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Deleting Google Apps

Hi all. Quick question; searched and didn't find a response. So...
There are a few Google apps I'd really like to lose. Namely Play Books, Play Movies/TV, Play Newstand, and Play Games. I'm never going to use them, so I'd just as soon uninstall them. My question is can I uninstall these through Titanium Backup or are they crucial system apps that I should just leave alone and learn to live with?
Thanks!

You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course

experience7 said:
You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course
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I freeze every one of those apps with Titanium backup every time I install gaaps or return to stock. No issues with them frozen on N5 at all.

experience7 said:
You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course
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I never thought about that. Thanks! :highfive: I feel so dumb...

Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app

Actually, all deactivating them in Apps does is uninstall the updates. They're still there.

experience7 said:
Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app
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The advantage in freezing them is you retain the ability to take OTA updates without reflashing system.
Jason_MCG said:
Actually, all deactivating them in Apps does is uninstall the updates. They're still there.
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Titanium Backup is worth the price. The UI is terrible. Still can't find a replacement I'm happy with.

experience7 said:
Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app
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I would think most people who are active on these threads chose a nexus for ease of changing ROMS. I would lose my mind doing that without the pro version of TiBu. Have it anyway so used it. Also, freeze is nice because I can quickly thaw out a memory hog program, use it as I need to and then quickly refreeze it with all data in tact.

Aerowinder said:
The advantage in freezing them is you retain the ability to take OTA updates without reflashing system.
Titanium Backup is worth the price. The UI is terrible. Still can't find a replacement I'm happy with.
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Of course it is - bought it years ago.

You can delete any app with the full version of Titanium Backup.

But I'm pretty sure that you can disable them like I mentioned above and still receive OTA's Am I wrong?

Uninstalling Google system apps...

Hey guys,
Dumb question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to, but I'll ask anyway just to double check:
Stock, rooted N5: Can I use TiBu to uninstall Google apps that are pre installed as system apps, then turn around and install those same apps through the Play Store as regular user apps? Any ill effects to this? Primarily looking at Google Music, so I can then Greenify it once it's installed as a regular app. Everything I know tells me this is fine but it never hurts to ask, right? May do the same with Keep, Currents, G+, etc...
Thanks in advance

slider112 said:
Hey guys,
Dumb question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to, but I'll ask anyway just to double check:
Stock, rooted N5: Can I use TiBu to uninstall Google apps that are pre installed as system apps, then turn around and install those same apps through the Play Store as regular user apps? Any ill effects to this? Primarily looking at Google Music, so I can then Greenify it once it's installed as a regular app. Everything I know tells me this is fine but it never hurts to ask, right? May do the same with Keep, Currents, G+, etc...
Thanks in advance
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Yep, you can uninstall Google apps, like music, plus, magazine, etc... and download as user apps, then greenify them.
I removed some them on day 1 when was on stock and now whenever I flash a new Rom with Gapps. Just be careful with what you choose. I recommend to first back them up then if everything is fine, delete backups.

GUGUITOMTG4 said:
Yep, you can uninstall Google apps, like music, plus, magazine, etc... and download as user apps, then greenify them.
I removed some them on day 1 when was on stock and now whenever I flash a new Rom with Gapps. Just be careful with what you choose. I recommend to first back them up then if everything is fine, delete backups.
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Great, thanks for confirming. Just gonna stick to the basics, but will back up through TiBu first as a precaution. Google Music was at the forefront because at times it runs in the background when bluetooth is turned on. It was either go this route or purchase the full version of Greenify so I could hibernate all system apps. Greenify is well worth the support, but would rather just de-clutter things this way.
Thanks again, much appreciated. :good:

Don't delete. Freeze. There is nothing to gain by deleting
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You lose OTA ability if you outright delete.
Like was stated, freeze them. If you were going to uninstall them through Titanium anyway.....
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rootSU said:
Don't delete. Freeze. There is nothing to gain by deleting
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So freeze Google Music as a system app, then install as a user app from the play store? Seems kind of redundant. I understand that logic and have followed that for other system apps in the past on other devices, but is that really the preferred method if I'm only dealing with Google apps that were installed as system apps from the factory, only by default, and can be easily reinstalled via the play store? Oh, and I'm running Franco's kernel so the OTA capability ship has already sailed anyway...

slider112 said:
So freeze Google Music as a system app, then install as a user app from the play store? Seems kind of redundant. I understand that logic and have followed that for other system apps in the past on other devices, but is that really the preferred method if I'm only dealing with Google apps that were installed as system apps from the factory, only by default, and can be easily reinstalled via the play store? Oh, and I'm running Franco's kernel so the OTA capability ship has already sailed anyway...
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Why would you then install it as a user app? System apps that are also available in play can still be updated via play anyway.

rootSU said:
Why would you then install it as a user app? System apps that are also available in play can still be updated via play anyway.
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Yes, I know that. So I can greenify it. Google Music will run in the background once bluetooth is turned on. Can't greenify system apps with the basic app, so for that particular app I think this would be the easiest method.

Ah well, yep. Non-donators are forced to do weird things.

rootSU said:
Ah well, yep. Non-donators are forced to do weird things.
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Lol. Nothing weird about it. Worked fine. Google apps really shouldn't be installed as system apps if they're available in the play store. The user should have the choice of what they want and don't want. Easily corrected.

They do. Its called "custom rom"
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rootSU said:
They do. Its called "custom rom"
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They also have "titanium backup". Uninstalled. Done. "Custom roms" aren't for everyone. I've run plenty since my original droid days and just never use half the features included. I want rooted stock, and I have it. Thanks for everyones input.

Yep. Can get custom roms based on stock that have skeleton gapps. To answer your statement earlier
"Google apps really shouldn't be installed as system apps if they're available in the play store"
Well yes they should as that is where they are designed to be. They are on the play store to allow updating outside the scope of OTA.
And of course it's your prerogative to remove apps as system apps and make them user apps, but I do get the feeling you're only doing it to continue using greenify without donating. But then again, it's none of my business whether you donate or not.

rootSU said:
Yep. Can get custom roms based on stock that have skeleton gapps. To answer your statement earlier
"Google apps really shouldn't be installed as system apps if they're available in the play store"
Well yes they should as that is where they are designed to be. They are on the play store to allow updating outside the scope of OTA.
And of course it's your prerogative to remove apps as system apps and make them user apps, but I do get the feeling you're only doing it to continue using greenify without donating. But then again, it's none of my business whether you donate or not.
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Yep. Can get custom roms based on stock that have skeleton gapps. To answer your statement earlier.
- Yep. Know that. I only flash core/mini gapps packages on the "custom roms" I've run. But "based on stock" isn't stock. Point was more about not needing/wanting the extra features that "custom roms" provide. Especially on a pure google device like the N5.
"Google apps really shouldn't be installed as system apps if they're available in the play store"
Well yes they should as that is where they are designed to be. They are on the play store to allow updating outside the scope of OTA.
- Opinion. They're not designed to be system apps and there is no benefit having them installed as such. They're system apps on Nexus devices because they're made by Google, only reason. They're on the play store to allow for users of non google devices to install/uninstall as they please.
And of course it's your prerogative to remove apps as system apps and make them user apps, but I do get the feeling you're only doing it to continue using greenify without donating. But then again, it's none of my business whether you donate or not.
- You get that feeling because that's exactly why I'm doing it. Never implied otherwise. Let's not go down the "you should support all developers for their hard work" road here. I've purchased more apps over the years than I care to admit, and continue to support developers and their hard work. Case in point: Titanium Backup Pro; which I used as the alternative here.

S8 Device Maintenance, select which to optimize

Ya,
for the S8/ S8 plus
can we select which to optimize using the build in device maintenance?
One of a very disadvantage is when i select optimize, it will clear all the cache.
Even the cache in Dropbox, so the files(thumbnail) needs to be download again.
Can we select what cache to be deleted?

rayraymond said:
Ya,
for the S8/ S8 plus
can we select which to optimize using the build in device maintenance?
One of a very disadvantage is when i select optimize, it will clear all the cache.
Even the cache in Dropbox, so the files(thumbnail) needs to be download again.
Can we select what cache to be deleted?
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Hi
Anyone?

rayraymond said:
Hi
Anyone?
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No, it's not possible, you would have to go app by app to clear only the cache of the apps that you want.

This issue is very vital for me as well.
For instance, I use a very useful app called Call Dispatcher. It lets you identify which mobile carrier you are calling when having an outgoing call and which mobile carrier is calling to you when having an incoming call. Thus, built-in optimiser deletes databases of the Call Dispatcher every time and I got to download them manually.
We have to look for a decent 3rd party optimiser.
The coolest one is the SD Maid; however, only for rooted devices.
So CCleaner does not work on any Android that is higher than 5.x.x
Clean Master is an advertisement monster that even slows the system down.
I have been using Clean Android 2017 but it leaves much to be desired.
There is 1 more way. We can wipe dalvik/cashe in recovery once a week, but I am not sure whether it clears comprehensively.

has anyone tried link2sd to clear cache/etc? it doesn't clear any cache at all. i am on G955FD unrooted.

RockyAJ said:
has anyone tried link2sd to clear cache/etc? it doesn't clear any cache at all. i am on G955FD unrooted.
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It seems that link2sd is designed for absolutely different purpose though.

ProzakVizaq said:
It seems that link2sd is designed for absolutely different purpose though.
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but you can use it to clear cache (and even has a whitelist to exclude apps that you don't want to clear cache for)
worked perfectly on my nexus 6p but with the s8+ it basically is not doing anything at all

RockyAJ said:
but you can use it to clear cache (and even has a whitelist to exclude apps that you don't want to clear cache for)
worked perfectly on my nexus 6p but with the s8+ it basically is not doing anything at all
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ok, i see
meanwhile you can try Clean Android 2017 from the playmarket and report on results as well...
it clears my cashe and i can create white lists there too.

op7pro without google

Greetings,
Since the begginning I use all my android device without google. I know that this phone is new, not so many rom out there, I can't wait to have one, where we can flash gapps separate.
But til that, I deciced to delete all google staff manually (except for gboard, as I can't find any decent keyboard).
I'm not sure, but I guess for this decision I have some issues. All the apps with a built in browser force close or don't react if I wanna use its browser. Some other apps won't even start. (Not even says any "missing google play services msg")
My question is, how can I make sure what cause the problem, plus how I need to do properly to skip google?
I deleted gapps with titanium backup.
I have also an ancient galaxy s4 on lineage, only rom, there these things work like a charm. (With its limited speed )
Or do u think there's gonna be option soon to do only rom for the phone?
Plus if u have the same "googless" system on any device, please share with me how u do with google pendent apps, which play store alternative u use etc..
Thanks

ii9 said:
Greetings,
Since the begginning I use all my android device without google. I know that this phone is new, not so many rom out there, I can't wait to have one, where we can flash gapps separate.
But til that, I deciced to delete all google staff manually (except for gboard, as I can't find any decent keyboard).
I'm not sure, but I guess for this decision I have some issues. All the apps with a built in browser force close or don't react if I wanna use its browser. Some other apps won't even start. (Not even says any "missing google play services msg")
My question is, how can I make sure what cause the problem, plus how I need to do properly to skip google?
I deleted gapps with titanium backup.
I have also an ancient galaxy s4 on lineage, only rom, there these things work like a charm. (With its limited speed )
Or do u think there's gonna be option soon to do only rom for the phone?
Plus if u have the same "googless" system on any device, please share with me how u do with google pendent apps, which play store alternative u use etc..
Thanks
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Might be the webview, it defaults to chrome. look into developers option/ webview implementation and ensure its set to Android System instead of Chrome. That may solve part of the problem

GUGUITOMTG4 said:
Might be the webview, it defaults to chrome. look into developers option/ webview implementation and ensure its set to Android System instead of Chrome. That may solve part of the problem
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Yes, that was my first guess as well, but as i deleted google, the only option is the android system, so nothing to do there, its set on that. Also checked on the s4, just by curiosity, it has exactly the same version, therefore this part should be fine.
Thanks

ii9 said:
Yes, that was my first guess as well, but as i deleted google, the only option is the android system, so nothing to do there, its set on that. Also checked on the s4, just by curiosity, it has exactly the same version, therefore this part should be fine.
Thanks
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I would start over and go gradually removing stuff and testing starting form the mist insignificant to the most complicated ones like services and framework, etc
Perhaps you want to look also into the tomato debloater thread. They have some tested scripts to remove google apps

Yeah that could be an idea, at some point that will be the next step.
I looked for this tomato db, it also gets closer to my idea, but til i don't find out the thing u mentioned, i'm not sure about it, as it's not 100% google free. Though sure i'll do the invisible option.
Plus there r some things in the extreme, that i'm okay with, like ambient screen for example. My dream is to have fully optimised and stable rom, that use all the benefits, what this exact device can offer, + tweak options, but obviously without all the trash, + without gapps. Y they don't just let us choose if we want netflix for example?
Apart from this, i really don't get, y stock roms don't give basic option, like disable pop up notifications. Such a little option, but so useful.
I wish i knew how long it takes to make these clean roms, but in case if not soon, i'll go for this options what u wrote, thank u

Is there any way to have push notification?
(And i know it's nothing to do with google, but also if you know how to disable popups, please share with me as well)

ii9 said:
Greetings,
Since the begginning I use all my android device without google. I know that this phone is new, not so many rom out there, I can't wait to have one, where we can flash gapps separate.
But til that, I deciced to delete all google staff manually (except for gboard, as I can't find any decent keyboard).
I'm not sure, but I guess for this decision I have some issues. All the apps with a built in browser force close or don't react if I wanna use its browser. Some other apps won't even start. (Not even says any "missing google play services msg")
My question is, how can I make sure what cause the problem, plus how I need to do properly to skip google?
I deleted gapps with titanium backup.
I have also an ancient galaxy s4 on lineage, only rom, there these things work like a charm. (With its limited speed )
Or do u think there's gonna be option soon to do only rom for the phone?
Plus if u have the same "googless" system on any device, please share with me how u do with google pendent apps, which play store alternative u use etc..
Thanks
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I havent had chrome, ok google, google, and all google related stuff for years. I have deleted them with titanium backup always, even on my op 7 pro. I only have playstore and use brave instead of chrome. No issues so far

ii9 said:
I deciced to delete all google staff manually (except for gboard, as I can't find any decent keyboard).
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AOSP keyboard with swipe.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/enhancedime-aosp-latinime-enhancements-t3366639

jamesfitzes said:
I havent had chrome, ok google, google, and all google related stuff for years. I have deleted them with titanium backup always, even on my op 7 pro. I only have playstore and use brave instead of chrome. No issues so far
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I did the same, but includeing paly services, framework.., all. I use apkpure store, now i even managed the the system webview to work. Not the one built in, that did't work, no matter what i did. From magisk i found something systemless webview, that does the job.
The only thing i miss is the push notification. (And block popup). Im shocked that no solution so far, that's y we like android. But with some things they look to move on the way of ios.

RogerNZ said:
AOSP keyboard with swipe.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/enhancedime-aosp-latinime-enhancements-t3366639
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That's nice, but it stucks on the welcome screen after i've installed. In the settings no otion to change. What i need to do?
Edit
I enabled screen rotation and it's fine now, just an ui issue on landscape

ii9 said:
From magisk i found something systemless webview
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Thank you! Been trying to figure out how to achieve that.

installing and uninstalling applications

installing and uninstalling many applications Is it harmful?

marioswat81 said:
installing and uninstalling many applications Is it harmful?
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Depends on where the application come from. Most apps from the Play Store are okay and if you want to uninstall something it's probably okay. Just don't go using adb and uninstall any system apps.

I ask about applications from Google play

marioswat81 said:
installing and uninstalling many applications Is it harmful?
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It can potentially cause undesirable changes especially if the app is poorly written.
Avoid doing so when possible by not uploading an app for no good reason.
Read reviews about an app first.
Even a Playstore app can cost you a hard reset... did 2 back to back recently caused by a launcher.
If an app is running poorly, uninstall it. Clear the storage for the app first.
Keep an eye on what your apps are doing in the background with data/memory/battery usage.
Don't side load apps unless you -really- trust the source. If so -always- scan it with an online scanner like Virus Total before you install it!!!
Use SD Maid to pick off the remnants of uninstalled apps.

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I ask about applications from Google play
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As I said apps from the Play Store are mostly safe as they are constantly being checked by Google. Every once in a while something will slip by but mostly safe. If you are worried activate device security in settings under device care.

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installing and uninstalling many applications Is it harmful?
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ggrant3876 said:
As I said apps from the Play Store are mostly safe as they are constantly being checked by Google. Every once in a while something will slip by but mostly safe. If you are worried activate device security in settings under device care.
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Just because an app is "safe" doesn't mean it isn't poorly coded. Bad uninstalls is more a PC issue but Androids aren't completely immune to it.
Just one change hidden (inaccessible) setting change can really screw up your machine. Saw that happen on an e-reader; it globally changed the screen tint and when uninstalled it remained. Had to reload it, toggle that off, uninstall. The was a bloody Goggle apk.
Be it a trojan or bad coding a hard reset is a hard reset.
It's rare for a Playstore Android app to crash and burn the OS but it definitely does happen
As do buggy uninstalls... best not do too many installs or uninstalls together so if there is an issue you can spot it and know where it came from.
This may be the only way to easily correct it...

thank you