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I Might Bite the Apple Tomorrow

Why i might get an iPhone, it is a lot to read. But please do.
Ive had multiple phones within the past 2 years and the Captivate has treated me well. But I have grown old of the constant reflashing and updating. It all started with my first unlocked phone, the Xpressmusic 5800, then came the N97. I loved the N97 and its design but once again nokia failed and put a horrible processor in their flagship. Also symbian got too clunky for me and was unbearable. then came The Bold 9700 which was great for the first week but within 2 weeks i had moved back to the N97. A week later i got the Touch Pro 2 and fell in love with the keyboard but wasn't fond of the bulkiness. I flashed different roms and it was great but once again it was just way too thick. the Xperia X2 was next of my many phones. the physical keys, optical track pad, and perfect keyboard was one of the best i have ever used. After many months of waiting for a HSPL it never came. the Design was perfect but it was just too slow for my preference.
Then came the Captivate. Ive had this phone for nearly a year which is a feat for me. i got it for 450 the first week it was out and fell is love with the Amoled Screen. The first thing i plashed was bugless beast which got rid of bloatware and allowed me to install non market apps. went through different roms and though i love android its the same old trying to make it better with different roms. here i am using MIUI losing the theming which is fairly close to the iphone
Keep in mind i have a first gen touch and i use it daily in the car, my itouch has been the oldest peice of tech i have used and still works. i never got sick of the itouch and still use it.
My contract has been up a few months after i got the captivate and ive been waiting for something to replace the captivate. i always admired the iphone 4 design but was waiting for maybe the new iphone 5. Just a few days ago they released that the iphone 4 WHITE was going to be released soon, which leads me to believe that the iphone 5 isnt going to be released this year.
I have used every mobile OS and IOS is the only os that i havnt gotten sick of yet.

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If you're going to get an iphone, wait until the next one comes out. It has some ground-breaking additions, like being able to hold it without worrying about signal loss.
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What's the point of all these "I'm ditching the captivate, here's why" threads? Do you really need us to validate your personal decisions?

I give it a week before you jailbreak the device and run Cydia apps and Winterboard themes.

good luck.
ebay your cappy so someone else can enjoy the rom-flashing goodness.

betadan said:
I give it a week before you jailbreak the device and run Cydia apps and Winterboard themes.
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I give it a couple of minutes after turning it on.
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blah nevermind

have fun with your icrap. ill be here enjoying not loosing service if i hold my phone. and i dont have to worry about my location being tracked by the gestapo-i mean apple. OH and also, enjoy paying monthly for tethering and a.p. etc. good riddance. PEACE!

http://www.informationweek.com/news...900042?wc=4&cid=sem_edit_hardware_various_RON
make sure you read the comment at the bottom=pure gold

That's a shame man. The white iPhone is pretty (I'd personally wait for the iPhone 5) but with the way I use my cappy I don't think I could do it. Drag and drop music and videos is something the iPhone will never do, and I use my captivate the most for those two things. On the flipside, you can be more social with an iPhone and it's FaceTime and the fact everyone has one and that sorta thing. Personally, I'm sticking with the cappy, at least until iPhone 6 or Galaxy s3

I honestly would never trade my cappy for an iphone.
I can barely live with the same rom and launcher for more than a few weeks, imagine having an uncustomizable phone.
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I have a captivate, and well, love the way I can customize it to suit me. I tried using an iphone 4 for a couple days, but couldn't stick for more than a few hours. I don't say iphone 4 is bad, but its the feeling of "freedom" that I feel with captivate that I can't seem to let go of it. I came to Captivate after using 3GS for about an year.
Anyways, in the end, its all ur personal decision to go from a free land to alcazar prison. All I can say is all the best in ur move. But don't expect to get too far in the waters since all that can be done is jailbreak.
Since u waited this long, why not wait till June? Its just about a month from now, and if there is a new model then u'd be sitting holding ur head.

judging by his history, he doesnt research before he buys, just buys whats cool. He'll get it play with it for a month then come back to the captivate and unlock it for his new contract he'll pick up with the icrap....
when he could just unlock it now and become a monthly customer. no contract! with a phone without limitations... except ff camera.
oh friggin well.
peace the F out!
see you in a month...

TRusselo said:
judging by his history, he doesnt research before he buys, just buys whats cool. He'll get it play with it for a month then come back to the captivate and unlock it for his new contract he'll pick up with the icrap....
when he could just unlock it now and become a monthly customer. no contract! with a phone without limitations... except ff camera.
oh friggin well.
peace the F out!
see you in a month...
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Don't diss him just because he's gonna get an iphone. I had an iphone too and there are things I miss from it. Its his own choice wither he wants to buy an iphone or wait tilll june if there is a new model. Just let him be and let him do whatever he wants.
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jangeles323 said:
Don't diss him just because he's gonna get an iphone. I had an iphone too and there are things I miss from it. Its his own choice wither he wants to buy an iphone or wait tilll june if there is a new model. Just let him be and let him do whatever he wants.
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He asked for it by making this thread! We would be completely unaware of his decisions otherwise, but since he made the thread we are entitled to express the opinion the the Iphone is garbage.

studacris said:
http://www.informationweek.com/news...900042?wc=4&cid=sem_edit_hardware_various_RON
make sure you read the comment at the bottom=pure gold
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im surprised to see this coming from you. also i cant reproduce what is claimed in that article. i have tried covering the bottom of the phone with both hands, squeezing it tightly, twisting the phone and my signal dosnt drop not even in about phone will i see any change in signal that is not consistant with normal fluctuations in my area.
alternatively why would he point out samsung rather than the notoriously ****ty design htc uses on the aria and incredible. who puts the antennas in the battery door? dumbasses! if a phone experiences death grip it is htc! never mind apple.

Dani897 said:
im surprised to see this coming from you. also i cant reproduce what is claimed in that article. i have tried covering the bottom of the phone with both hands, squeezing it tightly, twisting the phone and my signal dosnt drop not even in about phone will i see any change in signal that is not consistant with normal fluctuations in my area.
alternatively why would he point out samsung rather than the notoriously ****ty design htc uses on the aria and incredible. who puts the antennas in the battery door? dumbasses! if a phone experiences death grip it is htc! never mind apple.
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Haha did you read the comment at the bottom? That's what my point was. The article is propaganda and that comment calls him out on it. Hilariously!

studacris said:
Haha did you read the comment at the bottom? That's what my point was. The article is propaganda and that comment calls him out on it. Hilariously!
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ohh that comment! missed that somehow.lol

and i never said anything exactly bad about the iphone except that he would be back..

Leaving the Thunderbolt? Chime in and say bye.....

Looks like with Razr, Nexus, and Rezound coming out its bound to cut down traffic in the Thunderbolt forum. I will be on here till April when HTC hopfully releases the Edge or similar phone on Verizon which is phone I am waiting for. Feel free to chime in if you will be leaving and state forum you are leaving for.
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well, verizon did grant me an early upgrade....
i already decided 'hell no' on the RAZR....
going back & forth with the nexus/rezound.. spec-wise i like the rezound more, but i like the screen size of the nexus....
basically though, i am going to wait until both phones are here & see how things go with them first. so i might end up staying with the ol' TB a bit longer.

I'm stuck between the razr and nexus. I gotta sell my tbolt first otherwise I'm sticking with it
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I wont leave until my one year upgrade is up. And I may wait further if something really good is coming out soon.

gonna wait for quad-core phones, they are round the corner anyways
Hopefully they start to show up sometime in Q1 2012.
until then I keep my TB

Agreed. Dual core is only an incremental upgrade. I've compared my TBolt to an S2 and its not too different. I'm not even overclocked.
As long as CM9 is supported here, I'm not jumping anytime soon.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt with Liquid 3.1

Still enjoying my tbolt, realized phones are just to hard to keep up with..gonna wait for quad cores to come out =) and i'm so used to the kick stand now lol
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Bolted to the max =)

Don't think I'm gonna be in much of a hurry to leave my bolt just yet. Its a solid device, and has some really talented developers releasing quality ROM's to breathe new life into the bolt.
Sent from my Vicious MIUI Thunderbolt

CLoft239 said:
Don't think I'm gonna be in much of a hurry to leave my bolt just yet. Its a solid device, and has some really talented developers releasing quality ROM's to breathe new life into the bolt.
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I'm with you man, very solid device and with MIUI available now I see no need to upgrade. A lot of developers are creating some amazing work for the bolt! New nexus is cool and I had the first one and loved it but I'm waiting too.

My wife is upgrading this month either the Razr or the Rezound. I am due for an upgrade in January. I am definately waiting to see the Nexus first. If it is $500, definately selling TB to buy Nexus off contract, just to save upgrade to quad core, which I think won't happen until the summer of 2012.

fillyo said:
My wife is upgrading this month either the Razr or the Rezound. I am due for an upgrade in January. I am definately waiting to see the Nexus first. If it is $500, definately selling TB to buy Nexus off contract, just to save upgrade to quad core, which I think won't happen until the summer of 2012.
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whenever quad-core is released, I have a feeling its going to be one of those last minute "surprise!.. we're releasing it next week!" sort of deal.
as for the TB, I've got someone offering me $300 for it(although with 9 cases & 5 batteries)... that's why I'm considering an upgrade(+ I have an upgrade available right now).

well I got my thunderbolt end of march so I got awhile. still very satisfied with my thunderbolt.

There's really no need to. I just got my TB in June and I'm very happy with it. Plus as other people have said I also won't be thinking of an upgrade until the quadcores come out. Hopefully a new quadcore HTC device will release soon because honestly I'm not feeling the Rezound at all. I think its rather ugly
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt

jumpman1229 said:
There's really no need to. I just got my TB in June and I'm very happy with it. Plus as other people have said I also won't be thinking of an upgrade until the quadcores come out. Hopefully a new quadcore HTC device will release soon because honestly I'm not feeling the Rezound at all. I think its rather ugly
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AGREED** plus they ditched the kickstand !

subsoniic said:
AGREED** plus they ditched the kickstand !
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its funny that you mrntion that... when I was looking at the Thunderbolt originally I remember the salesman saying "how can you go wrong with this kickstand" and demonstrating it for me. I raised my eyebrow and said "sold!"

Yeah, I will have to try to locate a non crappy "kickstand case" for any future phones....I use that thing constantly. Funny that it's about the one unique feature the tbolt has left in the verizon lineup, heh.

Ordered the Rezound today. Won't be home tomorrow so it will be here Wed.
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1

Yeah I dont understand how a kickstand isnt already standard on every phone now developed. At least every new HTC phone. I use it every single day watching netflix vids on my lunch break.
I really want a nexus just for the increased screen space and AMOLED screen. I'm growing tired of the poor battery life with the TB and the thickness of it. But unless I can find a convenient way to prop up the nexus, or to get a reasonable sale on my TB, looks like she'll be with me for quite some time.

RunNgun42 said:
Yeah I dont understand how a kickstand isnt already standard on every phone now developed. At least every new HTC phone. I use it every single day watching netflix vids on my lunch break.
I really want a nexus just for the increased screen space and AMOLED screen. I'm growing tired of the poor battery life with the TB and the thickness of it. But unless I can find a convenient way to prop up the nexus, or to get a reasonable sale on my TB, looks like she'll be with me for quite some time.
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not until something really comes out like most of the people said in this thread

Swapping back and forth between OSes.

First of all, I'm a die hard WP7 user through and through. Social interaction, stability, and quick gaming, as well as a good ecosystem of interconnected services are what I'm after in a phone, and so it's the ideal option for me. That said, I try to be as fair as possible in my judgment of other devices. I recently picked up a Nokia N9 and an Xperia play as alternate phones to my Lumia 800 (which has since been upgraded to the Lumia 900) for comparison purposes. The first thing I tested on these two devices, since it's the one thing I miss on WP7, is emulation. Honestly, despite the perfect controls on the xperia, I kept going back to the more "pure" Linux experience of meego for emulation. This was due primarily to the app emumaster which has all your basic emulators cooked into one app with great developer support and outstanding framework. The xperia's controls are awesome, but the low quality of the ps1 emulators I could find left a lot to be desired. The feature that Android really stole the show with, was the market. I left android October of 2010 for the most part aside from picking up random great deals on Craigslist. I most recently tried the Gnex, and it seemed to have a lot of the issues that put me on the prowl in the first place still, so I was not smitten. However, the progression of the app market is phenomenal, a far cry from the doldrum mess that I was forced to search through in my time with android. The new Google Play point is great and feels a lot less like a beta test than it did before. While I'll always prefer WP7's dynamic UI, I much preferred Meego's to android's. There are no "official" widgets yet, but even without, the three home screens have all the info you need and the lock screen is great. It offers a, "sleeping clock" feature where even when the phone is asleep, the clock is still displayed, as well as your notifications. After double tapping on that, you have more specific notifications over a background pic of your choosing, you can swipe on any of these to open the app direct, or just swipe the whole homescreen off which leads to the homescreens, one has all your apps complete with folders. The next, shows all the apps you have currently running. True multi-tasking an astonishing 19 apps and no real hiccups. Amazing. Then, there's your notifications tab, it keeps your notifications as well as a list of your social network mews feed on hand. Everything just feels easy and intuitive. Android, sadly, still felt pretty much the same, I guess if it's not broke, don't fix it, but there's better UI options. Overall, the xperia Play got the least play, not because it's a bad device, but it's just not what I need. The N9 is great, but suffers some of the same issues android does. It is, however, a good meeting point between android and WP7 and was abandoned far too early. Neither pulled me from WP7, but unfortunately, I now try to double-tap my 900 to unlock it.

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That should've stuck with Meego. That would've been a real 4th OS.
Nokia can't shine with Wp7.
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vetvito said:
That should've stuck with Meego. That would've been a real 4th OS.
Nokia can't shine with Wp7.
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The Lumia 900 seems to be doing quite well for itself, replacing the iPhone as ATT's hero device. I can't wait to see what the 610 does in India.

I read somewhere that at&t associates doin a disservice for customers. It seems iPhone is still the hero device, salespeople still pushing the iPhone and not giving the lumia900 a chance.
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They sell what they know, unfortunately most att reps know little about phones.

wendellc said:
I read somewhere that at&t associates doin a disservice for customers. It seems iPhone is still the hero device, salespeople still pushing the iPhone and not giving the lumia900 a chance.
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Yh my mum went to the store and I went with her as I know more about phones than the actual sales reps.she told them,I need a high end device,they told her don't look at anything else but an iPhone 4 s,I told them y? Answer: "because its an iPhone,hazzz market,better touch screen and its an.....iPhone etc u get the point." I just loled

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bartoloandre98 said:
Yh my mum went to the store and I went with her as I know more about phones than the actual sales reps.she told them,I need a high end device,they told her don't look at anything else but an iPhone 4 s,I told them y? Answer: "because its an iPhone,hazzz market,better touch screen and its an.....iPhone etc u get the point." I just loled
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Wow for them just to say that I will say one thing well a couple.
1st smart phone - w as iPhone 3GS 16gb. Loved it..... When I had it.
2 nd smart phone - htc hd7. Was okay not many apps. Hated metro tiles.
3rd smart phone -galaxy s2 i9100- LOVE IT MORE THEN ANYTHING. Awesome phone. Went to go get a iPhone 4s . But I thought and my friend said u have to try andriod. Now he was right not goin to any other Os ever again.
For her to say iPhone as a high end device is funny.

No Oreo for the P9

Hey Folks!
According to HuaweiBlog.de the P9 will not be updated to Oreo. That's pretty ****ty. It's a 569€ (Retail price 18.04.2016) )phone and only 18 month "old". What the heck is Huawei thinkng? They will lose customers.
What do you think?

They suck! Would never buy a phone from them for this reason. But to be honest, saw the Oreo on Mate 9, nothing to be mad about, minor changes but still it's not right to provide only one OS update on a phone that costs more than $600 (500 euros). Owners of P9 should blast them on all their Social media accounts to they get a lot negative feedback and notice the people's feelings

I don't know----it's fairly standard for premium android phones to get only 2 major OS during their short life. Nowadays you are "supposed" to get a new device every 2 years. The P9 was released with M and now has N (well almost all!) so that is probably all you are going to get. Most of the big brands do the same with their flagship devices. I'm mad because Nougat will not work on my P9, so I cannot even get any update.

Translated:
"Once again clarification. This article does not reflect the opinion of Huawei Germany. Huawei has not officially announced yet, which smartphones are supplied with Oreo."

"huruduru I will not buy from them again... ever!"
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Jesus Christ its like watching kids crying about other kids that dont want to play with them...
You behave like that update is a matter of life and death to you. Like this update would make your phone brand new, add 10000 and 1 new features and give you 2 weeks of battery life.
Get a fricking life... This is just update, your phone is still the same, and if you would use your eyes and brain you would see that every update from every OEM fix something and mess something and rest is placebo effects. Especially battery life, that because of wipe/new apps look good in the first glance but later you get average time and you realize that difference is bellow 5%...
Not to mention that source is some german blog that have nothing to do with Huawei, I can find for you few post about P9 not getting EMUI 5.0 and oh wait... we have it...
And seriously stop that nonsense about not buying from some company ever again. Its like buying LG dishwasher that turn to work good but not so fast as it in reviews, and after that you state that you NEVER EVER gonna buy anything from them, TV, blu-ray... nothing! I can imagine that you have the same face as little kid:
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''but eeee... its was expensive flaghip!"
No it was not, I bought it year ago, new from Media Markt for 500Euro(right now average price in Spain, German and Poland is 380Euro), hell P10 right now cost 499Euro...
Not to menton that phone is almost two year old, lets see how many devices from that time period, similar price tag and specification have oreo....
LG G5 - Nope still not here
OnePlus 3 - Still in bugged beta stage
HTC 10 - planed but still no update...
Xperia XZ - announced but still in waiting list... and because its Sony, and before Huawei I used xperias I can be sure that their updates will need 1000 fixes because I never encounter sony update that was good...
Gionee S8 - nope.
Asus Zenfone 3 - nope.
Even damn Xiaomi Mi Mix still dont have update -_-
So now relax, use your phone as always, because guess what? it will work even without update. Dont treat updates like some sort of miracle thing that make your phone x100 better in every way, and most important, stop crying about Huawei because compared to other companies its not that bad, especially that you not getting updates that need 100 additional updates that fix major problems. Compared to any other OEM I would rather get one/two updates but working without messing my device. I buy device for how it work and look, and updates dont really change much, especially when average lifespan of device is 3 years.

@Akinaro I guess you need to get a life man. Having time to write so much BS doesn't show like you have one...
Updates are important not just for the futures - about security too. And for the price of the phone you deserve better.
And you say "stop crying" but you are crying too... It's kinda funny. We all have different demands, some people like you settle with less, others want more. I respect people that are ready to fight when someone screwed them... So many better options out there than Huawei and their greedy a**
P.S: Using MEMEs is so mature...

MartinDimchev said:
@Akinaro I guess you need to get a life man. Having time to write so much BS doesn't show like you have one...
Updates are important not just for the futures - about security too. And for the price of the phone you deserve better.
And you say "stop crying" but you are crying too... It's kinda funny. We all have different demands, some people like you settle with less, others want more. I respect people that are ready to fight when someone screwed them... So many better options out there than Huawei and their greedy a**
P.S: Using MEMEs is so mature...
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Writing that and finding that meme took me less than 2 minutes, in the same time I was preparing diner. And by willing to prepare food with intent of eating it, I can say that I have life, because I was not focusing 100% on that so much. Not to mention that Im not spending lots of time here posting sad comment about not getting update...
Second thing. yes, of course Im not mature, because your emojs are more mature than images with text that I used WAY before they where called memes that just express specific idea/though in funny way...
Of course, yes, humor and making fun is not mature... I will say that when I meet stand-up comedian or people who make comedy shows, especially writers that by average are 40 years old. Im barely 29, so compared to comedians Im a just a kid, so I think I have that nice possibility to use "memes"...
And sadly I see that you not really get the idea behind expression "crying"...
I would explain it to you, but, guess what? Its not my job. and and right about now, I spend 1 minute and 20 second writing that reply in the same time focusing on eating and watching on my P9 latest news.... because i dont really need update for that....
PS. dont compare security updates to major os updates... its really sad that people in xda forum cant really separate such simple things in their minds...
Good day :]

And again 1000 lines with nothing important in them (skipped most of them). Too much free time man, and too much on the internet I guess. Emojis is a lot different than MEMEs... It's not about the time to find it, it's about using it at all, when you can just write it.
So enjoy your dinner and then cut the internet cord - as it looks like it's not good for you. At least take a break for a while.
Have a good day.

si actualización para el p9.
https://www.androidhits.com/android-oreo-huawei-opens-registrations-beta-test-p9-emui-8/

josean36 said:
si actualización para el p9.
https://www.androidhits.com/android-oreo-huawei-opens-registrations-beta-test-p9-emui-8/
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Thanks for this link. It seems there are different infos atm and we have to wait. Newest Beta App is running fine but no projects available..

He's right. An almost 600 euro expensive phone which after a little more than 1.5 years now no Oreo gets more is absolute Bull****
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@Akinaro, @MartinDimchev and @Simon G,
That's really not the point. The point is : a couple of website had some information to the Oreo coming on P9 and the Beta program seems to be active for the P9, according to the access, indeed there's no project availability.
So, if you want to debate to the software support of Huawei, open your own thread and don't pollute this one.

Until the official announcement we cant say any thing... I read somewhere that huawei has 2 major update policy for its flagship phones... so until it is official dont share wrong info...✌✌

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So now relax, use your phone as always, because guess what? it will work even without update.
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I can't because it doesn't work without update. I had to disable bluetooth due to CVE-2017-0785 and WIFI due to CVE-2017-13077 to CVE-2017-13088.

Lol.

TrivialPanPan said:
@Akinaro, @MartinDimchev and @Simon G,
That's really not the point. The point is : a couple of website had some information to the Oreo coming on P9 and the Beta program seems to be active for the P9, according to the access, indeed there's no project availability.
So, if you want to debate to the software support of Huawei, open your own thread and don't pollute this one.
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But for the app they doesn't say which phones can install it to wait for beta... It was released for the Mate 9

josean36 said:
si actualización para el p9.
https://www.androidhits.com/android-oreo-huawei-opens-registrations-beta-test-p9-emui-8/
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This Beta is not for P9 is for Mate9

What? The beta app is for mate 9?
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Found this :
https://translate.googleusercontent...4069/2&usg=ALkJrhjzCj6H-IyYCTaUy-V3NJ15YuX2nA
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alexz0ne said:
Found this :
https://translate.googleusercontent...4069/2&usg=ALkJrhjzCj6H-IyYCTaUy-V3NJ15YuX2nA
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Nice one @alexz0ne!

End-of-Life-of-MXPE - This product will no longer receive security updates.

moto x pure edition (2015)
Android 7 (Nougat) rollout began in November 2017.
Click here to learn more about Android 7 (Nougat).
Do you have the latest Motorola software? Find out.
Security updates
This product will no longer receive security updates.
https://support.motorola.com/us/en/softwareupgrade

Hitti2 said:
moto x pure edition (2015)
Android 7 (Nougat) rollout began in November 2017.
Click here to learn more about Android 7 (Nougat).
Do you have the latest Motorola software? Find out.
Security updates
This product will no longer receive security updates.
https://support.motorola.com/us/en/softwareupgrade
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Ok. Not trying to be condescending, but most of us already figured that Lenovo would be dropping their support. It is almost 3 years since release and 2 years or so of support at most is pretty standard.
If the lack of support for security updates bothers anyone, there are 2 options available: custom ROMs or upgrade to a newer device. Personally, I think being smart about installing apps and basic personal good security habits should be sufficient to protect a user.

It is very unusual for any Moto device to get upgrades/updates after 24 months past release... In general figure that if it's been out 18 months, it's done. This is nothing unusual, if you expect more than that your kidding yourself.

RIP it was a good journey

Andronikou said:
RIP it was a good journey
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Really? So on reading the above you just destroyed your phone?
Mine isn't dead, it's as good as the day I bought it and does 95% of what I want from a phone.
As aybarrap1 says intelligent informed use of your phone mitigates any security problems. It isn't any worse today than it was yesterday or last month!

m+a+r+k said:
Really? So on reading the above you just destroyed your phone?
Mine isn't dead, it's as good as the day I bought it and does 95% of what I want from a phone.
As aybarrap1 says intelligent informed use of your phone mitigates any security problems. It isn't any worse today than it was yesterday or last month!
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This... As far as "security updates" go, they are largely just a marketing gimmick. I've written several post on why they are not realky important so I won't do it again.

If my moto didn't crap out., I would still be using it with out security updates. But I moved on to Pixel 2 xl. Glad the moto died now. Moved on to pixel 2 xl. Loving every minute of it. It will be a matter of time phones will be just way to expensive to keep up with next best thing. Phones are at there limit and are in a stale mate with technology. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the next 2 to 3 years a major slow down on purchases of phones. Then the rise of pay per security updates. Phone companies still making money.

StankFiss said:
If my moto didn't crap out., I would still be using it with out security updates. But I moved on to Pixel 2 xl. Glad the moto died now. Moved on to pixel 2 xl. Loving every minute of it. It will be a matter of time phones will be just way to expensive to keep up with next best thing. Phones are at there limit and are in a stale mate with technology. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the next 2 to 3 years a major slow down on purchases of phones. Then the rise of pay per security updates. Phone companies still making money.
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Updates as DLC? Scary...

acejavelin said:
Updates as DLC? Scary...
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Android as a service, pay per month.

zeroibis said:
Android as a service, pay per month.
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Eh... Why not? Microsoft is already considering Desktop As A Service... What could go wrong? Lol

acejavelin said:
Eh... Why not? Microsoft is already considering Desktop As A Service... What could go wrong? Lol
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Yep, that is exactly what I was referencing. :silly:

Our mxpe/style can run O and P, the reason for it is greedyness of a company wanting you to "buy" the newest latest tech that comes with latest OS. BS, I want the latest features and energy efficiency OS.
Like m+a+r+k said, it's still like new, knock on wood. Mine is going on 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old depending on the production date. I'm not one that can afford a new phone so I am stuck with I got and happy I didn't pick the nexus at the same time the mxpe came out well because my mxpe is still rolling.
Anyways, I facebooked on Android story page of Android Pie and you do not want to know what I said I also tagged lenovo and motorola on this particular subject on that page, letting know what I think of them for doing this when the phone can run o and p just "cussing" fine.

StankFiss said:
If my moto didn't crap out., I would still be using it with out security updates. But I moved on to Pixel 2 xl. Glad the moto died now. Moved on to pixel 2 xl. Loving every minute of it. It will be a matter of time phones will be just way to expensive to keep up with next best thing. Phones are at there limit and are in a stale mate with technology. I wouldn't be surprised to see in the next 2 to 3 years a major slow down on purchases of phones. Then the rise of pay per security updates. Phone companies still making money.
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If mine died I would probably go for a Pixel 2. They'll be fantastic bargains when the Pixel 3 comes out. My main device is a Pixel C and so I can't justify £500-800 for a phone which is essentially just my communication device and music/podcast player!
How did we get to the point where £800 is the norm for top devices? Crazy!

Hitti2 said:
Our mxpe/style can run O and P, the reason for it is greedyness of a company wanting you to "buy" the newest latest tech that comes with latest OS. BS, I want the latest features and energy efficiency OS.
Like m+a+r+k said, it's still like new, knock on wood. Mine is going on 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old depending on the production date. I'm not one that can afford a new phone so I am stuck with I got and happy I didn't pick the nexus at the same time the mxpe came out well because my mxpe is still rolling.
Anyways, I facebooked on Android story page of Android Pie and you do not want to know what I said I also tagged lenovo and motorola on this particular subject on that page, letting know what I think of them for doing this when the phone can run o and p just "cussing" fine.
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This topic has been beaten to death... It is what it is. It's purely a ROI thing, so I don't blame them honestly. Why invest hundreds of man hours in a device that 90% of users won't keep more than 2 years anyway?

m+a+r+k said:
If mine died I would probably go for a Pixel 2. They'll be fantastic bargains when the Pixel 3 comes out. My main device is a Pixel C and so I can't justify £500-800 for a phone which is essentially just my communication device and music/podcast player!
How did we get to the point where £800 is the norm for top devices? Crazy!
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I bought second hand. But the person owned if for little over 30 days so they couldn't return and I know the person. They just didn't like the vanilla android and the slight blue when looking at it more than a 45 degree angle. I got use to it and now don't even notice. Pixel 2 xl is a beast. Always reached 8 hr SOT with 15% to spare when I do run the heck out it. That's with 60% brightness all the time. Bought for half price.
Side note though. Yes you can run roms with O and soon P on the XPE but roms are glitchy. Every one I've run into is made by very good DEVS but they make it to their liking. DEVS will soon abandon the XPE just like all other phones. I would pay moto for OS updates but not security updates. Security updates like stated before is just to give some warm and fuzzy like you're safe. I don't keep credit cards on my phone. If they want my emails they can have them. I do not store anything on my phone that will benefit any thief.

Android 7 on the Moto X Pure is great... I've been using 8.1 and now 9.0 on the essential phone and IMO Google has gone backwards more than forwards since 7.1.
If I hadn't picked up the Essential Phone for $250 on primeday I would use the Moto for another year... Or more. Definitely keeping it as a backup.

Charles7 said:
Android 7 on the Moto X Pure is great... I've been using 8.1 and now 9.0 on the essential phone and IMO Google has gone backwards more than forwards since 7.1.
If I hadn't picked up the Essential Phone for $250 on primeday I would use the Moto for another year... Or more. Definitely keeping it as a backup.
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I agree. Lots of bugs still in 8.1.

StankFiss said:
I agree. Lots of bugs still in 8.1.
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IMO 8.1 just didn't add much for the user and 9.0 is all about restriction, becoming more Apple like with a joke of a gesture navigation. So for me, 8+ is a big meh... I can happily live without them if I had to.

LOL...I would love to see how they would implement android as a service. The core of android itself is Linux based so there is the first issue. Aside from that, with so many hands in the pot implementing their own stuff into android, I can't see any common ground really being reached...especially when it could be seen as colluding.
As are as device support ending by the 2 year mark, no surprise there. This is common practice in the industry and it will probably not change. In fact, with most devices being released today having the batteries not being user-replaceable, it just helps companies sell more devices. Anyone who is a moderate to heavy user can attest that the battery longevity considerably depletes in 2 years. I have known people to use phones 3 or more years if the battery was easily replaceable. The companies could not win with stopping updates, but they are because of diminishing battery life.
Personally I would not being willing to pay for OS upgrades. They should be provided for 18 to 24 months for free. If it works, and the apps I need work, then so be it. By the time the apps will no longer work with the older OS, the device is probably over 4 years since release and it is time to move on.

Charles7 said:
Android 7 on the Moto X Pure is great... I've been using 8.1 and now 9.0 on the essential phone and IMO Google has gone backwards more than forwards since 7.1.
If I hadn't picked up the Essential Phone for $250 on primeday I would use the Moto for another year... Or more. Definitely keeping it as a backup.
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It sounds stupid but i wanted oreo notification features and so i got em. Found the app material notification shade for my stock nougat 7.0 rooted and substratum dark grey theme, bought both. I officially happy with my setup, more than happy now, estatic actually.
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