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[Q] What happens with root?

Hello XDA members
I was wondering, when the new android sandwich comes out, and you got a rooted and S-off HTC sensation. But not custom rom. What will happen to the root and S-off when you update to the new android sandwich?
Thanks

Want to know too ahehhe

We'll lose root but keep S-OFF I'd imagine

Cool, thanks for the answer

I have perm-rooted my Sensation and i was wondering when the new official update from HTC comes out will i be able to install it automatically like when i was not rooted or because i am S-Off it will not let me?
Thanks

i could be wrong but no you wont be able to perform an ota update. im only saying this because the last ota update failed because the update looks for the stock recovery in order to update the system. seeing that you are rooted i assume you have cwm installed and if this ota update does indeed look for the stock recovery than it will fail. the only way around this is to either instal a stock ruu and lose root or instal the stock recovery and again lose root. either way you are gonna lose root.

Could you give me a link where there is a guide to install the stock recovery?

TheStigx said:
Could you give me a link where there is a guide to install the stock recovery?
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If you check the development forum, there's a thread which has shipped roms in it. Flash one to restore stock recovery.
Panagiotis. said:
I have perm-rooted my Sensation and i was wondering when the new official update from HTC comes out will i be able to install it automatically like when i was not rooted or because i am S-Off it will not let me?
Thanks
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Depends. If you're just running the original rom which came on your phone but rooted, it should still allow ota updates, but you'll lose root (but keep s-off). If you're on a custom rom you won't receive an ota.
To OP, if you ran an ruu or ota of ice cream sandwich, as eddy says, you'll lose root but remain s-off. That said, a custom ics rom will probably come out weeks/months before an official HTC update

Well, when we got the RUU, we can extract and repack to our rooted ROM

It should be this if i am right ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559

satanevil said:
Well, when we got the RUU, we can extract and repack to our rooted ROM
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That's true, but we'll see aosp ics roms long before we have sense skinned ones, as cyanogen et al don't need to spend months porting frameworks.
TheStigx said:
It should be this if i am right ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
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That's the one

BTaylor927 said:
Depends. If you're just running the original rom which came on your phone but rooted, it should still allow ota updates, but you'll lose root (but keep s-off). If you're on a custom rom you won't receive an ota.
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Yes I am running the stock rom so I will receive the pta update. I know that I will lose root in every scenario if I install the stock ROM one way or another.
Thanks.
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So i just flash one of these roms, without deleting cache or doing a reset ?

not entirely true. i was rooted on stock rom when the last ota rolled out. i tried installing it but it failed. i did a lil search here and found a few people mentioned that it failed due to cwm and they also mentioned that you should try flashing back the stock recovery. i tried that and it installed successfully. easy way to get the stock recovery is to instal the correct ruu of your rom. but as we all know it wipes out everything off your phone. i did find this guide which the stigx has asked for (sorry buddy didnt see you there ) which shows you how to extracted the stock recovery off of the ruu and than flash it back to your phone.
check here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1228648

Divine flaw said:
not entirely true. i was rooted on stock rom when the last ota rolled out. i tried installing it but it failed. i did a lil search here and found a few people mentioned that it failed due to cwm and they also mentioned that you should try flashing back the stock recovery. i tried that and it installed successfully. easy way to get the stock recovery is to instal the correct ruu of your rom. but as we all know it wipes out everything off your phone. i did find this guide which the stigx has asked for (sorry buddy didnt see you there ) which shows you how to extracted the stock recovery off of the ruu and than flash it back to your phone.
check here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1228648
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But if I need to follow your guide i have to have the OTA update file,w hich haven't comet out yet. What do i Do? It seems so hard to remove root and custom recovery :'(
But thank for your answer !

well the general idea is to get your stock recovery back without losin your data. so really all you need to do is flash your stock recovery reboot your phone and check for updates. if updates are available: system>about phone>check for updates, download the update and install. it shouldnt fail cause you have stock recovery instead of cwm. in short just do the top part of the guide and skip the rest cause you dont have the updates file on your computer.

So if i do step 1-12 I will have normal phone? Just like I started or do i still keep root?
Thank you so much for your hep !

TheStigx said:
Could you give me a link where there is a guide to install the stock recovery?
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You can also use this software to install the stock recovery. that way you don't loose settings by installing RUU

TheStigx said:
So if i do step 1-12 I will have normal phone? Just like I started or do i still keep root?
Thank you so much for your hep !
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yes you do 1-12 but you keep root. the only difference is that you will no longer have cwm for flashing, back up, and all other goodies. but once you run the ota and it installs you lose root.
but have a look at the link frederikh just posted. seems alot better than the current method. im reading over it now

Thanks for the answers!
I think i will go with the link frederikh gave me But God bless you Divine! Thank you for your help !

[Q] Can i use Nand backup of stock to restore and then update firmware?

hello XDA,
im currently running cleanrom 4.0 (amazing rom btw) . before i flashed any roms i made a nand backup of stock 1.73. if i went ahead and restored that backup would i be able to go ahead and run an OTA update then re-root / re-unlock if needed? i know i can install the RUU but if restoring the backup could work, itd make it easier lol. im not planning to do this, but i am wanting to find out just in case and for the future. thank you for your time

Genetic517 said:
hello XDA,
im currently running cleanrom 4.0 (amazing rom btw) . before i flashed any roms i made a nand backup of stock 1.73. if i went ahead and restored that backup would i be able to go ahead and run an OTA update then re-root / re-unlock if needed? i know i can install the RUU but if restoring the backup could work, itd make it easier lol. im not planning to do this, but i am wanting to find out just in case and for the future. thank you for your time
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Yes you can do that but there's no reason to IMHO

gunnyman said:
Yes you can do that but there's no reason to IMHO
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thank you gunny (thanked :good: ) . and yes i do agree, but if i ever wanted to go back to stock (for whatever reason) this to me would be easier than installing an RUU.

Genetic517 said:
thank you gunny (thanked :good: ) . and yes i do agree, but if i ever wanted to go back to stock (for whatever reason) this to me would be easier than installing an RUU.
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You mean returning to rooted 1.73 with custom recovery, not returning to stock.
If you really want to return to stock (but BL still unlocked, of course) its much easier to run the RUU.
Also, if your intent is to update to "official" later build (like 1.85) you are better off running the RUU, or a pre-rooted recovery-flashable version. OTAs are just patches, not a clean install, and usually cause more problems then RUU. Restoring from scratch is not that hard (especially with Titanium) and you will be better off in the long run.

redpoint73 said:
You mean returning to rooted 1.73 with custom recovery, not returning to stock.
If you really want to return to stock (but BL still unlocked, of course) its much easier to run the RUU.
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thanks red. i thought it was fairly difficult to run the ruu and return to 100% stock? i guess i am mistaken, im new to this (clearly) . my apologies

RUU is super easy to run if you have Windows that is.

gunnyman said:
RUU is super easy to run if you have Windows that is.
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yup, sure do! just download file, connect phone and run? thought there was a bit more to it than that (editing files etc) .

Genetic517 said:
yup, sure do! just download file, connect phone and run? thought there was a bit more to it than that (editing files etc) .
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Relock the bootloader and run the RUU exe, that's it.

Genetic517 said:
yup, sure do! just download file, connect phone and run? thought there was a bit more to it than that (editing files etc) .
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you only have to re-lock the bootloader.
That's it

redpoint73 said:
Relock the bootloader and run the RUU exe, that's it.
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gunnyman said:
you only have to re-lock the bootloader.
That's it
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alrighty then. thank you both for your time, appreciate it.

Just got this phone, and have a few questions about rooting.

Hey guys, ive just bought one of these and its on 4.4.2. Its not giving me a notification for the lollipop OTA, but the HTC sync software says there is one. Now my question is, Should I root and unlock bootloader before doing the update or after? Which one would be a less time consuming process? Also, are there any methods of unlocking the bootloader without using the sunshine app? I guess ill pay if i have no choice, but ill have to wait till next month before i have the money to do so and im itching to remove this godawful verzion bloat. One last thing, i bought the phone from a reseller in India, and am using it on a GSM network currently, but will use it with a CDMA one in future (its working now, tested on 2 CDMA networks). I just want to make sure that updating will not stop it from working with Indian CDMA.

You can use the weaksauce method. Then I would flash the 5.1 lolliGPE ROM. Its a well-developed rom.

vladniko said:
You can use the weaksauce method. Then I would flash the 5.1 lolliGPE ROM. Its a well-developed rom.
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Thanks for your reply. So im on 4.4.2. Ill use weaksauce, then what do you suggest for unlocking my bootloader?

I'd say firewater but I cant find the link for it

vladniko said:
I'd say firewater but I cant find the link for it
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firewater has been discontinued.

Hey,
Just rooted m8 verizon.
They only thing which is actually works right now it Sunshine.
You can purchase it for 25$ from here:
http://theroot.ninja/
After that, you download SuInstaller, then restart the phone.
Then - install from google play "SuperSu" app.
Enter it, choose - "normal", wait a few secs.
Thats it. You have permanent root.
Good luck, mate

Chopinko said:
Hey,
Just rooted m8 verizon.
They only thing which is actually works right now it Sunshine.
You can purchase it for 25$ from here:
http://theroot.ninja/
After that, you download SuInstaller, then restart the phone.
Then - install from google play "SuperSu" app.
Enter it, choose - "normal", wait a few secs.
Thats it. You have permanent root.
Good luck, mate
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Thanks man, sunshine it is. Will probably do it next month. Just one thing, does it work on 5.0 or should i stick around on 4.4.2?

sid3091 said:
Thanks man, sunshine it is. Will probably do it next month. Just one thing, does it work on 5.0 or should i stick around on 4.4.2?
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MUCH easier to do on 4.4.2! Run Sunshine - bingo.
On 5.0.1 (and only the earlier version 4.17.605.5 - not on the latest update 4.17.605.9, you have to downgrade to .5 to get S-Off at all) you have to jump through quite a few hoops with King Root for Sunshine to gain root long enough to S-Off.
S-Off NOW.
Then update every which way you like: OTA if you didn't change anything else, flashing a RUU or just the 5.0.1 firmware and a corresponding ROM - your choic

berndblb said:
MUCH easier to do on 4.4.2! Run Sunshine - bingo.
On 5.0.1 (and only the earlier version 4.17.605.5 - not on the latest update 4.17.605.9, you have to downgrade to .5 to get S-Off at all) you have to jump through quite a few hoops with King Root for Sunshine to gain root long enough to S-Off.
S-Off NOW.
Then update every which way you like: OTA if you didn't change anything else, flashing a RUU or just the 5.0.1 firmware and a corresponding ROM - your choice.
4.17.605.9 you can downgrade to 4.17.605.5
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Thanks! S-off now and a 5.0 ROM seems to be the way to go!

5.0 ROM or 5.0 OTA if you don't mind the VZW bloat. I have been putting off loading a ROM on this replacement unit because I very much like Sense and I'm waiting for some stable Sense7 ROMS that don't have a bunch of VZW caveats. Dottat has a stock ROM and a stock debloated ROM which is pretty ok.
You basically just have to pick Sense or GPE or AOSP, once you're S-OFF you really can't go wrong unless you are hasty or don't read instructions.

berndblb said:
MUCH easier to do on 4.4.2! Run Sunshine - bingo.
On 5.0.1 (and only the earlier version 4.17.605.5 - not on the latest update 4.17.605.9, you have to downgrade to .5 to get S-Off at all) you have to jump through quite a few hoops with King Root for Sunshine to gain root long enough to S-Off.
S-Off NOW.
Then update every which way you like: OTA if you didn't change anything else, flashing a RUU or just the 5.0.1 firmware and a corresponding ROM - your choic
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Hey ive finally got s-off and bootloader unlock via sunshine, but i cant seem to be able to install twrp. it just gets stuck on the entering recovery screen. Ive tried installing it via windroid and flashify(using weaksauce), but neither seems to be working. Any idea what to do?

Flash it in fastboot. If you don't know how then now is the time to learn.

cntryby429 said:
Flash it in fastboot. If you don't know how then now is the time to learn.
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Did that as well. still gets stuck at the booting into recovery screen.

sid3091 said:
Did that as well. still gets stuck at the booting into recovery screen.
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Try fastboot erase cache
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dottat said:
Try fastboot erase cache
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Hey, I tried that and still no luck. Im at my wits end here. Could it be possible that the latest version of twrp is incompatible with 4.4.2?

sid3091 said:
Hey, I tried that and still no luck. Im at my wits end here. Could it be possible that the latest version of twrp is incompatible with 4.4.2?
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Yes that could be possible. Did you try an older one?

dottat said:
Yes that could be possible. Did you try an older one?
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nope. any recommendations on which version to try?

sid3091 said:
nope. any recommendations on which version to try?
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You could flash this in ruu mode or unzip and flash the recovery.img in it.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23622183712469358
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dottat said:
You could flash this in ruu mode or unzip and flash the recovery.img in it.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23622183712469358
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I was planning to use your RUU(pre rooted) only. Just one final confirmation, when exactly do i flash the recovery during the install of the RUU?

sid3091 said:
I was planning to use your RUU(pre rooted) only. Just one final confirmation, when exactly do i flash the recovery during the install of the RUU?
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Afterwards. The ruu doesn't contain twrp
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TMobile ruu

Is there a stock RUU to get me back to stock everything? I looked but only found one for the unlocked version

AsuraDas said:
Is there a stock RUU to get me back to stock everything? I looked but only found one for the unlocked version
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There's not one released yet. And most of us flashed other things that made it difficult to update. Later I will upload the patched system. Img and firmware zip. So others can have Oreo if they aren't able to update. Only downside is we lose twrp until I make one for 8.0 or someone else does.

twinnfamous said:
There's not one released yet. And most of us flashed other things that made it difficult to update. Later I will upload the patched system. Img and firmware zip. So others can have Oreo if they aren't able to update. Only downside is we lose twrp until I make one for 8.0 or someone else does.
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Right now the phone is completely stock. Would flashing stock recovery allow me to upgrade to Oreo?

twinnfamous said:
There's not one released yet. And most of us flashed other things that made it difficult to update. Later I will upload the patched system. Img and firmware zip. So others can have Oreo if they aren't able to update. Only downside is we lose twrp until I make one for 8.0 or someone else does.
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Right now the phone is completely stock. Would flashing stock recovery allow me to upgrade to Oreo?

AsuraDas said:
Right now the phone is completely stock. Would flashing stock recovery allow me to upgrade to Oreo?
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It should let u

Do you know where I could get a stock recovery?

AsuraDas said:
Do you know where I could get a stock recovery?
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There's the t mobile one linked in the twrp thread in the dev forum section. Twinn uploaded it

AsuraDas said:
Is there a stock RUU to get me back to stock everything? I looked but only found one for the unlocked version
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there is now
http://dl3.htc.com/application/RUU_OCEAN_LIFE_UL_O80_SENSE90GP_MR_TMOUS_2.15.531.6.exe

twinnfamous said:
there is now
http://dl3.htc.com/application/RUU_OCEAN_LIFE_UL_O80_SENSE90GP_MR_TMOUS_2.15.531.6.exe
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Nice.

twinnfamous said:
there is now
http://dl3.htc.com/application/RUU_OCEAN_LIFE_UL_O80_SENSE90GP_MR_TMOUS_2.15.531.6.exe
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A big TTHHHAANNNKKK yyooouuu Twinnfamous. I made a big mistake & relived the bootloader & this definitely pull me out the tight problem I was in when my phone bricked

Anyone know where I can find the RUU now? That ^^ link is dead, and I'm finding it impossible to find it via google/duckduckgo

Ota 1.21.617.3

Are there any working procedures to take this OTA. I am rooted, unlocked, ability to boot TWRP, and ability to go S-OFF. How do we take this update?

Right now, only way is RUU to 1.15.617.4 then take update.

schmeggy929 said:
Right now, only way is RUU to 1.15.617.4 then take update.
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I am currently on 1.15.617.4.

jrocka312 said:
I am currently on 1.15.617.4.
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Yes I know, you need an untouched System Image. Since you were rooted, uninstalling Magisk and becoming unrooted, it was still touched. Right now there is only one way to take OTA, that is downloading RUU.zip. Placing it on SDcard and booting to download mode. You will also need to have a 32Gb SDcard as mode will not see the zip. Once you are completely stock you can take the OTA.

schmeggy929 said:
Yes I know, you need an untouched System Image. Since you were rooted, uninstalling Magisk and becoming unrooted, it was still touched. Right now there is only one way to take OTA, that is downloading RUU.zip. Placing it on SDcard and booting to download mode. You will also need to have a 32Gb SDcard as mode will not see the zip. Once you are completely stock you can take the OTA.
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Thank you...guess I will wait for a solution..... Thanks again.

jrocka312 said:
Thank you...guess I will wait for a solution..... Thanks again.
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Dude, no need to wait. This is the only solution right now and might be ever. I had to do it too, even restoring system.img from ruu.zip in twrp didn't fix it, because there are other partitions tempered too
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DeeZZ_NuuZZ said:
Dude, no need to wait. This is the only solution right now and might be ever. I had to do it too, even restoring system.img from ruu.zip in twrp didn't fix it, because there are other partitions tempered too
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I'm not sure why everyone had to ruu. I just flashed back stock boot img and it went fine.

beaups said:
I'm not sure why everyone had to ruu. I just flashed back stock boot img and it went fine.
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So I just uninstalled magisk.... downloading OTA now and I should be good to go correct?

beaups said:
I'm not sure why everyone had to ruu. I just flashed back stock boot img and it went fine.
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For me and others with magisk installed it didn't worked out. Flashed stock boot, but something else seemed to be triggered...needed to flash ruu and take backup with twrp of the system_image and vendor_image in case something goes wrong again . Leedroid fixed it with those backups
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The OTA failed for me also. I am also having trouble flashing an RUU. Can anyone point me to one? A guide would be great too as I am sort of a noob.

I have tried everything...asked everywhere.... Nothing at this time. I would love a guide.....nothing yet.

I am going on a few days with little sleep but can someone clarify why we need the OTA and can't just flash the firmware once available?

beaups said:
I'm not sure why everyone had to ruu. I just flashed back stock boot img and it went fine.
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You got a device with permanent S-OFF? Flashing back boot seams to work on those, but on S-ON/unlocked devices with temporary S-OFF another partition seems to get tempered and checkt later on during the OTA process. Don't know which on, but all S-ON devices, that had been unlocked and rooted up to now had to RUU back to take the OTA successfully. Applies to such fellow members as @LeeDroid as well. So I'm wondering what you did different to all those affected.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
You got a device with permanent S-OFF? Flashing back boot seams to work on those, but on S-ON/unlocked devices with temporary S-OFF another partition seems to get tempered and checkt later on during the OTA process. Don't know which on, but all S-ON devices, that had been unlocked and rooted up to now had to RUU back to take the OTA successfully. Applies to such fellow members as @LeeDroid as well. So I'm wondering what you did different to all those affected.
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No I have a regular production device. Just like normal, I don't use Xposed and never mounted system RW so just flashing back the stock boot img worked fine for me...same as on previous devices. One other possibility is my device shows status official (sunshine does that), maybe the ota update is checking that.
--beaups

beaups said:
No I have a regular production device. Just like normal, I don't use Xposed and never mounted system RW so just flashing back the stock boot img worked fine for me...same as on previous devices. One other possibility is my device shows status official (sunshine does that), maybe the ota update is checking that.
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Well that might be it. Will run sunshine and test again, as soon as I got time and restored the software state back to official.
Edit: hope I understood correctly. SunShine does temp S-OFF and set the flag back to official from modified in the same step, right @beaups!?
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well that might be it. Will run sunshine and test again, as soon as I got time and restored the software state back to official.
Edit: hope I understood correctly. SunShine does temp S-OFF and set the flag back to official from modified in the same step, right @beaups!?
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Correct.

beaups said:
Correct.
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Cool beans. Thanks for this little heads-up and all the work done by you regarding SunShine and S-OFF!

beaups said:
Correct.
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When running Sunshine, is the Software changing from Modified to Official a temporary thing as well? Or lets say i run Sunshine once will it always display Official when booting to bootloader/Download mode?

jrocka312 said:
I have tried everything...asked everywhere.... Nothing at this time. I would love a guide.....nothing yet.
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Finally flashed an RUU. used this guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/u12-plus/how-to/collection-htcu-u12-ruu-firmware-t3794664
post 3 number 1 (sd card method) must have <32gb micro sd. It wouldnt allow me to flash through USB. IDK why.
The RUU came from here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76606102&postcount=2
in process of installing OTA and it is working.

shango22 said:
Finally flashed an RUU. used this guide
https://forum.xda-developers.com/u12-plus/how-to/collection-htcu-u12-ruu-firmware-t3794664
post 3 number 1 (sd card method) must have <32gb micro sd. It wouldnt allow me to flash through USB. IDK why.
The RUU came from here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76606102&postcount=2
in process of installing OTA and it is working.
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Thank you! Unfortunately my SD Card is 64GB so it isn't going to work...