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If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
KuGeL94 said:
If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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Yes!
SWTR said:
Yes!
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Indeed.
KuGeL94 said:
If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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The OTA will download but not install. You need stock recovery AND any system file that is updated by the OTA needs to be stock as well otherwise OTA install will fail.
Plenty of threads on XDA speak of this.
If you look at the OTA updater file you will see if uses MD5 (or similar) to check each system file it updates to make sure its as it was originally.
When you root it alters some system files.
Best thing is to install custom recovery and take a backup before rooted. Then root. When you get an OTA just restore backup and flash stock recovery. Then OTA will re-download. Let it install, then flash custom recovery and re-root.
Thanks, well I'll just stay unrooted and make the best out of it, the Moto G is just as amazing as Motorola developed it to be.
No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.
denzel09 said:
No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.
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Do you mean you downloaded OTA and flashed manually via recovery. You can do that I agree, but what you can't do is let OTA install naturally the way Motorola intended.
No. I had Philz recovery. System stock partition. Downloaded ota normally, reboot like ota update ask, phone reboots in philz recovery and this last flash ota automatically without any problem. There is not need to reflash stock recovery or flash ota update manually with custom rec, only need a non root stock system partition. I dont know if stock cwm or other rec like twrp work in same way but i doubt, always used only philz recovery.
You do not need stock recovery, I don't know who made this stupid rumour up. I use twrp and it flashes fine.
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i have root, custom recovery and unlocked bootloader. Today i got the emui 3.0 uppdate OTA. And i wonder will i need to re-lock the bootloader, install stock recovery and unroot in order for the update to install correctly?
maxen3 said:
i have root, custom recovery and unlocked bootloader. Today i got the emui 3.0 uppdate OTA. And i wonder will i need to re-lock the bootloader, install stock recovery and unroot in order for the update to install correctly?
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maxen3 said:
i have root, custom recovery and unlocked bootloader. Today i got the emui 3.0 uppdate OTA. And i wonder will i need to re-lock the bootloader, install stock recovery and unroot in order for the update to install correctly?
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Maxen,
You will have to restore to stock RECOVERY and possibly also stock SYSTEM.
I had the same situation, unlocked bootloader does not impact this. But the SYSTEM and RECOVERY definately has to be stock for the OTA flash to work.
See steps here:
Update steps for H60-L04 rooted, CWM/TWRP recovery B109SP01
So I unlocked by Bootloader and Rooted my OP6, the question I have is will the OTA updates be installed without any problems or will I have to install it manually?
Also when I install twrp (I have not installed yet) how will I need to update my phone through OTA?
Sorry if this is a noob question because the last time I rooted and flashed roms the software support was over so I never had any OTA updates.
Thanks
It will download the update but it most probably will download the Full 1.4GB ZIP
Meaning it will install the full rom and not the small update package.
It will install normally to the other slot and after reboot you should be updated.
This should work just fine with TWRP because it updates your other slot within Android, not in recovery.
After update, reboot phone, then reboot to TWRP and install Magisk!
I updated while being rooted and TWRP installed. Just download the update, then reflash twrp and root and everything works fine.
So if u want update your system but don't need TWRP you can just download OTA with system updater and install it.
If you want magisk don't reboot! Open magisk and press install and install to second slot. Then reboot. You will have an updated system with working magisk!
Kollachi said:
So if u want update your system but don't need TWRP you can just download OTA with system updater and install it.
If you want magisk don't reboot! Open magisk and press install and install to second slot. Then reboot. You will have an updated system with working magisk!
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So the only hitch to get an official incremental OTA update, is the root? Unlocked bootloader and TWRP installed doesn't cause any trouble?
If you just remove the root and then check for the update, evrything gonna be fine, am I right?
But how does it work this "slot a" "slot b"? What does it mean? After an update will your OP6 get 2 roms in the same time? The new and the previous? What happen after an update and the reboot? Have you to delete the old rom?
Thx for the patience...
zappomax said:
So the only hitch to get an official incremental OTA update, is the root? Unlocked bootloader and TWRP installed doesn't cause any trouble?
If you just remove the root and then check for the update, evrything gonna be fine, am I right?
But how does it work this "slot a" "slot b"? What does it mean? After an update will your OP6 get 2 roms in the same time? The new and the previous? What happen after an update and the reboot? Have you to delete the old rom?
Thx for the patience...
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I didn't even remove root. I can't explain you how this a and b is working. but what I know is, that every OTA is change the partition. And no u won't have 2 systems.
zappomax said:
So the only hitch to get an official incremental OTA update, is the root? Unlocked bootloader and TWRP installed doesn't cause any trouble?
If you just remove the root and then check for the update, evrything gonna be fine, am I right?
But how does it work this "slot a" "slot b"? What does it mean? After an update will your OP6 get 2 roms in the same time? The new and the previous? What happen after an update and the reboot? Have you to delete the old rom?
Thx for the patience...
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If your current system runs for example on slot "a" the update will be installed on slot "b "...the slot that you currently not using
Nick502 said:
It will download the update but it most probably will download the Full 1.4GB ZIP
Meaning it will install the full rom and not the small update package.
It will install normally to the other slot and after reboot you should be updated.
This should work just fine with TWRP because it updates your other slot within Android, not in recovery.
After update, reboot phone, then reboot to TWRP and install Magisk!
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So if I flash twrp now, then update OOS, only my root will be removed right which can be again flashed by twrp?
Harsh Keswani said:
So if I flash twrp now, then update OOS, only my root will be removed right which can be again flashed by twrp?
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Yes, I'm not sure if you will keep TWRP.
But you can always reinstall TWRP and then reflash Magisk
Nick502 said:
Yes, I'm not sure if you will keep TWRP.
But you can always reinstall TWRP and then reflash Magisk
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Thanks
Nick502 said:
Yes, I'm not sure if you will keep TWRP.
But you can always reinstall TWRP and then reflash Magisk
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One more thing, everytime I update, it's going to download the full ROM?
Harsh Keswani said:
One more thing, everytime I update, it's going to download the full ROM?
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If I'm not wrong, on a rooted device OTA installs a full rom. On a not-rooted phone OTA installs just the incremental update.
I only unlocked the bootloader to prepare for TRWP and root (So no TWRP and root yet) and it tells me it will download full update.
TaranQ said:
I only unlocked the bootloader to prepare for TRWP and root (So no TWRP and root yet) and it tells me it will download full update.
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I guess it recognizes the unlocked bootloader and then it always downloads and installs full update.
Why would you unlock your bootloader and then don't root :laugh:
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pdppdp said:
I guess it recognizes the unlocked bootloader and then it always downloads and installs full update.
Why would you unlock your bootloader and then don't root :laugh:
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Because I was not sure I wanted root again there are always apps that even with Magisk hide won't work.
But just to make sure I prepared by unlocking bootloader so if I decide to go for TWRP and root my data and storage won't get wiped which would mean starting all over again and losing app-data.
So, if I update from a ROM rooted with TWRP, will not the user data be deleted? Should we just root again and install the TWRP?
I had rooted 5.1.5 with TWRP and Magisk. I just downloaded the full package, copied it to phone storage. Then went to system update, update locally, picked the file and it ran the update.
However after reboot and update complete I lost TWRP and root. So I went to fastboot, booted the official TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img). Then flashed the official TWRP and Magisk for root, rebooted and all was good again.
I'm pretty sure there's an easier way of doing this but this worked for me.
marvel79 said:
I had rooted 5.1.5 with TWRP and Magisk. I just downloaded the full package, copied it to phone storage. Then went to system update, update locally, picked the file and it ran the update.
However after reboot and update complete I lost TWRP and root. So I went to fastboot, booted the official TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img). Then flashed the official TWRP and Magisk for root, rebooted and all was good again.
I'm pretty sure there's an easier way of doing this but this worked for me.
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In theory, with the Oxygen Updater application you can install the OTA and Magisk in 1 step.
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In theory, with the Oxygen Updater application you can install the OTA and Magisk in 1 step.
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Yeah probably but it has a lot of mixed reviews and this takes me 10 minutes more or so oh well. I'll rather do it like this It's not like we get a new update every week
maybe to help you all
me: 5.1.5, unlocked bootloader, unofficial TWRP from thread by wuxianlin, magisk 16.4
my procedure was to change to official twrp which can be done easily by
downloading the twrp installer from official site, put to internal storage
flash twrp official installer
still in recovery, select reboot: recovery
flash magisk
boot system
now download full 5.1.6 signed flashable zip
recovery: flash 5.1.6
reflash recovery
reboot recovery
flash magisk
boot system
now you have rooted 5.1.6 with official twrp and magisk, no wipe needed
Guys, i am unable to update to latest .161. I have unlocked bootloader, twrp and installed magisk.
Update manager download the update but it fails to update in twrp recovery.
Please suggest. I don't want to lose data.
Can someone provide zip update package so that i can update in twrp??
You have to remove majisk
Relock boot
Then you will receive official update
Then unlock and reinstall majisk
br54 said:
You have to remove majisk
Relock boot
Then you will receive official update
Then unlock and reinstall majisk
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Since when do you need to relock to install updates?
br54 said:
You have to remove majisk
Relock boot
Then you will receive official update
Then unlock and reinstall majisk
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freeza said:
Since when do you need to relock to install updates?
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There is no need to relock.
I didnt whe 110 came out and it still updated... rooted with Magisk as well
@any_thing
Check the ROMs/Kernels/Recoveries section, there's a modified stock recovery that allows for updating w/o relocking the Bootloader.*
Once complete, put TWRP back & root, you will not lose any data/apps/etc...... as you would by simply relocking your Bootloader....
* YMMV,this modified recovery may not be compatible w/your model.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ho.../recovery-bkl-nocheck-recovery-flash-t3778085
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
Good luck then.... Personally I don't care.. Mine works fine
any_thing said:
Guys, i am unable to update to latest .161. I have unlocked bootloader, twrp and installed magisk.
Update manager download the update but it fails to update in twrp recovery.
Please suggest. I don't want to lose data.
Can someone provide zip update package so that i can update in twrp??
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I have the BKL-L04 model & got an update notice earlier today:
While on stock rooted with TWRP & Magisk,the update downloaded & attempted to install,but,it failed.
So,just flash the stock recovery for your model & take the update w/o relocking your bootloader.
You will not lose any data from switching recoveries,at least on this phone.
(If you want to unroot 1st,that's fine,but,not necessary,flashing the modified stock recovery image unroots your phone anyway.)
After taking the update,flash the TWRP & Magisk (& Magisk Manager App,if it disappeared) as you did previously.
Just posting what worked for me,& in no way are my experiences/usage intended to contradict posts/suggestions from others,especially if they have the exact same model of phone as yours.
Hope this helps. :good:
any_thing said:
Guys, i am unable to update to latest .161. I have unlocked bootloader, twrp and installed magisk.
Update manager download the update but it fails to update in twrp recovery.
Please suggest. I don't want to lose data.
Can someone provide zip update package so that i can update in twrp??
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Just install stock ram disk...
It would automatically remove twrp and root.. And u will b able to install update once updated just reflash twrp ram disk and install magisk zip to get root back..
That's how I did it on c675
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Just install stock ram disk...
It would automatically remove twrp and root.. And u will b able to install update once updated just reflash twrp ram disk and install magisk zip to get root back..
That's how I did it on c675
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will i lose my data?
any_thing said:
will i lose my data?
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No not at all... Ramdisk is a different partation
I had rooted phone with magisk installed, I received 2 updates like that - automatically lost root privileges, but I didn't receive .161 update (EIS update still not available for me?) any way to get this update?
PS my bootloader is unlocked... do I need lock it to get an update? and how to lock it?
Hello, will it be possible to return from custom firmware to the original one and continue to receive OTA update ?
Uxlewl said:
Hello, will it be possible to return from custom firmware to the original one and continue to receive OTA update ?
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Yes, if you used TWRP to create a backup of your stock ROM before you flashed a custom ROM, you just use TWRP to restore the backup of stock ROM.
Or, if you didn't use TWRP to backup your stock ROM, you can flash your device's stock firmware using the flashtool designed to be used with devices made by your device's manufacturer.
But to install TWRP you need Root, and if you get it, then OTA updates stop coming or am I wrong?
Uxlewl said:
But to install TWRP you need Root, and if you get it, then OTA updates stop coming or am I wrong?
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No, installing TWRP does not require root. Yes, TWRP and root prevent the installation of OTA updates.
That is, to make a backup copy of the original firmware, you need TWRP, but if you install it, you lose the ability to receive OTA updates, and if you restore the original after the custom firmware, there will be no updates? Or can TWRP be removed and OTA updates will come again? I'm sorry I do not understand.
Uxlewl said:
That is, to make a backup copy of the original firmware, you need TWRP, but if you install it, you lose the ability to receive OTA updates, and if you restore the original after the custom firmware, there will be no updates? Or can TWRP be removed and OTA updates will come again? I'm sorry I do not understand.
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To be more specific, installing TWRP does not necessarily prevent a device from actually receiving/downloading OTA updates, it prevents the actual installation of OTA updates because part of the OTA update includes automatically booting into stock recovery to apply the update. If you have TWRP installed, the OTA update can possibly be downloaded to the device but when the device automatically tries to reboot into recovery, it is trying to boot into stock recovery but if you have TWRP installed, it can't boot into stock recovery to apply the update and when it tries to boot into TWRP, it will try to apply the update but it will fail, resulting in a bricked device and the device will have to be restored.
When it comes to OTA updates, all that is required is an unmodified stock system partition(meaning, no root or any other kind of modifications to the system partition), stock recovery(meaning, no TWRP) and the update has to be offered by your carrier if they offer the update for your specific device.
If a device is rooted, has other system modifications and/or has TWRP installed and you want to apply a stock OTA update, you have to remove root and any other system modifications and you must replace TWRP with the original stock recovery before you can apply the update. If you have TWRP and or root and you remove them to apply an OTA update, you can root the device again and install TWRP again after the update, provided that the OTA does not come with a locked bootloader that can not be unlocked, in this case, you will not be able to reinstall TWRP or root because the bootloader will be locked, which prevents you from installing TWRP again. Sometimes, users remove root and TWRP to apply OTA updates with the intention of rooting and/or installing TWRP again after the update but then get stuck in a position where they can no longer root the device or install TWRP because the bootloader gets locked during the update and there is no way to unlock the newly updated bootloader, from then on, they are stuck with stock with no way to get root, TWRP and custom ROMs reapplied to the device because they were not aware that the update came with a locked bootloader that can not be unlocked by any means.