I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
Can I roll back my update?
mhammett said:
I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
Can I roll back my update?
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The update actually corrected the issue. Previously the 'rapidly charging' being reported was incorrect.
mhammett said:
I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
Can I roll back my update?
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I noticed that it didn't charge rapidly after the update. But I did a reboot on both the wireless charge pad and phone. Now it charges rapidly
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The update actually corrected the issue. Previously the 'rapidly charging' being reported was incorrect.
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Oh, so it said it was charging rapidly, but actually wasn't?
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Oh, so it said it was charging rapidly, but actually wasn't?
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correct.
It was quite a news 'story'. Third party wireless chargers that aren't certified by Google (there are none out yet, or at least werent when this news broke) were only charging at 5w, while reporting 'charging rapidly'. The pixel stand charges at 10w.
The update merely corrected the display, they still just charge at 5w.
Many articles written about it, for example: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ess-charging-approved-chargers-restriction-qi
and then: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...-correctly-identifies-slow-wireless-charging/
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correct.
It was quite a news 'story'. Third party wireless chargers that aren't certified by Google (there are none out yet, or at least werent when this news broke) were only charging at 5w, while reporting 'charging rapidly'. The pixel stand charges at 10w.
The update merely corrected the display, they still just charge at 5w.
Many articles written about it, for example: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ess-charging-approved-chargers-restriction-qi
and then: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...-correctly-identifies-slow-wireless-charging/
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Right, I saw that. That's why I was excited when it said it was rapidly charging before the update.
Do we have confirmation that the update just changed the messaging and not the performance (ie: they forgot to enable the DRM in the factory software)?
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Right, I saw that. That's why I was excited when it said it was rapidly charging before the update.
Do we have confirmation that the update just changed the messaging and not the performance (ie: they forgot to enable the DRM in the factory software)?
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It was confirmed before the update that it was NOT charging rapidly (the performance), IE: 5w. It was just reported by the phone incorrectly. Nothing else changed, other than what the phone displayed on the screen. If its not Google certified (or a Pixel Stand) it just uses the Qi standard which is 5w.
It wont change until Google certified chargers are available.
See here for some insight from users: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/wireless-charging-results-t3857438
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It was confirmed before the update that it was NOT charging rapidly (the performance), IE: 5w. It was just reported by the phone incorrectly. Nothing else changed, other than what the phone displayed on the screen. If its not Google certified (or a Pixel Stand) it just uses the Qi standard which is 5w.
It wont change until Google certified chargers are available.
See here for some insight from users: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/wireless-charging-results-t3857438
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That thread doesn't actually answer anything. It has some parroting, some bickering, some fanboying, and some unqualified screenshots.
We need amperage screenshots from people that have not yet applied the update to know that for certain.
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That thread doesn't actually answer anything. It has some parroting, some bickering, some fanboying, and some unqualified screenshots.
We need amperage screenshots from people that have not yet applied the update to know that for certain.
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OK. Believe what you want.
It was widely reported by many reputable blogs. Many posts about it elsewhere besides XDA, etc.
Google has even commented on it specifically: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/#1
The ONLY that has changed from the update regarding charging with third party chargers wirelessly is that it now is reported correctly as charging slowly.
You seem to be lacking reading comprehension. I am not disagreeing with the fact that Google has adopted that position.
There is no evidence that I have seen yet that shows that out of the box is a reporting error versus not yet locking it down. It may very well be, but a screenshot of low charging rates without verifiably being pre-update doesn't answer that question.
I repeat. There is nothing that I have seen that says it was a reporting error instead of simply being that Google didn't have the DRM in the shipping release.
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You seem to be lacking reading comprehension. I am not disagreeing with the fact that Google has adopted that position.
There is no evidence that I have seen yet that shows that out of the box is a reporting error versus not yet locking it down. It may very well be, but a screenshot of low charging rates without verifiably being pre-update doesn't answer that question.
I repeat. There is nothing that I have seen that says it was a reporting error instead of simply being that Google didn't have the DRM in the shipping release.
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Fine, insult if you must. Keep your head in the sand, and ignore the manufacturer clarification that third party chargers only wirelessly charge at 5w, and only the Pixel Stand charges at 10w. Ignore all the blogs who reported that it incorrectly reported at release and that the November release now fixes it to report correctly. Ignore that the current Qi standard for wireless charging of phones is 5w, but Google uses proprietary software in addition to Qi to charge wirelessly at 10w with the Pixel Stand.
Not really sure if you have read any of the links how you could come to the conclusion that Google forgot to turn on the 'handshake' (as they call it) and it worked with third party chargers. They clearly state it doesn't, even an engineer from Anker accessories says thats how it works (at release), but yet you refuse to believe.
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Fine, insult if you must. Keep your head in the sand, and ignore the manufacturer clarification that third party chargers only wirelessly charge at 5w, and only the Pixel Stand charges at 10w. Ignore all the blogs who reported that it incorrectly reported at release and that the November release now fixes it to report correctly. Ignore that the current Qi standard for wireless charging of phones is 5w, but Google uses proprietary software in addition to Qi to charge wirelessly at 10w with the Pixel Stand.
Not really sure if you have read any of the links how you could come to the conclusion that Google forgot to turn on the 'handshake' (as they call it) and it worked with third party chargers. They clearly state it doesn't, even an engineer from Anker accessories says thats how it works (at release), but yet you refuse to believe.
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Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.
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Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.
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LOL what?
Your OP stated your 'old generic wireless charger' was charging the phone rapidly.
I replied that wasn't the case, as it was an error with what was being displayed on the phone.
Not sure how the Verge (and all the other blogs, a quick google search will show many) didnt cover your point at all, here is the title of the article: The Pixel 3 only supports fast wireless charging on Google-approved chargers.
Subtitle: Unless you’re using the Pixel Stand or another, Google-approved charger, you’re stuck at 5W.
None of the articles I linked were reviews, but were articles directly published about the OP.
Here is quotes from one of the AP articles:
A reader recently purchased a 10W Anker wireless charger to wirelessly fast charge his Pixel 3 with, only to discover that the phone was only getting a maximum of 500mA via the charging app Ampere. He contacted Anker and received this response:
Also, what we learned is that Google's official wireless charger can provide 10W for the newly-released Pixel 3 and Pixel XL 3, however, according to our quality engineer, Pixel sets a limitation for a third-party charging accessories and we are afraid that even our fast wireless charger can only provide 5W for these 2x devices. Our quality team is to purchase this new models to have a try, once we get a test answer, we will keep the product page updated.
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Of course, at this point, there are no Google approved chargers, so that leaves ONLY the Pixel Stand to charge at 10w (rapidly).
These were all published a few days after the devices were in users hands, well before the November update which merely fixes the reporting.
Do you have any proof that yours was indeed charging rapidly other than what was displayed on the phone?
All the blogs state that the phones are charging slowly and yet displayed rapidly(and Google confirmed, then fixed). Are they all wrong?
Here is Googles reply to AP that specifically says phones are limited to 5w unless using Pixel Stand or an approved charger (of which none are available even today):
Google has circled back with us for some clarification. While only the Pixel Stand will charge the Pixel 3 wirelessly at full speed right now, a certification process is underway through the company's Made for Google program to allow third-party chargers to operate in the same manner, at full 10W speeds.
These certified chargers will take advantage of the protocol currently used by the Pixel Stand to similarly charge the Pixel at 10W. Belkin's got one in the works, and presumably we'll see other accessory manufacturers follow suit.
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LOL what?
Your OP stated your 'old generic wireless charger' was charging the phone rapidly.
I replied that wasn't the case, as it was an error with what was being displayed on the phone.
Not sure how the Verge (and all the other blogs, a quick google search will show many) didnt cover your point at all, here is the title of the article: The Pixel 3 only supports fast wireless charging on Google-approved chargers.
Subtitle: Unless you’re using the Pixel Stand or another, Google-approved charger, you’re stuck at 5W.
None of the articles I linked were reviews, but were articles directly published about the OP.
Here is quotes from one of the AP articles:
Of course, at this point, there are no Google approved chargers, so that leaves ONLY the Pixel Stand to charge at 10w (rapidly).
These were all published a few days after the devices were in users hands, well before the November update which merely fixes the reporting.
Do you have any proof that yours was indeed charging rapidly other than what was displayed on the phone?
All the blogs state that the phones are charging slowly and yet displayed rapidly(and Google confirmed, then fixed). Are they all wrong?
Here is Googles reply to AP that specifically says phones are limited to 5w unless using Pixel Stand or an approved charger (of which none are available even today):
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Yeah, that doesn't cover it at all. What does? A screenshot of a battery information app before the update. That's all that's needed to confirm. I'm not willing to purchase a new Pixel 3 just to find out. No, I probably can't just downgrade as it may have included updated firmware that wouldn't be downgraded.
No, Google has not commented on the matter. The article said so specifically that Google would not comment, "We asked Google on numerous occasions if the "rapid" label was merely an oversight but never received a response. We've reached out again and will update if we have any additional information to share." No update.
It's a very simple thing. What is the observed amperage before the update? Nothing else is relevant until Google comments specifically on the change of message versus change of behavior situation.
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Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.
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Yeah, that doesn't cover it at all. What does? A screenshot of a battery information app before the update. That's all that's needed to confirm. I'm not willing to purchase a new Pixel 3 just to find out. No, I probably can't just downgrade as it may have included updated firmware that wouldn't be downgraded.
No, Google has not commented on the matter. The article said so specifically that Google would not comment, "We asked Google on numerous occasions if the "rapid" label was merely an oversight but never received a response. We've reached out again and will update if we have any additional information to share." No update.
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They chose not to comment about the question if it was intentional or not. NOT of what the actual usage is. They responded directly about the actual implementation. Couldn't be any more clear really. Please, keep things in order, they replied directly on October 23rd, your quote was from Nov. 5th, after the update.
Not sure why you choose to be so blind to the information presented. Why would all the blogs post articles that say its showing the incorrect information (and calling it a **** move by Google to boot), if it was showing the correct information?? IE: charging rapidly, if it were indeed charging rapidly? Makes zero sense.
Also, you were presented with screen shots of it charging prior to the update, but you seem to think they are invalid. In addition one of the articles quoted also cites a user who read it reading 500mA (when it should be much higher), but again you seem to ignore that. He reached out to a third party manuf. who states exactly what the blogs and everyone else (including Google) who seems to be involved that it is only charging at 5w. What do they have to gain by lying?
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They chose not to comment about the question if it was intentional or not. NOT of what the actual usage is. They responded directly about the actual implementation. Couldn't be any more clear really. Please, keep things in order, they replied directly on October 23rd, your quote was from Nov. 5th, after the update.
Not sure why you choose to be so blind to the information presented. Why would all the blogs post articles that say its showing the incorrect information (and calling it a **** move by Google to boot), if it was showing the correct information?? IE: charging rapidly, if it were indeed charging rapidly? Makes zero sense.
Also, you were presented with screen shots of it charging prior to the update, but you seem to think they are invalid. In addition one of the articles quoted also cites a user who read it reading 500mA (when it should be much higher), but again you seem to ignore that. He reached out to a third party manuf. who states exactly what the blogs and everyone else (including Google) who seems to be involved that it is only charging at 5w. What do they have to gain by lying?
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Do we know if the screenshots showing 500 ma were done without the update? That information wasn't portrayed in any of the posts.
The reason I keep going down this road is that it is a very real possibility and there has been no information to refute it yet. The information you keep quoting doesn't say what you think it says. Just because that's what Google intended to do with the platform doesn't mean that's what it did on RTM.
I don't know why you keep beating on the fact that all of these people say Qi is limited to 5 watts and Google DRM for 10 watts. It's only tangentially related to if they actually had that switch turned on in the RTM firmware or if it was a reporting error.
My quote from Android Central doesn't leave much to the imagination. Was it an oversight? The alternative was that it was broken. Either are certainly possible, but which is it?
I'm not ignoring any information in any of the pages you've linked to. They just don't say what you think they say. There is no lying, there's just a lack of information.
My quote on Android Police asking Google for clarification is from the November 5th article. That means as of November 5th, Google hadn't officially provided any information on the matter.
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Do we know if the screenshots showing 500 ma were done without the update? That information wasn't portrayed in any of the posts.
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YES. They are all posted on Oct. 23rd, well before the update was made available (Nov. 5th the update came out).
NO ONE has ever proven that it was actually charging rapidly wirelessly(yet there are a multitude of posts about it NOT charging rapidly), while it displayed charging rapidly, not even yourself, even anecdotally (prior to the update Nov. 5th) with a third party charger. Of course it does with the Pixel Stand.
Many articles however to the contrary were written that it displays charging rapidly, but in fact it isn't. ALL well in advance of the update being available.
All the articles say exactly the same thing, which is what you seem to be ignoring, for some reason. The phone indicated fast wireless charging, when in fact it wasn't charging rapidly. All well in advance of the update. You were shown screen shots here on XDA by users, one with both a third party charger as well as pixel stand that directly corroborates the assertion that while they reported fast charging, they weren't actually being charged rapidly. Many blogs then took up the article calling out Google for a ****ty business practice of crippling third party chargers to 5w (slow), but yet showing on the phone that it was rapidly charging. Your argument is the opposite of what everyone, including Google has reported on the subject. Even a third party engineer from Anker, who makes a ton of accessories for android phones says they were limited (again BEFORE the update was out).
Im sure that all the blogs writing about it, users posting about it here, and elsewhere across the internet are all lying. Even XDA says it, but Im sure you don't believe them either. See this article dated Oct. 23rd, ISSUE #9: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3-pixel-3-xl-issues-problems-help-list/
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Hello,
I just changed the dock because of an almost dead key, and the new one doesn't seem to charge the pad. Has anyone had this before?
The pad is at 40%, the dock has been charged and shows 99% (still with the charging icon). But the pad is just discharging, its level decreasing.
The LED on the dock is green, and the LED of the pad is not on, not even orange.
Does that mean that this dock is faulty too?
Thanks for any advice!
I've seen this happen on occasion. Sometimes my dock charges my pad and sometimes it does not....I haven't been able to figure out what the difference is, but I suspect that when the pad is partially active the dock will charge it but when it goes into sleep mode it stops charging.
1) Generally the dock won't charge the pad unless it's under a certain %. I thought it was like 80% or something like that. The dock not charging the tab at 40% is not usual and yes I would exchange it before the return period runs out.
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1) Generally the dock won't charge the pad unless it's under a certain %. I thought it was like 80% or something like that. The dock not charging the tab at 40% is not usual and yes I would exchange it before the return period runs out.
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The dock is supposed to charge the tab if the tab goes under 70%, then it will charge it up to about 90% (unless the dock goes under 4-5%, then it will stop charging). At 40% the dock should charge the tablet. IMHO, it is not normal...
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That's the numbers I've seen, it confirms my thoughts. Thanks guys!
I'm wondering if it is possible at all to get a Transformer that works correctly. And that keeps functioning. Here it's already the 3rd attempt and still not the good one, I think I'll just demand a refund and forget about the tablet stuff.
Last time I buy something from ASUS, really, it was a dreadful experience.
Yes, it is perfectly possible to get a fully functional, faultless pad.
There's a few production lines that are flawed. Frustratingly, those are the stocks the 'big low-priced stores' seem to have. (Bestbuy, amazon, etc.) Which means the rest of us have to keep hearing 'they're all bad!' when in fact they're not. If you get a bad one three times at the same store, GET A DIFFERENT PRODUCTION NUMBER. It's not that hard.
Silly people, wanting the cheapest price possible and then complaining the stock is flawed. Well duh, where'd you think the low price comes from?
Return it, it should charge it when it gets below 70%. Get your money back and buy it somewhere else. (And don't take any of this personal, I'm just sick and tired of all those cheapskates whining about bad products when they paid 30% of what we who have a flawless one paid for it. )
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Yes, it is perfectly possible to get a fully functional, faultless pad.
There's a few production lines that are flawed. Frustratingly, those are the stocks the 'big low-priced stores' seem to have. (Bestbuy, amazon, etc.) Which means the rest of us have to keep hearing 'they're all bad!' when in fact they're not. If you get a bad one three times at the same store, GET A DIFFERENT PRODUCTION NUMBER. It's not that hard.
Silly people, wanting the cheapest price possible and then complaining the stock is flawed. Well duh, where'd you think the low price comes from?
Return it, it should charge it when it gets below 70%. Get your money back and buy it somewhere else. (And don't take any of this personal, I'm just sick and tired of all those cheapskates whining about bad products when they paid 30% of what we who have a flawless one paid for it. )
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Nope, it's not coming from a "cheap" shop, not even online. It's from two separate vendors that have a good reputation. And getting a different production number is easy to say, you don't exactly get to unpack their stock
Though in fact, I've already unpacked a part of it, trying to find working parts... you can add one more fruitless attempt to those above. Thankfully the vendor does the exchange directly from the stock, if you go through ASUS process you can wait one month or more between each attempt (from my experience and friends').
No, there is no such thing as a "black market of lower-quality products", Amazon get their lower price from sheer quantities -- for example their games and books are cheaper than everywhere else, yet the content is the same. I never had any problem with their other products either.
Maybe you were lucky and a few others were, but in this occurrence it's definitely a poorly controlled (if not poorly built) product. 4 defects on 4 attempts in two different places, that speaks from itself.
Where do we get this? Charging within 6 feet of the source with nothing more than losing your ability to reproduce (yes, fine, nothing has been proven, but honestly, really, that much voltage coursing through the air, who thinks this is good for you? BUT, it means always charged devices, so that's a plus, who needs kids any way? (yes, for all of you about to go up in arms, this is sarcasm)).
http://androidandme.com/2015/11/news/long-distance-wireless-charging-is-now-a-reality
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Where do we get this? Charging within 6 feet of the source with nothing more than losing your ability to reproduce (yes, fine, nothing has been proven, but honestly, really, that much voltage coursing through the air, who thinks this is good for you? BUT, it means always charged devices, so that's a plus, who needs kids any way? (yes, for all of you about to go up in arms, this is sarcasm)).
http://androidandme.com/2015/11/news/long-distance-wireless-charging-is-now-a-reality
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Funny thing how they "Advertise" 3 crApple products, which dont even know what "Fast Charging" is neither "Wireless Charging" but we all waiting for that moment lol, iCrap 7 with "World changing, and Amazing Innovation" Fast Charging, then by 2018 7s with "Wireless Charging" then it will become more important, its just sad lol
Our chipset has support for Qualcomm WiPower, yet they have no actual chargers in the market. I sent them an email about it, but they never even responded. It's not a fully wireless room-filling technology, but it gives you much broader range/area to charge than Qi and doesn't require a different back.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/wipower
You can have a special transducer surgically implanted into your spine which allows you to charge your phone just by holding it. But it only works if you're in a good mood. The chipset supports positive energy only.
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Our chipset has support for Qualcomm WiPower, yet they have no actual chargers in the market. I sent them an email about it, but they never even responded. It's not a fully wireless room-filling technology, but it gives you much broader range/area to charge than Qi and doesn't require a different back.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/wipower
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Actually the product exist, but not for consumers, I was offered to test the wipower or what they used to call it A4WP, but due to hi cost I rejected the offer.
I think the reason why it's not available since it's been available for a good few years now, is probably it hasn't passed a certain test due to hi frequencies that may affect people, although is low radiation, but does have a longer range that the current QI standard.
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Actually the product exist, but not for consumers, I was offered to test the wipower or what they used to call it A4WP, but due to hi cost I rejected the offer.
I think the reason why it's not available since it's been available for a good few years now, is probably it hasn't passed a certain test due to hi frequencies that may affect people, although is low radiation, but does have a longer range that the current QI standard.
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Yeah, I meant the consumer market, lol. There has to be some key issue that they haven't solved yet like you said.
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I bought a Pixel 3 from the Google Store and had it delivered via their "expert setup" person. The battery level was like 27% or something when she powered it on which seemed low so I'm paranoid that it's somehow not a new device. Is there some way to tell when the phone was first powered on? I vaguely remember on a prior phone being able to get into some service menu and see something like that but I tried some of the hidden menu codes without luck. I have the unlocked version of the Pixel 3 and am running on Verizon in case that matters.
I don't think there's a set number for what the battery is at when delivered. It's generally not full and probably depends on a few factors like how long it was on the shelf and the temperatures in storage/transit. I'd guess they might be full or nearly full when they leave the factory but then they get shipped to the US and are warehoused before being delivered to you. Usually these is enough battery to power it on and start setup but usually you need to plug it into do the system updates and such. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
That said, I am not aware of any way to tell if it was powered on before.
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I don't think there's a set number for what the battery is at when delivered. It's generally not full and probably depends on a few factors like how long it was on the shelf and the temperatures in storage/transit. I'd guess they might be full or nearly full when they leave the factory but then they get shipped to the US and are warehoused before being delivered to you. Usually these is enough battery to power it on and start setup but usually you need to plug it into do the system updates and such. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
That said, I am not aware of any way to tell if it was powered on before.
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I thought there was some federal regulation surrounding the minimum charge level that the batteries have to have when leaving the factory but searching for that now didn't seem to return anything definitive.
Federal Regulation about the phone means nothing. Stop gender labeling your phone.
I thought about posting this on the newbie post but since there is more than one question, and some of this isn't really for newbies I thought i'd just make a new thread.
So i've had this phone for a few years now. I'm on Consumer Cellular with a TMobile sim card and it's been working fairly good lately. I am wondering if anyone has had the "automatic disabling 'caller id and spam protection' on reboot" bug fixed by the latest security update for the phone for them? As for me it still does it, so curious to know if it was fixed yet for anyone in the US.
Also lately I have been starting to think about possibly replacing the battery on the phone, I haven't noticed a significant power capacity decrease on the phone yet but since I'm a bit paranoid and never seem to let my phone get to less than 50% before charging it I'm sure if I had a power graph of when I first got the phone vs now it would probably show some kind of capacity loss. I know there are a few good places that can sell you a battery and a toolkit along with a new waterproofing seal and have a step by step video of how to do it and since I do have some electrical troubleshooting background I figure it won't be too difficult. But today I saw some guy inside the back of a galaxy s8 and he was using metal tweezers in there and all my old electronics training was just screaming "NOOOOO" LOL so I'm wondering what anyone who knows more about current electronics with this phone; their opinion of doing this is? Bear in mind he also still had the battery inserted in the phone. LOL.
Also I have a question about the specifications of fast charging vs slow charging are for this phone? I can't seem to find any consistent information about what this phones software considers fast vs slow charging as far as available power, and I've noticed I never seem to see the fast charging notification when I have it hooked up to a USB 3.0 port on my computer; and depending on how you interpret the information I've been able to find about what the available power is for a USB 3.0 port, depending on the item connected to it, it could be anywhere from 300 to 900mA available apparently from what I'm seeing but I may be misinterpreting the information I am seeing. Right now the only judge I have other than seeing the "Fast Charging" indicator is I have Ampere and it says that while hooked up to my USB 3.0 port and with most apps off as in not showing in recent apps in that form of standby mode, I am seeing it at anywhere from 330 to 380mA when I activate the screen until it recalculates and goes back down to about 330mA. Also I do know my MB has at least USB 3.1 firstgen from the MB specs. I'm not sure if it's drivers that limit it above that or if it's the actual chipset itself.
Thanks for any info about these questions.
I've watched a few youtube videos on the 3.1 update, (but not many available). None of them really saying if they like the update better than 3.0. I know this happened with Oreo to Pie where there were a lot complaints. I been on the Note since the 1st Note 2 consistently so obvious a fan of the Note series.
Now that I'm on 3.0 and I don't really have any gripes I wanted to see if the update is worth it, (beside the object remover and a few other small changes). Basically looking to get a quick census on who actually likes the update and who regrets they updated. I've seen some issues with 5G in another thread but also wanted to hear from some members that either like it or hate it before I jump in.
(if there is a specific thread about this please feel free to move this moderators)
3.1 is rock solid for me. Everything works beyond my expectations. I've noticed 3.1 loves RAM. I hover around 8gb used most of the time where as 2.5 was ~5gb and 3.0 was ~6.5.
Buck420 said:
3.1 is rock solid for me. Everything works beyond my expectations. I've noticed 3.1 loves RAM. I hover around 8gb used most of the time where as 2.5 was ~5gb and 3.0 was ~6.5.
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I didn't get a notification a reply came through. I appreciate the feedback. I'm at around 7.2 gb on 3. I noticed some people they liked 2.5 while I while others say they're missing features on 3.1 and small camera stuff. I may jump in to 3.1 then. I'm kind of debating rooting it prior to make it more interesting since I'll have this for a while but we'll see.
Let me tell you why 3.1 sucks. All your wireless fast chargers will stop fast charging, unless they are Samsung brand. Otherwise you will only be able to slow charge no matter what power supply or cable you use. It must be Samsung to fast charge.
Do a Google search and you will see countless people who are pissed off about this. I have several wireless chargers throughout the house and in the car, none of them can fast charge now, and there's not way in hell I'm buying OEM Samsung chargers and the crazy current asking price.
uscpsycho said:
Let me tell you why 3.1 sucks. All your wireless fast chargers will stop fast charging, unless they are Samsung brand. Otherwise you will only be able to slow charge no matter what power supply or cable you use. It must be Samsung to fast charge.
Do a Google search and you will see countless people who are pissed off about this. I have several wireless chargers throughout the house and in the car, none of them can fast charge now, and there's not way in hell I'm buying OEM Samsung chargers and the crazy current asking price.
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Wow, how is that even legal. It's very hard to maintain good faith in a company when they show such blatant disregard for their customers. This helps no one but them and negatively affects millions of consumers and countless companies that make accessories.
That's nuts. I don't do much wireless charging since they're never as fast as the regular or supercharge but I'd be pissed losing any feature as basic as that for such an expensive phone. I haven't updated or rooted yet but I won't rush it at this point. Everything works good for me. I also seen people complaining about losing 5G which is nuts. I'm on Sprint/T Mobil.. Last thing I need is worst data.. Thanks for the replies