thin fog in the valley - zoomed pictures, Huawei's camera has a larger zoom;
HV4 - wide shots - pretty equal results;
HV5 - standard cameras - equal results;
HV6 - Wide cameras - equal results;
HV7 - 5X zoom on both cameras - Huawei expresses better dynamic range;
HV8 - close pictures - more vivid colors from Huawei;
HV9 - standard cameras - better dynamic range from Vivo;
HV10 - wide cameras - better dynamic range from Vivo;
HV11 - zoom on both cameras - better dynamic range and sharpness from Vivo;
HV12 - normal shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV13 - night shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV14 - normal shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV15 - night shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV16- close objects in darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV18 - semidarkness with the normal shot - brighter but less sharp and with distorted colors picture from Huawei;
HV20 - semidarkness with the night shot - brighter but less sharp, less dynamic range and with distorted colors picture from Huawei;
I must add an explanation:
All pictures are taken on the point and shoot principle. I reckon that I could take a better full dark picture with X50 Pro+ if I would have really tried to keep my hands still that critical seconds when the picture has been developed. Another remark: X50 Pro+'s camera is really fast and that counts a lot, sometimes almost all. This Samsung's GN1 is a brilliant feature, it never made me wait to shoot under the daylight, as Huawei did. Just pointing and shooting, that's it. Maybe occasional lag and consequential shaking make Huawei daylight pictures what they are.
All four X50 pro+'s cameras were done their job taking into account that no phone camera right now is able to compete with Huawei's Leica and AIS configuration in a totally dark environment. I'm truly impressed.
Due to the limitation of the forum, I split pictures into 3 zips and will be posted separately.
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And the third one..:laugh:
Thanks so much brother!
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From which store did you buy it?
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It's Trading Shenzhen ( https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/vivo-x50-pro-x50-pro-x50). Although it is from Hongkong It has a few EU offices, gives warranty (it works, I tried it for Xiaomi tablet), and delivers at least to EU duties free (global shipping) in about 3 weeks.
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Thanks so much brother!
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No worries. Should you have any questions just ask.
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Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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That issue with VoLTE and VOWiFi - I'm still none the wiser so far...
Maybe someone with more experience could help. All indicators show that it works but actually, it doesn't.
Look at the attached pictures. I used 2 sims, one was mine and it doesn't support either VoLTE or VOWiFi, and the other is my wife's which supports both and has both activated (works with her phone).
And now take a look at settings. With my sim, both VoLTE and VOWiFi settings are missing (case it doesn't support any of them), and with other are shown and activated. The same it is apparent from Secret Phone Settings app.
But the fact is that in both cases when calling, radio falls back from LTE to 3g. Really weird.
I'll try to search Weibo, that's the only possible remaining source of advice that I could remember...
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That issue with VoLTE and VOWiFi - I'm still none the wiser so far...
Maybe someone with more experience could help. All indicators show that it works but actually, it doesn't.
Look at the attached pictures. I used 2 sims, one was mine and it doesn't support either VoLTE or VOWiFi, and the other is my wife's which supports both and has both activated (works with her phone).
And now take a look at settings. With my sim, both VoLTE and VOWiFi settings are missing (case it doesn't support any of them), and with other are shown and activated. The same it is apparent from Secret Phone Settings app.
But the fact is that in both cases when calling, radio falls back from LTE to 3g. Really weird.
I'll try to search Weibo, that's the only possible remaining source of advice that I could remember...
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Yeah that is the problem I am having with my vivo nex 3 and there is no support for volte, when I contacted vivo customer service they said that the Chinese rom version was not able to have volte enabled and that is only supported cdma carriers with volte. Thanks for the in-depth look though !!!
I new it! One of the very best phone cameras on the market right now: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x50-pro-plus-camera-review-aiming-for-the-top/
Finally we get much anticipated and more thorough review:
https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_x50_pro_plus-review-2170p3.php
I have a few remarks though:
Importing X50 Pro+ is not such hassle;
Audio from mono speaker may not be superior (for mono not bad either) but dedicated hifi chip makes miracle and dominates both via wired and Bluetooth earpieces - in my opinion that's far more important;
Funtouch is far better, customizable and closer to stock than miui - miui on my tablet was so buggy that I was just lucky enough to have a chance to root it and totally replace the system with lineage;
Not to mention Oppo regarding camera, performance and customization - it's significantly behind X50 pro+;
And Xiaomi Ultra camera is not such surplus - check Dxomark analysis;
Huawei is another story but it is right now hit hard with lack of mobile services.
It works on TMobile 5g network in usa?
Yes, it works. Yesterday I had opportunity to test 5G on band 41 and it worked. T-Mobile uses this band aquared from Sprint.
How is battery life? How many hours screen on time?