hi, if a camera is capable of taking HDR photos, why cant it record HDR videos?
is it a software thing or hardware? can any one care to provide an answer?
thanks
the phone actually takes HDR video, but there is two tipes of HDR
Almost every phone can take hdr videos since it ws introduced by the first Xperia Z, even before HDR photos, since HDR photos needs to combine 2 or more pictures, and video is actually a combination of pictures, so HDR video was in smartphones before HDR photos
at that time, HDR was only about exposure values, in photoa still the same, in Xperia XZ Premium you can know when its using HDR video when the auto mode changes to "backgroung light" or something like that, wich means the phone is underexposing the background and overexposing the subject to avoid burned areas in background or dark subject, same as in HDR photos
But in video HDR means two things: more than one exposure value, the same as in photos, or 10 (or more) bit image
videos are usually taken at 8bit colour depth
the HDR10 videos, wich is the HDR you see in Xperia XZ2, captures video at 10bit colour depth, wich means a bit more colour and light range
So it has nothing to do the ability to capture HDR photos with HDR10 video, and the phone can take HDR video but not 10bit HDR video
Also there is no other phone wich can capture 10bit HDR video than Xperia XZ2 series, and almost every phone can capture standar HDR photos and video
Yes, no other phone that can do 4k hdr 10 bit, only sony ???
In fact, my phone can do either 4k 60fps, either 4k hdr 10:good:
Also, before I switched to another phone, I have compared it against xz2 premium and xz3 in photo quality and the results were: sony is garbage!
Didn't want to write this, as some moderator closed my thread "it s time for me to move on", but... but.. Stop this nonsense as sony is the only one...?
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P. S. These days I will upload some photos for comparison against xz premium... The results are night and day...
Kilek_360 said:
the phone actually takes HDR video, but there is two tipes of HDR
Almost every phone can take hdr videos since it ws introduced by the first Xperia Z, even before HDR photos, since HDR photos needs to combine 2 or more pictures, and video is actually a combination of pictures, so HDR video was in smartphones before HDR photos
at that time, HDR was only about exposure values, in photoa still the same, in Xperia XZ Premium you can know when its using HDR video when the auto mode changes to "backgroung light" or something like that, wich means the phone is underexposing the background and overexposing the subject to avoid burned areas in background or dark subject, same as in HDR photos
But in video HDR means two things: more than one exposure value, the same as in photos, or 10 (or more) bit image
videos are usually taken at 8bit colour depth
the HDR10 videos, wich is the HDR you see in Xperia XZ2, captures video at 10bit colour depth, wich means a bit more colour and light range
So it has nothing to do the ability to capture HDR photos with HDR10 video, and the phone can take HDR video but not 10bit HDR video
Also there is no other phone wich can capture 10bit HDR video than Xperia XZ2 series, and almost every phone can capture standar HDR photos and video
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so youre saying that my phone captures HDR videos? like thats a normal thing, but the real HDR that im talking about isnt supported (HDR10)
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so youre saying that my phone captures HDR videos? like thats a normal thing, but the real HDR that im talking about isnt supported (HDR10)
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Yeah, it takes HDR video but the "old basic" HDR which takes different exposure values, not the 10bit HDR wich takes wide colour gamut
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Yeah, it takes HDR video but the "old basic" HDR which takes different exposure values, not the 10bit HDR wich takes wide colour gamut
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cool thanks for the explanation mate
Inerent said:
Yes, no other phone that can do 4k hdr 10 bit, only sony
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You can record in 4kHDR, but can you view it in the phone itself in 4kHDR?
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Hi,
I saw in Z5 Premium page that there is a new feature which allows you to take still images from 4K videos. As its just software, any possibility that every Z phone will get that feature or we need someone to extract his apk? Can be seen in official phone page in freeze the action part, can't post links.
I think our z3 can do it right out of the box? If you mean taking photos while recording 4K.
I meant there is new feature allowing you to take 8MP photo from previously recorded 4K video.
I have a few questions as I am considering upgrading from Z5 to XZ Premium.
1. Is 4K mode still distinct from other video modes? I recall reading somewhere that the XZ1 has 4k mode part of the canera app now but not sure if it was XZ1 or XZP. Also, are you able to tap and lock focus in 4K or any other mode? On the Z5, I can't tap-focus in 4K mode
2. Can video white balance be made constant? I've seen many videos of the XZ Premium and XZ1 where the white balance shifts in tone when the camera pans in different lighting conditions. The Z5 has this same problem and you can only adjust the colour tint but it will still automatically shift around. This is extremely annoying of you want to take serious video since white balance should not be set "auto", and other Android smartphones are able to have a constant white balance seting. I am only able to change video white balance in the 4K app. If not, is there a third-party app that is able to do this?
3. How reliable is the predictive burst capture of the XZP? Is there times when it does not trigger properly? From what I've read there's still no real burst mode on the XZP but hopefully Android Oreo will bring the XZ1's new burst function to the XZP. However I'm not banking on it because of how Sony treated the Z5 series (practically no updates to the camera despite software updates to 6.0, 7.0, 7.1 etc.)
4. Does touch capture focus on the tapped spot before it captures the image? After updating to 7.0 on the Z5 they made it so that touch capture just triggers the middle part of the image to be focused!
predictive capture is close to worthless on the xz p since its auto only. I can rarely get it to trigger when I want (trying to take pictures of kids).
4k mode is separate from the standard video mode on it.
Touch capture is focusing and then taking a photo where it is touched.
will have to look into the white balance
Are you able to touch focus or manual focus in video? It is frustrating that the camera hunts focus when filming something like fireworks, when other cameras have manual focus for video.
in 1080p it appears to track focus on what you tap, in 4k it is doing nothing when tapping.
well that's really disappointing. Did you take a look at the white balance settings for video yet?
There is no white balance settings in 1080p video, only in 4K.
Mine is doing great specially in capturing moving subjects no blur at all.
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Mangtas_666 said:
Mine is doing great specially in capturing moving subjects no blur at all.
Sent from my G8142 using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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got some tips? getting my kids to be not blurry is def hit or miss. predictive captures almost never goes off.
admad said:
There is no white balance settings in 1080p video, only in 4K.
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thanks, now that's really disappointing. For the XZ1 they are merging the 4K modes but I'm concerned that means they will take away white balance altogether. Is there any third-party app that allows for manual white balance of video?
Good day everyone,
Like you all know, one of the main features of the XZ Premium is the 4K HDR screen, and if used to watch 4K HDR content like i do most often, you'll notice the phone will switch to HDR mode every time you play an HDR video,
You can check out for yourselfs right now, all you need to do is just split the screen and open an HDR video you'll see the screen colours will change like never seen before.
So I want to know how to control switching between SDR and HDR modes manually.
Abdullah Zahawy said:
Good day everyone,
Like you all know, one of the main features of the XZ Premium is the 4K HDR screen, and if used to watch 4K HDR content like i do most often, you'll notice the phone will switch to HDR mode every time you play an HDR video,
You can check out for yourselfs right now, all you need to do is just split the screen and open an HDR video you'll see the screen colours will change like never seen before.
So I want to know how to control switching between SDR and HDR modes manually.
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You need HDR content to see HDR colors HDR is always on but you need HDR content for it.
No, it's always off, it became on only when you play HDR video.
Blackghosthm said:
You need HDR content to see HDR colors HDR is always on but you need HDR content for it.
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If i play hdr video on youtube does it support it?
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If i play hdr video on youtube does it support it?
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Of course but just in case you use a unpatched aosp it doesn't on.
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No, it's always off, it became on only when you play HDR video.
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Man those words I written means you need HDR video or image because without HDR content you can't see those colors by other means it on but but because it doesn't use until you viewing a HDR content you can't see different (that's means it doesn't matter it off or not until you viewinh HDR content and we the difference)
I was just browsing through GSM arena and found the XZP so I decided to give it a glance and I saw under video it states that there is HDR support.
I cant seem to find how to enable that option in my camera video settings I dont know what does GSM arena mean by HDR under video features...
does any one care to share a possible explanation?
thanks
madshark2009 said:
I was just browsing through GSM arena and found the XZP so I decided to give it a glance and I saw under video it states that there is HDR support.
I cant seem to find how to enable that option in my camera video settings I dont know what does GSM arena mean by HDR under video features...
does any one care to share a possible explanation?
thanks
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There is NO HRD video capturing on XZP, I used this phone for a year now!
duongcuong96 said:
There is NO HRD video capturing on XZP, I used this phone for a year now!
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https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz_premium-8593.php
see in main camera section, in video features it states HDR, what does that mean?
I see you can only enable it in the manual mode
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see in main camera section, in video features it states HDR, what does that mean?
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that info is totally wrong, you can only enable HDR in photo mode
The video recording is HDR, but not 10bit HDR as the XZ2
There is 2 types of HDR:
The "old" HDR, wich was made to record video in backlight conditions, being able to record with diferent exposition values avoiding white sky and dark subjects, the same as you know as HDR in photos, so the video is recorded in traditional 8bit colour range but with backlight correction
The "new" HDR, wich in addition to the old HDR also brings the 10bit recording, wich is able to improve colour and the brightness values without "burning" the image (when you take a picture and the sky looks white because it was too bright)
The old HDR was introduced by the Xperia Z, years ago, since then most smartphones record HDR video (actually HDR video was introduced before HDR photos in smartphones due for HDR photos you need multiple photos, and video is multiple images so it can make HDR easier)
You can check the HDR video was introduced with Xperia Z here:
So all Xperias since then record HDR video, when you see the Backlight icon when recording you know the phone is recording in backlight situation and uses HDR to improve the image, but its not the HDR10 or 10bit of the Xperia XZ2
If you want to know if the Xperia XZ premium could record in 10bit the answer is probably since the XZ2 uses de same camera sensor, but since is the XZ2 reason to exist, I dont think Sony will bring to XZ Premium, but who knows, actually they bring the 3D mode from XZ1 so...
On my Xperia Z2 I am able to capture video recordings at 4K HDR. Something that the XZ2 can do but not our beloved XZ Premium. They have ideas to make the mod for our device and detail the real capabilities of the camera. Just not sure when that will happen but it sounds like a possibility. Because of this mod I feel at times my Z2 takes better photos and videos than my XZ Premium.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271
Capabilities of this mod with XZ Premium:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...mes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271/page477
Kilek_360 said:
The video recording is HDR, but not 10bit HDR as the XZ2
There is 2 types of HDR:
The "old" HDR, wich was made to record video in backlight conditions, being able to record with diferent exposition values avoiding white sky and dark subjects, the same as you know as HDR in photos, so the video is recorded in traditional 8bit colour range but with backlight correction
The "new" HDR, wich in addition to the old HDR also brings the 10bit recording, wich is able to improve colour and the brightness values without "burning" the image (when you take a picture and the sky looks white because it was too bright)
The old HDR was introduced by the Xperia Z, years ago, since then most smartphones record HDR video (actually HDR video was introduced before HDR photos in smartphones due for HDR photos you need multiple photos, and video is multiple images so it can make HDR easier)
You can check the HDR video was introduced with Xperia Z here:
So all Xperias since then record HDR video, when you see the Backlight icon when recording you know the phone is recording in backlight situation and uses HDR to improve the image, but its not the HDR10 or 10bit of the Xperia XZ2
If you want to know if the Xperia XZ premium could record in 10bit the answer is probably since the XZ2 uses de same camera sensor, but since is the XZ2 reason to exist, I dont think Sony will bring to XZ Premium, but who knows, actually they bring the 3D mode from XZ1 so...
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my xz premium with pie update does not support the "old" hdr in video (it only support for hdr in photo) or am i missing something ?
amanieux said:
my xz premium with pie update does not support the "old" hdr in video (it only support for hdr in photo) or am i missing something ?
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When recording in 1080/30 with automatic mode sometimes it shows a "backlight" icon or "Backlight portrait", then is using HDR to correct the backlight over the subject
i tried hdr on or off while in manual settings on the new photo app of android 9 but i see no difference, did i miss something or is it just disabled by sony on xz premium to force us to buy a new phone if we want hdr photo ? is there a hdr in video mode ? i also see no difference bewteen a 4k video on android8 and and android 9 (but there is no hdr toggle for video in android 9 so it does not seem available on xz premium ( by hdr video i mean raising the shadows and providing details in the highlights such as the sky and not the other hdr type that requires a hdr monitor)
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i tried hdr on or off while in manual settings on the new photo app of android 9 but i see no difference, did i miss something or is it just disabled by sony on xz premium to force us to buy a new phone if we want hdr photo ? is there a hdr in video mode ? i also see no difference bewteen a 4k video on android8 and and android 9 (but there is no hdr toggle for video in android 9 so it does not seem available on xz premium ( by hdr video i mean raising the shadows and providing details in the highlights such as the sky and not the other hdr type that requires a hdr monitor)
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you mean video image enhancement?
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you mean video image enhancement?
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i mean hdr that shows details in the shadows and in the highlights such as the clouds in the sky (as seen in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )
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i mean hdr that shows details in the shadows and in the highlights such as the clouds in the sky (as seen in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )
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oh i understand now, HDR for videos is not available on XZP its not a software thing, our device simply doesnt support HDR video recording.
as for photos, I dont notice a difference mostly, but I think auto includes auto HDR because also on oreo i didnt notice a difference unless its in outdoors with a lot of trees and colorful environment there could be a slight difference noticed
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oh i understand now, HDR for videos is not available on XZP its not a software thing, our device simply doesnt support HDR video recording.
difference noticed
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the snapdragon 835 can do hdr video capture( https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-835-mobile-platform ) and the camera sensor is the same on xzp and xzp2 so it is just sony disabling features in older phones to force you to buy their latest phone. UPDATE : it seems the image pipeline was redone for xz2 premium so we are out of luck with our "old" xz premium if we want hdr video.
The XZ Premium can't record HDR Videos (4K)
But we got SDR TO HDR Conversion. It's the "new" video image enchantment. Sony support confirmed it on Twitter DMs. As the name says, it works on video and it can work on a few apps that they don't mention which.
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The XZ Premium can't record HDR Videos (4K)
But we got SDR TO HDR Conversion. It's the "new" video image enchantment. Sony support confirmed it on Twitter DMs. As the name says, it works on video and it can work on a few apps that they don't mention which.
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do you have a reference article speaking about that ?
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do you have a reference article speaking about that ?
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I have tried it and so can you, I can confirm, here is how I tested:
watched the video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTvrXLfheI&t=49s
was very very crisp and detailed but the video isnt HDR, so I gave it a shot and downloaded the video with 4k youtube downloader app on my PC and placed the video on my device, then watched it there, total different story mate!! I am so happy! I started flipping between recent's app going to youtube and back to the video app (or photo they both support it) while I was watching the same video on both, and I was shocked to see that its ALOT more colorful and dynamic in the video app than on youtube (set on 4k on youtube).
I was skeptical about it but now that I tried, I can confirm with full confidence that we have SDR to HDR!
try it your self and let me know if you notice it too
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I have tried it and so can you, I can confirm, here is how I tested:
watched the video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTvrXLfheI&t=49s
was very very crisp and detailed but the video isnt HDR, so I gave it a shot and downloaded the video with 4k youtube downloader app on my PC and placed the video on my device, then watched it there, total different story mate!! I am so happy! I started flipping between recent's app going to youtube and back to the video app (or photo they both support it) while I was watching the same video on both, and I was shocked to see that its ALOT more colorful and dynamic in the video app than on youtube (set on 4k on youtube).
I was skeptical about it but now that I tried, I can confirm with full confidence that we have SDR to HDR!
try it your self and let me know if you notice it too
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you are talking about hdr video playback, i am speaking about hdr video capture (but again not in a hdr video codec, just raising details in the shadows and the highlights by combining multiple exposures in a non hdr video codec, exactly what is done in hdr photo and like what you see here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyR00UiWJE )
XZ Premium uses BionzX for camera , and it does not support HDR recording. On XZ2 and on camera uses Qualcomm ISP for camera processing.
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XZ Premium uses BionzX for camera , and it does not support HDR recording. On XZ2 and on camera uses Qualcomm ISP for camera processing.
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thanks for the info, i don't get why is hdr video available on older phones like the z2 but not xz premium https://support.sonymobile.com/ae-en/xperiaz2/userguide/video-camera-settings/#gref