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Hello,
Just had a question. I sometimes receive "group mms" messages from friends with iphones who are on AT&T (i'm on verizon with a DX). It seems like the list of recipients isn't being sent along with the MMS. So it looks like a message that's directed at me, and not at a group of people. Also, this makes it difficult to respond to everyone that was on the original list for the message. Not to mention the fact that the individual replies from other people go into the list of text's between that person and I, and not into one viewable group conversation. I had this problem with an old feature-phone that i had as well, but just chalked that up to bad software. I've been searching here, on howardforums, and other places, but no one seems to know much about it. Has anyone else seen this, and is there anything that i can do about it?
Thanks in advance!
Hey djuniah,
I understand what you are saying. I have been having the same problem too. These are automated msg's sent out by the service providers.
I reckon, you contact your network provider and look into the processes. I did that when this problem was occurring and it was rectified.
Now, its no guarantee that you wont get another msg like it... but the network provider does his/her best to rectify it..
Hope this helps.
err, i don't think you understand what i mean. I'm talking about this scenario
Friend1 (with iphone on AT&T) -> Sends group mms to "Friend2, Friend3, and me"
Friend2 (with iphone on AT&T) -> Sees the message with all of the other people's names attached. When they reply, it goes to everyone in the group mms
me (droid x on verizon) -> I see the original message from friend1 in the same thread as all of my previous messages with friend1. When friend2 sent their reply, i see that message in the thread with all of my previous messages from friend2. When i want to reply, i have to reply to each of them individually, not as a group.
I called vzw and the operator there said he saw the same issue on his OG droid. I've assumed this was a network issue for a while now, but i was wondering if anyone had any solid info as to why it was happening and if there was anything we could do about it.
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This isn't network trickery, as far as I can see. It's Apple intelligently using the features built into MMS long ago to send a group message, have other iPhones handle that group message in a way that you can 'reply to all' like email.
Someone (Google, Go SMS, HandCent) needs to simply build the 'group' feature into their application so that it can properly see the recipients of the MMS as a Group and reply to all. If I go into the message details of one of these MMS messages on my Evo, I can see everyone that got the message... Now, the app just needs to look at that and do something with it.
It's very similar to Beluga... albeit not as functional.
Yeah, i had come to a similar conclusion once i started looking at the message details. If most of those texting apps can handle sending group messages, i don't see why they havent/cant build the ability to notice them coming in...
seems like a really simple and practical thing to have
Any luck with this issue>?
djuniah said:
Hello,
Just had a question. I sometimes receive "group mms" messages from friends with iphones who are on AT&T (i'm on verizon with a DX). It seems like the list of recipients isn't being sent along with the MMS. So it looks like a message that's directed at me, and not at a group of people. Also, this makes it difficult to respond to everyone that was on the original list for the message. Not to mention the fact that the individual replies from other people go into the list of text's between that person and I, and not into one viewable group conversation.
Has anyone else seen this, and is there anything that i can do about it?
Thanks in advance!
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Any luck with this issue? I noticed it works for BB users also. I have iPhone users, BB users, and EVO (Android) users on a Group MMS chat and it seems that only us Androids are not able to reply to the "Group". We can create a group on our end and batch text each user, but the messages are not received in their "group mms" screen, its on a direct individual one. Need to figure this one out so I can continue my "My phone is better than yours" war with my iPhone friends. Heheh.
bump this back up, i just got into this issue a few days ago, if i cant me sms agent to iphone in handcent would that do anything for me
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this is a growing problem for me, and for Android i fear...
of my closest 20 friends, 18 of us use Android, 1 blackberry, the rest iPhone... and the group SMS (really MMS) messages are common - PLUS - the one BB user can reply to all with their device. granted the BB reply looks like email the way it contains the whole message with headers in its reply, but still it can play the game.
i find it really surprising that simply threading the messages that come in to multiple recipients hasn't been addressed, and if i had the technical skill i would address it myself.
i am currently on an Atrix using Cyanogen's beta, and have an Inspire running the 7.1 RC.... i have tried both the native SMS/MMS apps, Handscent (though not recently) and love GOSMS Pro (though it seems to periodically send out duplicate texts for some reason).
i would love to find a way to thread my SMS/MMS messages with groups like the iPhone does so i can join these conversations instead of receiving any number of random replies from people and having to piece together the conversation. ANY help with this would be appreciated.
installing the vzw messenger app DID "solve" the problem for me. I prefer to use GOSMS Pro, but when i get a group message, i reply to it with the verizon one. However, now i get double the notifications from GOSMS. For some reason, it's pop-up thinks i got 2 messages instead of one (with the same content). This is far from ideal, but it does work.
what about outside of VZW?
i wish there was an app i could get my hands on like your VZW app, maybe its not perfect, but it gets you through the issue until something better comes along. being on the Atrix and the Inspire i'm with AT&T coming off an iPhone, and periodically having to go back if there's reason for me to play a role in some happening which is causing an unusually high number of group texts.
from what i can tell, Handscent and GOSMS Pro are really the only contenders in the platform-wide SMS/MMS alternatives, I'm surprised they've spent so much time focused on making their themes pretty instead of addressing this well documented but unaddressed issue.
has anyone else found other alternatives?
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I've been looking for this for a year. Today an iPhone user asked me why is that we cannot reply to group messages. She's anoyed because she have to forward all the messages received from Androids to the rest of the group...
The right pane of the notification area says "Select a notification" but nothing happens when I select any notification. I have few question for which I need answers.
1. When I go to notifications in the desktop software, I dont see the entire message in a notification and when I click on it, nothing appears on the right. How can I see the full message?
2. While using whatsapp, I keep getting lots of messages like "6 messages from 2 conversations." How do see these 6 messages? Nothing happens when I click on it.
3. For example if I get a whatsapp message from my friend Bob with a message "Hey.... how is it going? wanna make some plan for the evening? im free after 5, leave a message when free", the message will pop up with a full message for a glimpse but it will disappear after a while and then it will go to the notification panel like this:
Code:
[B]John[/B]
Hey.... how is it going? wanna make some p..
Now here if john sends another message, the notification panel will say:
Code:
[B]John[/B]
2 new messages
The second following message will not be shown on the notification panel. While in a meeting or at a place away from my phone, I can use my laptop to view notifications but cannot see because the notifications are grouped with messages like "9 messages from 5 conversations.". Is there any solution to this?
4. I was not able to find notifications in the Web interface of android, It has messages, apps, files, photos, muic, ringtones, videos, call logs, contacts, frequent, screenshot, camera, find phone and help but no notification. Is that to be installed somehow?
5. A lot of search on this brought me to this AirDroid topic of xda. So far I got only one place to look for my notifications. Thats in the C:\AirDroid\AirNotify100.db area. I opened that database in SQLite 3, it had all the fields like OWID, ApkID, Title, Content, MsgID, MsgDate, MsgFrom, Ptype, AppInfo, IsRead but the content and other things are in encrypted form. Any idea how to decode that? I added the decoding question in the general discussion too http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/sqlite-3-read-encrypted-messages-t2982672
Thanks
Hi, I couldn't find anywhere such an info. This could be a potential reason for me not to buy this watch.
Is it possibile to directly start an hangout chat or a whatsapp chat directly from the watch? I mean can I only answer to a recieved hangout or whatsapp message I guess, but can I even send a new message directly from the watch?
I own a Huawei Watch and, at least for Google hangout, I can start a new chat directly from the smartwatch.
Thanks in advance, this is really important for me.
I'm using an app called NOTIFICATION STYLE GEAR for receiving and sending whatsapp messages, it can also send & receive emails, FB, Google Now,Hangout and more.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores the contact and you can reply at any time.
But there is just one problem with the app, it can only store your messages for as long as the watch is on, if you turn it off, you loose your messages/whatsapp contacts. Then you need wait for the person to send another message again.
It's available on play store, your get 20 free tries, then you need to purchase the app.
It's not perfect, but at the moment this is the only app I have found that you can reply to a contract stored on your watch.
There is also another app called what history. Which let's you store whatsapp messages, the developer said you will be able to reply to messages in the next update.
First of all thank you very much for your answer.
I thought that you could answer any notification without having to use a dedicated app, I mean, I though you could answer a whatsapp or a hangout message on your own on the watch without any app. Isn't it true?
I was asking just whether or not you need a separate app to start a new chat on your own.
Now, from your answer it seems like you need an app to reply to a chat message too. This is scaring. 😱😱😱
I mean, then what kind of notification you can answer on your own on the watch, just sma and email?
You can answer a message: whatsapp , mail or hanghouts. but you cannot start one.
Using the S3 with the Oneplus 3T
Pandor said:
You can answer a message: whatsapp , mail or hanghouts. but you cannot start one.
Using the S3 with the Oneplus 3T
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Thanks, this sound better
Then, the app Iamac was talking about is needed to start a conversation with hangout or WhatsApp directly from the watch?
Hello Aratheba, the app I use works like this.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores it on the watch. You can delete the message but it will keep the senders name. That way you can reply at any time. I'm not sure if it is the same for hangout messages as I do not use it.
As I said earlier, the downside to this app is when you turn the watch off, as it looses all the contacts and messages. And you have to wait till you receive another message then it stores it again.
This app works well as you get a pop up on the watch with the senders whatsapp profile pic. There are many settings within the app for different vibrate patterns for different message types. For example, you can have 3 vibrates for whatsapp and 5 for hangout. You can also change the font size to make it either easier to read or smaller to fit more of the message on the watch screen.
I hope this helps you.
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Hello Aratheba, the app I use works like this.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores it on the watch. You can delete the message but it will keep the senders name. That way you can reply at any time. I'm not sure if it is the same for hangout messages as I do not use it.
As I said earlier, the downside to this app is when you turn the watch off, as it looses all the contacts and messages. And you have to wait till you receive another message then it stores it again.
This app works well as you get a pop up on the watch with the senders whatsapp profile pic. There are many settings within the app for different vibrate patterns for different message types. For example, you can have 3 vibrates for whatsapp and 5 for hangout. You can also change the font size to make it either easier to read or smaller to fit more of the message on the watch screen.
I hope this helps you.
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Thanks. Now it's crystal clear.
It's not perfect but it's a beginning. It would be interesting to know whether it really works for hangout too.
Thanks anyway
What do you use hangouts for? I just tried it.
With the app I use, it isn't very good. I don't see any emails. If I use sms I can receive but no option to reply.
You are meant to receive hangout messages with the watch's own app, when I tried it, I got no notifications. There is a list of app notification to choose from and hangouts was selected.
For emails I use a android phone app called MY MAIL it merges all my email accounts into one app and I can use this with notification wear app I have for the watch.
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What do you use hangouts for? I just tried it.
With the app I use, it isn't very good. I don't see any emails. If I use sms I can receive but no option to reply.
You are meant to receive hangout messages with the watch's own app, when I tried it, I got no notifications. There is a list of app notification to choose from and hangouts was selected.
For emails I use a android phone app called MY MAIL it merges all my email accounts into one app and I can use this with notification wear app I have for the watch.
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I use hangout way more than whatsapp. There are several reasons for.me to prefer hangout over whatsapp, but it would be ot here.
I also use Hangouts more than Whatsapp, as it is used as my company's chat app. Have been using Wear for the last 2 years, and have never found a reason to start a message on the watch. Trying to find the contact you need would take forever. Replying to a message i done a few times, probably now a bit more as the S3 has a " keyboard".
It's easier than you think: you just don't have to archive chat and you can easily add a new message to an already existing thread. No need to search for contacts.
Moreover I found that voice dictation on wear it's almost perfect.
And, if you try last preview for wear 2.0 you even have keyboard and hand writing. ?
Hi everybody,
I'm new so I'm sorry if I violated a rule, or I missed the section, or else.
But I bought recently this beautiful smartwatch and paired with my P9 lite (Nougat) and I just saw the VERY BIG problem of this watch: WhatsApp's notifications.
So I started to download all the solutions, like the Chat Hub, W History etc etc ... all s**t both software and UI.
Downloaded Notification for Gear s123 (both versions available) but app crashed frequently.
I downloaded Double Check that you can receive notification via this app and WhatsApp too, so double notifications for one message and the watch receive double notifications too and often the watch did not vibrated.
With all this "test" I understand the mechanism of Gear s2's notifications system so I started to develop an app for that, but immediately I applied the first rule of programming:
If something has already been done, do not do it again.
I looked for a message merger:
Then I downloaded an app called Disa from the play store and installed the WhatsApp plugin and now all is ok !!!!!
PRO
- Read all messages
- Reply to all messages
- On phone, you can merge all the notification from the same sender.
CONS
- When you open a message on watch you can see this struct:
Sender
Messages
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messages
But only when you open the notification!
-Sender profile image no more on the background of the watch when receiving a notification.
-Has a different UI for use whatsapp.
However, it's a temporary solution, basically it's just an update to whatsapp or Gear or ... Then I don't know if an update will breaks the app, but at the moment works very very well.
Now I'm working on the development of an app I'm going to do for free but my work takes me a long time.
I hope to have helped.
Best regards!
Thank you so much for the tip! Appreciate your work and may you develop an awesome app to rectify a problem that Samsung doesn't want to
Thank you, I appreciate your support.
However it's not all the fault of Samsung. In fact, the Gear Notification Manager (seems) works that if the app on the phone has the permission to vibrate, the smartwatch vibrates, if the notification on the smartphone contains some information (in this case the messages) then the smartwatch shows that information. WhatsApp restricts Gear functionality through the notification system it has adopted. In other words, Disa sends notifications to the smartphone in a different way, for example, Disa doesn't show the sender's profile photo.
Little update:
Reply via Speech-to-text isn't supported on Gear.
I recently bought a Gear S3 and since then looking for a nice decent solution to the WhatsApp problem.
W-History is doing as promised, but a really ugly GUI.
Notifications for S123 doesn't work on my S3
Chat Hub I didn't check.
I ended up using Notifications Wear Style, which works well for me.
The free version can show 20 messages and then tells you to buy the premium version.
I was about to buy the premium version till I saw your post.
It made me really curious if you can come up with a free app and nice GUI would be a big plus.
Anyway, keep up the good work and hope to see your app soon.
Note that there are a lot of message merger in play store! I just download the first.
However, my work take me long time so I don't know when I can develop the app.
I can only view last received message from notifications thats it. Cant find a place for all messages.
Download from Play Store, an app called Disa. Then download (from app) the plugin for WhatsApp. After that you will able to read (and reply) all WhatsApp messagges.
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Download from Play Store, an app called Disa. Then download (from app) the plugin for WhatsApp. After that you will able to read (and reply) all WhatsApp messagges.
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Downloaded Disa yesterday, but when started it said that the original WhatsApp app needed to be deinstalled.
Is that correct ?
What are the consequences when the original client is deinstalled ?
Yes. I use this app from 9 days and no problem. The plugin support the end to end encryption.
If you use Disa you can't do call and videocall from WhatsApp.
For what remains you can do all what you do with WhatsApp.
On p9 lite works very well.
erfack said:
Yes. I use this app from 9 days and no problem. The plugin support the end to end encryption.
If you use Disa you can't do call and videocall from WhatsApp.
For what remains you can do all what you do with WhatsApp.
On p9 lite works very well.
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Thanks for the quick answer and information.
Will I loose any current conversations from the original WhatsApp client when I deinstall it and start to use Disa ?
(just want to know before I get into surprises).
No problem man, we are all in the same boat.
And yes, you will loose all conversations.
Received today an upgrade for WhatsApp's plugin. Still no problem with the Gear.
was perfect solution if only allows call and videocall.. maybe in future this possible with Disa?
in every case thank you so much for the Trick
Well, I was thoroughly investigating the problem of notifications, not only with WhatsApp, but with apps like Telegram, Hagouts, Allo and so on. (Of all, only Facebook Messenger Lite had no problems and showed the history normally).
Well, from Android Nougat, the notifications have changed and have come to present more information, but the way Gear handles them yet! The Gear app sends the notifications by the title (or the name of the contact) AND the last information received.
Tizen receives the title and compares it with existing notification titles. If it matches, it will add the last information received in the saved messages. If the title of the notification differs from the one stored, it will understand that it is a new notification and then create a new page.
WhatsApp and Telegram notifications on Android nougat are like this:
For a message:
Name
For two messages:
Name (2 messages)
For three messages:
Name (3 messages)
And more ...
Therefore, the notification title changes each message, making what Tizen thinks is a new notification and creating a new page. The old message is deleted the title has changed and soon the system thinks it has been read.
Anyone who owned a device with the MM or lower could confirm my thesis?
yuzaman said:
was perfect solution if only allows call and videocall.. maybe in future this possible with Disa?
in every case thank you so much for the Trick
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Maybe... but I don't believe. The scope of Disa is to merge the messages not to do calls.
UPDATE: Yesterday I received an update of DIsa and WhatsApp's plugin. Still work!
erfack said:
Maybe... but I don't believe. The scope of Disa is to merge the messages not to do calls.
UPDATE: Yesterday I received an update of DIsa and WhatsApp's plugin. Still work!
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Hi @erfack, I don't know if you are using any other method to read Whatsapp messages on Gear, but I have a Gear Sport and I still don't like any of the solutions when I compare to Android Wear.
I started to investigate it too, and this is what I found: If I connect an Android Wear device to my phone, a "Read More" option appears on the Gear Sport (tested in S2 and S3 too).
Full history:
I have a Gear Sport and, as many others, I'm trying to understand why the Read More options is not appearing in some third-party apps, like Whatsapp.
What I found is that if I have only my Gear Sport connected to my Galaxy S8+, the Read More options does not appear and I can only read the last message received, not the full conversation.
But if I connect another watch to my phone (I also have a Huawei Watch, which runs Android Wear 2) then the Read More option appears on the Gear Watch! Then I can read all messages received.
I have to believe that Samsung can correct this, since it appears to be a notification bug, solved somehow by the Android Wear connection.
For now, I'm just unable to switch from Android Wear to Tizen because of this ridiculous bug that is here since the Gear S2, as far as I read here on the foruns.
Anyway, thanks for your info on Disa!
Hi @Lucas_Skyline, I found there is an incompatibility by Tizen in the android notification system. This is caused by the new Android notification system that have more function and more types respect the oldest versions. Furthermore there's some difficulties about to write code 'cause, in Tizen, apps are written in C (now C++ and .NET too) while android is full Java. This is for Tizen. For WhatsApp, Mr. Zucks decided to not release API or source code of WhatsApp then is more hardest to circunmavigate this (ugly...very ugly!) bug.
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Hi @Lucas_Skyline, I found there is an incompatibility by Tizen in the android notification system. This is caused by the new Android notification system that have more function and more types respect the oldest versions. Furthermore there's some difficulties about to write code 'cause, in Tizen, apps are written in C (now C++ and .NET too) while android is full Java. This is for Tizen. For WhatsApp, Mr. Zucks decided to not release API or source code of WhatsApp then is more hardest to circunmavigate this (ugly...very ugly!) bug.
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Understood!
I was wondering why it works when I have a Android Wear device connected. I mean, it works on the Gear Sport, I connect my Huawei Watch and the "Read More" option appears. Maybe we could find a way to emulate an android wear device?
Is very very hard to simulate a OS (I think is possible, but the battery will drains after a couple of hour), but a custom solution is easy. Just change the notifications popup like Disa does. However I have the impression that is a commercial move by Android because Tizen is the 2nd wolrd's most popular OS for smartwatches ( Watch OS at 57%, Tizen at 19% and Android Wear at 18%).
not wark now whatsapp plugin ..
Well, I haven't seen anything about this here, (my search-fu might not be polling the right keywords) but this is bad news ya'll. The more that I research into this, the more that I see that Samsung chose to remove this feature. It is available on other Oreo devices (not Samsung's though, s8 s8+ users are affected after oreo update as well.) I tried Textra, and I can change the tone for the conversation, but that's hacky, not totally effective for group chats, and it is not sending or receiving all of my messages. I hate the single ringtone.
Anyone else frustrated by this?
(edit: thread is dead)Samsung forum thread https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...d-id/GeneralDiscussion/page/1/thread-id/19318
(edit) general Samsung discussion, at least 3 threads as of posting were about the text tones. https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/General-Discussion/bd-p/GeneralDiscussion
I'm equally annoyed by this. As many are from what I can find on other sites. Beyond me as to why Samsung decided to remove features. ? hoping for a fix soon on the native messaging app. I'll pass on 3rd party.
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Well, I haven't seen anything about this here, (my search-fu might not be polling the right keywords) but this is bad news ya'll. The more that I research into this, the more that I see that Samsung chose to remove this feature. It is available on other Oreo devices (not Samsung's though, s8 s8+ users are affected after oreo update as well.) I tried Textra, and I can change the tone for the conversation, but that's hacky, not totally effective for group chats, and it is not sending or receiving all of my messages. I hate the single ringtone.
Anyone else frustrated by this?
Samsung forum thread https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...d-id/GeneralDiscussion/page/1/thread-id/19318
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Are you referring to the stock SMS app? I use Chomp SMS and can change the notification sound.
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Go to settings > notifications > messages and then it is by category one sound for general alerts and one for new messages you can change the sound whether it vibrates or the importance
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Go to settings > notifications > messages and then it is by category one sound for general alerts and one for new messages you can change the sound whether it vibrates or the importance
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The OP is talking about assigning a specific tone to each individual contact, so you know who's texting you without looking.
I too am not thrilled with this because I want to use the Samsung messaging application for its integration on the phone and on my s3 watch go figure text notifications don't work as smoothly on the watch when your not using the Samsung messaging application. Seems specifically due to oreo.
I beta tested the S8+ Oreo and requested this feature. They said that not all features may be included in the Beta but may show up in the final release. I was skeptical and it appears they did do away with it. It was one of my favorite features, I hope they bring it back.
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Are you referring to the stock SMS app? I use Chomp SMS and can change the notification sound.
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I've checked out a bunch of apps, and I can custom assign tones to conversations (its not the contact that gets the tone) but that gets confusing on multicontact conversations. I setup a group sms chat with the family, but now its 1 tone for the conversation, rather than each person with their own tone. Very Frustrating. Hoping that the feature comes back.
The new android messages now allows custom conversation notifications, but it's not like the setting in contacts. But it is better than nothing and I'll keep hoping Samsung includes it in a later update.
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I've checked out a bunch of apps, and I can custom assign tones to conversations (its not the contact that gets the tone) but that gets confusing on multicontact conversations. I setup a group sms chat with the family, but now its 1 tone for the conversation, rather than each person with their own tone. Very Frustrating. Hoping that the feature comes back.
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Is this in the stock message application? How did you set it per coversation?
Just do it twice and it will set
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Just do it twice and it will set
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Do what twice? There's no place in the Samsung app, or in Samsung contacts, to set a message tone.
No, only can set custom conversation tones in apps like Textra and Chomp. The stock app only uses the default text sound (or the one that is set globally)
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Not sure what you mean, but I have done lots of things twice, and still no custom sms/mms tones per contact.
IT seems that Samsung might be paying attention:
http://piunikaweb.com/2018/04/10/samsung-may-bring-back-the-ability-to-customise-sms-ringtones/