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I'm new to Samsung devices and apparently that Knox efuse is a real SOB to deal with. I don't need custom recoveries/kernels or anything fancy, just want to be able to use superuser.
I know there's at least *a* root exploit for the S7, but I'm sure it also blows the efuse. Is there a "systemless root" or anything like what the S5/S6 had that doesn't trip knox?
your question can be answered with a 5 minute search but no. bootloader is locked, system is verified on boot
I thought that's what the point of non-system root was though? So that you aren't modifying system
There is no way to root without tripping Knox (the 0x1 Warranty Void flag). This has been the case since the eFuse was introduced (at least back on the Note 3).
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123421342 said:
your question can be answered with a 5 minute search but no. bootloader is locked, system is verified on boot
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That's for Snapdragon 820 units. We don't know if the OP has Snapdragon or Exynos
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I don't have my S7 yet, but I was going to get one soon. How would I find out if it's Snapdragon or Exynos once I get one?
I swear I saw some threads about S6 rooting without tripping Knox...
drfsupercenter said:
I don't have my S7 yet, but I was going to get one soon. How would I find out if it's Snapdragon or Exynos once I get one?
I swear I saw some threads about S6 rooting without tripping Knox...
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If you buy a US version, it should be snapdragon. The international/non-US version is the Exynos.
Ah, OK. Well I'm in the US so that answers that.
I would not risk it for the biscuit
http://pingpongroot.co/PingPongRoot-tutorial.html
This is the thing I was talking about. It works for the S6/S6 Edge, so why can't we do this on S7?
Something I was thinking about... Knox basically verifies the checksum of the system partition upon booting, right? Well, there are system updates (I had two of them after turning the phone on the first time) and those obviously modify the system partition. Which means the checksum has to be updated during that process or it would trip Knox just for doing an OTA update! So the million-dollar question is, couldn't we just spoof that ourselves?
And more importantly, why wouldn't "systemless root" do the trick? I can understand tripping Knox if you start deleting things from /system using your new root powers, but what about just using it to modify data? That's one of the main things I use root for, backing up and restoring data, which is a totally separate partition from /system.
Rooting Without Voiding Warranty [Samsung Galaxy s7] DEFINITELY POSSIBLE
drfsupercenter said:
I'm new to Samsung devices and apparently that Knox efuse is a real SOB to deal with. I don't need custom recoveries/kernels or anything fancy, just want to be able to use superuser.
I know there's at least *a* root exploit for the S7, but I'm sure it also blows the efuse. Is there a "systemless root" or anything like what the S5/S6 had that doesn't trip knox?
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There most certainly is a very easy way to root the Samsung galaxy s7 snapdragon to use superSU.
I did it on my sprint Samsung galaxy s7 very easily and sprint is supposed to make it the
hardest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/samsung-galaxy-s7-sm-g930p-root-xposed-t3502829
I did this like a month ago, but ended up undoing it thanks to Pokémon Go and SafetyNet. If you know a solution let me know...
drfsupercenter said:
I'm new to Samsung devices and apparently that Knox efuse is a real SOB to deal with. I don't need custom recoveries/kernels or anything fancy, just want to be able to use superuser.
I know there's at least *a* root exploit for the S7, but I'm sure it also blows the efuse. Is there a "systemless root" or anything like what the S5/S6 had that doesn't trip knox?
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Complete guide to root without voiding warranty!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/samsung-galaxy-s7-sm-g930p-root-xposed-t3502829
Will root s7 edge without installing twrp trip knox
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haseeb.khld said:
Will root s7 edge without installing twrp trip knox
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It will trip Knox, because you are modifying the system and it doesn't matter it you also flash twrp or not. And once you have rooted your phone, there are no ways to untrip Knox, so you can say goodbye to your warranty.
TheSproker said:
It will trip Knox, because you are modifying the system and it doesn't matter it you also flash twrp or not. And once you have rooted your phone, there are no ways to untrip Knox, so you can say goodbye to your warranty.
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Well i have a rooted S6 and the Knox flag is not triggered (thanks to the leaked samsung service bootloader ).
So there is always hope :fingers-crossed:
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Well i have a rooted S6 and the Knox flag is not triggered (thanks to the leaked samsung service bootloader ).
So there is always hope :fingers-crossed:
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Well, unlike the s6 with the s7 Samsung has done some hard work to keep everything closed source. As of now there is no way to bybass the Knox flag and it is very unlikely that any workaround will be available, because of Samsung's non friendly attitude towards developers.
Apologies for a possibly dumb Q but is there a reliable root for the current S7 exynos model, SM-G930F, UK model, latest Samsung OTA firmware 6.0.1 G930FXXU1BPHJ, MMB29K.G930FXXU1BPHJ ?
I have seen the root process but there is a warning that some devices are getting bricked.
Thank you in advance for any input.
I need to root the phone so I can use APPS2SD to create a "folder mount" (symlinks need a unix file system at both ends) mapping from internal memory to the external SD card, for dumb Sony action cam apps which refuse to write data to the SD card. This works fine on the S6 and the T705. I don't really want to load the full custom firmware (Cyanogen).
(hardware/software developer, rooted S6 v5, T705 v4.4.2, Nokia 808, etc).
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Apologies for a possibly dumb Q but is there a reliable root for the current S7 exynos model, SM-G930F, UK model, latest Samsung OTA firmware 6.0.1 G930FXXU1BPHJ, MMB29K.G930FXXU1BPHJ ?
I have seen the root process but there is a warning that some devices are getting bricked.
Thank you in advance for any input.
I need to root the phone so I can use APPS2SD to create a "folder mount" (symlinks need a unix file system at both ends) mapping from internal memory to the external SD card, for dumb Sony action cam apps which refuse to write data to the SD card. This works fine on the S6 and the T705. I don't really want to load the full custom firmware (Cyanogen).
(hardware/software developer, rooted S6 v5, T705 v4.4.2, Nokia 808, etc).
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Well why not activate adoptable storage? Because if you only want to move data to the sd card then i wouldn't root at all.
Here can you check more info if ytou want to try it out http://www.xda-developers.com/enable-adoptable-storage-for-galaxy-s7-and-s7-edge/
I am not sure , but
1. did you try CF-AUTOROOT? didn't it work ?
2. just directly flash TWRP and then flash supersu.zip from there, didn't it work either ?
This is very interesting - thank you. I had read about adaptable storage but it appeared that Samsung had disabled that feature on the UK models.
Will all apps be fooled into thinking they are accessing internal storage? The specific one is Sony ActionCam. That downloads into (looking on a rooted 4.4.2 T705 device where I can see all the paths with Root Explorer) /storage/emulated/0 DCIM/From Action Cam and this cannot be changed in the app.
I don't really want to try rooting an untested firmware version phone because a lot of stuff on an unrooted phone cannot be backed up and I have loads of apps installed.
Hi @all.
I have a s7 with the latest september patch...
For me root works fine...
Cf auto with odin..
And then its rooted. Of you want twrp recovery download the app from the store. And install twrp ....
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I have a s7 with the latest september patch...
For me root works fine...
Cf auto with odin..
And then its rooted. Of you want twrp recovery download the app from the store. And install twrp ....
Did you use the G930F one from here https://autoroot.chainfire.eu/ ?
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I have a s7 with the latest september patch...
For me root works fine...
Cf auto with odin..
And then its rooted. Of you want twrp recovery download the app from the store. And install twrp ....
Did you use the G930F one from here https://autoroot.chainfire.eu/ ?
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Does the auto root trigger knox on the s7?
RiTCHiE007 said:
Does the auto root trigger knox on the s7?
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I think it always does, but why would you care?
It may stop Samsung Pay working but currently nobody (here in the UK) takes that anyway.
I rooted an S6 (v5) and T705 (4.4.2) and lost no useful functionality whatever.
Well kinda because of the warranty thing that after 6 months they can say no due to root.
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I think it always does, but why would you care?
It may stop Samsung Pay working but currently nobody (here in the UK) takes that anyway.
I rooted an S6 (v5) and T705 (4.4.2) and lost no useful functionality whatever.
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Well kinda because of the warranty thing that after 6 months they can say no due to root.
Yes; that's true. But one should not root a new phone anyway because rooting blocks OS updates so you get no bug fixes, and there are always *lots* of bug fixes. Samsung have just done an OTA update, 6 months after I got the phone. After maybe 9 months there are few if any really useful updates, IME.
Hey guys been away for a while so not clued up on current affairs with rooting.
Is there a way to root without tripping it, if so could you link me i have UK plus version.
Thanks guys
Also can we put un branned rom on the phone without tripping it
Didn't understand your second message
There is no way to root the Galaxy S8 without tripping knox.
After a year, there is still no way to root the Galaxy S7 without tripping knox. So don't hope a root without knox tripping because it will probably never happen. Knox security is too high
Flashing anything with Odin will flag 0x1 on knox. So there is no way to flash TWRP and keep your warranty. And no way to flash anything else without loosing your warranty.
Thank you for the information
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Flashing anything with Odin will flag 0x1 on knox..
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I've flashed my Vodafone firmware S8+ to stock without tripping knox.
Flashing anything not signed by Samsung will trip knox irreversibly
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I've flashed my Vodafone firmware S8+ to stock without tripping knox.
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How?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/help/samsung-s8-stock-firmware-uk-eu-t3593011
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lynxblaine said:
Flashing anything not signed by Samsung will trip knox irreversibly
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This is correct. Other poster appeared to say that anything flashed (signed) will also trip knox.
So i can use BTU without tripping Knox ?
Can you use a signed BTU ROM without tripping Knox
TheLoverMan said:
Can you use a signed BTU ROM without tripping Knox
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Yes
You can use any samsung rom without tripping knox
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Didn't understand your second message
There is no way to root the Galaxy S8 without tripping knox.
After a year, there is still no way to root the Galaxy S7 without tripping knox. So don't hope a root without knox tripping because it will probably never happen. Knox security is too high
Flashing anything with Odin will flag 0x1 on knox. So there is no way to flash TWRP and keep your warranty. And no way to flash anything else without loosing your warranty.
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Early on they found a way to root the S7 without tripping, if I remember correctly, but it got patched up pretty quick.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/help/samsung-s8-stock-firmware-uk-eu-t3593011
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This is correct. Other poster appeared to say that anything flashed (signed) will also trip knox.
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Not correct, actually. I have a S8+, I've flashed like 3 different firmwares through Odin, BTU, TCE and yesterday I flashed XSA, and I still have untripped knox 0x0
hektsepulveda said:
Not correct, actually. I have a S8+, I've flashed like 3 different firmwares through Odin, BTU, TCE and yesterday I flashed XSA, and I still have untripped knox 0x0
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You flashed signed firmware and Knox is not tripped?
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Early on they found a way to root the S7 without tripping, if I remember correctly, but it got patched up pretty quick.
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Yep. I rooted mine and didnt trip it but it was a really buggy root and even after all the patch fixes it was still bad so I went back to stock. NO knox trip.
faslane said:
Yep. I rooted mine and didnt trip it but it was a really buggy root and even after all the patch fixes it was still bad so I went back to stock. NO knox trip.
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Do u mind sharing what u did? Previously I used Huawei Mate 9, rooted the phone caused the phone display a warning message during boot up that indicates the phone has been modified. However, the message was gone when I flashed a stock rom. Does it the same like Samsung phone? (Rooted the phone will trigger knox, re-flash stock rom will revert the knox to 0x0)
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Do u mind sharing what u did? Previously I used Huawei Mate 9, rooted the phone caused the phone display a warning message during boot up that indicates the phone has been modified. However, the message was gone when I flashed a stock rom. Does it the same like Samsung phone? (Rooted the phone will trigger knox, re-flash stock rom will revert the knox to 0x0)
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This was for the s7 using an engineering bootloader that was rootable, the current s8 engineering bootloader doesn't seem to be rootable.
1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything
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2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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