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Question: Is Mi4 still worth it?

Hi Guys, I'm wondering if Mi4 is still worth it to get today. I have the chance on also getting the Mi4C instead. So I would like to know your experience with it and if you have had the chance to try and compare it to the Mi4C, what would you recommend me to go for.
Mi4 or Mi4C
I wonder if is it a deal breaker to get the Mi4c over the Mi4, taking in count both cameras and the processor. Considering also both with 3 gb ram, and software development such as custom roms and xiaomi official firmware.
Thanks

amiguielesl said:
Hi Guys, I'm wondering if Mi4 is still worth it to get today. I have the chance on also getting the Mi4C instead. So I would like to know your experience with it and if you have had the chance to try and compare it to the Mi4C, what would you recommend me to go for.
Mi4 or Mi4C
I wonder if is it a deal breaker to get the Mi4c over the Mi4, taking in count both cameras and the processor. Considering also both with 3 gb ram, and software development such as custom roms and xiaomi official firmware.
Thanks
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I did get the mi4 because:
- Better design (in my opinion)
- possibility to install w10
- more roms ( i think)
and in terms of performance and camera they are almost equal.

Mi4 should have better camera, F1.8 aperture size.

I am going to buy a new smartphone and the 2 alternatives are Mi4 3gb no LTE (my operator uses mainly 800mhz lte) and Redmi Note 3 Pro 3gb. Prices are $160 for Mi4 and $216 for Redmi. I don´t like phablet but the newer hardware of Redmi Note 3 Pro is also interesting... Any advice?

I'm not a pro, so my advice may be wrong, but I believe the Mi4 kernal is open so you can will get more longer term custom ROM support (eg Cyanogenmod) where as the Redmi might have better specs, but the kernel source may never be released and therefor you'll be restricted to whatever version of MIUI Xiaomi choose to releases on the device. I was faced with exactly the same choice and went with the Mi4. Infact I am about to install CM13 on it.

rimpy said:
I'm not a pro, so my advice may be wrong, but I believe the Mi4 kernal is open so you can will get more longer term custom ROM support (eg Cyanogenmod) where as the Redmi might have better specs, but the kernel source may never be released and therefor you'll be restricted to whatever version of MIUI Xiaomi choose to releases on the device. I was faced with exactly the same choice and went with the Mi4. Infact I am about to install CM13 on it.
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Thanks but Xiaomi has already released the kernel source for Redmi Note 3 Pro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/how-to/kernel-source-redmi-note-3-pro-t3349609

mdki1996 said:
Thanks but Xiaomi has already released the kernel source for Redmi Note 3 Pro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/how-to/kernel-source-redmi-note-3-pro-t3349609
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Ah, I was actually thinking of the Redmi Note 2 which hasn't got a kernel release if I'm not mistaken. I would go for the Note 3 in your case. Better specs, and bigger screen is a good thing too.

Not to bump a thread a few days old, but I'd say the Mi 4. I just bought one on sale for $145 or so with shipping. I was torn as well but the hardware is what appeals to me the most. I also like how you can install Windows Phone 10 on it, I might do that for a few days just to reminisce of my WP days.

It seems that Android N won't come to Honor 6 and 6 plus. Is it true ?

Since Honor 6 and 6 plus are running on Kirin 920, 925 which doesn't support Vulcan API, it seems that it can't be updated to Nougat.
Will Honor provide it by any alternate means, if any?
Got it from Wiki that Kirin 920 and 925 won't support Vulcan API. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)

most probably it wont get as the gpu fails to be compatible with vulkan

I don't think so

Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.

MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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yeah, thats so sad.
mainly because of some stupid decison made by google

MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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I agree with you, because of this many great smartphones (like GS5, 1+1 G3...etc) won't get official update

MaRtYy01 said:
Personally,I think google must remove vulcan api as requirement for update.Its like:
''Your phone has the power to handle the next at least 3 android versions,but since your gpu doesnt support vulcan api,which practically has nothing to do with running the os,fock off.''
I also think that 2 versions forward update thing should be broken,I mean we have ultra fast device with 3gb ram,it just doesnt make sense to get stuck on marshmallow,when some phones which are much weaker than our will get nougat.I even got the phone in the end of july...
Meanwhile apple bricking iphone 5 with ios 10.
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It can be optional but not compulsary.
In Honor series of smartphone this affects Honor 6, 6 plus and 7.

PalakMi said:
I agree with you, because of this many great smartphones (like GS5, 1+1 G3...etc) won't get official update
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Yes indeed.The 2014 generation flagships finished the progress that the 2013 ones started,what I mean is that they are still running on almost full speed as on their launch,older flagships(galaxy s3 is a perfect example) started to get pretty laggy at some point.If vulcan api is the thing that stopped the breaking of the 2 versions forward update scheme,I hope that at least the 2015 gen ones will do it when android 8 comes out.
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vsriram92 said:
It can be optional but not compulsary.
In Honor series of smartphone this affects Honor 6, 6 plus and 7.
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I hope at least honor 7 will get the update.Its just 1 year old and got just 1 major update,deserves nougat for sure.

MaRtYy01 said:
Yes indeed.The 2014 generation flagships finished the progress that the 2013 ones started,what I mean is that they are still running on almost full speed as on their launch,older flagships(galaxy s3 is a perfect example) started to get pretty laggy at some point.If vulcan api is the thing that stopped the breaking of the 2 versions forward update scheme,I hope that at least the 2015 gen ones will do it when android 8 comes out.
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most phones should get android 7 as their gpu's have vulkan support, bt its still upto eoms, weather to update or not, even vulkan api supported phones may still be betrayed

Google is the only one to blame here

venom007 said:
most phones should get android 7 as their gpus have vulkan support, bt its still upto eoms, weather to update or not, even vulkan api supported phones may still be betrayed
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We can't do anything for betrayal by OEM.. But in this case, OEM do think to provide updates. Due to google restriction, they were unable to.

vsriram92 said:
We can't do anything for betrayal by OEM.. But in this case, OEM do think to provide updates. Due to google restriction, they were unable to.
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They're helpless

PalakMi said:
They're helpless
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Only Google can reconsider its policies if people makes the Google to know that we are heavily dissatisfied on this.

vsriram92 said:
Only Google can reconsider its policies if people makes the Google to know that we are heavily dissatisfied on this.
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It's seems that google won't listen (trying to sell the pixel no matter what)

PalakMi said:
It's seems that google won't listen (trying to sell the pixel no matter what)
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Honor 7 , Honor 6, Honor 6 plus are affected in Honor line by this decision

vsriram92 said:
Honor 7 , Honor 6, Honor 6 plus are affected in Honor line by this decision
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Those are great phones, unfortunately they won't taste nougat

Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
Sent from my H60-L04 using XDA Labs

MaRtYy01 said:
Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
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As of now, Huawei has not released most of the sources. So I doubt that this will happen.

MaRtYy01 said:
Cant huawei just release updated drivers and source so devs would be able to build 7.0 themselves?It seems more realistic than a whole new official update.
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It didn't even release the basics to building custom ROMs. I doubt they'll do ot now

They already distributed source code some time ago. But no Vulkan support, no Nougat update.

Verdict about MiA2 Lite.

Hello! I have been using A2 Lite for about six months now. I liked Mi phones. But I think A2 Lite is not up to mark as per the price charged. Especially, Android One experience. It lacks lots of features as compared to other MI phones in this range running on MIUI.
What are your thoughts on this?

Mohib86 said:
Hello! I have been using A2 Lite for about six months now. I liked Mi phones. But I think A2 Lite is not up to mark as per the price charged. Especially, Android One experience. It lacks lots of features as compared to other MI phones in this range running on MIUI.
What are your thoughts on this?
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That's the point of this phone. Stock android with no features. That's why you do your research before buying something. You could've bought Redmi 6 Pro which is basically the same device with MIUI rom.

Mohib86 said:
Hello! I have been using A2 Lite for about six months now. I liked Mi phones. But I think A2 Lite is not up to mark as per the price charged. Especially, Android One experience. It lacks lots of features as compared to other MI phones in this range running on MIUI.
What are your thoughts on this?
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What features do you really need? I had redmi 4x before and miui sucks, I dont remember any feature which would be missing...

marstonpear said:
That's the point of this phone. Stock android with no features. That's why you do your research before buying something. You could've bought Redmi 6 Pro which is basically the same device with MIUI rom.
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I did my research before buying the phone. The hardware specs are great of this phone, I'm talking about software features.

wenna.speedy said:
What features do you really need? I had redmi 4x before and miui sucks, I dont remember any feature which would be missing...
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Some very basic features, like scheduling a SMS, adding speed dial number, double tap to wake etc. Its camera's hardware is good, but it's software is not.

Mohib86 said:
Some very basic features, like scheduling a SMS, adding speed dial number, double tap to wake etc. Its camera's hardware is good, but it's software is not.
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So, why dont you try custom rom? Btw, sms scheduling works with non-native app. Dt2w - Iam using fingerprint unlocking, the fastest. And I dont think miui has this feature.

Mohib86 said:
I did my research before buying the phone. The hardware specs are great of this phone, I'm talking about software features.
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Exactly what I said. You should've bought the Redmi 6 Pro then. Which means you didn't do your research.

marstonpear said:
Exactly what I said. You should've bought the Redmi 6 Pro then. Which means you didn't do your research.
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I wanted app drawer, that's why I didn't go for Redmi 6 Pro.

wenna.speedy said:
So, why dont you try custom rom? Btw, sms scheduling works with non-native app. Dt2w - Iam using fingerprint unlocking, the fastest. And I dont think miui has this feature.
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Redmi 5A and Note 4, both have Dt2w, and they both run MIUI.

I bought this phone specifically because it didn't have MIUI on it.
Stock Android, unlockable bootloader. It's the first phone I've had that gets security updates too.
I've had it for a few months now and I still love it.

MIUI suck, give so many features that u might never use.
Those features consume CPU and battery, while stock Android has lesser feature but any feature you want you can just get them from PlayStore.
My last Xiaomi phone (Mi 4i), became super laggy until cannot unlock the screen.
Turn out it was MIUI fault because it became normal again after I flashed it with custom ROM.

From my point of view it's the perfect Android terminal.
I only miss one feature from MIUI : Scheduled turn on and off :crying:

sinthemau said:
From my point of view it's the perfect Android terminal.
I only miss one feature from MIUI : Scheduled turn on and off :crying:
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Try flight mode, almost zero consumption. -+1%/night

This phone absolutely lives up to its price point of the $159 I purchased two of them at. Great screen, great battery life, decent processor that can handle mostly everything except high end gaming, metal body, 2 of 3 American LTE bands for T-Mobile, FM radio, IR blaster, security updates monthly with Android One. MIUI is a dumpster fire and if you wanted MIUI you should've bought a Redmi.
It's a great phone.

I'm still wondering why so many people who prefer MIUI over stock android bought the A2 Lite instead of the Redmi 6 Pro which is even cheaper. Personally, I wouldn't even touch a MIUI phone with a pair of pliers.

wenna.speedy said:
Try flight mode, almost zero consumption. -+1%/night
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Yes I know but love to turn off during the night. Anyway, doesn't matter so much. Thanks

I am one of the users who has the problem of slow wifi in 2.4ghz when the bt or gps is active. The problem arises from the month of December following the update to android P. From December to today Xiaomi has not produced any patch to solve this serious problem. For me this is a serious bug and leads me to say that it was not a good buy.

Durotan said:
I am one of the users who has the problem of slow wifi in 2.4ghz when the bt or gps is active. The problem arises from the month of December following the update to android P. From December to today Xiaomi has not produced any patch to solve this serious problem. For me this is a serious bug and leads me to say that it was not a good buy.
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I flashed a custom rom on mine and have no such problem, actually no complains about the device. It's just hardware, with a proper OS on it (stock is never that) it works really good.

I bought this smartphone right after it was available version 4/64. I can tell is the best smartphone i never had, The best quality/price ratio, Battery last 9 hours sot, now you can install many custom rom, gcam makes photos great.... its fast and the display is great. Im totally satisfaited with this device. If you miss Miui than its you that bought the wrong models phone

celrau said:
I flashed a custom rom on mine and have no such problem, actually no complains about the device. It's just hardware, with a proper OS on it (stock is never that) it works really good.
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Which rom did you use? Does it support gcam?

Android 10 Go for my Tab 2 digital picture frame?

Is Android 10 Go possible? Or maximum 7.1.2?
I don't mind slowness until it is unusable. Galaxy S2 did it even without Android Go, why Tab 2 can't?
Also how to make custom rom myself?
Update:Installed Lineage 14.1, it is still fast(er than stock rom)

Hi i also waiting

Yeah. Even our ancestor Galaxy Tab 2011 Wifi recieved Android Oreo.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ment/dev-kernel-3-18-galaxy-tab-10-1-t3688948
Why Tab 2 no Oreo/Pie/Q?

jjgvv said:
Yeah. Even our ancestor Galaxy Tab 2011 Wifi recieved Android Oreo.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ment/dev-kernel-3-18-galaxy-tab-10-1-t3688948
Why Tab 2 no Oreo/Pie/Q?
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ooof didnt expect that
but thiss device is ages old and its nice of devs to keep it updating to latest security patches
making a rom is quite hard i guess (tried making one but didnt understand stuff) hopefully if devs want they can make one but i dont think it will happen nougat is still buggy for us

Me too
Mithil17 said:
ooof didnt expect that
but thiss device is ages old and its nice of devs to keep it updating to latest security patches
making a rom is quite hard i guess (tried making one but didnt understand stuff) hopefully if devs want they can make one but i dont think it will happen nougat is still buggy for us
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yeah, it's sad that the predecessor got oreo and GT2 haven't. Oreo go edition would have been the best rom for this tablet and any aging tablet for that matter as it is modern and is easy on hardware with 1GB RAM and underperforming processors.

Alotheone said:
yeah, it's sad that the predecessor got oreo and GT2 haven't. Oreo go edition would have been the best rom for this tablet and any aging tablet for that matter as it is modern and is easy on hardware with 1GB RAM and underperforming processors.
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Exactly the Go versions ars made for Android with less ram so it would go smoothly but idk the devs don't wanna do it and I can't find any good tutorial to begin with:crying:

Someone may know Oreo download link.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ageos-14-1-t3661609/post76959946#post76959946

Actually it is the fault of the PowerVR Graphics Chip. We will not get Oreo before i9000 get it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s-i9000/general/android-oreo-8-0-lineage-15-0-dev-t3697809

Question POCO X5 5G

Maybe i should

I want one too, just seems like no one has been interested in developing after the Poco x3 pro was dropped, being to do with the SoCs being used or something. I don't want to be forced to use garbage miui :'( or whatever the Poco reskin is called.

LaikaTheBigRedDoggo said:
I want one too, just seems like no one has been interested in developing after the Poco x3 pro was dropped, being to do with the SoCs being used or something. I don't want to be forced to use garbage miui :'( or whatever the Poco reskin is called.
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so there will be no custom roms for x5?

Would help if Xda opened a sub forum for the non pro model.

Yeah. I know this device just launched 5 weeks ago, but if I'd suspected the X5 5G would get so little love here at XDA, I might've gotten the X4 Pro instead...
I'm actually looking into compiling my own TWRP recovery for it, and an AOSP ROM when I've learned enough about custom ROM development.

Is there any way to request XDA consider opening a forum for a particular phone?

Spaceboy60 said:
Is there any way to request XDA consider opening a forum for a particular phone?
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Well I guess you could PM one of the admins/mods, but final decision would be up to their goodwill (or lack thereof), evidently.
It would make a lot of sense to create a dedicated forum though, as the X5 is powered by the Snapdragon695 and not a 7xx series as the X5 Pro is, which *probably* means that ROMs for the latter wouldn't be flashable on the former -not without incurring risks anyway...

Snakeforhire said:
Well I guess you could PM one of the admins/mods, but final decision would be up to their goodwill (or lack thereof), evidently.
It would make a lot of sense to create a dedicated forum though, as the X5 is powered by the Snapdragon695 and not a 7xx series as the X5 Pro is, which *probably* means that ROMs for the latter wouldn't be flashable on the former -not without incurring risks anyway...
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Can't the Poco X4 Pro and Poco X5 5G use the same ROMs as both have same CPU, GPU, chipset, architecture, flops etc?

chrome99 said:
Can't the Poco X4 Pro and Poco X5 5G use the same ROMs as both have same CPU, GPU, chipset, architecture, flops etc?
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There's usually a firmware, boot and vendor img difference which does make it incompatible, in most cases, and would need some tweaking to make it work right. But you're welcome to give it a test run, learn from experience. There are times with OEMs are lazy and it does actually work.

EricEsq said:
There's usually a firmware, boot and vendor img difference which does make it incompatible, in most cases, and would need some tweaking to make it work right. But you're welcome to give it a test run, learn from experience. There are times with OEMs are lazy and it does actually work.
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even for custom ROMs? Incase the X5 does't gain popularity (which seems to be the way it's going), I was wondering if we could use custom ROMs for X4 pro in the future.

chrome99 said:
even for custom ROMs? Incase the X5 does't gain popularity (which seems to be the way it's going), I was wondering if we could use custom ROMs for X4 pro in the future.
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Yep. It's uncommon to be able to use a different device's ROM even when the specs are similar. Unless you're using a gsi. It takes a while before custom roms start appearing after a phones release. Debloat and use as is would be my recommendation till then, if you already bought the phone. The Pro version is also likely to be more popular, among the enthusiast community, from what I can see.
So there's likely to be some trickle down effect of roms from the Pro versions to the non-pro

EricEsq said:
Yep. It's uncommon to be able to use a different device's ROM even when the specs are similar. Unless you're using a gsi. It takes a while before custom roms start appearing after a phones release. Debloat and use as is would be my recommendation till then, if you already bought the phone. The Pro version is also likely to be more popular, among the enthusiast community, from what I can see.
So there's likely to be some trickle down effect of roms from the Pro versions to the non-pro
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Which is ironic, because the X5p does not have any kind of possibility of storage expansion by SDcard (while the vanilla X5 does provide a shared SIM/SD slot), making even the 256Gb version utterly useless for my use cases...

Snakeforhire said:
Which is ironic, because the X5p does not have any kind of storage expansion by SDcard possibility (while the vanilla X5 does provide a sgaredl SIM/SD slot), making even the 256Gb version utterly useless for my use cases...
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To be fair, it's been a while since I've seen anything that has the 7 series chipsets to have a hybrid or dedicated SD slot. Just how the market playing field is, once you enter the mid-high range. Not great for the customer but that's capitalism for ya.

The Poco X5 5G may not be as popular as the Pro, but it's actually a very smooth phone if you don't play demanding games. Just received Android 13 update last night. My biggest gripe is the MIUI, which I don't like. After installing Nova7, the user interface is a lot more familiar and better.

priority1 said:
The Poco X5 5G may not be as popular as the Pro, but it's actually a very smooth phone if you don't play demanding games. Just received Android 13 update last night. My biggest gripe is the MIUI, which I don't like. After installing Nova7, the user interface is a lot more familiar and better.
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For daily use, it is quite smooth, the camera performance is trash though. GCam fixes most of it but the videos are still grainy. The X5 might be catching on now as it has received a big discount on an e-commerce platform recently. Nova or Lawnchair makes the experience pleasing but you miss out the gesture navigation which is a bummer.

Hello!
Is it possible to turn off the images of the camera settings in the Portrait mode of the Poco X5 5G/Poco X5 Pro 5G?
If possible, then it would be possible to shoot video in video bokeh mode.

My phone turned itself off today. Has anyone had this issue before?

priority1 said:
The Poco X5 5G may not be as popular as the Pro, but it's actually a very smooth phone if you don't play demanding games. Just received Android 13 update last night. My biggest gripe is the MIUI, which I don't like. After installing Nova7, the user interface is a lot more familiar and better.
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Seconded !
I've used the Microsoft Launcher for a long while before I bought the X5 5G a week after its global launchdate, but in the long run on MIUI 13 it turned out to be just too goddamn much of a battery hog...
So upon reading a comment from another member here that he was very satisfied with Nova I decided to give it a try, and felt so at ease with it that barely 20mins passed before I bought the Premium version. xD
But I do sorely miss the MS launcher's leftmost pane tho (the one where you can take quick notes and display your Outlook calendar, which is what I used it most for). :/

priority1 said:
My phone turned itself off today. Has anyone had this issue before?
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Yup. I traced it down to a dirty fingerprint sensor : some oil or grease traces would make it wrongly detect a long press or multiple short presses and trigger a shutdown.
A good, energetic cleaning with a rubbing alcohol-imbibed tissue then a thorough drying fixed it right up!

Any new news on custom roms? I want to get the phone on sale but I dread using MIUI