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Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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And here some interesting related info provided (once again) by Barry:
BarryH_GEG said:
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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betoNL said:
Since lots of users like to compare phones that didn't even hit the shops yet, or are not even officially launched , why not compare other related stuff? :
I find this recent Erica Griffin's video which is called "the truth about Amoled vs LCD" quite interesting:
I stick with Amoled anytime, even with the possibility of that "blue pixel burn-in"
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I only buy Samsung because of the AMOLED screens.
it's true there will eventually be some bluish pixel burn-in after you have used the phone for a good 3 or more years
and it doesn't seem to affect all AMOLED screens, but specific to the 5 color ones, the S-AMOLED seems unaffected by it.
I'm basing that from my old AMOLED i9000 and Nexus S vs. the S-AMOLED on the S2
As for color accuracy, I like the more vivid color provided by the AMOLED than the LCD / S-LCD
Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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Interesting stuff. My next phone gonna be LCD.
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even after learning what they do to the LCD displays?
you will probably have to run your own tests to see which phone has a correct LCD display, or waiting until some one has done a Gamut color level review on it before getting one.
at least with AMOLED you know what to expect.
I will not go into fight any about this, but after using both AMOLED and LCD, I simply don't find LCD 'interesting'.
But if we really want to go deep into technical analysis, you will find that a AMOLED display is considered to be the best display commercially available now. Check Samsung's new OLED TV KN55S9C reviews. Every reviews (including consumer reports) have mentioned that this has the best picture quality available right now.
I am going to be honest here and put my hands up and say I was not aware OLED screens are still affected by burn-in - but it makes sense.
I think I am going to cancel my pre-order of the Note 3, things like this really put me off - I love my nexus 4 screen and I think I may now wait out the Nexus 5 which will in all likelihood have IPS.
My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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My last 4 devices were all with Amoled S and N series and never had such issues.
You really have to stay a loooooong time on one screen position to then, only increase a chance of blueish burn-in......... I guess
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Yeah, screens have come a long way since even my galaxy nexus, which I didn't like it always looked greenish to me. But I played with a note 2 and that screen is great, the gs4 is even better, screens are largely a personal preference but give me true black any day
Interesting find. Gonna have to look for something to replace all the JellyBean blues on the new phone to ensure longevity. Tbh I haven't noticed anything on my current 1.5 yr old amoled phone or the 3 yr old phone before that. But I have noticed how much I enjoy the color, over saturated or not. An Apple genius bar friend had severe screen envy when he saw the size and colors lol.
Only downside has been viewability in sunlight to where I have to drag brightness all the way up to get a decent picture.
Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
The chick in the video seems to like making videos about this very same topic every now and then, not sure why she's obsessing over this topic.
Erica move on, is this the only topic you could throw out there to actually sound like you're smart?
Who gives a hoot about the difference it's all a matter of preference and now let's move on to something else.
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Regardless of what the sales and marketing terms are, the simple fact is all current and future Samsung devices have made the switch to "Super AMOLED" based panels so do not concern yourself with any BLED burn-in. This so-called issue was addressed several generations ago when AMOLED was still under testing and Samsung is among the best when it comes to yield/performance.
With that said, both the Samsung and T-Mobile sites show the final NS3 specs, which includes the use of their "Super AMOLED Display".
All is good and here in San Diego, CA, both T-Mobile and Verizon retail stores are sticking with October 1st and 2nd (respectively) as the official release.
Scott
References:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/samsung-mobile-unpacked-event-2013/
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html
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Good news for the reviewer! She can buy AMOLED again if she wants to. Starting with the SGS4 Samsung's moved to a new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels. In it, sub-pixels are sized differently based on their longevity. Blue is the least energy efficient (most likely to erode) and is now larger than red and green.
A high resolution screen shot of the Galaxy S4*(provided by Samsung) shows an interesting design and sub-pixel arrangement, which Samsung callsDiamond Pixels. First of all, the Red, Green, and Blue sub-pixels have very different sizes – Blue is by far the largest because it has the lowest efficiency, and Green is by far the smallest because it has the highest efficiency. The alternating Red and Blue sub-pixel PenTile arrangement discussed above leads to a 45 degree diagonal symmetry in the sub-pixel layout. Then, in order to maximize the sub-pixel packing and achieve the highest possible PPI, that leads to diamond rather than square or stripe shaped Red and Blue sub-pixels. But not for the Green sub-pixels, which are oval shaped because they are squeezed between two much larger and different sized Red and Blue sub-pixels. It’s display art…
As for what display is best, that's easy. The one you like the best.
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Nighty night
Transparent notification bars ftw
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
Well gn3 might be my first samoled device, but in all honesty I don't really give a damn since in about a year or max 2 I'll get a new device anyways. Disposable
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I hope u guys really did understand her video.Even if LG over saturated in real life the s4's colors are still more saturated than the LG's even if the calibration on the s4 is about right.This is because of the wide gamut.She's pissed that LG over saturated so much not that the G2 is more saturated than the s4(the s4 is more and I compared them).AMOLED is new tech and even if it looks great with puchy colors maufacturers have way more work to do.They run hotter than LCD,they die earlier,blue pixel burn in,previously black clipping which is solved only on the s4 and note 3.Even power saving many talk of except your phone is completely black with black fonts, wallpaper,widget(lol u won't see anything) u can't save power on AMOLED.I just don't like it because of it's issues.Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.Tell the truth.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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Who said saturation is bad? And when did wide colour gamut become a bad thing? Even with a wider gamut, AMOLED still can't cover full range of visible colour space. Even if someone pushes to Adobe RGB or NTSC colour space, I think its good.
AMOLED covers more green-yellow-cyan range. Remember that the eye is more sensitive to yellowish-green light than other colors. G2 is over-saturating the colours, but it can't show additional colours like AMOLED as it's inherently restricted to show just near sRGB space. Why restrict ourself to sRGB when it was designed for CRT monitors?? But the fact remains that AMOLED can show more colours compared to LCD. And that's a good thing.
Reviews have proved that the best available display right now is OLED display. Samsung's OLED TV KN55S9C is considered to have the best picture quality. Saying AMOLED is bad is pure non-sense.
A very irritating woman - Take with a pinch of salt
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.AMOLED needs a breakthrough to really show it's power management and other qualities.The famous moto x doesn't blow the HTC one out of the water in terms of battery life even with all the power saving tech and AMOLED.(some LCDs OPPO find 5 and xperia z1+ z ultra have punchy blacks unless you turn off all the lights)
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LOL...There is no High-end device with better battery performance than the GNote2...Totally energy efficient and the screen is gorgeous....
Maybe the GNote3 will have better battery performance, but that remains to be seen ...
And I hope you really did understand the new PenTile geometry called Diamond Pixels thing, mentioned just a couple of posts before yours....
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Everyone has his opinion but don't say it's great or better than LCD just because your device has AMOLED.
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Here's my opinion. I could give a crap whether a device I want to purchase has AMOLED or LCD. All I want is a good high quality display. There are crappy LCD displays (there are tons of posts in the One and Z1 forums about display issues) and crappy AMOLED displays. Truthfully, on a 4.7-6" canvas the amount of energy devoted to examining nuances in displays is comical. AMOLED has far superior contrast, bolder colors, better reflectance, better viewing angles and uses less energy on dark colors. LCD produces truer colors (depending on OEM calibration choices), is brighter, and uses less energy on light colors. The hardest part of going from AMOLED to LCD for me is the drop in contrast and greyish blacks which are unavoidable. If the N3 had a high quality LCD display I'd be totally fine with it. More important than the display is what it's attached to and I happen to be happy with Samsung's products. I'm not buying a display; I'm buying the high-end mobile device it's a component of. And the displays in Sony and HTC's phones are all made by Sharp-Renasys or JDI anyway.
And as you ridicule AMOLED, ask yourself why Motorola (Google) used it in the Moto X which is the most important phone they've ever released.
Like LCD? Bully, buy a LCD-equipped phone. Like AMOLED, buy a phone that has it. If you're happy I'm happy for you.
overclockers.ru is the best screen testers an this moment because
phonearena says that this display have very good color reproduction and ideal gray and white colors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2742538
as you can see it is not so
www.overclockers.ru/lab/60510_3/Test_i_obzor_smartfona_Sony_Xperia_Z2.html#5
and overclokers everything correct tested
anandtech says that this display have ideal 6500k color temperature and superideal gray and white colors
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...Galaxy-S5-vs-G3-vs-One-M8-vs-iPhone-5s_id3810
as you can see it is not so
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/63968_3/Obzor_i_testirovanie_Apple_iPhone_6.html#5
and overclokers everything correct tested
And according to their tests best screen in Galaxy Alpha
pink line lower is better
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/037osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/128_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/004_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/097_z3compact_big.png
The colored lines closer to the black line is better
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/036osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/127_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/000_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/096_z3compact_big.png
clusters of white dots closer to the center point of the circle is better
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/040osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/129_iphone6.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/003_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/098_z3compact_big.png
blue line closer to 6500K is better
alpha
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/10/13/2/038osnov_big.png
iphone 6
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/23/2/126_iphone6_big.png
lg g3
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/06/24/2/001_pict_big.png
xperia z3 compact
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2014/09/29/2/095_z3compact_big.png
also oled advantages:
1) no blur in menu and 60fps video (0.1 ms response time andstead 20 ms in lcd)
2) infinite contrast
3) ideal black color
4) no fall of contrast and brightness at the angle
Best screen at this moment
Photo and video comparisons (in live comparison difference is much more)
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_13.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_17.jpg
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Z3-Compact-vs-Galaxy-Alpha_15.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XTTD9UEtO8o#t=110
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B795vhPHvg&feature=player_detailpage#t=1204
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So, according to these pictures best screen ATM is in LG G3. Well done, LG
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So, according to these pictures best screen ATM is in LG G3. Well done, LG
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Best screen is alpha. Look closely.
Also watch this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2797810
Also the best reviewer is hi-tech mail.
They have similar results. Only in the iPhone 6 review they a little bit wrong.
The best display according to their tests have alpha, iphone 5c (overclockers not tested), note4 (overclockers tested in wrong mode), lumia 735 (overclockers not tested)
How well do you know your fifty shades of grey? Rate this thread to express how good the Huawei Nexus 6P's display contrast is. A higher rating indicates that black is true black, rather than a very dark gray.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Great contrast thanks to AMOLED
It gets backly black as if the screen was off exactly like other OLED displays I've used(S4, Note 4, S6)
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AMOLED
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Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.
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Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.
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Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.
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Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled
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Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled
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It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.
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It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.
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Hmmm sorry man mine is just black. Agree to disagree. Can't say any better then that. I'm moving on. If your not happy with the phone for that reason, sell it and get a Samsung.
Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.
Hahaha so many people here producing disinformations...
AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
6P, Note's, S6, S7. have the BEST SCREENS around. And by far.
Turn on sRGB mode in developer options if u want, a bit washed, but 100% accurate colors. What u see is what u get on print. But why would u use that, unless you're a professional photographer like me.
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AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
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Coming through what? Screen surface reflectiveness is what matters the most when it comes to black depth outdoors. LCDs have extremely high MEASURED black levels in comparison to AMOLED but you can't see that outside because of ambient light. Case in point, the 6P looks worse than most good LCDs outside. It's like when people claim plasma TVs have amazing blacks but forget to mention that is only true in low light conditions.
Jockson I understand and agree with you. The screen on the 6P has a lighter surface color than the black bezels above and below which is noticeable. It isn't a major detractor from the visual quality screen on, but I agree that in a bright setting, blacks don't get to be as black as could be. It isn't bad by any means, but unless you get a completely black unreflective layer it may not be easy to improve (or Samsung is hogging it all to themselves).
Either way, you're right though the quality of the screen is still really good on the 6P so, yea. Still like my 6P, even after using a HTC 10 with it for the past 6 months. Both great, but the 6P has me returning to it more, for now.
Finally someone understands what I'm talking about. I don't want to "sell this phone and buy a Samsung then". I already had the Note 5 and got rid of it for the 6P. Love this phone, love the screen as well in low light conditions. But this really caught me by surprise. I've switched to a full black theme and outside, it really shows how washed out it really is. On a cloudy day outside, blacks on the Note 5 look almost perfectly black and yet the 6P next to it looks horribly washed out and more like greenish grey. I knew it wouldn't compete with the Note 5 in direct sunlight but it's pretty disappointing that it loses out considerably in medium light conditions as well. And not only to the Note 5 but to the ancient S2 as well. The display surface just doesn't look like any Samsung amoled phone ever which is pretty strange.
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Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.
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I agree with this completely. It's pretty hard not to notice that there is a definite green/brown tint to the display in contrast to the surrounding black bezel when in good ambient light. I came from a Nexus 4 and I was immediately disappointed by this aspect of the 6P display. Since then I have reconciled this disappointment with the fact that the 6P is overall a fantastic phone with substantially better value than other premium phones.
I'm not 100% sure that it's much better on Samsung devices because Samsung goes out of its way to mask this issue by making the top and bottom bezels of their phones different (non-black) colors. I'll even go so far as to suggest that the curved display on the Edge was a gimmicky attempt to obscure this issue. This, among others, is an AMOLED problem and why Apple hasn't used them. Still love the 6P, especially now on Nougat.
You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.
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You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.
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Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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That's true. I usually root to get the tinted navigation bar but this time i didn't root to get that because the blacks are usually same as the bezel of the phone which looks damn good.
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Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.
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How dark the screen is when it is turned off IS what the blacks actually look like. It can't look any darker than that, the screen doesn't emit the "black" color When there is bright content on the screen it just tricks your eyes/brain into thinking black areas are darker than they really are but in reality, contrast is still pretty poor.
I'm not talking about direct sunlight either. Even in medium ambient light blacks wash out considerably. Certainly MUCH more than they do on Samsung AMOLED phones and most LCDs so no, not every phone is the same. The 6P display just isn't very good in this regard.
Theres a picture below comparing screen of my z3+ to xz. I notice a bit yellowish screen of xperia xz.
my display is white like it should be i think...u probably have screen issues and should ask sony whats going on and maybe they will replace the screen.i would take it to waranty.
i compared my XZ display against z5 and i can say that it is more brighter and it has more white-ish tone on the display...z3+ simply CAN'T have BETTER display then newer flagship phones(specaily the XZ)...its not an upgrade then LOL...i would try some restoring and repairing before sending it to waranty just for curosity... but i doubt it would help...just want to let u know my xperience and hope it helped u somehow. Cheers
I do know that my XZ color temperature isn't as cold/blue as my Z3 (D6616) was. I don't have any tools to test, but I believe my XZ is closer to the "proper" 6500K color temp, while my Z3 was like 9000K.
I could be wrong since I can't see yours in person, but could it be possible that your Z3+ has a very cold blue tint that you got used to, and it makes your XZ look yellow? I have a feeling that camera you used to take that picture adjusted its white balance to your Z3+.
I'm trying to take a picture of my Z3 next to my XZ to show an example, but my LG G6 camera can't seem to show what I mean. I did have this issue when I switched from a Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5. I got so used to the Nexus 4's cold blue tint, that I thought my Nexus 5 was yellow and defective. But after I got used to the color temperature of the Nexus 5, I couldn't believe how blue the Nexus 4 was. I've been a tint snob, display whore, and obsessed with white balance ever since.
Here's a picture of my Nexus 4 and 5 side by side. Even though the 5 has the correct white balance, it looks yellow because the camera adjusted the white balance to the 4.
Or maybe the screen on your XZ is in fact defective. I would take it to a mobile store and compare it to iPhones and maybe HTC devices, as these seem to have better white balance than most devices in my opinion.
The XZ does lean a bit more to the warmer color temperature than previous models, specially my Z3 and M4 Aqua, those have a very strong blue tint and I had to increase red and green in settings to compensate.
Can't you adjust the white balance in the display settings?
I have red and green on 0 and blue on 40. It seems to give the best result of white, compared to my PC monitor (IPS). If you go to 50 on blue, it starts getting a blue tint a bit.
If your screen is so yellow you can't even adjust it, then it's defective. Take it to the store and compare.
Keep in mind though, even with IPS, there can be some slight variations from unit to unit in color tint, but not much. It's more common with AMOLED.
Also it's difficult to tell for us via photos, because any camera will compensate at least a bit for the white balance and brightness.
Either way, your eye will get used to it if the screen is not actually defective, and a recommendation would always be to have the balance set leaning more to yellow than blue tint, it's much less straining to your eyes, and after a while it won't look "yellow" any more.
I experienced that when I got the new monitor, it appeared a bit yellow to me, but then my friend (video editor) tested it with one of those devices that tests color accuracy , contrast and white balance and saw that it was almost perfect, and my previous monitor had heavy blue tint that I got used to, which is bad.
I'd go to a store and compare it to one of the units there.
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I do know that my XZ color temperature isn't as cold/blue as my Z3 (D6616) was. I don't have any tools to test, but I believe my XZ is closer to the "proper" 6500K color temp, while my Z3 was like 9000K.
I could be wrong since I can't see yours in person, but could it be possible that your Z3+ has a very cold blue tint that you got used to, and it makes your XZ look yellow? I have a feeling that camera you used to take that picture adjusted its white balance to your Z3+.
I'm trying to take a picture of my Z3 next to my XZ to show an example, but my LG G6 camera can't seem to show what I mean. I did have this issue when I switched from a Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5. I got so used to the Nexus 4's cold blue tint, that I thought my Nexus 5 was yellow and defective. But after I got used to the color temperature of the Nexus 5, I couldn't believe how blue the Nexus 4 was. I've been a tint snob, display whore, and obsessed with white balance ever since.
Here's a picture of my Nexus 4 and 5 side by side. Even though the 5 has the correct white balance, it looks yellow because the camera adjusted the white balance to the 4.
Or maybe the screen on your XZ is in fact defective. I would take it to a mobile store and compare it to iPhones and maybe HTC devices, as these seem to have better white balance than most devices in my opinion.
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Judging by this photo, it seems to me that you have night mode enabled.
Is it yellow during that white xperia bootanimation as well?
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Sorry, just now i've read the full text of your post xD
Just compared the G7 screen with: S10e, LG V40, Huawei Mate 20 Pro, P30 Pro, Iphone Xs Max, Xperia 10 and when it comes to reproduce the white color or max brightness, the G7 came up first. I would say second was the Xperia 10, but with not that much brightness.
Verry impressed, never thought that.
I also enebled comfort view on all phones and played with the adjustment bar for best results.
Also did some Hdr comparison with the V40 and I would say there is no more than 5-10% difference in color saturation in favor of the oled. It just competed very well with oleds.
One strange thing was that the black levels on the V40 seemed not that black for an oled, seemed like the G7 black. Weird.
I just think this display is maybe the best out there. Good job LG and I will miss this display on my next maybe G8 or V50.
This was my best comfort view settings.
Experiment no 2:
Today I have compared with:
S10e, S10+, P30 Pro and the results are that G7's screen is Number 1!
Next experiment with photos and maybe putting the flash on the s10+ambient sensor to trigger max brightness. But for whites and also color vibrance, G710 wins. Go and check for yourselfs.
Cheers ?!
Experiment no3: in hurry
LG G7 vs Huawei Mate 20 Pro and P30 Pro
Full brightness on all, blue filter on all. Best adjustment to match the pure white.
Photos are shot with P30pro and mate 20 pro
G7 destroys latests OLEDs from huawei.
Color temp is overkill for G7, ridicilous 9000K. Look at this graph https://www.anandtech.com/show/13039/the-lg-g7-review/4
I found best white for my eyes with this settings (other colors look fine). Expert: all in middle, night filter etc turned off
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Color temp is overkill for G7, ridicilous 9000K. Look at this graph https://www.anandtech.com/show/13039/the-lg-g7-review/4
I found best white for my eyes with this settings (other colors look fine). Expert: all in middle, night filter etc turned off
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For me this is blueish. Best for me is auto color and comfort view around 75%.
But it seems that the display now is AI controlled and also color temp has been improved since Anand tech test. Also I don't trust these display tests with specialized hardware and software. Best sensor is the human eye.
I noticed that when I took photos of the display, the camera sensor cannot replicate it's original color. Also anandtech test is based on hardware. Best sensor is the human eye. Period. No other sensor can replicate accurate.
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Just compared the G7 screen with: S10e, LG V40, Huawei Mate 20 Pro, P30 Pro, Iphone Xs Max, Xperia 10 and when it comes to reproduce the white color or max brightness, the G7 came up first. I would say second was the Xperia 10, but with not that much brightness.
Verry impressed, never thought that.
I also enebled comfort view on all phones and played with the adjustment bar for best results.
Also did some Hdr comparison with the V40 and I would say there is no more than 5-10% difference in color saturation in favor of the oled. It just competed very well with oleds.
One strange thing was that the black levels on the V40 seemed not that black for an oled, seemed like the G7 black. Weird.
I just think this display is maybe the best out there. Good job LG and I will miss this display on my next maybe G8 or V50.
This was my best comfort view settings.
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I know v40 has purple ish display panel when it's showing black, which is better than lighter grey on v30. But is it worse than competitors?
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Color temp is overkill for G7, ridicilous 9000K. Look at this graph https://www.anandtech.com/show/13039/the-lg-g7-review/4
I found best white for my eyes with this settings (other colors look fine). Expert: all in middle, night filter etc turned off
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I posted pics compared to Sony XZ2, and while XZ2 is way too blue in white balance department, next to G7 it looks professionally calibrated
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79431740&postcount=11