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Working 2-way call recorder == $

I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.

fz798 said:
I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.

jcase said:
Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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fz798 said:
I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Is this even legal??
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JOrtenzi said:
Is this even legal??
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Conversation recording laws vary by state.

jcase said:
Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.

fz798 said:
Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.
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It might be a good idea to shoot a PM or an email to the devs of MIUI (www.miui.us). When I was using MIUI on my Fascinate, it had a modified Dialer which had the option to record calls. I would love to see this feature as I have a few voicemails that I would enjoy keeping permanently.
...Also if anybody contacts them, I totally want their modified version of the File Manager. It automatically groups together similar file-types on an SD card, regardless of location. I think all of their modified apps require MIUI's framework though :-(

JOrtenzi said:
Is this even legal??
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One person on the recording has to have knowledge that the conversation is being recorded. I researched this in VA for my own knowledge.

The laws are different in each state. Please refer to the following for your state laws:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html

lane32x said:
If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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I agree, it may well better belong in the Dev thread (thus why I posted it there) but here's fine too I guess.
I'm just really surprised that for as long as the Charge has been out that nobody has managed to get 2-way call recording working. I've tried a good number of apps and most just produce blank/silent results, or, that only the person speaking into the Charge can be heard, the other end is inaudible.
I'll pay a hundred bucks for someone to get it working on the Charge (working meaning both sides are clearly audible).

The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.

If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.

fz798 said:
If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.
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That example is a bit of a stretch. What you're asking someone to develop is just outright illegal in many states if the person using the app/patch doesn't notify the other party prior to or at the beginning of the recording. Not to mention that most devs don't have end user license agreements to cover their asses. I'm NOT saying that the person who develops this for you will definitely, beyond the shadow of a doubt, receive legal repercussions. I'm saying that it's a possibility.

hazard209 said:
The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.
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Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.

SigmunDroid said:
Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.
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I like how you completely overlooked my second response. I was not trying to be a law enforcement officer, despite what you may think. I have not called the police, FBI, CIA, NSA, or even a mod to try to shut this thread down. I am not telling developers not to create what they want, I'm not even telling them not to create these particular patches.
I merely made a statement saying that they may receive legal repercussions. I wasn't even throwing my own morals into this discussion. Exactly where was I preaching that this was a moral issue and that it's wrong to attempt this?

Call Recording on Samsung
Is available for Android 2.2.1
Recording works automatically for regular use and speaker phone, but is not possible for cable-headset or bluetooth. The output is amr encoded (cell phone standard), there are computer applications able to play it back.
I have not heard of it working on anything later than Android 2.2.1 Froyo, but it might be out there?
Two-way call recording requires hardware support in the device. This is somewhat rare though the predecessor Galaxy S has it, so perhaps Droid Charge has it, too?
App stores are abundant with apps claiming two-way recording, but as far as I have experienced (20 or so apps), none actually do.
To get it working, it requires rooting the phone, flashing a rom and installing a few apks. Takes several hours and may in the end not succeed.
When I did this, I got to see the black screen of death many times (telling you to return the phone to Samsung) and sometimes thought it was all over, but Samsung Kies, sometimes adb, and lots of finger grease saved the day (night.)
Conclusion is, short of a devoted software engineer attacking a Droid Charge, the world won't get to know if it works on this device.
Hope that helps!

[Q] How to port call recording feature from chinese ROM to ATT rom?

I have tried many apps, mods but have no luck so far. I am a businessman and i need to record all my conversations. I am currently running on rooted stock 2.3.6.
I once tried chinese ROM "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1635740" which had call recording feature but the Chinese interface was horrible.

it is so impolite to say any language as a horrible language. BTW I think there are some countries banned this function on phone.
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socialx said:
it is so impolite to say any language as a horrible language. BTW I think there are some countries banned this function on phone.
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Federal law now makes it illegal to record both wireless and cell phone conversations outside of one party consent. You used to be able to go into places like Radio Shack and purchase scanners that would lock onto the frequencies needed to pick up wireless and cell phone conversations. These scanners are now illegal to sell or be in possession of. I find it rather hard to believe, and further, a little disconcerting that someone would utilize a personal or "business" mobile phone to conduct "business" and as such wishing to record all conversations with the guise of "business" being conducted. I for one, have NEVER received a call from another mobile phone by someone using it for business and wishing to record a conversation that I might have been involved in. Further, the Federal Communications Commission goes further into details on recording telephone conversations and states that the party recording must give verbal notification before the recording and that there must be a beep tone on the line to indicate that the line is being recorded.

socialx said:
it is so impolite to say any language as a horrible language. BTW I think there are some countries banned this function on phone.
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You've misunderstood my post i said chinese interface not the language, I respect chinese language and any other language in the same way I do it for English.
Its just that if the call recording feature from that rom is ported onto ATT will be helpful for me..

Apex_Strider said:
Federal law now makes it illegal to record both wireless and cell phone conversations outside of one party consent. You used to be able to go into places like Radio Shack and purchase scanners that would lock onto the frequencies needed to pick up wireless and cell phone conversations. These scanners are now illegal to sell or be in possession of. I find it rather hard to believe, and further, a little disconcerting that someone would utilize a personal or "business" mobile phone to conduct "business" and as such wishing to record all conversations with the guise of "business" being conducted. I for one, have NEVER received a call from another mobile phone by someone using it for business and wishing to record a conversation that I might have been involved in. Further, the Federal Communications Commission goes further into details on recording telephone conversations and states that the party recording must give verbal notification before the recording and that there must be a beep tone on the line to indicate that the line is being recorded.
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Come to the real world no man is clean even the president of USA, from morning to evening everyone breaches 100s of law.
And by the way if the call recording is illegal why there are hundreds of apps there on google play?
why not FBI or someone shutting them down?

Apex_Strider said:
Federal law now makes it illegal to record both wireless and cell phone conversations outside of one party consent. You used to be able to go into places like Radio Shack and purchase scanners that would lock onto the frequencies needed to pick up wireless and cell phone conversations. These scanners are now illegal to sell or be in possession of. I find it rather hard to believe, and further, a little disconcerting that someone would utilize a personal or "business" mobile phone to conduct "business" and as such wishing to record all conversations with the guise of "business" being conducted. I for one, have NEVER received a call from another mobile phone by someone using it for business and wishing to record a conversation that I might have been involved in. Further, the Federal Communications Commission goes further into details on recording telephone conversations and states that the party recording must give verbal notification before the recording and that there must be a beep tone on the line to indicate that the line is being recorded.
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You've never received a business call from another cell phone? Or you haven't been recorded while on one?
I have recorded calls before, especially when I get a call from someone who needs something fairly complex. Everyone always knows that things are being recorded, etc., I'm not trying to catch anyone out in something...but if I'm driving, and somebody needs to get something set up, I can start recording and discuss what arrangements that they need so that I can go over them when I get back to the office. This allows them to feel that progress is being made, and that I take them and their needs seriously, and thus prevents them from going somewhere else. This sort of thing is what I typically have/would make use of this feature for. I really don't see why everyone keeps getting bent out of shape about people wanting to record calls...recorded phone conversations are a fact of life in the business world in every industry that I've been a part of. Not everyone needs that functionality, but when they do, it can be a kind of important thing. Now I don't need this often, since I'm running a smaller operation now, but there have probably been 3-4 times since the beginning of May that it would have been nice to have. At least one of those times, it probably would have saved me a several thousand dollar piece of business...the guy needed to move forward, and I was driving on I-10 at the time.

prasannapmv said:
Come to the real world no man is clean even the president of USA, from morning to evening everyone breaches 100s of law.
And by the way if the call recording is illegal why there are hundreds of apps there on google play?
why not FBI or someone shutting them down?
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Contrary to your unnecessarily snarky comment, I DO live in the real world, and deal with people each day get twisted about completely innocuous statements others make. All I was doing was speaking to the level of risk vs. reward with laws pertaining to this type of thing. I never implied that telephone call recording was "illegal", but that there are certain measures that have to be understood and executed for something like this to not violate any State or Federal laws. Just sayin', that was all.
No, to my knowledge I've never been involved in a conversation that was recorded from a mobile phone. Sure, there's loads of companies (AT&T inclusive to these that say 'this call may be recorded for quality control and/or training purposes'. That's fine and dandy; but I've not, as I stated, been recorded from a mobile phone in the name of "business". Again, just sayin'...
If there are "hundreds of apps" in the market for this, surely there's one that would suffice for your needs. (?)
Nonetheless, I don't know of any roms for the A2 that have a call recoding feature built in, nor do I know of any developers (not trying to speak for any of them, just based on what I've seen) that seem to concerned on doing so in their roms. Sorry not to have been of any help, and I apologize if you were miffed by my comments, but that's on you not me. I've other things to worry about when I'm awake...
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Apps for recording won't work in our phone, and Motorolas are notorious for locking that functionality, I've learned.
One of cogeary's international ROMs has recording, but not DTMF tones in-call, which is a necessity for me instead if nice-to-have.
Workaround: Google Voice has a call record feature that broadcasts a message and tone that complies with Federal law. Make/receive calls through that number, and you should be able to record. I haven't tested this any time lately...just remembered it, as a matter of fact.
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[Q] Call recording over HTC One S?

Hi!
I have a one little question, is there someone who record calls in own HTC One S? If yes, can you please write what you use and what his ROM and radio? Thanks a lot!
And sorry for my not good English.

Call recording is illegal in some countries/regions and is generally considered unethical elsewhere in the thinking world (at best). Stock ROMs from any manufacturer (and CyanogenMod ROMs) never have this facility for that reason as they would be open to legal action or ethical suits.
So if anyone DOES reply with info, they may be rather less well thought of... there is generally a sinister reason for wanting this feature.

Yes, I know that in some countries this is illegal setting, but if you tell participant the call is being recorded, its no problem.
I used call recording on my previous phone, so I ask for the opportunity to HTC One S, thanks.

I used call recording on my Sensation (now, my wife's) before.
I think call recording is really useful. I tend to forgot details of a conversation with customers and call recording is really a god send.
I think the best way to enable call recording is thru the kernel, like Sensation. But not sure how the kernel Devs feel about that.

You can download 'Sanity' from Google Play as well
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I try "Sanity", but i have record call with only microphone, i dont have two way recording calls.

LenAsh said:
Call recording is illegal in some countries/regions and is generally considered unethical elsewhere in the thinking world (at best). Stock ROMs from any manufacturer (and CyanogenMod ROMs) never have this facility for that reason as they would be open to legal action or ethical suits.
So if anyone DOES reply with info, they may be rather less well thought of... there is generally a sinister reason for wanting this feature.
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Ethical suits? Perfectly good reasons exists like recording telemarketers, conducting interviews over the phone etc. Didnt know that it was actually illegal anywhere, in most countries one or both parties must be aware of it though. Yeah its strange that one is enough but I guess in those cases its a law to prevent wiretapping.

news!?

LenAsh said:
Call recording is illegal in some countries/regions and is generally considered unethical elsewhere in the thinking world (at best). Stock ROMs from any manufacturer (and CyanogenMod ROMs) never have this facility for that reason as they would be open to legal action or ethical suits.
So if anyone DOES reply with info, they may be rather less well thought of... there is generally a sinister reason for wanting this feature.
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Turning off camera shutter sound on camera is illegal in some places also but is still a feature in cm and most other ROMs...
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recording works whit this app (with ALSA):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skvalex.callrecorder&hl=it

The samsung Knox app screams "NSA BACK DOOR"

So loving my note 3. I haven't rooted it yet or anything. As I want to see how the stock rom is for a month or so.
Something has been bugging me ever since I have started caring about my privacy and security. as every App I want to install wants to read my call log, control SMS's record conversations ect. when the app doesn't need to. for instance my favorite radio station. Thinks it needs the permission to know who I've called! What the hell for?
It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
Samsung includes this magical service with the note 3 called Knox. now it's supposed to give you enterprise security.
When all it does. is constantly give me notifications that it's stopped certain programs from running.
when this morning I clicked the right button which too me to the permissions that Knox gets here they are
read phone status and identity
read, edit SMS's
full network access, ability to change network conns
retrieve running apps
prevent phone from sleeping
directly call phone numbers
Take pictures and video
Record audio
approximate location. Pinpoint location
Modify call contacts. read call log
add read or modify calendar events
read all web history, bookmarks ect
Modify or delete usb storage
Disable screen security
complete account control
Read dictionary terms
pair with any bluetooth
there is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!

jjbk said:
This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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I know a couple of CIO's that are wetting themselves over KNOX and they (and the DOD, CIA, and NSA for internal use) are the primary audiences. I'd like to assume that people in charge of protecting corporate data are smart enough to investigate the tools they are using to do that pretty thoroughly. My assumption is that the boatload of permissions KNOX requires are all tied to administering, monitoring, protecting, archiving, and deleting data off of devices being policed with MDM. Based on Huawei and Lenovo being cut out of acquisition opportunities and lucrative Western networking contracts because of their ties to the Chinese and "spying" I'd say the quickest way for Samsung to put themselves out of business and take Korea with them is to do what you're suggesting.

The KNOX is truly crap!
I had disable all KNOX after ROOT.
Samsung doing this KNOX thingy is full to crap! extremely useless!

jjbk said:
It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
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You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher

Knox is also a device administrator and to work correctly it needs pretty much all permissions.
That's normal.
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jeromepearce said:
You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher
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Thanks. I got it. and started using it can't wait till paranoid brings out a good ROM. or something with full S pen funtionality. and then just install this on Thanks Once again

All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.

I just simply rooted and removed Knox, lots written about it - the secret agenda is nonsense.

jjbk said:
here is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave

There is always this conspiracy theory :laugh:
Ppl need to cool down and chill.

foxmeister said:
Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
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There's no question KNOX is a nightmare for enthusiasts. But enthusiasts make up 5% of the market. XDA being the biggest enthusiast site on the web has 5M members; Samsung will sell 250M smart devices this year. The corporate market is probably 25-30% of annual smartphone sales. That's who KNOX is for and so far it's been extremely well received. I know of one company that's issued a mandate that all employees must use Samsung phones equipped with KNOX whether supplied by the company or via BYOD. If that happens enough Samsung's hit a home run with KNOX even if all 5M XDA members buy other phones. KNOX has been so successful LG's doing something similar.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/lg-gate-enterprise-security/
So ladies and gentlemen, KNOX and its ilk are here to stay.

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.

BarryH_GEG - is completely right its aimed at Corp users and its very useful. - those that slag it off has no idea what it is and what its used for.
KNOX - is Samsung's version SELinux, since its now standard in Linux Kernel, all variations of Linux will have this feature and Andriod is an variation of Linux.
So if you dont like SELinux you better switch from Andriod smartphones as this will be standard soon no matter which OEM you choose.

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Putting KNOX aside, I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
Here's my perspective:
I have nothing to hide nor am I working in politics.
But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
Who (in the sex obsessed American public eye) will take their cause seriously after the establishment (with the help of NSA DB) releases a phone-sex tape or pictures of drunken high school pics?
In 2008, NSA workers told ABC News that they routinely eavesdropped on phone sex between troops serving overseas and their loved ones in America.
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Who's to be the honest watchdog of the establishment if all journalists can be blackmailed with their personal info before they release their reports of establishment corruption?
This is not about something to HIDE.
It's about freedom and democracy.
Do you want your children to inherent a world where they can MAKE A DIFFERENCE or one where THEY CAN NOT??

You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?

perosredo said:
You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?
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What does that have to do with whether it will comply with the laws in the country it wants to do business in?
Google a US COMPANY had to comply and censor results in many countries at the request of the foreign gov.
Twitter had to censor the posts of Arab Spring supporters at the request of their govs
BlackBerry a CANADIAN COMPANY had been pressured into releasing encryption keys to the Indian gov to spy on comms.
Samsung wants to do business in your country, does it not?

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Agreed........... I deliberately take regular photos of my untrimmed white bits just for them.... :laugh:

jonlewi5 said:
Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.
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You better get off the internet now and any social site you might have ever been on. Lots of engines index everything you put out there so even though you think you delete it, its still there......somewhere

klau1 said:
I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
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Anyone here's perspective on privacy really doesn't belong on XDA. It's one thing to talk about the impact of KNOX on device development, how to use (or not use) its functionality, and what its impact is to privacy and another to have general privacy discussions that belong on Reddit.
OP's question was asked and answered. KNOX's sweeping permissions are required for it to function. If people feel that KNOX could impact their privacy disable it or send Samsung a message by not buying their products. Just like Samsung's reaction to the negative coverage of Region Lock was to ignore it you can pretty much assume that'll be their position on KNOX too. I use KNOX so if there's some sort of nefarious activity it performs or my data gets compromised I'll report back. That's assuming I'm not captured by the CIA and renditioned to a foreign country and water boarded.

klau1 said:
But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
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What backdoor technology? KNOX?
Unless you are running your own version of a mobile OS, compiled from source and having reviewed all the code to remove any backdoors, you are potentially vulnerable to all sorts of backdoors that Google, Samsung, HTC, Microsoft, Apple, or any other company may have inserted the ROM build you are running. KNOX changes none of this.
Privacy is an illusion, and always has been!
Regards,
Dave

firmware inside a android smartphone

Hi,
who can tell me where inside a android smartphone, there is a flashable firmware
battery?
gpu?
bootrom?

TALGHAN said:
Hi,
who can tell me where inside a android smartphone, there is a flashable firmware
battery?
gpu?
bootrom?
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What?
Can you be more specific?
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harassment online and offline
Droidriven said:
What?
Can you be more specific?
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this forum is not very helpfull
where there is memory you can hide or inject any malicious code inside even a erasement won"t work
it will reaload itself during the boot sequence
it was just to figure it out where is a tranceiver in my devices, it should be not far from the cpu or the memory controller
you should read my other post
its funny to face some military sophisticated grade stuffs
ps: its not the nsa or the cia, i have the same problem of remote control of my devices even where they are no wireless card no bluetooth, no wifi no irda no gps no accelerometer no speakers... so i have indeed tiny tranceiver or modificated hardware (sabotage)
i come from europe not america and when you pissed some important people they prefer to kill your electronically not physically........ for now
to make that simple; nobody is allowed to talk to me....... why ? i never knew.........

TALGHAN said:
this forum is not very helpfull
where there is memory you can hide or inject any malicious code inside even a erasement won"t work
it will reaload itself during the boot sequence
it was just to figure it out where is a tranceiver in my devices, it should be not far from the cpu or the memory controller
you should read my other post
its funny to face some military sophisticated grade stuffs
ps: its not the nsa or the cia, i have the same problem of remote control of my devices even where they are no wireless card no bluetooth, no wifi no irda no gps no accelerometer no speakers... so i have indeed tiny tranceiver or modificated hardware (sabotage)
i come from europe not america and when you pissed some important people they prefer to kill your electronically not physically........ for now
to make that simple; nobody is allowed to talk to me....... why ? i never knew.........
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I think you are probably paranoid, in order for someone to implant a hidden transceiver in your device, they would have to have it in their hands without you knowing about it and it would take some time for them to disassemble your device, add the hardware and then real-assemble your device. Are you sure you haven't watched too many movies?
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I think you are probably paranoid, in order for someone to implant a hidden transceiver in your device, they would have to have it in their hands without you knowing about it and it would take some time for them to disassemble your device, add the hardware and then real-assemble your device. Are you sure you haven't watched too many movies?
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its long and complicated
its just because i know what is going on
orelse it will be a nightmare

paranoid no eavedropped yes
TALGHAN said:
how to explain
i have a member of my familly arrested and jailed for 7 years for terrorism charges in belgium
another member not truly from my familly (ex kickboxer and ex military) beat a policeman and be shot by policemen in belgium too
but all my problems begins in france where i lived a long time before that so
its just to show you or show others than i can't be paranoid
and i never had any girlfriend i'm virgin i'm muslim so i'm extremly dangerous........
i live in a redneck town
i have no friend
and i'm not interested in usual stuffs
sophisticated cutting edge technologies
military grade... encryption, weapons, transmissions.....
i used to receive packages all over the world
i speak more english than french.........
so my profile is suspicious maybe for a redneck.........
so in their brains i should be a kind of spy or i dont know...... nobody told me.....but they make me understand since decades that they dont want me here
in this country
....
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TALGHAN said:
how to explain
i have a member of my familly arrested and jailed for 7 years for terrorism charges in belgium
another member not truly from my familly shot a policeman in belgium too
so yes i'm paranoid it was in the newspaper........
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In that case, it isn't implanted hardware or coding. By law, device makers have to include certain software and hardware that can be utilized by the governments of the world. They can't use it against "everyone", but in certain national security or other illegal/criminal circumstances, they can be granted the right to utilize the tools that takes advantage of the built-in software/hardware. They can do things like turn on/off your camera, turn on off your microphone/speaker, turn on your location services, track your movement, listen to your calls, read your emails and text messages, whatever they want.
These people would not be "hackers", they are the "legal authorities".
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All my post online are deleted and only trolls answer me usually but legal authorities do not try to murder you with complicity of a foreign country in the street in a Arab country and cut off your communication email phone and even fax rejected when try to contact the Minister of justice of France and Morocco and all state worker harass me and my sister everywhere we go

French are not nice at all
Legal authorities reject your credit card , delete your files in your hard drive inject fake ads in your computer put your letter sent directly to the post office in your letterbox... when you call the gendarme = policemen from small town the don't even come.... You don't know the whole story and It is a waste of time so my Sim card was deactivated .... The only thing is to remove of the nationality I have because it's a passport to the cemetery....

French are not nice at all
You don't know the story of the France Snowden would be dead before he put a foot in the airport.... To make that simple you said the truth if you are a problem they kill you

TALGHAN said:
You don't know the story of the France Snowden would be dead before he put a foot in the airport.... To make that simple you said the truth if you are a problem they kill you
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To put it simply, they don't get that serious about someone unless that someone is involved in something serious, whether that someone is a willing participant in the "something serious" or not and regardless of however right or wrong that someone or the "authorities" are. And, yes, at certain levels of threat or suspicious activity, the legal lines that restrict the authorities or agencies, get blurred. That is a necessary policy, yes, it is flawed and gets abused, but it was intended for a purpose and it still serves that purpose to an extent, even with its flaws.
I can't say I agree with governments and policies. But we need some kind of system of rules and security or we would all be living in a world of pure chaos.
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To put it simply, they don't get that serious about someone unless that someone is involved in something serious, whether that someone is a willing participant in the "something serious" or not and regardless of however right or wrong that someone or the "authorities" are. And, yes, at certain levels of threat or suspicious activity, the legal lines that restrict the authorities or agencies, get blurred. That is a necessary policy, yes, it is flawed and gets abused, but it was intended for a purpose and it still serves that purpose to an extent, even with its flaws.
I can't say I agree with governments and policies. But we need some kind of system of rules and security or we would all be living in a world of pure chaos.
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its true but
strangely when you are in your country and you are arab you can be tortured and finish in guantanamo without a trial and of course you have 95% to be innocent....
yes never you see a drug dealer in latina american with a army killed buy a hellfire but a human not criminal can be killed with his familly
you call that : collateral damage
and you can receive a hellfire (missile from drone or helicopter it depends) if you live in the middle east if they think you are a terrorist without proof
like i said trolls and lies
it is useless i will put movies links online and make a wordpress of what i do every day
with a brand new device bought out of france....
then you will see by yourself what i see what i do if the connection works so i have to take a data plan outside my country and its expensive
like i said its ILLEGAL its why i have to take foreign devices
legal authorities not allow pseudo criminal to contact legal authorities ..........; that makes sense..........
during more than 20 years ..........
when i received my first computer (windows 98) a packard bell p2 233mmx) my last name was already inside as username and it was brand new sealed from a store in city near my home)
i can give you all proof if you want (they are reading they are watching and they won't like it.......
so there is 2 possibilities they will expulse me or kill me (or kill me outside the france)
i dont care i'm muslim
innocent mean martyr mean heaven....... unbelievers (the main part of the humankind)will go to hell (from a thora, bible, coran point of view)
ps: its my 3rd vpn service ; i tried nordvpn then protonvpn then mullvad and now airvpn and my vpn block not randomly..... obfuscation tor.... doesn't help at all)
even a flir cam and to proof the 70° overheat cpu and 45° battery.......
and the gigahertz solution case to find the frequency lf and hf ( 700 usd) i never received it............ so been refund via a paypal dispute............
do not disappear (if you are not a trol or a french), you test me i will show you ok???
its funny
because people believe other people without physicall proof
if someone say you are a terrorist and flag you as a terrorist you can't live anywhere in the world.... its just an example
sorry for my english ( videogames, tvshows, movies.....)

TALGHAN said:
its true but
strangely when you are in your country and you are arab you can be tortured and finish in guantanamo without a trial and of course you have 95% to be innocent....
yes never you see a drug dealer in latina american with a army killed buy a hellfire but a human not criminal can be killed with his familly
you call that : collateral damage
and you can receive a hellfire (missile from drone or helicopter it depends) if you live in the middle east if they think you are a terrorist without proof
like i said trolls and lies
it is useless i will put movies links online and make a wordpress of what i do every day
with a brand new device bought out of france....
then you will see by yourself what i see what i do if the connection works so i have to take a data plan outside my country and its expensive
like i said its ILLEGAL its why i have to take foreign devices
legal authorities not allow pseudo criminal to contact legal authorities ..........; that makes sense..........
during more than 20 years ..........
when i receive my first computer (windows 98) a packard bell p2 233mmx) my last name was already inside as username and it was brand new sealed from a store in city near my home)
i can give you all proof if you want (they are reading they are watching and they won't like it.......
so there is 2 possibilities they will expulse me or kill me (or kill me outside the france)
i dont care i'm muslim
innocent mean martyr mean heaven....... unbelievers (the main part of the humankind)will go to hell (from a thora, bible, coran point of view)
ps: its my 3rd vpn service ; i tried nordvpn then protonvpn then mullvad and now airvpn and my vpn block not randomly..... obfuscation tor.... doesn't help at all)
do not disappear (if you are not a trol or a french), you test me i will show you ok???
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You have nothing to prove to me, I'm just a guy that likes android, like is said, I don't know you and I'm not in any position to claim to know anything about anything concerning you or your circumstances.
If people are watching you then I wish you luck.
If they aren't watching, that's even better.
No one deserves mistreatment for any reason.
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Droidriven said:
You have nothing to prove to me, I'm just a guy that likes android, like is said, I don't know you and I'm not in any position to claim to know anything about anything concerning you or your circumstances.
If people are watching you then I wish you luck.
If they aren't watching, that's even better.
No one deserves mistreatment for any reason.
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i already have this electronic harassment when i had a cpc6128 when i was around 10 years old (and now i'm 34 years old)
the only things(sorry for some mistakes but they are playing with my keyboard too) to know was to lure them to me to expose them it is what i did but i knew things they do not know and they wont believe it so i'm happy ^^ they can live a long very long life.........
and usually i order something nothing comes normally to me
so normality is anormal in my life......
its trials......... its a good thing from a believer point of view
its just my sister almost died too in UAE so they really want to destruct our life.........;
and me in KSA
the only common thing to our problem from the very start since we are child is THE FRANCE only
if i wanted to cry i wont do it on a xda developpers ^^
they will go to hell now
so what ever i can or can't do against them or exposed them is irrelevant now
in fact i can't handle liers.........
i had to fool them like they did with me but in my home because they were watching and listening and spying........ just test them at different location, different hours, with different personns they sent me to check what i was doing (at school, at my job....)
i have no friends no wife and no drive license ......... nothing
i'm free to go
ps: being murdered is not a problem, the problem is the reason ....... because if a foreign country (military) want to kill me even if i dont speak arabic and never had any arab friends and there is no mosque in my redneck town ....... they want other to clean their mess ^^

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Hi
i have plenty of proof online on my facebook and youtube
so
all my stuff are remotely hacked and i cant root my phones
because they dont let me to.......on my computers........ i've followed all your how to but they are destroying everything
so who can sell me 2 android phone rooted brand new
i can pay via paypal confirmed adress
and pay the shipping cost internationally via fedex
and it will be better if you can put a list of software already inside.......(like my vpn soft....)
ps: Never trust a french............lying machine............. crazy lying machine.............

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgqtUtDFVnSWZvXa21fshKg/videos?view_as=subscriber
my youtube channel check my videos
https://www.facebook.com/talibelhoda.ghani.79
check my old posts on facebook and translate in english if they are in french
you will understand my situation