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[Q] Dock is not charging pad, is that normal?

Hello,
I just changed the dock because of an almost dead key, and the new one doesn't seem to charge the pad. Has anyone had this before?
The pad is at 40%, the dock has been charged and shows 99% (still with the charging icon). But the pad is just discharging, its level decreasing.
The LED on the dock is green, and the LED of the pad is not on, not even orange.
Does that mean that this dock is faulty too?
Thanks for any advice!

I've seen this happen on occasion. Sometimes my dock charges my pad and sometimes it does not....I haven't been able to figure out what the difference is, but I suspect that when the pad is partially active the dock will charge it but when it goes into sleep mode it stops charging.

1) Generally the dock won't charge the pad unless it's under a certain %. I thought it was like 80% or something like that. The dock not charging the tab at 40% is not usual and yes I would exchange it before the return period runs out.

neo1738 said:
1) Generally the dock won't charge the pad unless it's under a certain %. I thought it was like 80% or something like that. The dock not charging the tab at 40% is not usual and yes I would exchange it before the return period runs out.
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The dock is supposed to charge the tab if the tab goes under 70%, then it will charge it up to about 90% (unless the dock goes under 4-5%, then it will stop charging). At 40% the dock should charge the tablet. IMHO, it is not normal...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD

That's the numbers I've seen, it confirms my thoughts. Thanks guys!
I'm wondering if it is possible at all to get a Transformer that works correctly. And that keeps functioning. Here it's already the 3rd attempt and still not the good one, I think I'll just demand a refund and forget about the tablet stuff.
Last time I buy something from ASUS, really, it was a dreadful experience.

Yes, it is perfectly possible to get a fully functional, faultless pad.
There's a few production lines that are flawed. Frustratingly, those are the stocks the 'big low-priced stores' seem to have. (Bestbuy, amazon, etc.) Which means the rest of us have to keep hearing 'they're all bad!' when in fact they're not. If you get a bad one three times at the same store, GET A DIFFERENT PRODUCTION NUMBER. It's not that hard.
Silly people, wanting the cheapest price possible and then complaining the stock is flawed. Well duh, where'd you think the low price comes from?
Return it, it should charge it when it gets below 70%. Get your money back and buy it somewhere else. (And don't take any of this personal, I'm just sick and tired of all those cheapskates whining about bad products when they paid 30% of what we who have a flawless one paid for it. )

ShadowLea said:
Yes, it is perfectly possible to get a fully functional, faultless pad.
There's a few production lines that are flawed. Frustratingly, those are the stocks the 'big low-priced stores' seem to have. (Bestbuy, amazon, etc.) Which means the rest of us have to keep hearing 'they're all bad!' when in fact they're not. If you get a bad one three times at the same store, GET A DIFFERENT PRODUCTION NUMBER. It's not that hard.
Silly people, wanting the cheapest price possible and then complaining the stock is flawed. Well duh, where'd you think the low price comes from?
Return it, it should charge it when it gets below 70%. Get your money back and buy it somewhere else. (And don't take any of this personal, I'm just sick and tired of all those cheapskates whining about bad products when they paid 30% of what we who have a flawless one paid for it. )
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Nope, it's not coming from a "cheap" shop, not even online. It's from two separate vendors that have a good reputation. And getting a different production number is easy to say, you don't exactly get to unpack their stock
Though in fact, I've already unpacked a part of it, trying to find working parts... you can add one more fruitless attempt to those above. Thankfully the vendor does the exchange directly from the stock, if you go through ASUS process you can wait one month or more between each attempt (from my experience and friends').
No, there is no such thing as a "black market of lower-quality products", Amazon get their lower price from sheer quantities -- for example their games and books are cheaper than everywhere else, yet the content is the same. I never had any problem with their other products either.
Maybe you were lucky and a few others were, but in this occurrence it's definitely a poorly controlled (if not poorly built) product. 4 defects on 4 attempts in two different places, that speaks from itself.

LG V10 will soon have Wireless Charging!

http://phandroid.com/2015/10/14/lg-v10-wireless-charging-back-cover/
Appears as though it'll be made available over seas first, but coming none the less.

Hopefully we will see those stickers pop up on ebay for $10 or so to enable the wireless charging? Whats the time frame for something like that?

Well I'd say no we don't have any wireless charging sticker options yet, because the pin locations are a bit different than previous LG devices. Though it's only a matter of time, from the videos and photos I've seen of the back of the device without the cover and the inside of the cover, There is definitely a set being utilized for the nfc antenna that comes attached to the battery cover and then another set that are not being touched by anything.

I reached out to LG this morning in regards to the back cover and they gave me the very generic response that they do not know of a wireless back cover and they don't know if or when one would be released...

Wow, can't believe the V10 doesn't have this by default! LG behind again in putting in the most valuable feature IMO. Wow, wow! Was ready to pull the trigger on the V10 too! But this is a must have for me.

MicroMod777 said:
Wow, can't believe the V10 doesn't have this by default! LG behind again in putting in the most valuable feature IMO. Wow, wow! Was ready to pull the trigger on the V10 too! But this is a must have for me.
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I can't grasp this logic at all. Even with wireless charging, the phone still needs to be tethered to a certain spot...so who cares if it's wireless or wired?
Seems so nit-picky

MicroMod777 said:
Wow, can't believe the V10 doesn't have this by default! LG behind again in putting in the most valuable feature IMO. Wow, wow! Was ready to pull the trigger on the V10 too! But this is a must have for me.
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Nexus 5x/6p doesn't have it
Sony Z5 doesn't have it
OPT doesn't have it
Moto X Pure doesn't have it
A lot of phones missing the 'most valuable' feature. Its still a niche thing that, while catching on and loved by those that use it, is still not considered the top priority on most new phones.

MicroMod777 said:
Wow, can't believe the V10 doesn't have this by default! LG behind again in putting in the most valuable feature IMO. Wow, wow! Was ready to pull the trigger on the V10 too! But this is a must have for me.
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Phones are getting rid of it. You want it that badly buy those self install wireless charging kit and put it up...they are fairly cheap

Jimmmycrackcorn said:
I can't grasp this logic at all. Even with wireless charging, the phone still needs to be tethered to a certain spot...so who cares if it's wireless or wired?
Seems so nit-picky
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Bootup said:
Nexus 5x/6p doesn't have it
Sony Z5 doesn't have it
OPT doesn't have it
Moto X Pure doesn't have it
A lot of phones missing the 'most valuable' feature. Its still a niche thing that, while catching on and loved by those that use it, is still not considered the top priority on most new phones.
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I've been using Wireless Charging since 2012 first with the Droid DNA. Then in 2013 I got Verizon's LG G2, which also had wireless charging build in. Got tired of the G2, and finally got the G4 and lived without wireless charging for about a month or two. Was hell! Hated plugging it in every night. One night, I reached over to get the G4, and the dam wire dumped everything off my nightstand around 2am. It was a bloddy nightmare! Luckily, the Chinese came along to save the day and offered the first G4 wireless sticker, that didn't work, without a mod.
So now comes the V10, and no wireless charging? Haven't you seen the Samsung commercials mocking the Iphone for no wireless charging. This is 2015, not 1960 for crying out loud! lol
But I must say, at least the V10 has a fingerprint reader. That's getting closer to being as good as the Samsung Edge Plus. But LG again fails to have the best technology on their flagship device.

@MicroMod777 hope you get it cause we need some devs over here. You won't be disappointed it's a great phone.

MicroMod777 said:
I've been using Wireless Charging since 2012 first with the Droid DNA. Then in 2013 I got Verizon's LG G2, which also had wireless charging build in. Got tired of the G2, and finally got the G4 and lived without wireless charging for about a month or two. Was hell! Hated plugging it in every night. One night, I reached over to get the G4, and the dam wire dumped everything off my nightstand around 2am. It was a bloddy nightmare! Luckily, the Chinese came along to save the day and offered the first G4 wireless sticker, that didn't work, without a mod.
So now comes the V10, and no wireless charging? Haven't you seen the Samsung commercials mocking the Iphone for no wireless charging. This is 2015, not 1960 for crying out loud! lol
But I must say, at least the V10 has a fingerprint reader. That's getting closer to being as good as the Samsung Edge Plus. But LG again fails to have the best technology on their flagship device.
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Wireless chargers still has to be plugged in to an outlet so it's no different than having to plug your phone via the charging port. But you can just lift the phone off the wireless charger blah blah blah, big deal. It takes less than a sec to unplug your phone. You should probably clear your nightstand to avoid dumping all your crap, and was it set at the end of the table that you had to reach over and drag everything to the ground? Just wait for the case if you're so picky.

MicroMod777 said:
I've been using Wireless Charging since 2012 first with the Droid DNA. Then in 2013 I got Verizon's LG G2, which also had wireless charging build in. Got tired of the G2, and finally got the G4 and lived without wireless charging for about a month or two. Was hell! Hated plugging it in every night. One night, I reached over to get the G4, and the dam wire dumped everything off my nightstand around 2am. It was a bloddy nightmare! Luckily, the Chinese came along to save the day and offered the first G4 wireless sticker, that didn't work, without a mod.
So now comes the V10, and no wireless charging? Haven't you seen the Samsung commercials mocking the Iphone for no wireless charging. This is 2015, not 1960 for crying out loud! lol
But I must say, at least the V10 has a fingerprint reader. That's getting closer to being as good as the Samsung Edge Plus. But LG again fails to have the best technology on their flagship device.
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What's the complaint here anyway? Were talking about a feature that will be supported imminently. Whether with an OEM back cover to support it or 3rd party sticker, It'll be the same slow identical charge any other wireless device charges at. Worse case scenario, you have to plug in a usb for a few weeks. And if you jump on the LG promotion, you wont even have to do that. You can charge the secondary battery in the cradle and swap as needed. In my eyes, that's better than wireless charging... No wait other than the time it takes to swap the battery and reboot the phone.

mgbotoe said:
Phones are getting rid of it. You want it that badly buy those self install wireless charging kit and put it up...they are fairly cheap
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Don't see why phones would be getting rid of it. Wireless stickers are always cheap and don't work as good as the real thing.
Airtioteclint said:
@MicroMod777 hope you get it cause we need some devs over here. You won't be disappointed it's a great phone.
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Well see by January 2016 when I qualify for zero down with T-Mobile and do the On Demand Jump. Right now I can't justify spending $300+ for a down payment on it without wireless charging.
BTW, last night I tried to port the V10 software to the G4! Didn't go so well. lol Almost thought I bricked my G4. But thankfully I recovered it.

MicroMod777 said:
Don't see why phones would be getting rid of it. Wireless stickers are always cheap and don't work as good as the real thing.
Well see by January 2016 when I qualify for zero down with T-Mobile and do the On Demand Jump. Right now I can't justify spending $300+ for a down payment on it without wireless charging.
BTW, last night I tried to port the V10 software to the G4! Didn't go so well. lol Almost thought I bricked my G4. But thankfully I recovered it.
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I don't know either companies growing cheap it is disappointing. I am sure they will provide a wireless charging back as they did with g4
Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

The question is, which would you rather take: wireless charging (will it be fast wireless charging) or the Qualcomm’s QFE2550 closed-loop antenna tuning solution, known as Qualcomm TruSignal antenna boost technology. Let's not forget, 1 hour 5 minutes to go from 0 to 100%, currently. I figured that's what's on the inside of my back cover, but I could be wrong. Every time I walk in best buy, I see the new antennas you slap on the back of iphones/galaxys.
Personally, I've used wireless and wired. I've got galaxy S6 active and love the wireless for work, only because my plug doesn't drop behind the desk when I disconnect.
But, wireless isn't necessary for me. It might be for the rest of you.
Off topic, I'm much more in love with the 808 with 4GB ram then anything. I've got 30 apps running and I don't see any lag. ...yet. no aggressive memory killing the apps, which I love. Yes the gpu isn't as powerful but I haven't found anything that slows it down (I'm looking at you, modern combat 5). The 4GB ram and 64GB base is just making this phone bad ass. I bought it for the camera and movie capabilities. Removable battery and microsd slot just make me love it more. Just waiting for my stabilizer to come in from Amazon for my tripod.

Does anyone know how to charge while the phone is off ?
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celsior360 said:
Does anyone know how to charge while the phone is off ?
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???
Umm, plug it in

Bootup said:
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Umm, plug it in
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The phone will turn on if u plug it in when it's off.
Sent from my LG-V500 using Tapatalk

celsior360 said:
The phone will turn on if u plug it in when it's off.
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Yea, I have thought about this as well.

fresco1337 said:
Yea, I have thought about this as well.
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People in other forum saying if you plug in your phone, then you can swtich it off, but you can't do it the other way around.

Pixel 3 XL Wireless Charging Impacted by Update?

I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
​​​​​​​Can I roll back my update?

mhammett said:
I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
​​​​​​​Can I roll back my update?
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The update actually corrected the issue. Previously the 'rapidly charging' being reported was incorrect.

mhammett said:
I am looking for more observations on this.
I believe the restriction on the Google-approved wireless chargers for charging rapidly was instituted in a software update.
Out of the box, my 3 XL was "charging rapidly" from my old generic wireless charger. I installed the update and now it's "charging slowly". Can anyone else confirm?
​​​​​​​Can I roll back my update?
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I noticed that it didn't charge rapidly after the update. But I did a reboot on both the wireless charge pad and phone. Now it charges rapidly

uicnren said:
The update actually corrected the issue. Previously the 'rapidly charging' being reported was incorrect.
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Oh, so it said it was charging rapidly, but actually wasn't?

mhammett said:
Oh, so it said it was charging rapidly, but actually wasn't?
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correct.
It was quite a news 'story'. Third party wireless chargers that aren't certified by Google (there are none out yet, or at least werent when this news broke) were only charging at 5w, while reporting 'charging rapidly'. The pixel stand charges at 10w.
The update merely corrected the display, they still just charge at 5w.
Many articles written about it, for example: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ess-charging-approved-chargers-restriction-qi
and then: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...-correctly-identifies-slow-wireless-charging/

uicnren said:
correct.
It was quite a news 'story'. Third party wireless chargers that aren't certified by Google (there are none out yet, or at least werent when this news broke) were only charging at 5w, while reporting 'charging rapidly'. The pixel stand charges at 10w.
The update merely corrected the display, they still just charge at 5w.
Many articles written about it, for example: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ess-charging-approved-chargers-restriction-qi
and then: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...-correctly-identifies-slow-wireless-charging/
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Right, I saw that. That's why I was excited when it said it was rapidly charging before the update.
Do we have confirmation that the update just changed the messaging and not the performance (ie: they forgot to enable the DRM in the factory software)?

mhammett said:
Right, I saw that. That's why I was excited when it said it was rapidly charging before the update.
Do we have confirmation that the update just changed the messaging and not the performance (ie: they forgot to enable the DRM in the factory software)?
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It was confirmed before the update that it was NOT charging rapidly (the performance), IE: 5w. It was just reported by the phone incorrectly. Nothing else changed, other than what the phone displayed on the screen. If its not Google certified (or a Pixel Stand) it just uses the Qi standard which is 5w.
It wont change until Google certified chargers are available.
See here for some insight from users: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/wireless-charging-results-t3857438

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It was confirmed before the update that it was NOT charging rapidly (the performance), IE: 5w. It was just reported by the phone incorrectly. Nothing else changed, other than what the phone displayed on the screen. If its not Google certified (or a Pixel Stand) it just uses the Qi standard which is 5w.
It wont change until Google certified chargers are available.
See here for some insight from users: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/wireless-charging-results-t3857438
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That thread doesn't actually answer anything. It has some parroting, some bickering, some fanboying, and some unqualified screenshots.
We need amperage screenshots from people that have not yet applied the update to know that for certain.

mhammett said:
That thread doesn't actually answer anything. It has some parroting, some bickering, some fanboying, and some unqualified screenshots.
We need amperage screenshots from people that have not yet applied the update to know that for certain.
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OK. Believe what you want.
It was widely reported by many reputable blogs. Many posts about it elsewhere besides XDA, etc.
Google has even commented on it specifically: https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/#1
The ONLY that has changed from the update regarding charging with third party chargers wirelessly is that it now is reported correctly as charging slowly.

You seem to be lacking reading comprehension. I am not disagreeing with the fact that Google has adopted that position.
There is no evidence that I have seen yet that shows that out of the box is a reporting error versus not yet locking it down. It may very well be, but a screenshot of low charging rates without verifiably being pre-update doesn't answer that question.
I repeat. There is nothing that I have seen that says it was a reporting error instead of simply being that Google didn't have the DRM in the shipping release.

mhammett said:
You seem to be lacking reading comprehension. I am not disagreeing with the fact that Google has adopted that position.
There is no evidence that I have seen yet that shows that out of the box is a reporting error versus not yet locking it down. It may very well be, but a screenshot of low charging rates without verifiably being pre-update doesn't answer that question.
I repeat. There is nothing that I have seen that says it was a reporting error instead of simply being that Google didn't have the DRM in the shipping release.
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Fine, insult if you must. Keep your head in the sand, and ignore the manufacturer clarification that third party chargers only wirelessly charge at 5w, and only the Pixel Stand charges at 10w. Ignore all the blogs who reported that it incorrectly reported at release and that the November release now fixes it to report correctly. Ignore that the current Qi standard for wireless charging of phones is 5w, but Google uses proprietary software in addition to Qi to charge wirelessly at 10w with the Pixel Stand.
Not really sure if you have read any of the links how you could come to the conclusion that Google forgot to turn on the 'handshake' (as they call it) and it worked with third party chargers. They clearly state it doesn't, even an engineer from Anker accessories says thats how it works (at release), but yet you refuse to believe.

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Fine, insult if you must. Keep your head in the sand, and ignore the manufacturer clarification that third party chargers only wirelessly charge at 5w, and only the Pixel Stand charges at 10w. Ignore all the blogs who reported that it incorrectly reported at release and that the November release now fixes it to report correctly. Ignore that the current Qi standard for wireless charging of phones is 5w, but Google uses proprietary software in addition to Qi to charge wirelessly at 10w with the Pixel Stand.
Not really sure if you have read any of the links how you could come to the conclusion that Google forgot to turn on the 'handshake' (as they call it) and it worked with third party chargers. They clearly state it doesn't, even an engineer from Anker accessories says thats how it works (at release), but yet you refuse to believe.
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Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.

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Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.
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LOL what?
Your OP stated your 'old generic wireless charger' was charging the phone rapidly.
I replied that wasn't the case, as it was an error with what was being displayed on the phone.
Not sure how the Verge (and all the other blogs, a quick google search will show many) didnt cover your point at all, here is the title of the article: The Pixel 3 only supports fast wireless charging on Google-approved chargers.
Subtitle: Unless you’re using the Pixel Stand or another, Google-approved charger, you’re stuck at 5W.
None of the articles I linked were reviews, but were articles directly published about the OP.
Here is quotes from one of the AP articles:
A reader recently purchased a 10W Anker wireless charger to wirelessly fast charge his Pixel 3 with, only to discover that the phone was only getting a maximum of 500mA via the charging app Ampere. He contacted Anker and received this response:
Also, what we learned is that Google's official wireless charger can provide 10W for the newly-released Pixel 3 and Pixel XL 3, however, according to our quality engineer, Pixel sets a limitation for a third-party charging accessories and we are afraid that even our fast wireless charger can only provide 5W for these 2x devices. Our quality team is to purchase this new models to have a try, once we get a test answer, we will keep the product page updated.
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Of course, at this point, there are no Google approved chargers, so that leaves ONLY the Pixel Stand to charge at 10w (rapidly).
These were all published a few days after the devices were in users hands, well before the November update which merely fixes the reporting.
Do you have any proof that yours was indeed charging rapidly other than what was displayed on the phone?
All the blogs state that the phones are charging slowly and yet displayed rapidly(and Google confirmed, then fixed). Are they all wrong?
Here is Googles reply to AP that specifically says phones are limited to 5w unless using Pixel Stand or an approved charger (of which none are available even today):
Google has circled back with us for some clarification. While only the Pixel Stand will charge the Pixel 3 wirelessly at full speed right now, a certification process is underway through the company's Made for Google program to allow third-party chargers to operate in the same manner, at full 10W speeds.
These certified chargers will take advantage of the protocol currently used by the Pixel Stand to similarly charge the Pixel at 10W. Belkin's got one in the works, and presumably we'll see other accessory manufacturers follow suit.
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uicnren said:
LOL what?
Your OP stated your 'old generic wireless charger' was charging the phone rapidly.
I replied that wasn't the case, as it was an error with what was being displayed on the phone.
Not sure how the Verge (and all the other blogs, a quick google search will show many) didnt cover your point at all, here is the title of the article: The Pixel 3 only supports fast wireless charging on Google-approved chargers.
Subtitle: Unless you’re using the Pixel Stand or another, Google-approved charger, you’re stuck at 5W.
None of the articles I linked were reviews, but were articles directly published about the OP.
Here is quotes from one of the AP articles:
Of course, at this point, there are no Google approved chargers, so that leaves ONLY the Pixel Stand to charge at 10w (rapidly).
These were all published a few days after the devices were in users hands, well before the November update which merely fixes the reporting.
Do you have any proof that yours was indeed charging rapidly other than what was displayed on the phone?
All the blogs state that the phones are charging slowly and yet displayed rapidly(and Google confirmed, then fixed). Are they all wrong?
Here is Googles reply to AP that specifically says phones are limited to 5w unless using Pixel Stand or an approved charger (of which none are available even today):
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Yeah, that doesn't cover it at all. What does? A screenshot of a battery information app before the update. That's all that's needed to confirm. I'm not willing to purchase a new Pixel 3 just to find out. No, I probably can't just downgrade as it may have included updated firmware that wouldn't be downgraded.
No, Google has not commented on the matter. The article said so specifically that Google would not comment, "We asked Google on numerous occasions if the "rapid" label was merely an oversight but never received a response. We've reached out again and will update if we have any additional information to share." No update.

It's a very simple thing. What is the observed amperage before the update? Nothing else is relevant until Google comments specifically on the change of message versus change of behavior situation.

mhammett said:
Your previous messages didn't provide any indication that you understood what I was saying and the thread you linked to that I did read provided no additional information. You also only barely hint that you have any idea what I'm talking about in the message I just quoted.
Now that I've circled back and read the articles you linked to... the Verge didn't cover my point at all and Android Police said that Google wouldn't confirm what happened and that the changelog didn't mention the change. One of the Android Police articles mentioned that it said it was charging rapidly, but provided no evidence that it actually was charging slowly. Observation without facts to back it up.
Given how terrible phone reviews are, you have to forgive my disbelief of observation without evidence. Most phone reviews are more concerned about superficial things such as notches, face to glass ratios, etc. and not things that matter like storage IOPS, memory throughput, radio band support, radio performance, etc. They're fashion reviews, rarely technical reviews.
Also, Qi does go up to 15 watts, Google just chose to only support it at 5 watts.
So we're still lacking evidence.
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mhammett said:
Yeah, that doesn't cover it at all. What does? A screenshot of a battery information app before the update. That's all that's needed to confirm. I'm not willing to purchase a new Pixel 3 just to find out. No, I probably can't just downgrade as it may have included updated firmware that wouldn't be downgraded.
No, Google has not commented on the matter. The article said so specifically that Google would not comment, "We asked Google on numerous occasions if the "rapid" label was merely an oversight but never received a response. We've reached out again and will update if we have any additional information to share." No update.
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They chose not to comment about the question if it was intentional or not. NOT of what the actual usage is. They responded directly about the actual implementation. Couldn't be any more clear really. Please, keep things in order, they replied directly on October 23rd, your quote was from Nov. 5th, after the update.
Not sure why you choose to be so blind to the information presented. Why would all the blogs post articles that say its showing the incorrect information (and calling it a **** move by Google to boot), if it was showing the correct information?? IE: charging rapidly, if it were indeed charging rapidly? Makes zero sense.
Also, you were presented with screen shots of it charging prior to the update, but you seem to think they are invalid. In addition one of the articles quoted also cites a user who read it reading 500mA (when it should be much higher), but again you seem to ignore that. He reached out to a third party manuf. who states exactly what the blogs and everyone else (including Google) who seems to be involved that it is only charging at 5w. What do they have to gain by lying?

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They chose not to comment about the question if it was intentional or not. NOT of what the actual usage is. They responded directly about the actual implementation. Couldn't be any more clear really. Please, keep things in order, they replied directly on October 23rd, your quote was from Nov. 5th, after the update.
Not sure why you choose to be so blind to the information presented. Why would all the blogs post articles that say its showing the incorrect information (and calling it a **** move by Google to boot), if it was showing the correct information?? IE: charging rapidly, if it were indeed charging rapidly? Makes zero sense.
Also, you were presented with screen shots of it charging prior to the update, but you seem to think they are invalid. In addition one of the articles quoted also cites a user who read it reading 500mA (when it should be much higher), but again you seem to ignore that. He reached out to a third party manuf. who states exactly what the blogs and everyone else (including Google) who seems to be involved that it is only charging at 5w. What do they have to gain by lying?
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Do we know if the screenshots showing 500 ma were done without the update? That information wasn't portrayed in any of the posts.
The reason I keep going down this road is that it is a very real possibility and there has been no information to refute it yet. The information you keep quoting doesn't say what you think it says. Just because that's what Google intended to do with the platform doesn't mean that's what it did on RTM.
I don't know why you keep beating on the fact that all of these people say Qi is limited to 5 watts and Google DRM for 10 watts. It's only tangentially related to if they actually had that switch turned on in the RTM firmware or if it was a reporting error.
My quote from Android Central doesn't leave much to the imagination. Was it an oversight? The alternative was that it was broken. Either are certainly possible, but which is it?
I'm not ignoring any information in any of the pages you've linked to. They just don't say what you think they say. There is no lying, there's just a lack of information.
My quote on Android Police asking Google for clarification is from the November 5th article. That means as of November 5th, Google hadn't officially provided any information on the matter.

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Do we know if the screenshots showing 500 ma were done without the update? That information wasn't portrayed in any of the posts.
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YES. They are all posted on Oct. 23rd, well before the update was made available (Nov. 5th the update came out).
NO ONE has ever proven that it was actually charging rapidly wirelessly(yet there are a multitude of posts about it NOT charging rapidly), while it displayed charging rapidly, not even yourself, even anecdotally (prior to the update Nov. 5th) with a third party charger. Of course it does with the Pixel Stand.
Many articles however to the contrary were written that it displays charging rapidly, but in fact it isn't. ALL well in advance of the update being available.
All the articles say exactly the same thing, which is what you seem to be ignoring, for some reason. The phone indicated fast wireless charging, when in fact it wasn't charging rapidly. All well in advance of the update. You were shown screen shots here on XDA by users, one with both a third party charger as well as pixel stand that directly corroborates the assertion that while they reported fast charging, they weren't actually being charged rapidly. Many blogs then took up the article calling out Google for a ****ty business practice of crippling third party chargers to 5w (slow), but yet showing on the phone that it was rapidly charging. Your argument is the opposite of what everyone, including Google has reported on the subject. Even a third party engineer from Anker, who makes a ton of accessories for android phones says they were limited (again BEFORE the update was out).
Im sure that all the blogs writing about it, users posting about it here, and elsewhere across the internet are all lying. Even XDA says it, but Im sure you don't believe them either. See this article dated Oct. 23rd, ISSUE #9: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3-pixel-3-xl-issues-problems-help-list/

Looking for feedback on Sprint Note 20 Ultra 3.1 update from 3.0

I've watched a few youtube videos on the 3.1 update, (but not many available). None of them really saying if they like the update better than 3.0. I know this happened with Oreo to Pie where there were a lot complaints. I been on the Note since the 1st Note 2 consistently so obvious a fan of the Note series.
Now that I'm on 3.0 and I don't really have any gripes I wanted to see if the update is worth it, (beside the object remover and a few other small changes). Basically looking to get a quick census on who actually likes the update and who regrets they updated. I've seen some issues with 5G in another thread but also wanted to hear from some members that either like it or hate it before I jump in.
(if there is a specific thread about this please feel free to move this moderators)

3.1 is rock solid for me. Everything works beyond my expectations. I've noticed 3.1 loves RAM. I hover around 8gb used most of the time where as 2.5 was ~5gb and 3.0 was ~6.5.

Buck420 said:
3.1 is rock solid for me. Everything works beyond my expectations. I've noticed 3.1 loves RAM. I hover around 8gb used most of the time where as 2.5 was ~5gb and 3.0 was ~6.5.
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I didn't get a notification a reply came through. I appreciate the feedback. I'm at around 7.2 gb on 3. I noticed some people they liked 2.5 while I while others say they're missing features on 3.1 and small camera stuff. I may jump in to 3.1 then. I'm kind of debating rooting it prior to make it more interesting since I'll have this for a while but we'll see.

Let me tell you why 3.1 sucks. All your wireless fast chargers will stop fast charging, unless they are Samsung brand. Otherwise you will only be able to slow charge no matter what power supply or cable you use. It must be Samsung to fast charge.
Do a Google search and you will see countless people who are pissed off about this. I have several wireless chargers throughout the house and in the car, none of them can fast charge now, and there's not way in hell I'm buying OEM Samsung chargers and the crazy current asking price.

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Let me tell you why 3.1 sucks. All your wireless fast chargers will stop fast charging, unless they are Samsung brand. Otherwise you will only be able to slow charge no matter what power supply or cable you use. It must be Samsung to fast charge.
Do a Google search and you will see countless people who are pissed off about this. I have several wireless chargers throughout the house and in the car, none of them can fast charge now, and there's not way in hell I'm buying OEM Samsung chargers and the crazy current asking price.
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Wow, how is that even legal. It's very hard to maintain good faith in a company when they show such blatant disregard for their customers. This helps no one but them and negatively affects millions of consumers and countless companies that make accessories.

That's nuts. I don't do much wireless charging since they're never as fast as the regular or supercharge but I'd be pissed losing any feature as basic as that for such an expensive phone. I haven't updated or rooted yet but I won't rush it at this point. Everything works good for me. I also seen people complaining about losing 5G which is nuts. I'm on Sprint/T Mobil.. Last thing I need is worst data.. Thanks for the replies

Question Samsung Z Flip 3 as Dedicated Hotspot

With the prices on Z Flip 3 lately, I was considering snagging one to use as a dedicated hotspot. I’d love some advice.
iPhone user who can’t stand the built-in hotspot that doesn’t broadcast all the time. It works great for Apple devices that have same AppleID…not so much for others. I just want something that I can keep in my backpack and it’s just ready. Considering the Nighthawk 5G is $400…might as well get this.
Would prefer to use a widget to control the hotspot from the outside display and not have to flip open to use. I see there are some options there. Any tips or cool widgets to be aware of?
My wireless plans have 40-50GB of hotspot included, but I’d rather mask the hotspot so that it doesn’t come from that bank. Do I need to root? Or are there some apps that I can still download that do that?
Ethernet tethering…does that mean with an adapter I can hook up to my home Wi-Fi router as the source when our home internet goes out?
Anything else I’m not considering?
Thanks in advance for the advice!

A 3300 mAh battery isn't all that much power...

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A 3300 mAh battery isn't all that much power...
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Good point. The dedicated hotspots generally have 4500-5500. Though I’ve seen that wireless charging with MagSafe works with a ring, and I have plenty of chargers that would be pretty convenient.

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Good point. The dedicated hotspots generally have 4500-5500. Though I’ve seen that wireless charging with MagSafe works with a ring, and I have plenty of chargers that would be pretty convenient.
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Depending on the current usage with screen off running as a hot spot constantly being on a charger may not work well. Phones aren't designed to be charged with the screen on ie in a high current drain state.
If it does maintain a 100% charge state... high temperatures and high cell voltage degrade an Li the quickest.
In the end midrange power cycling (40-80%) may yield a better Li lifespan.

farnlc said:
With the prices on Z Flip 3 lately, I was considering snagging one to use as a dedicated hotspot. I’d love some advice.
iPhone user who can’t stand the built-in hotspot that doesn’t broadcast all the time. It works great for Apple devices that have same AppleID…not so much for others. I just want something that I can keep in my backpack and it’s just ready. Considering the Nighthawk 5G is $400…might as well get this.
Would prefer to use a widget to control the hotspot from the outside display and not have to flip open to use. I see there are some options there. Any tips or cool widgets to be aware of?
My wireless plans have 40-50GB of hotspot included, but I’d rather mask the hotspot so that it doesn’t come from that bank. Do I need to root? Or are there some apps that I can still download that do that?
Ethernet tethering…does that mean with an adapter I can hook up to my home Wi-Fi router as the source when our home internet goes out?
Anything else I’m not considering?
Thanks in advance for the advice!
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1. There are a lot of options out there before buying a phone to do it. Make sure you've considered all of them, such as https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09742XJB1 (~$190)
2. By default, it's not an option. There are a couple options out there to run apps and widgets on the cover. You'll find them here.
3. Apps still exist that can run a hotspot separate from whatever your carrier claims is the limit. It's my understanding that the limit is bandwidth added, whereas using a third-party hotspot borrows the bandwidth from your phone. In your case, it won't make much difference not using the phone.
4. Using adapters, it is possible. That isn't to say it will be effective, since you would be using a single 5G connection broken down into a portion for each device connected to it. It's a bit like ordering one pizza. Either the slices need to be smaller or less people need to eat.
5. Phone hotspots are meant for when you run into trouble and someone needs to borrow internet or you have a tablet that would be better for completing a task. It's not a long-term solution by any means.
If you really want to buy a phone to run a hotspot, there are far better options. You can limit some battery use with the cover screen by running a full launcher on it, but that only compensates for the smaller device battery. At the end of the day, you trade that extra time you would have every time you are running the hotspot with the screen off for the few times you have to change settings not using as much power on that run. It would only really make sense if you already had the phone and were repurposing it.
https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-battery-Unlocked-Camera-Silver/dp/B08NWD7K8H
$229 for 5G and a 5000 mAh battery makes a lot more sense.

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1. There are a lot of options out there before buying a phone to do it. Make sure you've considered all of them, such as https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09742XJB1 (~$190)
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A dedicated hotspot would be fine, but I plan on using SIM cards on phone plans or iPad plans. I wouldn't want to use anything that would trigger a flag.
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4. Using adapters, it is possible. That isn't to say it will be effective, since you would be using a single 5G connection broken down into a portion for each device connected to it. It's a bit like ordering one pizza. Either the slices need to be smaller or less people need to eat.
5. Phone hotspots are meant for when you run into trouble and someone needs to borrow internet or you have a tablet that would be better for completing a task. It's not a long-term solution by any means.
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No arguments here. Every once in a blue moon we have a disconnect at home and we need to fire up hotspots. If I had an option to integrate into our router so that I didn't have to update all the connection settings that would be cool.
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If you really want to buy a phone to run a hotspot, there are far better options. You can limit some battery use with the cover screen by running a full launcher on it, but that only compensates for the smaller device battery. At the end of the day, you trade that extra time you would have every time you are running the hotspot with the screen off for the few times you have to change settings not using as much power on that run. It would only really make sense if you already had the phone and were repurposing it.
https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-battery-Unlocked-Camera-Silver/dp/B08NWD7K8H
$229 for 5G and a 5000 mAh battery makes a lot more sense.
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I appreciate the recommendation. The main appeal to this device is the form factor. If I'm going to run phone as hotspot I want it to be as small/compact as possible - understanding the trade-off in battery life. What I really want is a Palm Companion sized phone that I can program a launcher to only control the hotspot and lock the screen so it doesn't go into any other interface. Basically - act like a hotspot device - but have a phone IMEI that's less traceable.

farnlc said:
A dedicated hotspot would be fine, but I plan on using SIM cards on phone plans or iPad plans. I wouldn't want to use anything that would trigger a flag.
No arguments here. Every once in a blue moon we have a disconnect at home and we need to fire up hotspots. If I had an option to integrate into our router so that I didn't have to update all the connection settings that would be cool.
I appreciate the recommendation. The main appeal to this device is the form factor. If I'm going to run phone as hotspot I want it to be as small/compact as possible - understanding the trade-off in battery life. What I really want is a Palm Companion sized phone that I can program a launcher to only control the hotspot and lock the screen so it doesn't go into any other interface. Basically - act like a hotspot device - but have a phone IMEI that's less traceable.
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If the Ticwris MAX devices were 5G, I'd recommend that. They're 2600 mAh, but about the size of a Zippo. One thing I've learned, though, is if you approach a list of cons trying to justify how to accept or overcome them, you've already decided. Best thing to do is make sure you can return it if it's not what you hoped.