hdr on android 9 working ? - Sony Xperia XZ Premium Questions & Answers

i tried hdr on or off while in manual settings on the new photo app of android 9 but i see no difference, did i miss something or is it just disabled by sony on xz premium to force us to buy a new phone if we want hdr photo ? is there a hdr in video mode ? i also see no difference bewteen a 4k video on android8 and and android 9 (but there is no hdr toggle for video in android 9 so it does not seem available on xz premium ( by hdr video i mean raising the shadows and providing details in the highlights such as the sky and not the other hdr type that requires a hdr monitor)

amanieux said:
i tried hdr on or off while in manual settings on the new photo app of android 9 but i see no difference, did i miss something or is it just disabled by sony on xz premium to force us to buy a new phone if we want hdr photo ? is there a hdr in video mode ? i also see no difference bewteen a 4k video on android8 and and android 9 (but there is no hdr toggle for video in android 9 so it does not seem available on xz premium ( by hdr video i mean raising the shadows and providing details in the highlights such as the sky and not the other hdr type that requires a hdr monitor)
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you mean video image enhancement?

madshark2009 said:
you mean video image enhancement?
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i mean hdr that shows details in the shadows and in the highlights such as the clouds in the sky (as seen in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )

amanieux said:
i mean hdr that shows details in the shadows and in the highlights such as the clouds in the sky (as seen in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )
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oh i understand now, HDR for videos is not available on XZP its not a software thing, our device simply doesnt support HDR video recording.
as for photos, I dont notice a difference mostly, but I think auto includes auto HDR because also on oreo i didnt notice a difference unless its in outdoors with a lot of trees and colorful environment there could be a slight difference noticed

madshark2009 said:
oh i understand now, HDR for videos is not available on XZP its not a software thing, our device simply doesnt support HDR video recording.
difference noticed
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the snapdragon 835 can do hdr video capture( https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-835-mobile-platform ) and the camera sensor is the same on xzp and xzp2 so it is just sony disabling features in older phones to force you to buy their latest phone. UPDATE : it seems the image pipeline was redone for xz2 premium so we are out of luck with our "old" xz premium if we want hdr video.

The XZ Premium can't record HDR Videos (4K)
But we got SDR TO HDR Conversion. It's the "new" video image enchantment. Sony support confirmed it on Twitter DMs. As the name says, it works on video and it can work on a few apps that they don't mention which.

Lazaros_K said:
The XZ Premium can't record HDR Videos (4K)
But we got SDR TO HDR Conversion. It's the "new" video image enchantment. Sony support confirmed it on Twitter DMs. As the name says, it works on video and it can work on a few apps that they don't mention which.
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do you have a reference article speaking about that ?

amanieux said:
do you have a reference article speaking about that ?
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I have tried it and so can you, I can confirm, here is how I tested:
watched the video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTvrXLfheI&t=49s
was very very crisp and detailed but the video isnt HDR, so I gave it a shot and downloaded the video with 4k youtube downloader app on my PC and placed the video on my device, then watched it there, total different story mate!! I am so happy! I started flipping between recent's app going to youtube and back to the video app (or photo they both support it) while I was watching the same video on both, and I was shocked to see that its ALOT more colorful and dynamic in the video app than on youtube (set on 4k on youtube).
I was skeptical about it but now that I tried, I can confirm with full confidence that we have SDR to HDR!
try it your self and let me know if you notice it too

madshark2009 said:
I have tried it and so can you, I can confirm, here is how I tested:
watched the video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTvrXLfheI&t=49s
was very very crisp and detailed but the video isnt HDR, so I gave it a shot and downloaded the video with 4k youtube downloader app on my PC and placed the video on my device, then watched it there, total different story mate!! I am so happy! I started flipping between recent's app going to youtube and back to the video app (or photo they both support it) while I was watching the same video on both, and I was shocked to see that its ALOT more colorful and dynamic in the video app than on youtube (set on 4k on youtube).
I was skeptical about it but now that I tried, I can confirm with full confidence that we have SDR to HDR!
try it your self and let me know if you notice it too
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you are talking about hdr video playback, i am speaking about hdr video capture (but again not in a hdr video codec, just raising details in the shadows and the highlights by combining multiple exposures in a non hdr video codec, exactly what is done in hdr photo and like what you see here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )

XZ Premium uses BionzX for camera , and it does not support HDR recording. On XZ2 and on camera uses Qualcomm ISP for camera processing.

RyuzakiTA said:
XZ Premium uses BionzX for camera , and it does not support HDR recording. On XZ2 and on camera uses Qualcomm ISP for camera processing.
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thanks for the info, i don't get why is hdr video available on older phones like the z2 but not xz premium https://support.sonymobile.com/ae-en/xperiaz2/userguide/video-camera-settings/#gref

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4K Dislpay?

Hey I wanna know that Sony's doing the same thing like they did with Z5 Premium?
Like this is 1080p by default but only when you open in gallery and maybe amazon prime video app triggers the 4K?
I remember Erika Griffin mentioned that you can change the resolution but another YouTuber said it's 1080p by default.
Erica's video (Watch at 3m4s)
Mathew's video (Watch at 2m17s)
I think you can toggle it manually, pretty sure I've understood that and it only makes sense.
Not that you should want it to run in 4k all day but for vr or something and actual 4k content.
x10Mark said:
I think you can toggle it manually, pretty sure I've understood that and it only makes sense.
Not that you should want it to run in 4k all day but for vr or something and actual 4k content.
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i want 4k in games ! is it not possible to render games in higher resulution ?
My understanding that the default to 1080P is a Android N default to save battery life, you can set it to 4K under display in system settings
chesterr said:
Hey I wanna know that Sony's doing the same thing like they did with Z5 Premium?
Like this is 1080p by default but only when you open in gallery and maybe amazon prime video app triggers the 4K?
I remember Erika Griffin mentioned that you can change the resolution but another YouTuber said it's 1080p by default.
Erica's video (Watch at 3m4s)
?t=3m4s
Mathew's video (Watch at 2m17s)
?t=2m17s
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You can change the resolution in the settings menu and if you choose 4K, all the contents will be shown in 4K, same thing with 1080P and 2K.
Alex2483 said:
You can change the resolution in the settings menu and if you choose 4K, all the contents will be shown in 4K, same thing with 1080P and 2K.
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Are you sure? I am waiting someone to confirm it. Someone who had the phone and used it.
chesterr said:
Are you sure? I am waiting someone to confirm it. Someone who had the phone and used it.
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Well I'm sure at 100% but if you want to wait soneone that have the phone, you must wait until June
Sadly
"Fingerprint recognition not available in the US
Defaults to FullHD screen resolution for anything other than native 4K content
Battery capacity is not stellar"
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz_premium-review-1610.php
AGGevorgyan said:
Sadly
"Fingerprint recognition not available in the US
Defaults to FullHD screen resolution for anything other than native 4K content
Battery capacity is not stellar"
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz_premium-review-1610.php
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Are you sure these guys even checked? Kinda sucks if it doesn't. I mean its something that really isn't needed. I owned the z5 premium and had it emulate 4k all the time with a kernel and then in the end just went back to stock but it its also something reviewers would target as an issue
I hope there will be simple hack to enable such a feature. This will be needed for example when you want to watch VR video with cardboard using custom app, even if content will be 4k by default app will not enable it.
Yea you can enable it to 2K 4K with abd. I just wanted to see if Sony had implemented to change the display res under the settings, Guess they did NOT.
Youtube now supports 4K resolution for the XZ Premium. That's what i like most!
https://youtu.be/Zdmc75gFx2A?t=17m25s
Katsigaros said:
Youtube now supports 4K resolution for the XZ Premium. That's what i like most!
https://youtu.be/Zdmc75gFx2A?t=17m25s
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Yea bro I saw this too awesome
I got another video confirming that youtube supports 4K option, which is nice.
No.
Nothing in Displaysettings - to switch the Resolution to 4k
Bad
Galaxy S8 has a switch Option between 1080 and 2k .......
Davimas said:
No.
Nothing in Displaysettings - to switch the Resolution to 4k
Bad
Galaxy S8 has a switch Option between 1080 and 2k .......
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You can try this method when you get the phone.
Plus I saw it in a video that Sony mentioned that they may include an option to change the resolution in future update. I think they should but I would just use it in 2K once I get the device.
yes i knew this adb trick from the old sony xperia 4k Handy, i make it so bevor i sell it, but this was not a good option, the apps/players for the VR 360 movies working bad, to small on the Display........you would not happy with this Settings
then Sony make a new 4K Handy, and what? Same fuc....k
4K only works in Sony Photo App and Sony Videoplayer........but this can not play 360 or 180 Videos corretly with motion, only still.
Techradar says:
"You won’t find a sharper screen on another smartphone, and unlike its 4K-toting predecessor you actually get the full resolution all the time. The Z5 Premium would only deliver the full 4K experience when you were watching video of the same resolution, whereas on the new Xperia XZ Premium it’s 3840 x 2160 all the way – from the home screen and browser to the app store and your social media profiles."
I think it is a mistake from Techradar, but what do you think, can it be true?
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/sony-xperia-xz-premium-review
Alex2483 said:
Well I'm sure at 100% but if you want to wait soneone that have the phone, you must wait until June
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There is no option to change the resolution
fiarfox888 said:
i want 4k in games ! is it not possible to render games in higher resulution ?
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You won't get higher resolution graphics in any game by changing the resolution to 4k. All you will do is zoom out really far making things really hard to see and the ui will be tiny. It would only be worth it in games that use proper scaling and there aren't many aaa games on Android that might do it. Buy a 4k phone for videos and photos. Don't expect people to quadruple their graphics production workload for such a niche gaming market.
AJHutchinson said:
There is no option to change the resolution
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if you check mods section of the XZ Premium forum, you will find a ''trick'' (by ADB) to change the resolution to native 4K, with this method everything will be displayed in native 4K resolution (really appreciate this mod), hope I helped !

60 fps camera preview

Hello, has anyone tried to enable 60 fps preview?
I did not.
Did you talk about FullHD 60ips?
SilverGamer_YT said:
Did you talk about FullHD 60ips?
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No, no, no, I am talking about VIDEO PREVIEW.
Our camera has 30fps on all modes, I want to enable 60fps on all modes including where taking photos
it's the Preview
s9+ has it enabled
Inerent said:
No, no, no, I am talking about VIDEO PREVIEW.
Our camera has 30fps on all modes, I want to enable 60fps on all modes including where taking photos
it's the Preview
s9+ has it enabled
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Idk about witch thing are you talking about can you pls show me?
I am talking about Camera preview. The thing you see before taking photo or video is in 30fps. Also while recording in fulhd 60fps also you see it in 30fps. Later when playing in album you see it in 60fps
I fell like yes the camera is in 60fps in the preview
No way!
What use does it have. It only loads the CPU and GPU with tons of
unnecessary hassle...

does video capturing support HDR??

I was just browsing through GSM arena and found the XZP so I decided to give it a glance and I saw under video it states that there is HDR support.
I cant seem to find how to enable that option in my camera video settings I dont know what does GSM arena mean by HDR under video features...
does any one care to share a possible explanation?
thanks
madshark2009 said:
I was just browsing through GSM arena and found the XZP so I decided to give it a glance and I saw under video it states that there is HDR support.
I cant seem to find how to enable that option in my camera video settings I dont know what does GSM arena mean by HDR under video features...
does any one care to share a possible explanation?
thanks
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There is NO HRD video capturing on XZP, I used this phone for a year now!
duongcuong96 said:
There is NO HRD video capturing on XZP, I used this phone for a year now!
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https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz_premium-8593.php
see in main camera section, in video features it states HDR, what does that mean?
I see you can only enable it in the manual mode
madshark2009 said:
see in main camera section, in video features it states HDR, what does that mean?
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that info is totally wrong, you can only enable HDR in photo mode
The video recording is HDR, but not 10bit HDR as the XZ2
There is 2 types of HDR:
The "old" HDR, wich was made to record video in backlight conditions, being able to record with diferent exposition values avoiding white sky and dark subjects, the same as you know as HDR in photos, so the video is recorded in traditional 8bit colour range but with backlight correction
The "new" HDR, wich in addition to the old HDR also brings the 10bit recording, wich is able to improve colour and the brightness values without "burning" the image (when you take a picture and the sky looks white because it was too bright)
The old HDR was introduced by the Xperia Z, years ago, since then most smartphones record HDR video (actually HDR video was introduced before HDR photos in smartphones due for HDR photos you need multiple photos, and video is multiple images so it can make HDR easier)
You can check the HDR video was introduced with Xperia Z here:
So all Xperias since then record HDR video, when you see the Backlight icon when recording you know the phone is recording in backlight situation and uses HDR to improve the image, but its not the HDR10 or 10bit of the Xperia XZ2
If you want to know if the Xperia XZ premium could record in 10bit the answer is probably since the XZ2 uses de same camera sensor, but since is the XZ2 reason to exist, I dont think Sony will bring to XZ Premium, but who knows, actually they bring the 3D mode from XZ1 so...
On my Xperia Z2 I am able to capture video recordings at 4K HDR. Something that the XZ2 can do but not our beloved XZ Premium. They have ideas to make the mod for our device and detail the real capabilities of the camera. Just not sure when that will happen but it sounds like a possibility. Because of this mod I feel at times my Z2 takes better photos and videos than my XZ Premium.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271
Capabilities of this mod with XZ Premium:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...mes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271/page477
Kilek_360 said:
The video recording is HDR, but not 10bit HDR as the XZ2
There is 2 types of HDR:
The "old" HDR, wich was made to record video in backlight conditions, being able to record with diferent exposition values avoiding white sky and dark subjects, the same as you know as HDR in photos, so the video is recorded in traditional 8bit colour range but with backlight correction
The "new" HDR, wich in addition to the old HDR also brings the 10bit recording, wich is able to improve colour and the brightness values without "burning" the image (when you take a picture and the sky looks white because it was too bright)
The old HDR was introduced by the Xperia Z, years ago, since then most smartphones record HDR video (actually HDR video was introduced before HDR photos in smartphones due for HDR photos you need multiple photos, and video is multiple images so it can make HDR easier)
You can check the HDR video was introduced with Xperia Z here:
So all Xperias since then record HDR video, when you see the Backlight icon when recording you know the phone is recording in backlight situation and uses HDR to improve the image, but its not the HDR10 or 10bit of the Xperia XZ2
If you want to know if the Xperia XZ premium could record in 10bit the answer is probably since the XZ2 uses de same camera sensor, but since is the XZ2 reason to exist, I dont think Sony will bring to XZ Premium, but who knows, actually they bring the 3D mode from XZ1 so...
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my xz premium with pie update does not support the "old" hdr in video (it only support for hdr in photo) or am i missing something ?
amanieux said:
my xz premium with pie update does not support the "old" hdr in video (it only support for hdr in photo) or am i missing something ?
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When recording in 1080/30 with automatic mode sometimes it shows a "backlight" icon or "Backlight portrait", then is using HDR to correct the backlight over the subject

How to record videos with 60fps on Xiaomi mi note3?

I have installed Google camera and it works well, especially taking photos with long exposure at night, really amazing
But i find it sucks when i switch to recording modeAlthough it offers 60fps, the quality of the video is really bad and not 60fps at all. You can easily tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. And I have tried snapdragon camara, failed too, the same effect as google camera.
So, is there anyone who can enable that feature:highfive:
Thanks in advance
Open Camera.
Cuescorro said:
Open Camera.
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No joking
Open Camera is an app and allows recording at 60 fps.
i wonder which gcam version did you installed? because mine cannot even record video, its crashed

why cant we record HDR videos?

hi, if a camera is capable of taking HDR photos, why cant it record HDR videos?
is it a software thing or hardware? can any one care to provide an answer?
thanks
the phone actually takes HDR video, but there is two tipes of HDR
Almost every phone can take hdr videos since it ws introduced by the first Xperia Z, even before HDR photos, since HDR photos needs to combine 2 or more pictures, and video is actually a combination of pictures, so HDR video was in smartphones before HDR photos
at that time, HDR was only about exposure values, in photoa still the same, in Xperia XZ Premium you can know when its using HDR video when the auto mode changes to "backgroung light" or something like that, wich means the phone is underexposing the background and overexposing the subject to avoid burned areas in background or dark subject, same as in HDR photos
But in video HDR means two things: more than one exposure value, the same as in photos, or 10 (or more) bit image
videos are usually taken at 8bit colour depth
the HDR10 videos, wich is the HDR you see in Xperia XZ2, captures video at 10bit colour depth, wich means a bit more colour and light range
So it has nothing to do the ability to capture HDR photos with HDR10 video, and the phone can take HDR video but not 10bit HDR video
Also there is no other phone wich can capture 10bit HDR video than Xperia XZ2 series, and almost every phone can capture standar HDR photos and video
Yes, no other phone that can do 4k hdr 10 bit, only sony ???
In fact, my phone can do either 4k 60fps, either 4k hdr 10:good:
Also, before I switched to another phone, I have compared it against xz2 premium and xz3 in photo quality and the results were: sony is garbage!
Didn't want to write this, as some moderator closed my thread "it s time for me to move on", but... but.. Stop this nonsense as sony is the only one...?
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P. S. These days I will upload some photos for comparison against xz premium... The results are night and day...
Kilek_360 said:
the phone actually takes HDR video, but there is two tipes of HDR
Almost every phone can take hdr videos since it ws introduced by the first Xperia Z, even before HDR photos, since HDR photos needs to combine 2 or more pictures, and video is actually a combination of pictures, so HDR video was in smartphones before HDR photos
at that time, HDR was only about exposure values, in photoa still the same, in Xperia XZ Premium you can know when its using HDR video when the auto mode changes to "backgroung light" or something like that, wich means the phone is underexposing the background and overexposing the subject to avoid burned areas in background or dark subject, same as in HDR photos
But in video HDR means two things: more than one exposure value, the same as in photos, or 10 (or more) bit image
videos are usually taken at 8bit colour depth
the HDR10 videos, wich is the HDR you see in Xperia XZ2, captures video at 10bit colour depth, wich means a bit more colour and light range
So it has nothing to do the ability to capture HDR photos with HDR10 video, and the phone can take HDR video but not 10bit HDR video
Also there is no other phone wich can capture 10bit HDR video than Xperia XZ2 series, and almost every phone can capture standar HDR photos and video
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so youre saying that my phone captures HDR videos? like thats a normal thing, but the real HDR that im talking about isnt supported (HDR10)
madshark2009 said:
so youre saying that my phone captures HDR videos? like thats a normal thing, but the real HDR that im talking about isnt supported (HDR10)
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Yeah, it takes HDR video but the "old basic" HDR which takes different exposure values, not the 10bit HDR wich takes wide colour gamut
Kilek_360 said:
Yeah, it takes HDR video but the "old basic" HDR which takes different exposure values, not the 10bit HDR wich takes wide colour gamut
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cool thanks for the explanation mate
Inerent said:
Yes, no other phone that can do 4k hdr 10 bit, only sony
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You can record in 4kHDR, but can you view it in the phone itself in 4kHDR?

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