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I have had the Belkin case (too bulky, no cut out for charging) and the red on from best buy (okay but I'm a grown man I can be caught with a bright red ass case).
The Acase is slim and light. It doesn't add any bulk plus charging slot is open. Damn there perfect. Reg $80 but on sale for $20.
i have this case. the second image on amazon does not really work as advertised.
the battery charger slot is great and there is also a cut out for the camera as well.
very good case and very professional looking.
Not sure what you mean. I type 2 paraghps like that today.
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Anyone know where to buy this case in Europe?
this appears to be almost exactly the same case as the Vipertek case that was previously available on Amazon (no longer available). It is a pretty decent case, especially for the money. Too bad you can't get the Vipertek anymore, the logo is "cooler" than the Acase logo.
nkrick said:
this appears to be almost exactly the same case as the Vipertek case that was previously available on Amazon (no longer available). It is a pretty decent case, especially for the money. Too bad you can't get the Vipertek anymore, the logo is "cooler" than the Acase logo.
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It is also soldy mobilefun.co.uk asNoreye or something.
I ordered one, which sets you back 80 euro... ouch!!
manpete said:
It is also soldy mobilefun.co.uk asNoreye or something.
I ordered one, which sets you back 80 euro... ouch!!
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Meanwhile I received the Noreve case. It's a pretty good case with only one real problem... The tab not only clicks into the case at the top, but also at the bottom. So I am wrestling with the thing every time when I want to use it as a stand or when I want to put mthe Tab in the cradle.
Otoh this case has an opening for the power plug ad the tab can be used in the case while being charged.
I think it looks really nice in white, the kickstand could be useful. But its kinda expensive :/ Hope they get finished with it soon!
What do you think?
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Looks awesome and I've already present ordered one from a website. They are pricey but well made. Plus they make the best holsters. Unfortunately i wasn't able to order the holster for it from the site i purchased from, but will the day they come out. Out of all of them, the red looks nicest to me with that anodized look it has, but being military I cant wear a phone in uniform that isn't black or grey.
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The surface case with/without the holster is now shipping according to their site.
Hopefully it shouldn't be too long for the active case.
Riddlah said:
The surface case with/without the holster is now shipping according to their site.
Hopefully it shouldn't be too long for the active case.
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Yes, jay above you had it already and he hates it. It's kinda of a touchy subject with him lol. But I never bought a surface case for my devices because I hated the way they have to put on. Kinda like taking off sweats before a shower after working out lol.
But I have active cases for my Sensation, which is my wife's phone now, my Nexus 7 and before the N7 I had one for my Kindle Fire. They are all well made. Even though there's a chemical smell like it was fresh off the mold lol, it dissipates within a weeks time.
I for one can't wait for the Active combo. I love the holsters as well. Right now I am using a Gnex Seidio Surface holster with my diztronic ultra thin shell and it works, but doesn't seat to my satisfaction.
Shipping now
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kpjimmy said:
Yes, jay above you had it already and he hates it. It's kinda of a touchy subject with him lol. But I never bought a surface case for my devices because I hated the way they have to put on. Kinda like taking off sweats before a shower after working out lol.
But I have active cases for my Sensation, which is my wife's phone now, my Nexus 7 and before the N7 I had one for my Kindle Fire. They are all well made. Even though there's a chemical smell like it was fresh off the mold lol, it dissipates within a weeks time.
I for one can't wait for the Active combo. I love the holsters as well. Right now I am using a Gnex Seidio Surface holster with my diztronic ultra thin shell and it works, but doesn't seat to my satisfaction.
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FYI, The surface holster for the Nexus 4 works with pretty much any TPU case. I tried it with the I-Blazon and the Diztronic, and both work great. If you nee to go "thin" but want to use a holster, it does work.
Woohoo, finally
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Yay they are shipping but not the white one! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Well I'm definitely not buying any case that doesn't allow for QI wireless charging!
Jayrod1980 said:
FYI, The surface holster for the Nexus 4 works with pretty much any TPU case. I tried it with the I-Blazon and the Diztronic, and both work great. If you nee to go "thin" but want to use a holster, it does work.
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Thanks, I did get the Surface holster only for the N4 and currently using it with the XDA cruzerlite case. Looks great! I can take a pic if anyone would like.
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Well I'm definitely not buying any case that doesn't allow for QI wireless charging!
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Sadly yes, the Active does not allow it for wireless charging. But I intend to use the Active case on travel. Being it airplane or train, I will be using the kickstand on those trips. And when I am traveling, I am not bringing any of my wireless chargers, so wireless charging would be a moot point.
For day to day use, I use the Cruzerlite XDA case at this point with the Surface holster, so I am good at this point.
A lot of people here might not like to hear me say it but the active can mess up your phone. Not the actives fault... I'd say its the crappy chrome bezels fault. Its pretty easy to get particles under the silicone on this case. It has great impact protection but I did get some scuffs on the bezel above the speaker after using it a week straight. Also somehow the magnet from the kickstand or something with the case pug some strange hazing that won't go away on my rear wet apply screen protector. Something to watch out for. The marks are square in shape etc. I'm hoping it will go back to normal after some time but it doesn't I can just buy a new screen protector for the back. Back to tpu with the surface holster for now.
Sent from my often RMA'd Nexus 4, So that I can use the one I'm using now when I get the 6th and hopefully final one.
http://youtu.be/44rKaeft23w
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I have to clarify my last point. The marks on the screen protector go away after a few hours out of the case.
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Anyone have experience with a Ballistic Shell Gel case on a previous phone? I know it isn't available for the N4 yet but I'm torn on getting that or the Seidio Active. I don't care much for the kickstand so that's not a huge deal for me. I'm also guessing the Ballistic case won't allow wireless charging either since it looks like it has similar construction/thickness to the Seidio Active.
I think it's the metal kickstand that prevents the charging, not the extra thickness.
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Anyone have experience with a Ballistic Shell Gel case on a previous phone? I know it isn't available for the N4 yet but I'm torn on getting that or the Seidio Active. I don't care much for the kickstand so that's not a huge deal for me. I'm also guessing the Ballistic case won't allow wireless charging either since it looks like it has similar construction/thickness to the Seidio Active.
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Comparing my ballistic galaxy nexus to the nexus 4 with active, the ballistic is much thicker! The silicone on the ballistic is thicker and so is the hard plastic. You need the convert holster if you want to use a holster with the ballistic. I have no doubt it will be an awesome case but it will not let you wireless charge.
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bump to the top and a heads up, amazon dropped the price of the seidio active case with holster to $44.92
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-BD2-HK...qid=1360630749&sr=8-5&keywords=nexus+4+active
good deal glad i waited to buy from amazon. I'll have mine wednesday
White cases are now shipping for anyone who was looking to get one (there were a lot of you)
eliteconcept said:
bump to the top and a heads up, amazon dropped the price of the seidio active case with holster to $44.92
http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-BD2-HK...qid=1360630749&sr=8-5&keywords=nexus+4+active
good deal glad i waited to buy from amazon. I'll have mine wednesday
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I jz ordered one too .. 37.95 if anyone interested
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seidio-Acti...594857?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4850951ce9
I usually get the Seidio Active Combo for my device but paying $50 for it is tough. Love the case but does anyone know other combos (holster/case) of high quality for less money? If so then I would like to check them out. Thanks.
CCallahan said:
I usually get the Seidio Active Combo for my device but paying $50 for it is tough. Love the case but does anyone know other combos (holster/case) of high quality for less money? If so then I would like to check them out. Thanks.
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Otterbox has a series with a holster. I would also recommend Trident if you prefer a belt clip. There might be more.
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Saturny said:
Otterbox has a series with a holster. I would also recommend Trident if you prefer a belt clip. There might be more.
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Defender looks to be about the same price. I broke down and ordered the Seidio. Not a fan of Otterbox design and want to get protection on the device instead of waiting.
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CCallahan said:
Defender looks to be about the same price. I broke down and ordered the Seidio. Not a fan of Otterbox design and want to get protection on the device instead of waiting.
Sent from my tricked out S4.
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Good choice. There is a reason they cost more. I had the same (never replaced) active combo on my last phone for 2 years. I work construction, my phone/case takes a beating.
My dad has gone through at least 3 different Otterboxs in the last 18 months on his iPhone. The rubber stretches out and the plastic shell gets deformed so bad that they no longer stay on the phone. They are junk, IMO. We work together under the same conditions.
I actually just got my new active combo in the mail today. It fits perfectly. Looks to be another solid case that will last until I get my next phone in two years. We'll see if the kickstand can take the abuse of construction work for two years. I doubt it, not a deal breaker though. Shouldn't be a problem for anyone with a normal type job though. ..
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http://www.otterbox.com/Galaxy-Note-4-Defender-Series-Case/sam2-galaxy-note-4-set,default,pd.html
Isn't this case too pricey?!
This is the only case you will ever need, guaranteed.
It is a little high. Your paying for top of the line. Port covers, holsters, lots of unique color choices and a screen protector. The case looks well made. For me note 2 I spent over 50 for my case and holster. The one I brought was good but this one looks better. I'd consider it if it had a kick stand.
The price should come down in a few months but I don't think it's really overpriced.
Or just grab a UAG case and get similar protection for half the price (and better looks).
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It is a little high. Your paying for top of the line. Port covers, holsters, lots of unique color choices and a screen protector. The case looks well made. For me note 2 I spent over 50 for my case and holster. The one I brought was good but this one looks better. I'd consider it if it had a kick stand.
The price should come down in a few months but I don't think it's really overpriced.
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It does have a kickstand... The Belt clip is a kickstand. If you pull it back the whole way it will snap into the kickstand position.
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http://www.otterbox.com/Galaxy-Note-4-Defender-Series-Case/sam2-galaxy-note-4-set,default,pd.html
Isn't this case too pricey?
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Only you can decide that! Spend your money however you want.
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Or just grab a UAG case and get similar protection for half the price (and better looks).
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Do the have belt clips?
It's certainly pricier than other models but one thing they appear to have accounted for is the fingerprint scanner. It looks like the case is notched right below it. Fingerprint scan worked fine on my Note 4 until I threw the Spigen Tough Armor case on. Now I can't get a consistent swipe.
arjun90 said:
http://www.otterbox.com/Galaxy-Note-4-Defender-Series-Case/sam2-galaxy-note-4-set,default,pd.html
Isn't this case too pricey?!
This is the only case you will ever need, guaranteed.
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I used to have this case for the Galaxy S3. It was really sturdy but one thing I didn't like is how the TPU/rubber material eventually would not stick/pulled away from the phone and I had to keep pushing in that rubber/TPU material all the time. It was pretty pricey to have to deal with that type of problem.
When I got my Note 3, I tried a few cases and eventually stuck with the Urban Armor Gear. I kept it because it was sturdy, felt good in the hand, saw different drop tests on Youtube, and was Military drop-test certified. I kept that case and also the case with the Zero Lemon extended battery since it was sturdy, covered the ports, and looks to be able to take drops as well.
The Rubber/TPU material is something I never favored either, haha
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I used to have this case for the Galaxy S3. It was really sturdy but one thing I didn't like is how the TPU/rubber material eventually would not stick/pulled away from the phone and I had to keep pushing in that rubber/TPU material all the time. It was pretty pricey to have to deal with that type of problem.
When I got my Note 3, I tried a few cases and eventually stuck with the Urban Armor Gear. I kept it because it was sturdy, felt good in the hand, saw different drop tests on Youtube, and was Military drop-test certified. I kept that case and also the case with the Zero Lemon extended battery since it was sturdy, covered the ports, and looks to be able to take drops as well.
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The Rubber/TPU material is something I never favored either, haha
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If Otterbox fixed that issue, it would be the perfect case(although still pricey).
I would recommend the Urban Armor Gear if you haven't tried it before. The only bad thing is that it doesn't have covers for the ports, but it's still a great case. I had the white/Navigator case for the Note 3 and for the Note 4 I decided to order this one:
http://www.urbanarmorgear.com/products/galaxy-note-4-case-clear
At first, before I ordered the UAG, there weren't many options for sturdy cases that were available, so I went with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MP3OWVI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Also, here is a video of the same case(but for a different phone):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uv7kL-UcMM
Best Buy has the Otterbox Defender series for $59.
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Will a Note 4 fit in a Note 3 Defender case?
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Will a Note 4 fit in a Note 3 Defender case?
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Nope.
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schlepprock said:
Nope.
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yeah i just read about the slight size difference...my note 4 arrives Tuesday and i'm gonna try to slam it into my note 3 case anyways lol
Thanks, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/otterbo...01&skuId=9169135&st=note 4 otterbox&cp=1&lp=2
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Best Buy has the Otterbox Defender series for $59.
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Haha, I find the Note 4 just a tad bit taller than the Note 3. Not much has been changed between both devices other than the materials and hardware inside.
jutaejrtouch said:
yeah i just read about the slight size difference...my note 4 arrives Tuesday and i'm gonna try to slam it into my note 3 case anyways lol
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For all complaining about the TPU cover stretching out on an Otterbox, you know all you have to do is take a picture of it with your info and Otterbox sends you another outer case free of charge. On my S3, I had mine and my wife's outer case, holster etc... replaced multiple times even after a year. So for $59 you paying for lifetime of support and free replacement with minimum hoop jumping.
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At first, before I ordered the UAG, there weren't many options for sturdy cases that were available, so I went with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MP3OWVI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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How do you rank this case? Is the belt clip also a stand, like the Otterbox?
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How do you rank this case? Is the belt clip also a stand, like the Otterbox?
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That case does come with a holster but according to the seller does not have a kickstand unfortunately. It is the only holster case I've been able to find with headphone, mini USB & S Pen port covers. I'm waiting until the 22nd when it's available fulfilled by Amazon to see if anything else becomes available and if not I'll order it.
It is possible that case will stand up in the landscape mode when the belt clip is rotated to align with the holster clip on the side. My BodyGlove ToughSuit does that and it was not listed as a feature on Amazon when I bought it.
I've read Otterbox reviews in the past that state their cases become loose and I think their price is ridiculous.
If you can wait one of the holster/case Platinum Series Best Buy sells is made by Seidio and has a kickstand. It's the Seido convert combo. Best Buy sells it for $20 less than Seidio.
http://www.seidioonline.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-convert-case-holster-black-p/bd4-hkr4ssgt4-bk.htm
You can view it on Seidio's website for a different phone like the S5.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MP3OWVI?pc_redir=1413677796&robot_redir=1 another case similar to OB
I got a cheap TPU case till a good one with a holster gets in stock. I'm gonna try this one have it on order. A little mad cause it said it would be in stock 10/20 now they have pushed the date on me. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MJ...5_QL70&qid=1413735934&sr=8-13#ref=mp_s_a_1_13
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If you are like me and the thousands of people who dislike the new Zero Lemon rugged case then this is the one for you. I have no idea why they won't give us the option to buy slim tpu case just like their Note 2, S3, S4 cases so here's the next best thing if you don't want to carry around a brick in your pocket.
As of right now there is no TPU cases available, but for their Note 3 version they do sell tpu cases with their extended batteries.
It's available now! AND it has NFC Been waiting weeks for this
btort1 said:
If you are like me and the thousands of people who dislike the new Zero Lemon rugged case then this is the one for you. I have no idea why they won't give us the option to buy slim tpu case just like their Note 2, S3, S4 cases so here's the next best thing if you don't want to carry around a brick in your pocket.
As of right now there is no TPU cases available, but for their Note 3 version they do sell tpu cases with their extended batteries.
It's available now! AND it has NFC Been waiting weeks for this
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Not for me but would be interested to see a video review of this.
I was glad to learn of this one. I really liked my Note 2 with the Zero Lemon and just a TPU but what they do now it just too much.
I emailed Hyperion today, they say a TPU for the 8k should be out in approx. 2 weeks.
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I was glad to learn of this one. I really liked my Note 2 with the Zero Lemon and just a TPU but what they do now it just too much.
I emailed Hyperion today, they say a TPU for the 8k should be out in approx. 2 weeks.
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I already pre ordered a black TPU, amazon has the pre order page up but no picture yet.
I will be posting pictures once I get it. I was probably one of the first to order it since I have been checking everyday for it
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If you are like me and the thousands of people who dislike the new Zero Lemon rugged case then this is the one for you. I have no idea why they won't give us the option to buy slim tpu case just like their Note 2, S3, S4 cases so here's the next best thing if you don't want to carry around a brick in your pocket.
As of right now there is no TPU cases available, but for their Note 3 version they do sell tpu cases with their extended batteries.
It's available now! AND it has NFC Been waiting weeks for this
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I have this for my S3. The downside is the back cover is not very good quality, so it is already broken and I had to put tape on it, but well... I have with it most than 2 years now.
The new case are not the same as the older ones.
The honeycomb tpu are like the nite 3's
I just ordered this 8000 mAh baby. Do you think they will offer something other than honeycomb for the case?? I hate honeycomb. I was hoping to get something with a kickstand from somewhere. Anybody run into anything that will fit this?? I'm not finding anything and I really need drop protection on this beast.
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I just ordered this 8000 mAh baby. Do you think they will offer something other than honeycomb for the case?? I hate honeycomb. I was hoping to get something with a kickstand from somewhere. Anybody run into anything that will fit this?? I'm not finding anything and I really need drop protection on this beast.
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I know seidio made an extended battery with a case and a kickstand for the Note 3, but the problem is that it could be another month or two for it to release.
Only problem I have with this extended battery is, it's extremely slippery. Still waiting for Hyperion to ship my TPU
I'm sure I can get a belt loop/slide on leather pouch for general protection, but taking it out to talk, text, lend to someone will end up being dropped from time to time.... Like my old S3.
It's just frustrating.
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I know seidio made an extended battery with a case and a kickstand for the Note 3, but the problem is that it could be another month or two for it to release.
Only problem I have with this extended battery is, it's extremely slippery. Still waiting for Hyperion to ship my TPU
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Hi. I have a couple of questions. How thick is the phone with the battery? Does the back feel like hard plastic or vinyl? Do you have any more pics?
swanzilla said:
Hi. I have a couple of questions. How thick is the phone with the battery? Does the back feel like hard plastic or vinyl? Do you have any more pics?
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The phone is 2 times or 2.3 times thicker than the original. The back is slippery and hard plastic, I would definitely buy the TPU honeycomb because it's too slippery for me (I feel like the S4 stock back even has more grip than this).
I pre ordered the honeycomb tpu case on Dec 11th and they are finally shipping it out today or tomorrow
I will post more pictures once I receive the TPU honeycomb, I'm sure that's what most people would want to see because the back plate is very slippery, with the added weight of the extended battery..I'm sure you would want the protection :good:
I love this battery so far but I can't fully test it because I am still on my 3rd or 4th cycle and I am getting a replacement phone in a few days. Testing would have to wait
btort1 said:
The phone is 2 times or 2.3 times thicker than the original. The back is slippery and hard plastic, I would definitely buy the TPU honeycomb because it's too slippery for me (I feel like the S4 stock back even has more grip than this).
I pre ordered the honeycomb tpu case on Dec 11th and they are finally shipping it out today or tomorrow
I will post more pictures once I receive the TPU honeycomb, I'm sure that's what most people would want to see because the back plate is very slippery, with the added weight of the extended battery..I'm sure you would want the protection :good:
I love this battery so far but I can't fully test it because I am still on my 3rd or 4th cycle and I am getting a replacement phone in a few days. Testing would have to wait
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Thanks for the reply. A bit disappointing to hear that it is slippery. I would like a battery from seidio as the way the battery cover is cut allows for a bumper to be used as well. I loved that combo for my S3. Unfortunately they told me they have no current plans on making a battery for the note 4.
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Thanks for the reply. A bit disappointing to hear that it is slippery. I would like a battery from seidio as the way the battery cover is cut allows for a bumper to be used as well. I loved that combo for my S3. Unfortunately they told me they have no current plans on making a battery for the note 4.
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What!? Seidio is not making a note 4 battery?? That would be stupid of them...
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Thanks for the reply. A bit disappointing to hear that it is slippery. I would like a battery from seidio as the way the battery cover is cut allows for a bumper to be used as well. I loved that combo for my S3. Unfortunately they told me they have no current plans on making a battery for the note 4.
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Sadly the only way to get better grip on it is either their TPU case or maybe slickwraps but not too sure if they would go well together.
Compare it to when you hold a iphone 6 or a htc one m8
I also emailed Anker and Sedio, they currently do not have plans at the moment for extended batteries
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What!? Seidio is not making a note 4 battery?? That would be stupid of them...
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That's the reply I got from doing a live chat. I wonder if some of these "premium" companies are bowing out because they can't compete with some of the cheaper price points. Zerolemon and Hyperions batteries are quite a bit less. Also of note, Draco Design has usually been quick to get their bumpers out first, but there is no sign of a Note 4 bumper. I'm waiting on a response from them. For the Note 3, there were several companies that put out $15 bumpers that looked just as nice as Dracos. I'm gonna hold off on an extended battery for a month or so to see if something comes up.
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That's the reply I got from doing a live chat. I wonder if some of these "premium" companies are bowing out because they can't compete with some of the cheaper price points. Zerolemon and Hyperions batteries are quite a bit less. Also of note, Draco Design has usually been quick to get their bumpers out first, but there is no sign of a Note 4 bumper. I'm waiting on a response from them. For the Note 3, there were several companies that put out $15 bumpers that looked just as nice as Dracos. I'm gonna hold off on an extended battery for a month or so to see if something comes up.
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Well let us know if you find it/something
I been bugging Hyperion for a pic of their tpu honeycomb case and sent me this. Apparently they are sold out at the moment from all the pre orders
That thing is hideous. I wish they would make something else. Now, that is just a bottom? And it covers the edges?
Imagine getting this battery and a case added on. WOW. It is thicker than a burger.
Whats wrong with changing regular battery in and out?
One isn't always near to an outlet throughout the day